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Took the words right out of mouth, Malky.

I know everything it thinking "Tibby's against The Purpose Driven Life? I not even the least be surprised!" But Rick Warren is all about athe same please-everyone/a church is a bunisiness kind of flith that is killing this great faith of ours! I hope God pops him in the jaw and says "What in heaven's name is your problem, boy?" when he gets to heaven! Or he could just ask me to do it for me.

My point was not that human life isn't important in that last post, my point was... nevermind (not again)

Socialize Healthcare is about the nubmers, not the people, and that is the problem with Socialize Healthcare: Healthcare should be about the people! Some of these American are always talking about how great Socialize Healthcare, but I'd love to see them try and get open heart in Canada or England.

That’s what we are trying to say, it is not that expensive to run something like you mention, and even if it is, and even if the place only saves one life a month, can we really put a price on that life?

Well done, Evangelist. He a false teacher, like the kind spoken of in the Bible.

God uses imperfect people, books, films, Bible tracts, and all kinds of other media every day to reach the lost.

You are right, BEP. You are totally right. But left Behind is about as Biblical as The DV Code!  

I suggest you read all the replyies to this post again, carefully.  

Some simple mathematical calculations show that 1500 calls per year is an average of 4 calls per day (24 hr period).  50 calls were actually suicide related.  Other sources I had read show that 20% of suicide related calls are clergy or people calling about someone other than themselves.  That means an average of 40 calls per year were received from people that were suicidal.  Do you think that in an area where 137,000 people live, that cost of keeping the centre open is a good use of money?  (wait before forming a counter attack)

Not all depressed people are suicidal but the effects are felt by co-workers, family and friends of the victims of depression.  I think it would be more compassionate and a better use of money to educate people about depression and suicide.  These are the kinds of decisions that government has to make.  While suicide hotlines can effective in preventing deaths and suffering, PEI might better use their limited resources.

Mathematical calculations, exactly, that is the problem.  The Post-Modernists LOVE to limit human limit to a number, a stat. We are much more then that, my friend. The calculations are correct, but your philosophy could use a little work. What does a human life cost, M? What is it worth to you? Can you give me a calculation for that?

I said "I disagree with the decision to only to run the hotlines during business hours since I would think that they would get the most calls at night."   What can't you understand about that opinion?

I understood that from the first post. What I don't understand is why you say you agree, then try to debate. Why are you making excuses for the Canadian Government?

The other person posting had the opinion that "socialist" governments, like the ones in Canada, are humanist and have no interest in compassion.  This is truly and completely false.  Canada's health system is compassion and accessible to all citizens.   In fact, abortion is not available on the island of PEI, Canada.

Well, that is socialism for you. The give a little help to people, but as a whole, they are only interested in the mathematical calculations in the end.

As an emergency services worker, you will encounter people who will refuse treatment when the ambulance arrives at the scene.  You will have to wait until they are unconscious to take them to the hospital.  

Not in America. That is called Kidnapping. If they are unconscious when we get there, the applied consent rule is in effect, and we can treat them. However, if the parents is conscious, and refuse kid, and are of sound mind, we can't do a thing. All we can do it try to talk them into going, explaining what they may have, and how it may hurt them, etc. People have a right to refuse care.

Depending on the laws, some doctors are allowed to commit someone against their will when they have threatened their own life or another persons.  There are doctor's available 24 hrs.  Most of the problem is that family and friends need to recognize the signs and symptoms of depression.  They also need to know what to do when someone talks about killing themselves.  

I'm not to such about the Psychological industries laws in America, but I think they can do this as well.

I find your replies extremely rude, and even amusing.  

Well, then, sorry for being rude, and your welcome for the amusement. I don't know why they where either, but ok...

"Canadian (Canada) is not yet socialist enough to have (a) brain scaner (scanner) implanted that tell the hosptial they need help"  

Why not use the artice as an opportunity to educate and express compassion about suicide and depression?

Ooohhhh, I see you found a few typo's. Good for you. Thanks for the correction. Would you like me to correct yours for you? You have a few errorsm as well. I have a coding disorder, what's your excuse?  I await your "replyies." Maybe you can write a whole "artice" next time about it.

Especially those who claim to talk to the dead, which the Bible says is a sin.

This brings up a very interesting topic. Some Christians do not believe in such things, say they are not real, however, if they are not real, why is it is sin? Thanks for bringing it up, Betty, I had forgotten about that. A very interesting thing to think about.

The Bible is clear, these things are real, but that does not make them good.

I have to interject with the saved thing. While I do not "hate" the word, as Sapph said he does, I do understand where he is coming from with this. Hear us out on this. I feel it doesn’t fully cover what is means to become a Christian. So many people get saved, thinking it is the end. Oh, no, as I’m sure you agree Tom, salvation is only the beginning, of a very, very long journey, one that will not doubt last into eternity. I think that is all Japemp is trying to say here. I think he is wrong to "hate" the term, but I understand what he means.

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Joh 14:26  But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.

A lot of languages use the male nouns as a generic term. I’m not sure if this is the case with this, I’m just saying the bible was not written in English. It isn’t a biblical semantics thing, anyways, it is just a perception I had from childhood. I remember it, too. My young brain was wondering off during service, as many childern's minds do, and I thought "If Jesus is the son, and God the Father is the Dad, then the Holy Spirit must be the mommy" and it just kinda stuck. Never said it was the bible truth, just the meandering thoughs of a 5 year old, and I never had a reason to thino therwise till now. I never really did an indepth study into the pronouns used to discribe the holy spirit. The Holy Spirits gender never seemed like that big of an issue to me.  

lol, no doubt.

Honestly, I hate to play the “denomination” card, but I think part of it has to do with anti-Catholicism. A lot of Pentecostals consider everything after the Death of Paul to be the corrupt church, and that includes most of the councles that declaired all the heresies and compiled he bible. What they don't get is that it isn't CATHOLIC Histoy, it is CHRISTIAN History, it is single history that we all share and the Body of Christ. I wish they could understand it.  

Of the Canadians in Canada attempts suicide, and get rushed by ambulance to an emergency hospital room, receive emergency treatment which will be followed up with in hospital care and out-patient care all FREE of charge, how many of them are discovered my the Hotline? Canadian is not yet socialist enough to have brain scaner implanted that tell the hospital they need help, M. Help needs to be informed of the pantient in need before they can get them, and most of the helps knowledge comes from the hotline, which is not off during the hours when it is most needed.


How many Depressed Canadians in Canada go to their doctor and receive counselling and medication, referrals to psychiatrists and other health professionals all FREE of charge? Most people in the state of mind where they wish to commit suicide do not seek help. Most of them need to have help forced upon them. Becides, I don't know of ANY Doctors offices open before 9 or after 5. So we still have the same problem.

I realize suicide hotlines are answered by trained volunteers, but what does this have to do with anything? You keep saying that like is means something? What is wrong with volunteers?

No one ever said the article tries to indicate that the Canadian government wishes people to succeed at killing themselves.

I'm just trying to look on the bright side of things. Ben Franklin was a Womanizer, after all. A lot of the founding fathers had major sins in their lives, too.  

Oh, it gets much worst, my friend. Check out this site, and be sickened!

[url]http://www.geocities.com/reuther_2000/spong.html /url]

Thats right, his very own fan site.

And just for the record, he is not a Catholic Bishop. I felt I should add that, seeing as that article fails to mention the church he belongs, too.  The CatholicChurch is fighting hard, but with Such a large, international organazation, it is had to controll all of it. Even Paul the rest of the Church Fathers had problems keeping all their Church in line, and they only spand Europe and some of the Middle East!