A little bite of original, then a smidgen of crispy, and a
DOUBLE HELPIN' OF EXTRA SPICY!......


Bryl Cream, a little dab'l do ya....

Evangelist- What are/where you’re sons rank and ? I noticed you never mentioned that. The first 13 years of my life laying with the children of Enlisted men in the Ghetto of Ft Hood is not going to change my mind. I’ve spend extensive time in the kind of poverty these people live in, just like you and Roger, and I know many of them DO use food stamps, and a Google search will show you what I mean. Articles, discussion boards, all you have to do is run a search and find the kind of poverty many lower enlisted men are in.

Life… ALL life... is VERY valuable to God, and is equally valuable to me. And in a prefect world, we would not have the triage life in this way, but guess what? We aren’t in a prefect world, and we have a limited amount of resources to save a VERY extinctive list of people, both born and unborn, both American and otherwise, who NEED those resources to survive. We HAVE to choose.

My son was a SFC, 101 Airborne, MPI/Ranger and spent 6 years in Germany (and a few other places (classified), 2 at Ft. Campbell, KY. He was there when the wall came down.

My son in law is a Sgt (just made it from Spc4), Ft. Hood, 1 Cav 2/7, just back from Iraq (got 2 Bronzes and an Army Commendation w/V   ). He's due out in 2 months and is looking for a job in law enforcement.

Didn't think it too necessary to mention it before.
 

Deaths since 2001:
In Afghanistan...............153
In Iraq..........................1,648
On US Highways.............152,655
In abortion clinics...........5,480,000

As I said before, the death of independently living human who support OTHER human lives are more important.

A unborn baby dies=one live that barely started to live

A solider dies=his life, and the life of his pregnant wife and kids are forever altered for the worse.

How can you even start to imply the death of an unborn is more important then the death of someone who risks their life to keep you safe, and feed his family on the low pay of enlisted men. Have you even been to area of a military base where the enlisted families live, Evangelist? It’s a ghetto! Most of them are on food stamps! Even with the cheep food they can get from the commissary and the tax free ideas from the PX, they are still on welfare, all to keep your freedom sacred. This flippant aptitude that the babies have done nothing other but mooch of the body of their mothers for their short lives are somehow more valuable them the lives of a Husband and father who gives his life for his country is ntohign short of offensive!
 

If I had the choice between a 1000 unborn or one Solider with a family, no contest, I would pick the solider every time!  

Have I ever been to a base? Yes, many, many times. As a matter of fact, I currently have a son in law, daughter, and 3 grandkids living on one.  My son spent 8 years in one.  None of them have lived on food stamps.

I did, though....when I spent almost 27 years in law enforcement, and raised three kids, and my take home pay was $295 a month.....so don't try to get haughty with such questions.

Flippant attitude? It seems to me you have one with your assumptions. No where did I, or anyone else, equate an unborn baby as being MORE valuable than a living one....you are the one making such judgments, which leads me to believe that your take on life is much the same as the judges who are currently issuing death warrants for some because their "quality of life" is not up to par.

Life.....ALL life....is valuable to God, and therefore SHOULD be equally valuable to us.

I find your comments to be offensive....not to me, but to God Almighty!

2. There is a WAR going on. Post-birth humans are dying, and personally, I think that take priority over the unborn. Yes, unborn are still important, and it is sad that they die, but people who are living without the help of another human body, and who, in fact, support OTHER humans with their paycheck (including the unborn), are dying overseas. That is a LITTLE more important. Can't you guys want till after we get this Iraq business settled to start throwing temper tantrums about abortion?
Just my 2 cents... and a little change left over for a coke  

Deaths since 2001:
In Afghanistan...............153
In Iraq..........................1,648
On US Highways.............152,655
In abortion clinics...........5,480,000

 

[to Himself]

"and what if some do not believe?  God is faithful to Himself"

Seeker:

As with some other Christadelphians I have talked with, you tend to make some very pedantic statements as if they themselves were gospel.

Your commentary about the Hebrews, and about the non-existence of trinitarian thought prior to Nicea leads me to believe that you have failed in your first duty to yourself, and to God...and that is to be a Berean, and check out what you hear, or what you read.

Following is just a tidbit of info for you to consider.

Behold O Israel, the LORD your God is one.
Hebrews understood from the very beginning that the word "one" as given in scripture was echad, which is a composite unity, as opposed to be a cardinal of singular value only.

Theophilus of Antioch about A. D. 180. He speaks of "the Trinity of God [the Father], His Word and His Wisdom  He is made a second in manner of existence-in position, not in nature "Ad. Autol.", II, 15

Tertullian A.D. 155-220 That which has come forth out of God is at once God and the Son of God, and the two are one. Apology

I believe that both Theophilus and Tertullian predated the council of Nicea by quite a few years.

You'll also notice that the "some scholars" are not named....but they happen to be the Jesus Seminar (you know, they guys that preach 'another' Jesus?).

Why do they keep harping on something that has been shown to be a patent fabrication of the Gnostics?

I'd like to add my kudos.

Since, on many other threads, references have been made to "feelings" and their subjectivity, I'd like to add this.

We are not saved by how we feel.
We are not saved by how anyone else feels.
We are not even saved by how Jesus feels.

We are saved on the basis of what Jesus did, prayed and asked for, and what God said He would do.

Period.  No feelings, no subjectivity.

I know in whom I have believed, and I trust that HE is able to deliver that which I have committed unto Him against that day.

Now THAT is security!!

Audax,

No, I don't have a position on these issues.  I thought I did at one time but now I'm doing more studying and asking more questions.

OK------for now let's just forget Jesus' parable.  If I'm saved and don't forgive my brother from my heart, where do you think I'll go when I die?  Some would say "heaven" because I'm saved and have been forgiven for sins, past, present and future.  Others would site various Scripture references showing that I wouldn't go to heaven-------that I could lose my salvation.  I can think of a verse where Jesus forgave and said, "go and sin NO MORE".  If it wasn't impossible for us to live a sinless life then I don't think Jesus would have said to go and sin no more.

Audax said:
The main point.  Forgive or you won't be forgiven.

cris replies:
Was He speaking to the "saved" also?  If so, how will a saved person go to heaven if they don't forgive their brother?  

We are COMMANDED to forgive!  Where do the saved go if they haven't forgiven.  Supposition:  I'm angry with a brother for sinning against me.  I die before I've forgiven him.  Where would I go in you opinion.  

Sorry for some of the redundancy.  Just trying to clarify.

Grace and peace
cris

Chris:
If saved, our arrival in heaven is assured. What we may not get when we do get there, are the "rewards" spoken of by Paul. We give account (to Jesus) at His judgment seat for all of the 'works' or acts committed by us in the flesh AFTER salvation.  Those works or acts that are of Him, by Him, and through Him are works of gold or silver, while other acts (including unforgiveness) are hay and stubble.  See 1 Cor 3:11-15 for more details.

Romans 7, and a study of the verbal tensing of 1 Jn's "sin not" & "if we do sin" will further explain the practical ramifications of the daily fight we have between spirit and flesh.

Fortunately for us, though, the Lord is patient, long-suffering, kind, and merciful.....and persistent!  So you can rest assured that He will keep hounding, badgering, reminding, convincing and convicting us of our lack of forgiveness until such time as we do forgive.....along with many other things.  

If it was up to me, they wouldn't speak anywhere

Wouldn't that be heavenly!!!

Not Like they ever have anything worth hearing, right?

Uh...yeah.....sure......um hmmmmmm!

In re your question..........


Have you ever tried to keep one silent?  


 


Now, without the tongue in cheek......

Paul was specifically addressing an specific problem, in a specific church, at a specific time, and it primarily related to unrestrained behavior during the church meetings.  Because of the context, and to whom the specific admonition is directed, it would be reasonable to assume that:
1. It was mostly women who were doing the talking, and
2. The men were not taking any position of leadership or restraint in the matter, resulting in:
3. A lack of edification and exhortation in accordance with what God wanted.

There are as many "opinions" on this subject as there are Christians...and each and every one of them can dig up "proof" texts to support their position.

I think we would all do well to examine the entirety of the NT, and especially Paul's writings, to arrive at a reasonable conclusion as to the role of women in ministry...both within and without the church meeting.

Here is a link to a study (about 5 pages) on women in ministry. It's a PDF, so it should download automatically. Read it at your leisure.

[of God]

Fantastic stuff my brother!!!

 There's another element to consider here. Notice that the Rapture Trump is not described as being blown by an angel. Every other Trumps in Revelation is blown by an angel.

 The Rapture Trump is the trump of God. Jesus sounds this Trump personally!

ATA!

Also consider this verse, which is usually overlooked.

Rev 1:10
I was in the Spirit on the Lord's day, and heard behind me a great voice, as of a trumpet,

Guess who's talkin'!!  

   You guys are killin' me - ROFL

But wait - time is just a metaphor and figurative. In fact, we are each just pigments of our own imagination.  

 hey! Cool picture of Darwin!

Sorry...that's not Darwin....it's Stephen Jay Gould just before he croaked.

Is 'eternity' bound by time constraints?  
What is ‘time’ to God?  

I'm pretty certain God is on Central Standard Time.  

Sorry to differ.....He's on Tulsa Time.....right along with Don Williams.