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31  Theology / Debate / Re:The Gospel was preached to them as well as us... on: September 12, 2005, 10:24:46 PM

So my question is this, the OT church was it not made up of children of the promise, that is to say, as you have stated; those who would come to FAITH, only; or, are you saying the OT church included all of the natural seed?

I ask this because, the law could never save anyone from the begining, neither could the blood of anumals, these could never make the doers of them perfect.

Would you agree?



God Bless




Yes, those who would come to FAITH or the called of God, like i said above. Without faith it is impossible to please God. Paul also says all Israel will be saved "Romans: 11" because of the Deliverer, so there is still some mystery here as well.


God Bless
32  Theology / Debate / Re:The Gospel was preached to them as well as us... on: September 12, 2005, 12:36:31 AM
AJ

Thanks for your response.

the church is spiritual Isarael?

Who make up the church and is Abraham and Moses members of the church, if not   why NOT??

Some christians teach they are not.



Yes: Abraham and Moses are part of the Old covenant church...church just means a congregation or called out ones. Abraham was likely father of the old testament church. Body of believers...we are all headed for the New Jerusalem because of Abrahams faith and the promise God gave to him.

Act 7:37  This is that Moses, which said unto the children of Israel, A prophet shall the Lord your God raise up unto you of your brethren, like unto me; him shall ye hear.
Act 7:38  This is he, that was in the church in the wilderness with the angel which spake to him in the mount Sina, and with our fathers: who received the lively oracles to give unto us:

Why do some saints separate the Old testament church from the new?  Because we need to read the word and get a better understanding of the covenant. Both old and new, there is a new testament church, And an Old testament church. Separated by a better covenant, but still all children of Abraham if we are of the faithful.

And yes.. Paul calls the church the Israel of God. But not all Israel are Israel, spiritually speaking...we must have faith.

Rom 9:6  Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
Rom 9:7  Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.

Rom 9:32  Wherefore? Because they sought it not by faith, but as it were by the works of the law. For they stumbled at that stumblingstone.

And the Israel of God...

Gal 6:15  For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision availeth any thing, nor uncircumcision, but a new creature.
Gal 6:16  And as many as walk according to this rule, peace be on them, and mercy, and upon the Israel of God.


God bless
33  Theology / Debate / Re:The Gospel was preached to them as well as us... on: September 11, 2005, 04:04:48 PM
1Co 10:1  Moreover, brethren, I would not that ye should be ignorant, how that all our fathers were under the cloud, and all passed through the sea;
1Co 10:2  And were all baptized unto Moses in the cloud and in the sea;
1Co 10:3  And did all eat the same spiritual meat;
1Co 10:4  And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that Rock was Christ.
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Yes: you can't have the church without Israel, spiritually the church is Israel...we are grafted in. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder. Notice also how they were all baptized in the cloud and in the sea: Spirit and water.

God Bless
34  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Suviviors of Katrina on: September 06, 2005, 02:43:44 AM
Praise God: brothers sisters

When we pray let us ask with faith, prayer without faith is also dead.

Jam 1:6  But let him ask in faith, nothing wavering. For he that wavereth is like a wave of the sea driven with the wind and tossed.
Jam 1:7  For let not that man think that he shall receive anything of the Lord.
Jam 1:8  A double minded man is unstable in all his ways.

It is easier to pray, than to believe...as saints we must believe in our prayers. Only God is more powerful than a faithful prayer of a righteous man. The word says our faith is in God, not men. Its the lord who moves on the hearts of others to do his will... both the believer, and the unbeliever.


God bless all
35  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Suviviors of Katrina on: September 01, 2005, 05:43:41 PM
Dear saints keep praying for these people...


NBC, MSNBC and news services
Updated: 4:58 p.m. ET Sept. 1, 2005

NEW ORLEANS - Fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flood-stricken New Orleans slipped toward anarchy Thursday.

“This is a desperate SOS,” the mayor said.

While a mass evacuation got under way at the city's Superdome, where thousands of restless people were waiting for help, there was desperation and mounting anger at a separate refuge, the city's convention center, where storm victims grew increasingly hungry and thirsty and pleaded for relief.


Officials said thousands more National Guardsmen were being sent to the city, and Congress planned a special session Thursday night to approve emergency aid. But across the city, residents complained that aid was not arriving and a local official blamed the Federal Emergency Management Agency.

“This is a national disgrace,” said Terry Ebbert, head of New Orleans’ emergency operations. “FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control,” Ebbert said. “We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims but we can’t bail out the city of New Orleans."

"We have got a mayor who has been pushing and asking but we’re not getting supplies,” he said. He said the evacuation was almost entirely a Louisiana operation. “This is not a FEMA operation. I haven’t seen a single FEMA guy.”

Mayor Ray Nagin, in issuing his dire plea in a statement to CNN, said: “Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don’t anticipate enough buses. Currently the convention center is unsanitary and unsafe and we are running out of supplies for 15,000 to 25,000 people.”

Dead bodies outside center
Outside the center, people complained that they were evacuated, taken to the convention hall by bus, dropped off and given nothing.

At least seven bodies were scattered outside, and hungry people broke through the steel doors to a food service entrance and began pushing out pallets of water and juice and whatever else they could find.



An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered with a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

“I don’t treat my dog like that,” Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. “I buried my dog.”

“You can do everything for other countries but you can’t do nothing for your own people," he said. "You can go overseas with the military but you can’t get them down here.”

The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

“We are out here like pure animals. We don’t have help,” said the Rev. Isaac Clark, 68.


People there, some holding crying babies or elderly barely able to stand up, shouted for help as TV news crews passed by.

A sea of pain

On the front steps of the convention center, one woman, screaming, led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm.

John Murray, 52, said: “It’s like they’re punishing us.”

The Superdome, where some 25,000 people were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, descended into chaos as well.

Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door — a seething sea of tense, unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where heavily armed National Guard troops stood.

At the front of the line, heavily armed policemen and guardsmen stood watch and handed out water as tense and exhausted crowds struggled onto buses. At the back end of the line, people jammed against police barricades in the rain. Luggage, bags of clothes, pillows, blankets were strewn in the puddles.

Many people had dogs and they cannot take them on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. “Snowball, snowball,” he cried. The policeman told a reporter he didn’t know what would happen to the dog.

Other parts of the city saw similar desperation. “We need help,” Polly Boudreaux, clerk of the St. Bernard Parish Council, told WAFB-TV in a phone interview in which she broke down crying.

“We're just been absolutely devastated,” she said, and many residents still need to be rescued.

Little outside aid has reached the parish, she added. “We are not seeing it.”

Doctors at two desperately crippled hospitals with 360 patients called The Associated Press pleading for rescue, saying they were nearly out of food and power and had been forced to move patients to higher floors to escape looters.

“We have been trying to call the mayor’s office, we have been trying to call the governor’s office. ... We have tried to use any inside pressure we can. We are turning to you. Please help us,” said Dr. Norman McSwain, chief of trauma surgery at Charity Hospital.

Mob fears, gunshots
While most stranded residents were orderly, police warned reporters to be careful given the desperation.

“We were told don't drink or eat in public as it could lead to a mob situation,” NBC's Michelle Hofland said. “We were told that by sundown to get out of here.”

Federal rescue workers were pulled back from some areas of the city where gunfire was heard or reported, a Department of Homeland Security official told NBC News.

“Hospitals are trying to evacuate,” said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan, spokesman at the city emergency operations center. “At every one of them, there are reports that as the helicopters come in people are shooting at them. There are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, “You better come get my family.”

Police Capt. Ernie Demmo said a National Guard military policeman was shot in the leg as the two scuffled for the MP’s rifle. The man was arrested.

“These are good people. These are just scared people,” Demmo said.


God bless
36  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Suviviors of Katrina on: August 31, 2005, 04:20:32 AM
Amen brother: I am praying and believeing that the lord will work all things together for good to the righteous, and cause the unbeliever to seek him as well.

In Jesus name Amen.  



37  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Pray for me please. on: August 09, 2005, 10:43:29 PM
I will be praying for you brother, even if your better...

God bless you brother
38  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:my health on: August 09, 2005, 09:47:42 PM
Going to pray for you brother...

God bless
39  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:state of being of myself and church on: August 03, 2005, 12:09:22 AM
I am so hungry for God, for His Holy Spirit.

They who hunger shall be filled...

Praying for you too brother
40  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Please help me... on: August 02, 2005, 03:36:45 PM
I will be praying for you as well Sister.

God bless you Rachel
41  Prayer / Answered Prayer / Re:Prayers answered on: August 02, 2005, 02:41:14 PM
Brothers and Sisters
I have been driving my truck (77), and car (68), for a long time now. I have prayed that, some how I could buy another car. Yesterday, I recieved a newer car, a 1999 Ford Escort. One of the members of my church knew mine were going down, slowly. He was going to trade it in, when he though of me. I recieved the car, with no payment! I asked him how much, he said, "The Lord directed me, to give it to you."

How awesome is the Lord! To know what we need, and to allow us to have what we need.

Praise the Lord in the Highest.
Bob

Praise the lord brother...something similar happened to me about a year ago, with a vehicle, lol: maybe i should post it. But i was'nt even praying for a better car...i quess God knew it was time to get me a better one Grin  God knows what you have need of before you ask. God bless you brother the lord takes care of his people.
42  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:200 Million Horsemen army on: July 24, 2005, 01:19:40 AM
Rev 9:20  And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands,

The bible calls these things plagues...does God need China or men to send plagues. I would say no: One of these plagues does'nt even kill the people, it torments them for five months. So it could be anything from horrific viruses, to real armys. We will have to wait and see.

God bless brother
43  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Failures a Miracle? on: July 23, 2005, 11:50:32 PM
Supernatural intervention of any kind is regarded by earthly standards as a 'miracle'. For christians walking in their rightfull place and authority with/in Christ it is pretty much a daily reality.

I like that answer. Smiley I call em signs and wonders: and yes, any sign or wonder from God is a miracle. As the word says, and the lord confermed the word with signs following.

God bless Brothers
44  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Daughter Out of Control on: July 23, 2005, 11:33:26 PM
Praying here for you all as well brother...

God bless you and your family.
45  Prayer / Prayer Requests / Re:Please pray for my husband on: July 23, 2005, 11:01:05 PM
Blue_Acoustic, I will be praying for both you and your husband.

God bless
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