Nothing you said is correct.  It was mearly ignorant babbling abotu stuff you don't even understand.

Why do so many people put more faith in an incomplete book than they put in God, who they claim people need to pay attention to.  

JESUS, MOTHER MARY'S SEED LINE/ BLOOD LINE YOU CAN FOLLOW JOESEPHS, BUT CAN YOU FIND INFO. ON MARYS

It's in Luke.

Luke wrote his Gospel in the perspective of Mary since they were very close.  She was a mother to him.  

Didache Chapter 7 "And concerning baptism, baptize this way: Having first said all these things, baptize into the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit, in living water. But if you have no living water, baptize into other water; and if you cannot do so in cold water, do so in warm. But if you have neither, pour out water three times upon the head into the name of Father and Son and Holy Spirit. But before the baptism let the baptizer fast, and the baptized, and whoever else can; but you shall order the baptized to fast one or two days before."

This is one of the Writings from the Early Church.  Dates back to the late first early second century.  It seems that the Church always thought that water baptism was needed.

Michael,
Just exegete Ephesians 2:8-10, "For by grace are you saved, through faith, and that not of yourselves it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast."

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But using that within the context of Iakovos (James) we know that we are saved through faith, but not through faith alone.  It is always with works.  

I belong to no denomination.  I am an Eastern Orthodox Christian.  

[Christos Anesti! Alithos Anesti]

The crucifiction of Jesus was according to God's purpose. His will be done.

Amen! God killed Jesus (1 John 3:16) Through the Jews (1 Co. 2: To cut the bondage of sin (Romans 6:17). The price was paid for everyone; spiritually, we're all guilty of Christ's death. (Historically it was the Jews; though, of course, at the time they were under the Roman government to at least a certain extent.)

This kind of thinking is why I don't understand western Theology anymore.  And why so many Atheists hate Christianity.  Think of what you just said and what it implies.  You are saying that God (Father in this context) loves us so much, But is a blood thirsty God that needs someone to Die because humanity chose the wrong path in the Garden of Eden.  He doesn't care who it is.  That's what your statement implies.

Christ died FOR us, not BECAUSE of us.  He died because he loves us, not because we killed him.  To think the later would imply that we have control over God and what happens to Him in order to acomplish personal gain.  

The Truth is that Christ's sacrifice is more than his death on the Cross anyway.  His entire life was his sacrifice.  His living out of God's will was his sacrifice.  He died a sinless man and was sent to Hades (Sheol), where all souls went when they died.  But since he was God and sinless Man he broke the chains that bound the captive rightious ones.  And when he ressurected on the third day he defeated death.  Later he went to heaven and is now in the place of Honor at the right hand of the Father.  Forever glorifying our Humanity.  Because Christ Jesus did what no other Man was Able to do.  To live the way God's will says we should.  By doing good works with Faith and while all the time glorifying God.  

Christos Anesti! Alithos Anesti  

It's a historical fact that the Idea of the Rapture didn't come about until the 1800's.  Some woman was reading that verse in Thessalonians and when she went to sleep she had a dream in which she saw all the Christians of the Earth getting raptured before the Tribulation.  and through some wild eisegesis she came up with the doctrine  

Funny that this idea never existed in the Church for 1700 plus years, and that the Scriptural "evidence" is questionable at best.

I personnally think that the "Rapture" Idea is the work of Satan.  when the Anti-christ comes many people will fall away because they didn't get their "Promised" rapture.    

Oh I think I get it.  Since you don't believe in any of those doctrines it means that you sprek the Truth and all the Christianity that believed many of those things since 33 A.D. are wrong.  Halleluyah,  You must speak directly to God everyday, huh?

[IMMORTAL]

The council of Nicea is nothing but a collaberation of people who believe in a "church" organization to teach them what the truth of the Bible states, NOT what the BIble states itself. The Council of Nicea is The Roman Catholic position on these subjects, NOT the Bible.

Christ could not be part God and part human. The Websters New World Dictionary states the word "God" to be the following

1. A supernatural, IMMORTAL being with special powers over the lives and affairs of poeple and the course of nature.
2. An image that is worshipped
3. A person or thing diefied or excessively honored or admired.

This makes what the council said to be a CONTRADICTION. Humans are MORTAL, God is IMMORTAL, therefore, its in error, sorry.

According to the English language in itself, Christ could not have been part God and part Human at the same time, it is not pertinent to logic and reason

Well first off the Bible wasn't around until the 4th Century so your first argument is out the Window.  Also the Roman Catholic Church didn't exist till 1054 so thats a good 600 year time period in between the Council of Nicea and the Roman Church.

2nd, I didn't say part man part God. He was Fully Man And Fully God.

Lastly, I'm glad that the English language can now tell us all we need to know about Theology.    

[God with us.]

Matthew 1:23.  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.


John 8:51.  Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.....

 ...52.  Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death.
 53.  Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
 54.  Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God:
 55.  Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying.
 56.  Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
 57.  Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham?
 58.  Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
 
Kasey, the above three Bible references refute much of what you say.

ollie

Those passages dont refute anything that I have said, but merely verifies it. Before Abraham, I was. Yes, Christ existed before Abraham because Christ is God. Emmanuel is correct, God was with us, but as a human, not divinity. Christ became divine again after his resurrection.

For anyone to say that I deny the diety of Christ is to state a lie. I never denied him, only reaffirmed him. For people to state that he was part divine while he was here are for you to deny his death - for to truly die, you must be mortal. God is not mortal, therefore, he cannot die, therefore according to what you believe, his "death" is meaningless for he did not truly die.

Mortality is the only thing that lets people die. If Christ was part God, he could not have died - PERIOD, Therefore, the error of those who claim that I speak not according to the truth of scripture is exposed.

The First Ecumenical Council at Nicea in 325 A.D. affirmed that Christ was Fully Man and fully God.  Therefore subject to all that men are subject to, including death.

The way you believe was he Exact thing a man named Arius believed at that time.  In fact, the Reason that Council was called was to refute Arius' claims.  Someone is wrong it's either the One person who thinks that man was not Divine from his Human birth until the Ressurection, or the Entire rest of the Church, Who know that he is fully Man and fully God.  I'd say those are pretty bad odds for you my friend.

Good message

Stop trying to pawn off your "church" or "ministry" as the work of God. Stop joining forces with the religious systems of this world!


Amen

Amen Crusader

Stop trying to pawn off "Christianity" as something Christ Created.  Christ did not say "on this rock I will build my Christianity"  He said on this Rock I will build my CHURCH!!!"

Christ crated a  Church, also known as his Body.  Either become a part of it or be condemned.  You may already be a part of it I don't know.  But by denying the Church, you also deny Christ.  

Or don't you get it?

You think that now at this point in time you personnally have a greater understanding of theology than people who Acctually met Christ's Apostles personnaly.  How arrogant and ignorant of you.