My t shirt wound up on TV today (with me in it) !

They had on the news last night how a busload of "Christian" homosexuals were going to make the rounds of the Justice Courts in the area today to try to get marriage licenses - even tho they knew they'd fail because it's illegal here.

The TV crews were covering it at various locations. I showed up at one location outside the court building in my T shirt (HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN) It turns out I was the only protestor at any of the locations. (that is a sad commentary on the church!) Because of this, tho (being the only one there), the TV crew and other people wanted to interview me, and I wound up on the noon news and again at 5. Maybe 10 tonight also, we'll see. It was the Lord, it surely wasn't me. They only show about a line or two, but it's better than nothing. I think if you go to KPHO online you can see it by clicking on a link or two. I'm the big round person in the T shirt.

I want to encourage everyone in the body to speak up. Don't be silent. Who was it that said once, Life is 99% just showing up? Don't let this issue go the way of the others, into complacency. If you go, they might interview you and you can speak up for God and what's right - no matter what the issue! I sure didn't expect this door to open - and all I did was make my feet go in that direction. The Lord did the rest.  Oh, they also had 2 "Christian" pastors with them, complete with clerical collars, because they are all "getting married" at some resort tomorrow. I had a chance to rebuke the pastors and call them false shepherds or ravenous wolves or something, I dont' recall.

Basically, I just read from the Bible (Ro 1:18 and beyond). But the Lord had my voice go really loud - I didn't think I had it in me, and I don't! It surprised me as much as anyone. At that point, the whole bus got off and linked arms and began to sing "Jesus Loves Me".

Here's an article about someone who made a t shirt that says Homosexuality is Sin and wore it to high school.....

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38160

But we must contradict them.  We must.   We have to.

Amen to that. That really struck home.

Yep, going around in the shirt is definitely an interesting experience. It's quite intense, actually - I haven't been out in mine for awhile, busy with other things. You really have to get your mindset on right when you go out in the shirt - it isn't just, "oh, I think I'll wear this today,"

I'm sure you'll figure it out! I'm not that literate on the computer.......

Is it possible to repulse the repulsive?

Gosh, I would sure hope so, but maybe not!

Our male/femaleness is a curse for us, in our fallen state.   We exacerbate that by focussing on it all the time.

I'm not sure that God cares one way or the other whether we marry.

Exactly. He cares if we are sinning. And Paul stated it would be best to remain in whatever situation you find yourself. The homosexuals dilemma is that they cannot marry and make their lust legitimate. No matter how much they try to twist scripture.

I'm also thinking of shock value when I'm out in public. How would people respond if you said you wanted to marry your dog or at least kiss it in public, or their baby, or a small child, if you really bring it down and expand upon their basic intent (the right to flaunt abomination in public), it would shock some people......i think a little street skit would be a good illustration. They would be repulsed by that and then you could make the comparison....just thinking.

I pray that the Lord helps you, Ebia, but I won't play your word and head games. I pray the Lord takes the bitterness from your heart and draws you very close to His heart and changes your life.

Here's a link with a bunch of pictures of people in public with signs or t shirts.....   http://www.streetpreaching.com/pics/pictures2.htm

I LOVE IT! Boy, that is excellent. Why didn't I think of that??   It's perfect. No, you won't get chased out of anywhere. Are they chasing people out who are wearing shirts dissing the Lord or calling him foul names , or shirts with big swear words on them? They aren't here. You go, guy!

ps you can buy transfers for light shirts and they have some for dark shirts too.

I don't think you can get arrested for it, at least not as long as speech is still legal. I walked right past two cops on duty inside the entrance to the public library in my shirt. (I live in a town where we have to have things like that!)

Actually, my analogy is not a false one. It is the analogy that the homosexuals are using to try and legalize abberation

Your analogy is a false one in what you were trying to do with it.   It doesn't prove what you were trying to prove.

Yep, comparing homosexual behaviour to what something a person is born with--like skin color--is the height of arrogance, prevarication and wholesale insult.

AFAIK, no-one with half a brain claims that any behaviour is something you are born with.  The claim is that who one is sexually attracted to is something one is born with with.

Homosexual "lifestyle"(how's that?--more like "death style") is no less a deliberate and willing choice, than having sex with animals is--unless now we are saying that too is unavoidable.

If one is born sexually attracted to people of the same sex, then the choice one is left with appears to be sin or celebacy.

Wrong again, Ebia. If one is attracted to the same sex, the choice is sin or celibacy. This is correct. Is that such a bad choice? Likewise, fornication is a sin. If one is attracted to the opposite sex, but isn't married, the choice is still the same - sin or celibacy. And homosexuals cannot fix the problem by "marrying."  Behavior is something you do. Based on how you feel. The homosexual lobby is attempting to base their argument along the lines of civil rights, attempting to align with the civil rights movement of the 60's. This is their idea,not mine. This is not behavior. This is stating one was born a certain way and can't help it so allowances should be made because the proclivity is on equal footing with being normal and how God intended. This is wrong. Even if we use your left hand right hand argument, it still falls apart - people have learned to change that. Not only that, but there is no "fault" between a left hand or a right hand preference.They are equally normal. Not so homosexuality. A more correct analogy if you insist on using body parts would be to compare someone having one head with someone having two. Clearly, only one was God intended.

I intend to ignore your posts from now on. I am only posting to encourage other brothers and sisters in Christ to speak up against homosexuality publically. If you don't choose to do that or are not a Christian, kindly ignore my posts or go over to another forum. Good day.

PS Get behind me, Satan. The Lord rebuke you.

Well, good luck with your shirt. I think it is good to include scripture. Maybe instead of condemning homosexuality you could promote heterosexuality on the shirt? It's a little less confrontational and still gets the point across.  It's hard, when you have to work and need to produce an income, etc, you don't necessarily want to throw it all alway, but at some point we have to take a stand and it's hard to know when and where - and what over. It's a very personal issue. I struggle with it.

Just my opinion, but I would find a way to do it that doesn't "cost you everything" until you're ready to make that sacrifice - I think we all will have that choice sooner or later. Like, I live in a really big town, so I can go out to the mall or store in the t shirt with little personal consequence, if any. Which probably makes me a hypocrite too. It's a difficult thing. I'm wrestling with it now - like, do I wear my cross pin to a job interview or wait until I'm hired? Do I wear my t shirt around everyone, or do I go to specific places? Would I wear it to church? (that would probably be the most dangerous place, hate to say it)

It's a bigger issue that homosexuality, really - like when you brought up the brownshirts and Nazis in another thread. That was a good analogy. Altho I think abortion really applies to that as well - because they're killing unborn babies. But homosexuality is the "issue" of the day, it seems - yet, it is bigger than that. There is a time coming when the buck won't just stop at that - the box will keep getting smaller and smaller for us. At some point, we will have to take a stand. I wrestle with too. Should I just go down now, since I will eventually? Or do I need to pray more and let God take care of when it is.

I had another idea, but this is really far-fetched. Remember hearing about "flash mobs?" Where hundreds or thousands suddenly show up somewhere and then disperse right away?

What about a christian flash "mob?" Like, in a public place where they won't allow a nativity, or the steps of a courthouse where gay marriages are being performed, or walking past an abortion clinic, or anywhere, really, a mall or sidewalk - everyone with Homosexuality is a Sin t shirts on.....it's probably outlandish to consider. Or, a shirt that says , Repent, Jesus is coming soon.....who knows.

Symphony, you could go wear your shirt in a big city somewhere to try it out before you wore it in your hometown.....

About all of this - I read another board where they are quick to say (not about me, because I haven't said anything), Oh, you can't condemn anybody (but Jn 3:18 I think says you are condemned already if you don't believe); or they say, sinners already know they are in sin. (do they? why are they flaunting it?) Or, don't confront sinners with sin. I totally agree with Judge Not that you don't shove a sign in their face that says they're going to hell.....but what about preaching a strong message? Jonathan Edwards had a lot to say in his famous sermon......I don't think you can be loving enough to attract everyone to Christ - the Jehovah's Witnesses and Mormons are real "loving" too....to be sure, we are to BE loving, etc, but I don't think we are to rely on that alone.

What I'm thinking right now is there is 1) preaching - where you preach about sin and hell and Jesus and forgiveness. That is where you condemn homosexuality, abortion, fornication, etc. 2) and there is talking to someone one on one, which is different.

the t shirts I think are more along the lines of preaching - although I've gotten into a couple of conversations one on one as a result....I'm thinking about Moses, when he came down with the ten commandments - the people had corrupted themselves. He came down with commandments that showed them their sin. Just thinking, more later maybe.

The Chink in the Armor......I was thinking the last few days that the gays have really shot themselves in the foot. What do I mean? There is all this talk now about the kids in school (even grammar school, I read) "exploring" their sexuality, trying it out both ways, to see if maybe they "are" gay...

So right there goes the homosexuals whole arguement. They have portrayed their sexual preference as something they were born with and tried to compare it to race - but this whole thing with the youth clearly ruins their whole premise. When was the last time you heard of an African American trying out his race to see if he was one? Or a caucasian the same? If you're born a certain way, you can't "try it out" to see for certain. It isn't something that's "discovered" Duh.

Your analogy is a false one.

A slightly better analogy might be right or left handedness.  For the majority of people, you are either right handed or left handed - it's not a choice, and it's part of you from birth, but you don't know which you are until you try.

Actually, my analogy is not a false one. It is the analogy that the homosexuals are using to try and legalize abberation