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1  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: August 09, 2004, 01:28:14 AM
Well, you could write it on a cardboard with a magic marker - that would work.

The best (and only) grief therapy is Jesus Christ - sometimes the grief is bottomless or seems so, and we need to continually "climb up into His lap" and give it all to Him. He is the only One Who helps me with grief over my mother's death, and that was 3 years ago. I cry, and He is there. It is enough. I'll remember to pray for you...

good night - please remember He is with you and has an inexhaustable well of comfort for you....
2  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: August 09, 2004, 01:11:22 AM
How abour a T-Shirt that says;

Praise Jesus, I am Alive Because of Him. Please ask me how to Know My Jesus!!

So - wear one then!!
3  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: August 09, 2004, 12:47:37 AM
Good words, blackeyed peas and sincere heart.

There is a fine line. I can see what people mean when they say it's "hate" or self-righteousness to proclaim the truth.

We can't expect the world to change, because the world is the world. Dead in sin. That's what's wrong with all this trying to legislate morality - it won't happen. We are to call sinners OUT of a sinful world into a relationship with Christ.

If the whole world is going along with their agenda, and Christians are remaining silent, how will they ever know? Their conscience bears witness. But we need to bear witness also.

There are a lot of pushes to legitimatize the homosexual movement. They will succeed, simply because we know the world will get darker and darker until Jesus comes back. But there are a lot of young people watching. And people who are borderline homosexuals. They are in some cases trying to convince themselves. For people to stand up and say,no, this is wrong, makes some of them think. It makes young people question more, what they are being told. There are a lot of people who are "going along" with the whole homosexual agenda because they think it's the politically correct thing to do - until they realize that not everyone feels that way. Then they are more encouraged to speak up themselves about how they really feel.

When we were holding our signs on the street, the majority response was favorable and most definitely against homosexuality. This is the pulse on the street.

So, whether you wear a button, or print it on a visor, or put it on a shirt - it's a statement that needs to be stated. And while we're at it, abortion is murder and fornication is also a sin - these need to be confronted as well. So does lying and adultery. But the one they're really shoving at us is the hs thing. Their ultimate goal is to silence any speech that states the truth and back it up with legal ramifications. That is the lengths they will go to protect their self delusion and rebellion.

Is it wrong to speak the truth in the face of that? Certainly not.

A sure sign you're making inroads into the enemy's (satan's) territory is when you have people upset at the fact you are saying something definitive, asking why, and accusing you of being unloving or something.

But, I would also caution a person to examine their own motives.

Secondly, it's not about being "self- righteous", hating anyone, being holier than thou, heaping condemnationm (although they are ALREADY condemned), etc. There is a lot of that, you have to admit. We are all wretched, naked, miserable and blind without Christ. We were once hovering over the abyss as well. Our word should be a word of warning.

I am continually amused at Christians who talk about "love" and their Christianity. They want to hug and schmooze and tell people Jesus loves them. Yes, He does. But people who are in willful rebellion could give a rip. They don't see their precarious position. Or, they think they can be a Christian and refuse to let go of their sin at the same time. That is still rebellion, and you can't have it both ways. It is still I who am lord of my own life at that point. If you make Christ Lord of your life, you have to be willing to let go of everything.
4  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: August 08, 2004, 04:08:14 PM
Matthew 14: 3   For Herod had laid hold on John, and bound him, and put him in prison for Herodias' sake, his brother Philip's wife.
4   For John said unto him, It is not lawful for thee to have her.

Mt 5
19   Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.
20   For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

27   Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
28   But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
29   And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

5  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: August 08, 2004, 03:48:43 PM
May I direct you to the following audio/video examples:


And the following Scripture.

Isaiah 58
1   Cry aloud, spare not, lift up thy voice like a trumpet, and shew my people their transgression, and the house of Jacob their sins.

Ez 3:18   When I say unto the wicked, Thou shalt surely die; and thou givest him not warning, nor speakest to warn the wicked from his wicked way, to save his life; the same wicked man shall die in his iniquity; but his blood will I require at thine hand.
19   Yet if thou warn the wicked, and he turn not from his wickedness, nor from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity; but thou hast delivered thy soul.

Eph 5:11
11   And have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them.
12   For it is a shame even to speak of those things which are done of them in secret.
13   But all things that are reproved are made manifest by the light: for whatsoever doth make manifest is light.

1 Timothy 5

20   Them that sin rebuke before all, that others also may fear.

Titus 2 11  
 For the grace of God that bringeth salvation hath appeared to all men,
12   Teaching us that, denying ungodliness and worldly lusts, we should live soberly, righteously, and godly, in this present world;

15   These things speak, and exhort, and rebuke with all authority. Let no man despise thee.

ITh 5:14
Now we exhort you, brethren, warn them that are unruly, comfort the feebleminded, support the weak, be patient toward all men.

Ec 7
5   It is better to hear the rebuke of the wise, than for a man to hear the song of fools.

6  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 21, 2004, 08:15:01 PM
Thanks Symphony, that was encouraging.

7  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Our own trap? on: May 19, 2004, 01:51:49 PM
If you read (I’m sure you all) the condemnations of Israel and Jerusalem by God as relayed to us through the prophets Isaiah, Ezekiel and others in the OT, the similarities of the sins of “the Western World” (US and UK included) to the Jews of that time are strikingly similar.  Just like Sodom and Gomorrah.  

Yes, God does punish unrepented sin.  That is the nature of God.  His nature does not change.  Sins must be paid for – either through the blood of the Son, or through eternal damnation.

I choose the Son.

Hi Judge Not, This is a part that really interests me. (I've been posting over in "Shirts") There's always that dynamic: one feels led to speak out, then one finds that no one else one knows feels led to do so and wonder if you should be. So the ensuing discussion commences. Their solution is to pray (always a good solution) You explain that praying is important, yes, but should one just fail to speak up? And round and round it goes.

However, it seems to me someone was speaking up in the OT, and they were confronting their own societies with whatever the sin of the day was.....right?Huh
8  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 19, 2004, 01:24:14 PM

From the AZ Republic:

 "There were no anti-gay protesters at any of the court facilities, although one woman came to the East Mesa Justice Court, Bible in hand, to pray for the marriage applicants, for better or for worse."

Perhaps we deserve to be styled as a "ghetto"(a reference recently in U.S. News magazine, mentioned separately in my post under "Krystallnacht", under Prophecy).

But one of the pictures in the Massachusetts article, at WND, the two gay men there do look formidable--every bit the picture of the portrayal in John Huston's epic film, "The Bible", when the angels go in to examine Sodom.  They look just like the portrayal there.


  By the way, I wasn't "praying for the marriage applicants", I was preaching against sin. They twist everything.

Lastly, I'll have to go over to the Krystallnacht thread and read up....also, where is that film by John Huston? I never heard of it.
9  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 19, 2004, 01:21:59 PM

It may take awhile, but it's happening.  Yesterday Massachusetts actually issuing gay marriage licenses; on the news, said U.S. now one of four nations.

Chicago's gays are sabre rattling.

But as I become more vocal, or if I do, I imagine my customer base will begin to dry up.  

A neighboring town newspaper just printed one of my letters to the editor.  They no longer will here--unless, I guess, it was supportive, lauding or ecumenical.  I've been amazed at how submissive and fearful my own community apparently is, of saying anything--or if they want to say anything anyway.  Most of my friends or peers are afraid of me now, apparently afraid they'll be iimplicated and lose their jobs, since most of them are employees and have careers to think about.  

I'm planning on a situation where there's an ongoing tension--sort of like Nehemiah rebuilding the wall but at the same time fighting off the attackers.

When you said the Chicago gays were "sabre rattling", that sounds just like here. Do you have any links for Chicago? Here, they were acting all demanding and whipping up the crowd, and "demanding" things. Hah! Oh, and they marched singing, We Shall Overcome, like they were some poor blighted group. It was almost funny. (I'm sure just to us)

As far as your customer base drying up, I think the Lord will protect you if you are in His will. Somehow. I know how you feel.

When you said you were amazed at how fearful and submissive your town is, and then how your friends or peers are afraid of you know, what's going on?? What are you saying? My friends have been polite to listen, but no one wants to get involved. (except the one friends elderly mother from yesterday) I sometimes see a news flash from another town and they'll quickly show someone holding a banner saying Homeosexuality Is A Sin, so there are people somewhere. I think the Lord has dropped that message into people's spirits. But where are these people? Are they alone too? What church do they go to ?? What's their story??

What do you mean about the Nehemiah thing??

Congrats on the letter to the editor. What was it about?
10  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 19, 2004, 01:07:33 PM

The Genesis account says everyone, "down to the last man".

Could you explain what this means? I'm unclear.

Yesterday i got someone to go with me down to the courthouse in the city (downtown) because the gays were planning a "march" to the clerk's office to demand that their "marriage" certificates from a few days ago be recognized. The march was led by 4 "pastors" of a gay church.

the t shirt I'd been making didn't turn out so I put the message on a sign - we had 2 signs, actually, different on each side. The big design was a graphic like you see outside restrooms, the generic man and the generic woman, but I had them holding hands, and underneath, "God's Way". We also had a sign that said "Jesus Wept" and one that said Same Sex with a circle and red line thru it. We stood at the entrance to the courthouse. Several passersby agreed - most, in fact. Only a few detractors.

The tv people put the signs on the air on a couple of channels, praise God. One station aired a one sentence comment I made, but only one time. Which is better than nothing. (I can't find the links.)

By and large, most of the media coverage, when I watched several stations later, avoided showing our signs, or making any mention of there being any opposition at all. I guess that they mentioned it at all, anywhere, is a good thing, tho.

They had a big pro-marriage rally here the day before yesterday. About 3000 Christians gathered at the state capitol. A lot of them had signs, and there was a lot of media coverage.

What bothers me about that is this: it's great to work for laws to protect marriage and whatever else is wrong out there. But it seems like all the Christians are relying on that. Yesterday, my friend and I were the ONLY 2 protestors there, period. Where is everybody?Huh? this is a big metropolitan city with several million residents! (we were downtown, not out where I live) I read later that a couple of people from the Center for Arizona Policy (the ones who sponsored the pro-marriage rally on Monday) were around yesterday (while we were holding signs in front of the courthouse) but I find it odd that neither of them came by to say hello or offer encouragement or anything. It's like they want to distance themselves from anyone taking a public stand in opposition. From reading their web site, it looks like they hope to accomplish everything thru legislation. Nothing "radical" you know. The problem with legislation is some judge comes along and just overturns it all anyway. So it isn't enough. I thought they (the people from CFAP) were Christians. What gives?? We weren't shouting or anything - just holding signs.

I don't think standing against all this will ultimately prevent it from all going ahead at some point - so why bother. But somehow it just seems wrong to cave in and do nothing. Feels like spittin' into a hurricane, actually. Do I even want to?

The discouraging part is, I have discovered that most Christian really don't want to do anything at all about anything and probably won't. I think in the end, they will hang you out to dry - and one will be "out there" all by themselves. That's a really desolate feeling. Surely there are people somewhere who believe is speaking out. If not about homosexuality, then about all the other ills that are evil. Aren't we supposed to speak out against evil? (and provide the solution, Jesus). When did the gospel change??
11  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 17, 2004, 03:34:48 AM
I'll need to go look at the sources you mentioned.....

Why do you say ready to die? Do you worry you will lose your job or something? You can always go to another town to protest. Somewhere where no one knows you. Or, you could do the shirt you were thinking, where it was all one word, which gives you a little get away time. Or, even just the letters, HIAS and let them figure it out. Or, there's call in radio where you can be anonymous. If the Lord leads, He will protect. I was thinking about that too... like what if where I applied for a job sees it and decides to forget it....I guess I'll find out in a couple of days if I'm still going to be hired.
12  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 15, 2004, 10:45:02 AM
see this link http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/0515marriagebus15.html

It has a picture of someone wearing a pro-gay t shirt.
13  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 15, 2004, 03:32:11 AM
Oh my gosh! I just checked World Net Daily, and the AP article made it there! They get over a million hits a day or something like that - and the article has the wording of the t shirt, HOMOSEXUALITY IS A SIN. Hallelujah! Praise the Lord! He has done this - it's incredible. People need to hear that it IS A SIN......
14  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 15, 2004, 03:10:16 AM
Hi, I think they got off the bus to try to drown me out, because I was the only one saying anything. It kinda backfired, tho, because the reporters just waited until the people got back on the bus to come and ask questions.

No, no other protestors were there.
15  Fellowship / What are you doing? / Re:Shirts on: May 15, 2004, 12:22:38 AM
Thanks, Blackeyed. Glory to God!

The t shirt showed up here, too (radio website with article) http://www.ktar.com/news/story.aspx?id=27382 Praise the Name of JESUS!!!
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