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1  Theology / General Theology / Re:Two-stage second coming???? on: January 27, 2004, 12:01:32 AM
The rapture was a MYSTERY and therefore kept secret by God until the appointed time which was not until Paul announced it in Corinthians and then Thessalonians.


The Mystery is no mystery, it is clearly written.
1st Corinthians 15
49 And as we have borne the image of the earthy, we shall also bear the image of the heavenly.
50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

At the last Trump, the 7th Trump. We ALL shall be changed.

Not just us believers! ALL!

Why are we so worried about the future Tribulation, that we have to make up some secret mystery Fly away doctrine, to feel better, study the 13th Chapter Ezek. This flesh is ordained to cast away, but your spiritual body CAN live forever, if you prepare yourselves, through the will of God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, The Holy Spirit the Comforter.
Seal of God, Two Edged Sword, will protect us during that future physical/spiritual tribulation.

God Bless
Jesus Peace,


2  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Rapture season 2006/2007 facts & evidence *reactions* on: January 20, 2004, 03:43:59 PM
Why should we be so scared of the future tribulation. There has always been killing, rape, all kinds of evil violence.
The future tribulation will be a spiritual tribulation, it will be caused by the false christ with all of his miracles and wonders he will perform before the people(Rev13:13-14).He will decieve many into thinking he is the Real Christ! He will cause them to fall away from the True Christ that appears at the Last (7th Trump), not before.

Believers who are alive at the 7th trump are not promised anything.If they go along with the false christ, they will be subject to the 2nd death which is the Great White Throne Judgement(Rev 20:14, Rev 21:8)How do we avoid this? Be apart of the first resurection(Rev 20:4-6)! Dont alow the Beast to put his mark on you, or should I say in you(Your Beliefs) Don't allow him to decieve you! Don't be caught nursing a baby when the Real Christ appears, ifso you have allowed the false christ to impregnate you with his lies and deception(Mark 13:17)according to 2nd Corinth 11 v2 we are to be presented to Christ as a chaste virgin.v3 We are not to be beguiled(exapatao-seduced wholly, strongs# 1818 in the greek)as Eve was seduced by the serpent, The devil, dragon, whatever you want to call him!

We need spiritual protection, not physical.

The only gathering together will be at the 7th Trump 'The Day of the Lord' that is the 1 Cor 15 51-52 event when 'WE' in the twinkling of an eye will be changed into our spiritual bodies(1 cor 15 42-50)

God Bless
Jesus Peace,


3  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Rapture season 2006/2007 facts & evidence *reactions* on: January 19, 2004, 07:35:52 PM

TrueWordBeliever, Jason:
<< If you want to be protected during the tribulation. The answer is the 'seal of God' Rev 9:4 >>

The only people ever sealed with Gods protection in Revelation are those who are members of the tribes of Israel.  Note that John recorded (as intructed) the number he heard.

Rev 7:4  And I heard the number of them which were sealed: and there were sealed an hundred and forty and four thousand of all the tribes of the children of Israel.

He continues listed the number 12,000 for each individual tribe, 12 in all.

Reading this passage litterally, this is clearly speaking of Israel, an exact number from each tribe that will accept Christ as messiah during the tribulation.  Nothing here about the church being preserved from wrath.  That promise is in 1 Thessalonians 5:9

Grace and Peace!

2nd Timothy,

If you will Start at the begining of Ch5 of 1st Thess.

In v2 it says
For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

The subject that is being taught here is the "day of the Lord"

What is the day of the Lord? Well according to Zechariah Ch 14.
Zech 14:1
Behold, the day of the Lord cometh.....
2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle....
3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations,.......
4 And His feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east,........

Notice it says His feet will stand upon the mount of Olives, Here on EARTH, NOT up in the air in the clouds.

The seal of God is knowing the Truth, knowing the false christ appears 1st, before Our CHRIST!
just like the mark of the Beast is believing all the lies and deception that is caused by the fake christ.

Do you know who Israel is?The Real Jews (The Real descendants of Judah) who inhabit Jerusalem and the rest of the earth make up a very small part of the True Israel! Beware of the false jews, Jesus warned us about them in Rev 2:9 and Rev 3:9

God Bless
Jesus Peace,


4  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Rapture season 2006/2007 facts & evidence *reactions* on: January 17, 2004, 11:58:09 PM
In the 13th chapter of Ezek, God say's he is against those  false prophets of the 'house of israel' who hunt souls to make them 'fly'.'fly'-strongs #6524 in the hebrew language-parach-To break forth as a bud i.e. bloom;generaly to spread; specifically to fly(as extending the wings);figuratively; to flourish:
Why would God be against flying away? It is second worst deception compared to the appearance of the false christ, which most will worship!
1st Century christians had no physical protection against there tribulation, why are we so special to recieve some secret fly away so called rapture into the clouds?

If you want to be protected during the tribulation. The answer is the 'seal of God' Rev 9:4

God Bless
Jesus Peace,

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