Ezekiel 38 begins "The Wrath of God"....and we know that the Bride will be raptured before the wrath of God begins.(1 thessalonians 1;10).
If the Ezekiel 38 battle begins slightly prior to Daniels 70th week,...and the Ezekiel 38 prophecy cannot be scripturally placed inside Daniels 70th week,...then this destroys the pre-wrath and the post trib view, leaving only one correct pre-trib rapture view.

In past debates,..it has been successfully refuted that Gog is not an Islamic antichrist.
It has also been proven that Ezekiel 38 prophecy is not the same battle of Armageddon.

It seems that when we do the math,..we begin to realize that we are on the edge of eternity.
I strongly sense that we will be going home to be with the Lord extremely soon.
There are some things that I would like to point out.
When we read the book of Daniel 9;24.......we see the words..."Your people"(referring to Daniels people the Jewish race.)
In the meantime,..the Lord is gathering a people from among the gentile nations.
But when the "Fullness of the Gentiles" has come in,...we know that the Lord will come to take His Bride home.
Then afterward,....we know that Russia and the outter Islamic nations will attempt to attack Israel, and that the Lord will destroy the invading armies.
But take notice,...that in Ezekiel 38;14...it states:
"Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say to Gog: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: In that day, when my people Israel are living in safety, will you not take notice of it?"
What I want to point out here are the words...."My People"
We know that after the rapture, that the Lord will turn His attention back to His People(The Jewish race).

But when we read 1 Thessalonians 5;3...we observe the following:
What stands out are the words..."They"......"Them"...and...."They"
It is as though this indicates the Bride was not around when these words were proclaimed by the world.
I believe that the beginning era of when the world and Israel will carelessly believe that they are now at peace,is when the following prophecies come to pass.
The thing about this though, is that there is strong indiction that it may very well come to pass before this year has expired.read the following link:
viewtopic.php?f=10&t=61543

In the Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 prophecy,..I believe that Israel will obtain the land that God had promised abraham.
The following are those involved in the Psalms 83 war,...and keep in mind that these have confederated together.
The tribes mentioned in Psalms 83 are the inner ring of Islamic nations that are today, preparing to attack Israel.
These nations are not involved in the Ezekial 38 battle.
Tents of Edom-Palestinians and So.Jordanians
Ishmaelites-Saudis(Ishmael father of arabs)
Moab-Palestinans and central Jordanians
Hagrites-Hagnarenes-Egyptians
Gebal-Hezbollah and No. Lebanese
Ammon-Palestinans and No.Jordanian
Amalek-Arabs of the Sinai area
Philistia-Hamas of the Gaza Strip
Tyre-Hezbollah and So. Lebanese
Assyria-Syrians and Northern Iraq's
I believe that Damascus Syria will be destroyed the same time as when Psalms 83 occurs.
Israel has a Motto towards their enemies...."NEVER AGAIN!!!"
It just so happens that these nations make up the land that is promised to Abrahams descendants,...this will consist of a small slice of Egypt,....All of Lebanon,...all of Syria.....Northern Iraq..... 1/3rd of Saudi Arabia....and all of Jordan(This explains the flight to petra and the mountainous region, when Israel flees in the A.O.D.)
(The Daniel 11 prophecy has it that Edom, Moab and the leaders of Ammon will be delivered from his hand,while on the other hand we see that Edom, Moab and Ammon are involved in the fight against Israel,rather than being delivered by his hand.)

Again as we can see,..the 10 leaders of Daniel 7 are now present,and Hal Lindsey agrees with this in the following link:
08-05-2011 http://www.hallindsey.com/videos/ (He talks about it in the second half of his program)
It seems that these ten are officially here on the world scene and we know that these ten will eventually give their power and authority over unto the beast.

OK,...with all this mentioned,...the following is what I am trying to point out.
In Psalms 83;3,....we read the following:
3With cunning they conspire against your people;they plot against those you cherish.

There it is again!........"Your People"
There is a strong possibilty that we the Bride,..may be going home extremely soon,..I believe that we are on the edge of eternity.

America is not mentioned in bible prophecy.I believe that the closes link that you are going to come pertaining to America, is The words..."merchants of Tarish"..."and all the young lions thereof" spoken of in Ezekiel 38.
It is my understanding that the merchants of Tarish were english speaking peoples,...and tradition has it that the youngest lion grows to be the most powerful.

The world today talks of a one world government,...but the truth is,..there are too many factions that refuse to give up their sovereignty.
At the current rate of progress,...a one world government would not happen in our lifetime,......unless.....three major global shocks were to occur first, that would change mans outlook, and cause him to give over his power and authority over to a one world government out of necessity for the sake of his survival.
Those three shocks can only come to pass byway of the pre tribulation rapture scenario.
These three shocks are....the Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war,......the Rapture of the Bride,...these first two shocks do not necessarily have to occur in the aforementioned order.......and third..the Ezekiel 38 battle.....it is these three global shocks that bring on Daniels 70th week.

There are Christians in Americas governments and armed forces,and civil services...and with a pre-trib rapture,..there would be nothing short of economic chaos,..including to other world governments.
In Ezekiel 38;20...A great earthquake will occur in the land of Israel,..but also the world will feel this earthquake too.
I believe that there is a strong possibility that the Old Yellowstone volcanoe will erupt by reason of this earthquake in which at least half of America would be destroyed.

When I was 14 years old I was living with my Grandmother and it was night time in the Fall.
There was a complete cloud overcast in the night sky,..and that particular night I was very depressed.
So I walked outside and into the small back yard that we had.
And I looked up into the sky,...and said..."God,..if you are real,..give me a sign.
Let there be no if's,..and's....or but's..about it,...I want there to be no doubts whatsoever that you are really real!Let's settle this once and for all between you and me!Give me a sign!

LOL Well here I was looking up into the cloud covered sky,..looking for that sign.
And I waited ,.....and waited .....And waited.....NOTHING!!!
Boy I was really disappointed,..and was even more depressed!
I remember that I said something under my breath in disappointment ,..but I do not remember what I had mumbled.
But I had started to walk away,..and had not gotten more than a couple of feet,...when all of a sudden,...I heard this loud audible sound coming from up above from where I had looking before I had given up expecting a sign.
A large meteor had burst forth out of the clouds above my head where I had been looking earlier.
All the colors this meyeror had was very beautiful,....the colors were like that what one see's when burning some plastics in a fire.
Well the meteror had burnt out,..but the Sky was still lit up.
The sky was lit up as a bright yellowish,redish orange in color,..and the lit in the clouds was disappearing in concentic form..Like in ripples when you drop a rock in a pond.

It was not until years later,..that I realized that the Lord did not have to give me a sign,..But I realized that He gave me a sign because of my ignorance,..and that He loved me.

[Sorry, I haven't seen that the question was really answered.Doesn't Revelation say that taking the mark is not forgiveable?The unpardonable sin was attributing the power of the Holy Spirit to Satan.Many say this was a one-time event, and doesn't apply today.]

Sorry, I haven't seen that the question was really answered.
Doesn't Revelation say that taking the mark is not forgiveable?
The unpardonable sin was attributing the power of the Holy Spirit to Satan.
Many say this was a one-time event, and doesn't apply today.

That is correct,..taking the mark is the same as denying Jesus as the Son of God....it is an unforgivable sin regardless of the excuse given in taking the mark.
Once it is taken...one's destiny is sealed.

Thanks,..I was aware of it.

This here is to debate whether one is truely saved when they sincerely ask the Lord into their heart.
There is no doubt about it,..if one has sincerely asked the Lord into their heart...they are saved and cannot lose their salvation.
Those who do not agree to OSAS..will claim that we have free will to walk away from God and therefore would lose their salvation.
Sorry guys,...but God did not leave your salvation in your own hands to throw it all away once you have been sealed by the promise of the Holy Spirit unto the Day of redemption.

Very shortly Israel is about to become the wealthiest nation on the earth as a result of the coming Psalms 83/Isaiah 17;1 war while all the other nations of the world will be in an economic crisses.
At this moment the E.U. is wanting Israel to come under it's umbrella,....a time is coming after the Ezekiel 38 battle that Israel will do exactly that,..and then Israel will have to adhere their laws with the E.U.Laws(Ten kings)
You see,...When the Lord was cruxified,.....The Sanhedrine was present and the temple and the mosiac law was active,....and Israel was under Roman Empire's umbrella of power.
We are coming again towards full circle......Today the Sanhedrin is back,....everything is ready for a third temple including the robes for the priests.
The E. U. desires Israel to come under it's umbrella of power.
The first 69 weeks was without the Bride and when the Lord was Cruxified,..it was as though time froze,...in which the clock will begin to tick off the last 7 years, when the "Fullness of the Gentiles" is complete.
The General time era of the rapture will occur sometime between now and shortly after the coming Psalms 83/Isaiah 17;1 war,..in which will result in Israel gaining much land,...and will carelessly believe that they are at peace,...this is a requirement for Ezekiel 38 which activates the Day of the Lord.
God Bless

The reason that I reposted a section of the above post is that the following link affirms that what is coming in the future pertaining to Israel.

http://www.jpost.com/DiplomacyAndPolitics/Article.aspx?id=228926

It seems to me that you are trying to claim that revelation 6;12 through 17 are to occur when the Lord returns to fight at armageddon.
There are too many differences of description in revelation 12-17 and the return of the Lord.
1.The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red
verse the difference of "“‘the sun will be darkened,and the moon will not give its light;(No light=no red appearance)

2.It is obvious the earthquakes from revelation 6;14 are not the same as the earthquake in revelation 16;20
in revelation 6;15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man ........" 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us "
verses the difference of:......"revelation 16;20Every island fled away and the mountains could not be found"
This occurs "Before" the appearance of the Lord returning.

3.15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”...........verses in comparison of:......."And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army."

4.“Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!(The Father and the Lamb are in view here).........in comparison too:....."revelation 19;11I saw heaven standing open and there before me was a white horse, whose rider is called Faithful and True. With justice he judges and makes war. 12His eyes are like blazing fire, and on his head are many crowns. He has a name written on him that no one knows but he himself. 13He is dressed in a robe dipped in blood, and his name is the Word of God. 14The armies of heaven were following him, riding on white horses and dressed in fine linen, white and clean. 15Out of his mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the nations. “He will rule them with an iron scepter.”a He treads the winepress of the fury of the wrath of God Almighty. 16On his robe and on his thigh he has this name written:

king of kings and lord of lords. .................."only the Lord Jesus is in view here as He is returning with His armies"

Israel is back in it's homeland.

If over the next few years, you see bread go to about 100 dollars per loaf........you will know that you are at the 3rd Seal and that the Pre-Trib theory is not correct. 


This is not God's wrath.......but the globalist elites ushering in world chaos to bring about their New World Order.  They will form an alliance with the man of evil. 


God's wrath (7th Seal) is very distinct........and cannot be duplicated by either satan or man. 

...........I believe that seals 1 through 6 occur together in a matter of minutes/hours?
About the sixth seal......I believe is broken up into segments.
Revelation 6:12
I watched as he opened the sixth seal. There was a great earthquake. The sun turned black like sackcloth made of goat hair, the whole moon turned blood red.

The only place in the bible that matches the scripture is Joel 2;31The sun will be turned to darkness
and the moon to blood before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the Lord.
(The day of the Lord is the First Half and......The Great and dreadful Day of the Lord Begins at the A.O.D. in which the Lord Jesus distinguishes it from the first half by calling it The Great Tribulation.)

I believe that the Day of the Lord begins with......." and the stars in the sky fell to earth, as late figs drop from a fig tree when shaken by a strong wind. 14The sky receded like a scroll, rolling up, and every mountain and island was removed from its place.

15Then the kings of the earth, the princes, the generals, the rich, the mighty, and every slave and every free man hid in caves and among the rocks of the mountains. 16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 17For the great day of their wrath has come, and who can stand?”

This Invasion of Russia and The outter ring of islamic nation is what activates the Day of the Lord,..and the beginning result is Ezekiel 38;18 through 20

I believe that the 144,000 are sealed sometimes after the Ezekiel 38 war but not past day 1 of the 7 year covenant.
The work of the 144,000 would cover most of Daniels 70th week but not past the 7th trumpet judgement and before the bowl Judgement,..in which it is too late to make a decision for Jesus once the bowl judgements has started.

When the Ezekiel 38 war comes to pass,..I believe that the antichrist will step forward already having a crown on his head,...in position to confirm the covenant from Day 1........which common sense dictates that a negotiation had been in process days earlier.
There is obviously a gap between the Ezekiel 38 war and the Day 1 confirmation........But I would not venture to say that the gap is weeks,..but most likely only days.
There is a very strong possibility that the 10 kings will take formation after the coming Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war,...which would mean that the antichrist,..would also begin to become noticed by the 10 kings in the political arena.

I fully realize there is agreement and disagreement, but my answer about "Where did we go?" is the RAPTURE. For those who disagree, we can do so kindly and anxiously await His Glorious Appearance. As for me, my mind is already made up, and I suspect that those who disagree also have their minds made up. We'll all have the answer some time soon.

Absolutely,...."Where did we go".....one can only come up with one answer.....The reason that the only the 144,000 were "The Only Ones Sealed" at that very moment was because the Bride was already raptured.The Great multitude was the end result of the 144,000 and the two witnesses, who had began their ministry in the first half of Daniels 70th week.

God Bless

You Quote:
And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring (the gentile Christians grafted into the natural branch;  see Romans Chps 9--11), who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ."

My Reply:
It seems that you are suggesting that the Trib saiants are the Bride.That cannot be because the Bride was caught up prior to the Day of the Lord.
Many people, Jews and Gentiles, will be saved on the earth during the seven year Tribulation. God's purpose in bringing the seven year Tribulation on earth is to fulfill His promises to Israel and purge the earth prior to His setting up the Millennial Kingdom. God will be once again working with the Jews and the Nation of Israel. Matthew 24:20 specifically states that those who are fleeing the persecution of the Antichrist should pray it will not be on the Sabbath. Christians in this age are not under the Mosaic law and do not keep the Sabbath.


"But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day" (Matthew 24:20)
           Exodus 31:17 states that the Sabbath was a special everlasting sign between God and Israel. The Bible does not instruct us to keep the Sabbath which was given to Israel as a remembrance of their deliverance from Egypt. Without question it was a Jewish feast who to this day continue to keep the Sabbath. The primary focus of events of the seven year Tribulation are directed towards Israel and the coming promised Kingdom of the Messiah Jesus Christ. Church Age saints are not in view here anywhere in the seven year Tribulation.

those who enter Daniels 70th week and come to Jesus During those days,...Their salvation is conditional,...they must endure unto the end, and the same shall be saved.These are saved by faith that must be evidenced by their works of faith,...meaning that these were not saved by grace,...that these were not sealed of the Holy Spirit of promise when they first believed.
The reason why is because the Comforter no longer functions the same way as He did during the Church age,..Fore He was taken out of the way,..and since it is that the Holy spirit Indwells believers in the Church age,...then they too were caught up!(Taken out of the way)
The Holy Spirit did not indwell believers prior to the Day of Pentecost,..and as we can see,..the Holy Spirit will not be indwelling those who are left behind when the Rapture occurs.

You Quote:

God has not appointed us to wrath.......namely His wrath.  This is clearly indicated as about to begin at the 6th Seal.  The whole world goes dark for an unspecified amount of time.  The great ones of the earth hide in fear in the mountains. 

They say to the mountains and rocks, "Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb! 

"For the great day of His wrath has come, and who is able to stand."   (Sixth Seal Rev. 6: 12-17_


My Reply:
There are reasons for concluding that the cosmic disturbances related to the beginning of the Joel 3 Day of the Lord and the Second Coming of Christ immediately after the Great Tribulation are not the same as those of the sixth seal. First, the cosmic disturbances of Joel 3 will occur when the armies of the nations have gathered for war in Israel. Those armies will not begin to gather for war until the sixth bowl has been poured out (Rev. 16:12-16+), long after the sixth seal—one seal, seven trumpets, and five bowls after the cosmic disturbances of the sixth seal. . . . other cosmic disturbances will occur after those of the sixth seal. A third of the sun, moon, and stars will be darkened by the fourth trumpet (Rev. 8:12+); the sun will be darkened by smoke from the abyss at the fifth trumpet (Rev. 9:1-2+); the sun will scorch people on the earth with fire and fierce heat when the fourth bowl is poured out (Rev. 16:8-9+). . . . when the cosmic disturbances of the sixth seal take place, kings, military men, and all other classes of people will run to the caves and rocks of the mountains to hide. . . . By contrast, when the cosmic disturbances immediately before the Joel 3 Day of the Lord occur after the sixth bowl, the kings and military men will not run and hide. Rather, they will remain assembled together in battle array to boldly attempt war against God, His Messiah, and the holy angels (Ps. 2:1-3; Joel 3:9-16; Zec. 12:2-9; 14:1-6, 12-14).10
Isaiah tells us that in that day, not before the day, men will hide in holes of the rocks and caves.10 They are hiding from the terror of the LORD when He arises to shake the earth mightily. Their hiding is not anticipatory, but reactionary. In other words, the events of the sixth seal are part of the Day of the Lord.
Those with faith in Christ desire His presence and seek His face. (Ps. 17:15; Pr. 8:7; Isa. 45:19; Isa. 58:2; 65:1; Jer. 29:13; Amos 5:4).

revelation 6;17 is not a description of anticipation.....that would go against scripture.....it is that the Lord comes as a thief in the night to the unbelievers,...and the Bride will not be hiding from the Lord.16They called to the mountains and the rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!
Revelation 6:16–17 is a summary statement of all the previous seal judgments.
Revelation 6:15–17 is an overall report of the human response to God’s judgment as administered through all six seal judgments.The controlling verb in verse 17, “is come” (êlthen), “is aorist indicative, referring to a previous arrival of the wrath, not something that is about to take place”

You Quote:
God does not seal the 144,000 of Israel from harm prior to the First Seal.......but just prior to the 7th Seal.  That is because the First Seal is not God's wrath.........nor the 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, or 6th.  After the 144,000 are sealed from harm, a great multitude which no one can number from all the nations is discussed in heaven.  They can wear robes and have palm branches in their hands.  These are the Gentile Christians who have been caught up to heaven by angels just prior to God's wrath (7th Seal). 


My Reply:
The Sealing of the 144,000 I believe is not a sealing of protection.
In revelation 14,..we see the 144,000 in heaven ,and I believe these were martyred for the faith as were all the other saints.
I believe that the great Multitude,...the two witnesses and the 144,000 will witnesses to each other in the first half of Daniels 70th week unobstucted by the antichrist.
Power and authority is only given to the antichrist in the second half of the 70th week.

Revelation 7:3-4 “Do not harm the earth, nor the sea, nor the trees, until we seal the slaves of our God on their foreheads. And I heard the number of those having been sealed: one hundred forty four thousands, having been sealed out of every tribe of the sons of Israel.” Immediately after the opening of the sixth seal John reports the sealing of “the servants of God”, which numbered 144,000, and all are Jews. He does not say that 144,000 of God’s servants are sealed, he says the servants of God are sealed, and that there are 144,000 of them. Can there be any more believers in the world at this time, except those Jews? Where did we go?

http://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/0,1518,773071,00.html

Democratization Can't Save Europe

The Need for a Centralization of Power

An Essay by Herfried Münkler
AP


Despite the myriad problems currently facing the European Union, democratization is not the answer. Rather, the EU's elites need to improve -- and power has to be taken away from the periphery.

(snip)

Brussels, also the capital of Belgium, is particularly well suited to show that democracy does not automatically lead to the installation of capable elites. Since last summer's elections, Belgium's political parties have been unable to form a functioning new government. Belgium's democracy suffers from ethnic quotas and political parceling. It has long been incapable of reaching the most basic decisions. And, now, not even compromises are feasible.

Playing a Reckless Game

It is to be feared that a more extensive democratization of Europe would lead to a very similar situation because Europe is at least as diverse as Belgium on national and economic issues. Pushing for the democratization of Europe is akin to playing a reckless game that can quickly lead to European disintegration. Those who see democratization as a logical reaction to the crisis may not even be aware of this risk. They see democratization as an automatic reflex in response to the crisis. But democracy needs the kinds of conditions that do not exist in Europe today.

Europe was a project of the elites from the very beginning, but with the proviso that democratization would happen at the next available opportunity. Although Europe has had its share of Cairo moments throughout the history of the European Union -- moments when the time seemed right for more democratization -- the opportunity was never equally favorable throughout the entire union. And because an overall majority is not sufficient in this Europe, and convincing majorities would have been necessary in all member states, these opportunities were wasted. But the elites are not particularly proactive by nature, and they hesitated and took a wait-and-see approach -- an approach that was and still is partly a result of the institutional framework within which they operate. Not surprisingly, the few attempts to bring more democracy to Europe were half-hearted at best.

(snip)

Elites Are Keeping Europe Together

Those in favor of democratization respond that such a process is the only way to create a European people. This may be correct in principle, but it also requires the existence of both socioeconomic and political-cultural conditions that are certainly not in place at the moment, as is all too evident in the growing mistrust among Europeans during the euro crisis. Those who support democratization now are strengthening the centrifugal forces in Europe. Despite all mistakes and ineptitudes, it is the elites who are keeping Europe together. Rather than thinking about democratization, then, should we not be looking at ways to improve the capabilities of the elites instead?

(snip)

Hence, the central theme for the rebuilding of Europe is that the centrifugal forces arising from the ongoing sovereignty claims of the member states and the socioeconomic and cultural differences among the individual regions will not only be curbed, but will also be transformed into centripetal forces. In other words, Europe needs a strong and powerful center -- or it will fail...

Part 2: Time for the Center to Take Over from the Periphery

(snip)

Decline and Disintegration

There are undoubtedly numerous examples of serious failures of the elites at the European level. But the key issue is that these failures can only be corrected by the elites themselves, and that the attempt to compensate for the failures with forced democratization would lead to the disorderly disintegration of Europe...


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The Ten kings must become a developed fact before the antichrist can step onto the political arena of prophecy.(Daniel 7;
I believe that these ten will become a focal point in the news, after the Isaiah 17;1/Psalms 83 war.

According to what I understand,..it is possible that Enoch is Gentile(A respresentive of the whole Gentile race)....and Elijah we know for certain is a Jew(A representive of the whole Jewish race)........and the story about Moses is...God told Moses that he would die on his 120th birthday.
But yet,..Moses was in good health,..his eyes were not dim,..and it is believed by some that Moses was a representitive of the whole human race.It is believed that Moses died at the age of 120 years old because the 120 years were representive of 120 earth Jubulee's...which equals=6000 years that it was appointed for man to rule the earth.
Genesis 6:3
Then the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days will be a hundred and twenty years."

Joe 2:3 A fire devours before them, and behind them a flame burns; the land is as the garden of Eden before them, and behind them a desolate wilderness; yes, and none has escaped [the ravages of the devouring hordes].

My Reply:
For a long time before May 14, 1948 and in the early days when Israel was declared a nation,...the Land was desolate and barren.
But it was prophesied that Israel would become like the garden of Eden.
Ezekiel 36:35 (New King James Version)
35 So they will say, ‘This land that was desolate has become like the garden of Eden; and the wasted, desolate, and ruined cities are now fortified and inhabited.’

Also Joel 2;16 says:
Let the bridegroom leave his room

and the bride her chamber.

So it is at the time just moments before this invasion of Israel in the Ezekial 38 battle when the Rapture of the Bride would occur.

Also,...Joel 2;20
20“I will drive the northern army far from you,

pushing it into a parched and barren land,

with its front columns going into the eastern seab

and those in the rear into the western sea.c

And its stench will go up;

its smell will rise.”

This is a geographical description of Russia and surrounding nations.
When one reads Ezekial 38;15 King James Amplified bible,....It states that it is the power from the utter most north that attacks Israel.
If you were to draw a line beginning with Jerusalem drawing due north not moving a hair space to the left or right,...you will find that you have drawn a line straight thru Moscow Russia center for center!
Ezekial 39;11
Talks about that bad smell that you read here in Joel 2;20

11 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will give unto Gog a place there of graves in Israel, the valley of the passengers on the east of the sea: and it shall stop the noses of the passengers : and there shall they bury Gog and all his multitude: and they shall call it The valley of Hamongog.

When you read Ezekial 38;18-20
This is when the Day of the Lord begins, that continues throughout all of Daniels 70th week the Time of Jacobs trouble.
We all know that the Bride is caught up to meet the Lord in the air just prior to the beginning Day of The Lord.
Ezekial 38;18-20
which matches perfectly with revelation 6;14-17, Isaiah 2;19,
Joel 2
Take notice that this Ezekial 38 battle occurs when Israel and the World believes that they are dwelling safely.

Now,..the Lord could have described the flood in detail,...BUT! He did not! Instead He chose to point out a scenerio that they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark.Just as the world was saying "Peace and safety," destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.(i Thessalonians 5;3)Verse 4;16-17 occurs "BEFORE" verse 5;3
Ezekial 38...describes that the world was living in peace and Israel and the world was not expecting an attack against Israel which is also the time that God's FURY came up in His face, Gods Wrath had Been activated by this attack..It is the beginning of the "Day of the Lord"
The two women grinding at the mill,..a description of normal life,..The Lord added this description to make sure all the einstein's and little rose peddles, of the world clearly got the picture that He intended


What I am pointing out is that the Day of the Lord begins with Exekial 38;18-20....which matches with revelation 6;14-17.....and joel 2 and that the rapture(Caught Up) occurs just before Gods Wrath(Look at above description again)

Jesus is coming to take us home people,...Get Ready,..Whoo Hoo!