Jesus........being God in the flesh.........and our Creator.........can choose to call him whatever He wants to. 

Whatever the reason or cause, who cares! 

[the son of perdition]

Jhn 17:12 While I was with them in the world, I kept them in thy name: those that thou gavest me I have kept, and none of them is lost, but the son of perdition; that the scripture might be fulfilled. Why is Judas called the son of perdition? 

Wow! No takers!

I would much rather be led by the Holy Spirit than by a man and to drink of the waters that Jesus offers to us than the bitters from men.

Unfortunately, talk is cheap, and action speaks way louder than words. 

I can only lead a horse to water,  but I can't make him drink! The facts are the facts, and if they're not accepted, what can I do.  He who have ears to hear, will hear; and he who have eyes to see, will see! 

Which still is the same thing.

The point being, the sin against the holy spirit is possessing a familiar spirit, which is the "mark of the Beast!" It wasn't because they accused him of possessing a familiar spirit, but because possessing a familiar spirit is unforgivable!  That's what the "mark" and "blasphemy against the Holy Spirit" have in common, and why there're both unforgivable! 

[which is what is done by those that accept the mark of the beast.]

.  What is the difference between that and the accepting of and worshiping of an evil spirit that calls itself God, which is what is done by those that accept the mark of the beast.

There's no difference, that's the point! The "mark of the Beast" is "666," "the sixth sense", "ESP," the extra sensory perception thru a familiar spirit!

[Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.]

This is twice. This is a subject that needs to be approached with all seriousness not sarcasm nor personal attacks such as this.

Jesus' comments in Mat 12:31 were in response to the Pharisees calling the spirit by which He cast out devils as being "Beelzebub the prince of the devils." The Pharisees did reject the Holy Spirit which was presented to them as well as calling Him evil.

There are three different accounts in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, but Mark is more to the point:

Mar 3:28 Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: 
Mar 3:29   But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: 
Mar 3:30   Because they said, He hath an unclean spirit.

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Paul to Christians:  "For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ."


On the other hand, those who take the mark will be subject to God's wrath.......even prior to their deaths. 


"So the first went and poured out his bowl upon the earth, and a foul and loathsome sore came upon the men who had the mark of the beast and those who worshiped his image."    (Rev. 16: 2)

Would you believe me if I told you Rev. 16:2 happened in Egypt as one of Moses' plague?

huh? 

David james'
The unpardonable sin is rejecting Jesus.

David james 33:32

Care to post the exact verse? 

The unpardonable sin is rejecting Jesus.

David james 33:32

[does that make it the sin against the Holy Spirit?]

Your statement "some will be deceived" is not accurate...........as these were not real Christians to begin with.

If "mark" was rightly divided, there would be no need for Revelation's warning.

david749's

You do not become a Christian by merely calling yourself one......or claiming to be one.......or attending a church, etc.  Genuine Christians have turned their lives over to Christ and have been indwelt by the Holy Spirit.  God knows who they are.  See Romans Chp. 8. 

I agree, that's why I quoted 2Cor 11:12-15, some are "anti-christians" posing as Christians.

david749's

Taking the mark is not forgivable  (Rev 20: 4).

Thus the other part to my question that everybodies trying to avoid, does that make it the sin against the Holy Spirit?


david749's

Those true believers whose names are written in the Book of Life will neither marvel at the beast or worship him.     See Rev. 17: 8 and Rev. 13: 8

Their names are wiitten in the book of life because they didn't take the mark, not because their names were in the book from creation.

david749's

Is Christ your first love?     If not, I would advise praying earnestly to God to show you the truth about your current situation.      Mt 10: 37-38

Do you work for the CIA? I post on several websites, and I feel like I'm talking to the same person on all the different sites!

[so the question is not relevant.]

Those who are truly in Christ have the Holy Spirit living inside them.  God lives inside them.  It is therefore impossible for them to worship satan or anyone else.  They worship the Lord Jesus Christ......and will do so forever.  True believers would rather die than deny their Lord.    There will be no Christians taking the mark......so the question is not relevant. 

I think that's a personal opinion and not a fact, so I disagree.


david's

Jesus:   "My sheep hear My voice, and I know them, and they follow Me.  And I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish;  neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand.  My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all;  and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father's hand.  I and My Father are One."


Those who are not believers will be seduced by the man of evil and take the mark.........and will be lost forever. 

Some will be decieved:2Cr 11:12   But what I do, that I will do, that I may cut off occasion from them which desire occasion; that wherein they glory, they may be found even as we. 
2Cr 11:13   For such [are] false apostles, deceitful workers, transforming themselves into the apostles of Christ. 
2Cr 11:14   And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.
2Cr 11:15   Therefore [it is] no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. 
 

Psa 38:20 They also that render evil for good are mine adversaries; because I follow [the thing that] good [is].

You're a funny guy. Are you trolling? If so, your trolling will be short.

No, I'm just a funny guy. 

Did you give the punchline for the joke?

That would be the title.