Cmon!
Just look at all the negative posts. Look at the criticism. How can a movie about our Christ have so so many errors and heretical messages? Do you honestly believe that it was also appropriate to show Christ’s rump?

Gen 3: 10  He answered, "I heard you in the garden, and I was afraid because I was naked; so I hid."
Rev16: 15  "Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed."

Were they focuseing on his rump or the burily cloth?

[Petro]

Petro

I didnt realize we were argueing?I thought we were discuseing this?Just because you think we in the flesh are "perfect" and i dont,doent mean we are argueing.Think about that for a min.Can the Flesh be perfect?Iam not perfect!Do you claim to be?Please answer these questions?

jabez,

Iam sorry, I should not have siad that,  forigve me...


To answer your question, I wouldn't make the claim that I could ever be perfect while I live in this body, and I know this is because of a lack of Faith on my part.

The promises of God are given to us that we may grasp them by faith, and by Faith nothing is impossible with God.

Gods Word seems to imply that men who believe God in this life are viewed and can be perfect.

Now, I already quote some previous verses, but Note;

Eph 4
10  He that descended is the same also that ascended up far above all heavens, that he might fill all things.)
11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
14  That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;
15  But speaking the truth in love, may grow up into him in all things, which is the head, even Christ:


It is clear to me that this scripture is not speaking of Jesus, but the members of the body.....corporately.

Blessings,

Petro

Theres no need to forgive,i hold nothing against you.I appreciate you following up with me on this.Thank you!Also i agree with the verses you have stated,but i beleive the final perfection will be when Jesus calls us home and our bodies are changed.

[desire spiritual gifts]

Those that believe that they must have a gift in order to do the work of the ministry are greatly diminishing the value of the Word of God. The Bible is the one perfect gift of God that today allows us to carry out the work of the ministry. In order to function as mature believers, established in the faith, we must stop seeking after the gifts, which have passed away, and start using the gift of God's Word.

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1 Corinthians 14:1
Follow after charity, and desire spiritual gifts, but rather that ye may prophesy.
2For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.

[Petro]

Petro

I didnt realize we were argueing?I thought we were discuseing this?Just because you think we in the flesh are "perfect" and i dont,doent mean we are argueing.Think about that for a min.Can the Flesh be perfect?Iam not perfect!Do you claim to be?Please answer these questions?

[Perfect]

Perfect-without flaw or fault

We know when Moses got the 10 commandments,that the people had to be taught them,they had to see them with there eyes,and those ones that were not taught them heard them from a neigbor.The Laws were not written on there hearts at that time.Now in this time the the Laws are written on our hearts.We dont need someone to tell us it is wrong to kill someone,for we already know it is wrong to do that,by how we feel.(The Holy Spirit dwells in us)The same can be said of the other laws aswell.

I didnt see it this way until i spoke with a freind about this.

Petro

What do you think?

[offering]

Petro,

We will not be perfect until Jesus returns.
Hebrews 10:14 For by one offering he hath perfected for ever them that are sanctified.

1.Can we agree Jesus is Perfect?
2.Can we agree Jesus is the Perfect Offering?
3.Can we agree that we are not Perfect?

We know when Moses got the 10 commandments,that the people had to be taught them,they had to see them with there eyes,and those ones that were not taught them heard them from a neigbor.The Laws were not written on there hearts at that time.Now in this time the the Laws are written on our hearts.We dont need someone to tell us it is wrong to kill someone,for we already know it is wrong to do that,by how we feel.(The Holy Spirit dwells in us)The same can be said of the other laws aswell.

I didnt see it this way until i spoke with a freind about this.

1 Corinthians13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

I beleive the Perfect to be Jesus.

Isaiah 60:19 The sun shall be no more thy light by day; neither for brightness shall the moon give light unto thee: but the LORD shall be unto thee an everlasting light, and thy God thy glory.

[Jeremiah 31:34]

Jeremiah 31:34
And (2)they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

This is about the New Covenant right?Can someone explain this to me,because men are still teaching..Thanks

What do you say?

[perfect is come]

Petro

I know you read that thread,but did you read it all?

1 Corinthians13:10
But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.

The Perfect has not come yet.Are you saying Paul knew there was going to be a NT as we know it?

It was GREAT!

["perfection"]

All of the evidence indicates that the "perfection" which Paul described is our transformation from mortal, corruptible bodies to perfect, immortal, incorruptible bodies. There is no suggestion in any of these verses, nor anywhere else in Scripture, that the completed New Testament is the "perfection" which Paul spoke of.

Paul said that certain spiritual gifts will only cease when perfection comes, meaning that we will no longer need these gifts after we are raptured and we receive our perfect, glorified bodies. Since the Rapture has not yet happened, all of the gifts of the Spirit are still functioning in the body of Christ, including tongues. This means that God still wants us to be empowered by the Holy Spirit for our own personal ministries just as Jesus and the apostles and the early Christians were. There are no other passages anywhere in the New Testament which tell us that any gifts of the Spirit will ever "die out."

["perfection"]

 All of the evidence indicates that the "perfection" which Paul described is our transformation from mortal, corruptible bodies to perfect, immortal, incorruptible bodies. There is no suggestion in any of these verses, nor anywhere else in Scripture, that the completed New Testament is the "perfection" which Paul spoke of.

Paul said that certain spiritual gifts will only cease when perfection comes, meaning that we will no longer need these gifts after we are raptured and we receive our perfect, glorified bodies. Since the Rapture has not yet happened, all of the gifts of the Spirit are still functioning in the body of Christ, including tongues. This means that God still wants us to be empowered by the Holy Spirit for our own personal ministries just as Jesus and the apostles and the early Christians were. There are no other passages anywhere in the New Testament which tell us that any gifts of the Spirit will ever "die out."