Hi Tim, thanks for the welcome on other post.

The proof is in the taste(fruit) of the pudding, not in the looks (various interpretations of it).

Every man thinks they interperet the scriptures correctly, but truth is proven by her children. If we deny the teaching that produced the fruit, then we will be ever reinventing the wheel.
Im not talking about so called numbers of salvations, but genuine revival, where sinners in the work place and taverns felt the conviction of sin without any preacher, and crawled into churches to find relief and obtained peace with God through Jesus Christ.
Im talking about whole cities being 80 % converted to God, and taverns, dance halls, theatres and police were out of work due to lack of demand, not through protest or law enforcement.

Please dont think you convince anyone by quoting scripture alone. True all scripture is God breathed and useful for teaching and correction, but quoting does not prove it has been rightly divided. God bless. Arthur

  i think the pots got enough left for atleast one more stir ?

Can a Satanist be a Christian? obviously not !!. Likewise what ever you call yourself, that is what you are.

Likewise if i call myself a Mormon,JW,RCC etc.

Caution: to Christians who label themselves by a denomination rather than as Christ`. Mostly i have been involved in the Apostolic denomination, but i have never been an Apostolic. Get my drift ?

  just a late entry from a newbie, i read the first page but skipped to here so, 70x7  if i tread on any toes.

A denomination is just a name, its whats inside that counts. I used to dislike the use of names untill i saw that a name allows me to know where an idea or statement had originated from, and therefore who should be accredited or discredited.
Paul said "follow me as i follow Christ", and in my walk i have learnt that some names teach things that are bettter avoided and others are helpful. However if i repeat their teaching, it is dishonest if i do not also give credit to the author.

I.E A famous preacher/revivalist proved by his theology (sin is voluntary), his ministry (1/2 million souls won) and life (blameless till death), that God will and does send revival when we fulfill His conditions 2 chron 7:14, and so i now trust the name of this preacher. But others also who teach that sin is inherited from Adam (i.e born sinful), and sin reigns in their churches, ministries and lives, those i have learnt to avoid unless they are open to repentance.

So you see names are useful and sometimes those that wish to remain anominous just want to hide behind their anomiity. " he who seperates himself wants to go his own way" Proverbs.... sorry cant remember where it is.

Hi from NZ i can fully understand your frustratration James re above post, experiencing angry thoughts. Righteous anger is right and natural, but anger that is ill placed and lacking control, is from our heart that needs to be reckoned crucified with Christ, and made new with His ressurection.
For a clearer understanding, google Victory from sin by Rev Earnest O Neil.

Brothers and Sisters correct me if i err, but after 18 yrs a Christian and of trying to suppress the sin in my heart, it was a great relief when Jesus called me a " white washed Tombstone (or Grave site) ". I always thought Jesus was denouncing the Pharissee`s in a harsh critical voice, but now i see he was trying to tell them , that they like all of us have a heart that is " wicked decietful "and full of the bones of others we have killed in angry thoughts etc.
If we try to cover it up (say that we can see) then we are blinded, but if we admit our heart is beyond repair and needs replacing, then we can be helped and God can circumcise us with a new heart.

The Gospel really is " Good News " but i had begun to withdraw into unbelief and despair because of the sin i saw in my heart that i could only push down but never get victory over, yet i was " Born again ". You see when we first get saved by faith in Christ (Justification) the heart gets dealt a savage blow, but it gradually regroups and gets stronger if we do not get a new heart by faith (sanctification).

Got to go to work, hope to pick this later and the original intent of my post, which was to speak of divorce remarriage issue. Bye Arthur.