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1  Theology / Debate / Re: Once Saved Always Saved??? on: December 27, 2008, 09:49:05 PM
Sure I understand that we can not do any work to save ourselves, we cant die for ourselves. Christ died once for our sin and threw his work we can be saved. I disagree that we can still sin if we are truly saved by grace. I believe grace saves us once we have repented from sin.

How does a person twist the scripture's around to fit there own believes?

The bible tells us the truth and the truth is you cannot sin if you are born of god. 

The law is for sinners and if you don't sin your not under the law.

I just read the bible and the bible said if I am saved by grace I cannot sin. Now "man" tells me I can.

I will believe Gods word before man's.

Now I am open to discussion on this matter. If you will use the bible and prove that you can sin and be born of god.
2  Theology / Debate / Re: Once Saved Always Saved??? on: December 26, 2008, 02:25:20 PM
Elijah101
That is how I see it also, If be a new creature of god, then the old man sin is dead and buried, then we are born into a new creature that does not sin.
By faith we can do this. This is our hope to become a new creature. And Christ is the door way.


3  Theology / Debate / Re: Once Saved Always Saved??? on: December 26, 2008, 01:15:02 PM
I have read that once you are born of god you cannot sin.
26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
 27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:26-27
If we come to christ and really be born of god then we confess our sins, because we have the knowledge to know what the sin is that we have repented from. 

1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound?
2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?
 3 , that so many of us as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized into his death?
Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into death: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so we also should walk in newness of life
Romans 6:1-4

And by saying this grace only covers sin if we are dead in our sins. And if be dead from sin how can we live in sin anymore.


12 Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
13 Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
Romans 6:12-13
If we walk in the spirit and not in the flesh then sin will not rule us.

17 But if, while we seek to be justified by Christ, we ourselves also are found sinners, is therefore Christ the minister of sin? God forbid.
Gal 2:17

 I read if we are truly born of god we cannot sin.

Now Iam not trying to start a fight and be a trouble maker. I know all have sinned and come short, and if we say we have not sinned then we deceive ourselves. What I am saying is that Christ's blood is covering for our sins, and made a way for us to repent from our sins but not to remain in sin.


4  Theology / Debate / Re: Once Saved Always Saved??? on: December 25, 2008, 01:06:58 PM
ARE YOU SAYING THAT ONCE YOU EXCEPT CHRIST AS YOU SAVIOR YOU ARE SAVED NO MATTER WHAT EVEN IF YOU STILL SIN?



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