Tom,

As I thought I made clear, my interest here is to discuss scripture and doctrine, not people and denominations. Is this asking too much when coming to a forum called "ChristiansUnite"? To me that testifies to having an unbiased focus beneficial to Christians of all denominations. Is it possible for penacostals and charasmatics to focus the discussion on the gifts of the Spirit without being compared to Benny Hinn and Jim Jones?

Aparantly not!

Have I tried to defend Benny Hinn or anyone else here? NO!  Have I linked to any websites or cut and pasted anything from anyone elses theology. NO! So why on earth are you preaching to me about Hinn?

You are at liberty to quote any of my posts to show to all people involved that I have said anything about Benny Hinn or shown any interest in promoting him (ignoring my reply to that silly provocation, of course). You will find NOTHING!

You are entitled to your opinion of anyone you want, but when I am trying to discuss Biblical doctrine I don't appreciate having the discussion thrown off just because people have opinions about this man or because they don't like my posts and want to frustrate the discussion.  

I never expected you to like my contribution to this thread, or that I did it publically, but I am suprised by your attempt to brush off my criticism by doing exactly what your friends have been doing - moving the focus over to Benny Hinn.

OK Tom, I'll follow your advice and let you "win the argument".

I have had it here... you say whatever you want. What chance does anyone stand here when the moderator lets his own feelings about one man interfere with his judgment?

Tom,

I don't know who these troll are, but from my point of view there are other trolls here (I won't mention names but I think you know who I am referring to) who just paste in doctrine from their favorite web sites, submit disruptive posts that have nothing to do with the subject begin discussed, and make ad-hominem attacks without as much as a word or warning from you.

I too am not innocent and have recently allowed myself to be provoked, despite the fact that in the two years I have debated on Christian forums I have put a great deal of thought into how a Christian should respond without being offensive.

I admire your desire to uphold the general idea of this forum and your humility, but since I come here to discuss scripture and doctrine I feel very frustrated when threads are being ruined without any intervention from you.

You speak out when trolls cause trouble when the message is something you disagree with, but say absolutely nothing when the trolls are those who you agree with ideologically. That's the way it looks to me anyway.

I'm not asking you to take sides when things get heated or discussions are being derailed, but sometimes it doesn't hurt to have a moderator who takes measures to promote healthy discussion and disuade disruption. This thread is a good start, I suppose, but a lot more needs to be done.

/Yours in Christ, 3wells.

Yo, 3wells, dont get your undies in a bundle. A4C and BL are your brothers in Christ,  show some respect.

If we are all brothers in christ then why are you critisizing me alone?

Can you show me anywhere where these two have shown respect?

Is this your idea of respect:

"We should be like you and Benny Hinn"

"And maybe I will start up on own T.V. show on TBN I will call it The Goose-Bump Hour"

"Brother Love, I think 3 wells is Jim Jones, be careful, dont drink the Kool-Aid."

"3wells your in that seat, is it HOT?
Are you a Sunday School Teacher at the AOG?"

I'm not here to discuss Benny Hinn, TBN or AOG. There are already enough threads for people who want to spit on them. I am interested in discussing what scripture does and does not say. Is it impossible to do that without having the focus thrown off by people who want to suppress the truth?

Take a look at the thread "Spiritual Gifts" and read the last page (page 5). I carefully went though the arguments put forth by Sower and addressed them with scripture. They did their very best to sabotage that entire thread to get the focus off scripture and turn it into a sandpit.

I know I made some mistakes, and I regret giving way to their provocation, but if you look back at all that has been posted the past few days then you will see where it started, and that for the most part I have been trying to discuss the topic at hand. If someone asks me something then I try to always answer it in sincerity. Refusing to answer is disrespectful. They could at least have said that they don't know the answer, don't you think?

[mystery of the gospel]

Three times Paul uses the word MY

Romans 16:25 (KJV)

25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began,

Romans 2:16 (KJV)

16 In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to MY gospel.
2 Tim 2:8 (KJV)
8 Remember that Jesus Christ of the seed of David was raised from the dead according to MY gospel:

The Resurrection is the Power of GOD!

Paul uses the word MY three times. That's true. But what did he mean by it?

If we look at what Paul wrote in its entirety it is clear that he is not speaking about having a gospel completely separate and different from Peter's or anyone else's gospel. If that were the case then these people would be eternally condemned.

What Paul is referring to is the revelation of the mystery of the gospel which he received in greater detail than the others.

"25 Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to MY gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, "

And what is this mystery?

"This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus."

Note that four times Peter, at Pentecost indicated that he was addressing only Jews, or Israelites. Are you a Jew living in the age of Israel? Then this is for you! But if you are a Jew or a Gentile living in the Dispensation of Grace then what Paul had to say is for you.

Note that later on in Acts, Peter was shown that his "Gospel for the Jews only" idea was incorrect. What you are saying is the opposite - that his gospel was for the Jews only! Peter came to his senses when God showed him his misconception. Why not you?

When interpreting scripture the audience to which the speaker/author directs his words is of secondary importance. If that was the case then Paul could hardly have been your apostle, because he wasn't writing to you. Listen to what Peter says about prophecy of scripture:

"Above all, you must understand that no prophecy of Scripture came about by the prophet's own interpretation. For prophecy never had its origin in the will of man, but men spoke from God as they were carried along by the Holy Spirit."

In other words, if we focus on the thoughts of the prophet himself instead of what the Holy Spirit is indicating to subsequent generations then we will miss what God is saying to us.

[kingdom of God]

Something like this maybe:

"For the kingdom of God is not a matter of talk but of .... power."

Ok, but maybe there are issues besides TBN and what you think of Benny Hinn, etc. So:

1. Does that mean that all prophecies spoken after the book of Revelations was finished are false?

2. Does it mean that such prophecies add to the Word of God and that such prophecies would show that the Word of God is incomplete?

sav lasav sav lasav / kav lakav kav lakav

Thanks for the complement. Coming from someone who doesn't seem to do much more than make cheap cracks and degrading comments intended to mock and slander other people.. I find it very hypocritical.

So... if you don't mind I thing you have a few unanswered questions:

1. Does that mean that all prophecies spoken after the book of Revelations was finished are false?

2. Does it mean that such prophecies add to the Word of God and that such prophecies would show that the Word of God is incomplete?

That's right Tibby, it makes a pretty messy forum for discussion doesn't it?

All they do is paste in their own propaganda and ignore everyone else.

Well... I guess that answers my question...

So maybe you can answer them? Or are you going to follow suit and make up some silly way to avoid them?

Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?"

Some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much wine."

Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.

He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither.
Whatever he does prospers.

Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.

Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.

Blessed is the man who does not walk in the counsel of the wicked or stand in the way of sinners or sit in the seat of mockers.

But his delight is in the law of the LORD, and on his law he meditates day and night.

He is like a tree planted by streams of water, which yields its fruit in season and whose leaf does not wither.
Whatever he does prospers.

Not so the wicked! They are like chaff that the wind blows away.

Therefore the wicked will not stand in the judgment, nor sinners in the assembly of the righteous.

For the LORD watches over the way of the righteous, but the way of the wicked will perish.