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1  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re: The pre-wrath rapture on: June 29, 2007, 11:46:39 PM
You are perfectly correct in what you have written brother Royo. I also believe and teach the prewrath doctrine.
 
I believed in the pretrib doctrine for years, but could never understand where a lot of the pillars of the doctrine came from. I had many questions but no one including the pretrib scholars could answer. They did answer but their answers were, and are, assumptions and not found in the bible.

The only place that clearly tells us that we will be here when the great tribulation starts is 2 tess. 2:2... The pretribbers uses an assumption to force fit that passage to their doctrine.

John was told to write what he saw and he saw elders, beasts, a lamb, and God on his throne. He also saw a sea of glass like crystal in front and around the  throne but he did not see untold millions of raptured saints. Were they invisible? We are told that after the rapture we will always be with the Lord but John didn't see us?

Later he sees a multitude of folks on that sea of glass and they are supposed to have been killed by the antichrist at a time when God has put a great deception on earth?

Peter warned the church to be ready in the last days because they were going to face a fiery trial.

1pe 4:12 Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing haphappenedned unto you:

1pe 4:13 But rejoice, inasmuch as ye are partakers of Christ's sufferings; that, when his glory shall be revealed, ye may be glad also with exceeding joy.

1pe 5:4 And when the chief Shepherd shall appear, ye shall receive a crown of glory that fadeth not away.

Re 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book: Re 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

All end time prophecy fits perfectly with a chronological order of the seals,  trumpets, and bowls, and the pre and post doctrines must shift the order of events in order to make them fit  their doctrine. I would not dare change one thing in the book of Revelation, or Matthew 24.
The sixth chapter of Revelation and Matthew were both given by Christ and they are parallel passages. The apostles celebrated the first Lord's supper the following night after the Matthew 24 was given to the church the day before. So the apostles were the first fruits of the church.

Joh 20:22 And when he had said this, he breathed on them, and saith unto them, Receive ye the Holy Ghost:
Christ cuts the Great tribulation short by rapturing the church and ending the Great tribulation short. The antichrist has no one against him except those hiding in Petra.

The pre trib doctrine teaches that the wrath of God begins at the beginning of Daniel's seventieth week but the bible does not support that teaching. The Lord alone is exalted when the wrath of God begins. The devil begins gathering up his deamons and armys to fight the Lord when he returns at the end of the seventieth week. The antichrist is active during the fist half of the seventieth week and at the mid point of the week Satan enters the antichrist and the great tribulation begins.


Believe the order of events just like they are written and be sure that all passages will fit smoothly into a straight chronological order of the seals, trumpets, and bowls. The bowls are against the world and not against Israel, and they are powered out on the naions after the seventieth week ends. Christ willl be on earth during the pouring out of the bowls.
I wellcome any and all attempts to disprove the prewrath doctrine.
PS: The wrath that the church is not appointed unto is God's wrath and we are going to have to endure Satan's wrath during the great tribulation.
 I have only presented a crumb of information, and could write many pages on the end times, but I am a very old man and don't like to argue with people that puts doctrines ajead of truth.



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