Islam is growing and I feel it necessary that many Christians be aware of the danger that it poses- I am coming from a chat forum that is called Shiachat.com its very very pro Islamic and they hate Christians there- There are few Christians in this chatroom and they defend the faith however we need people w/great apologetic skills to help us out. They misinterpret and make shallow demands, as a brother in the faith I want some of you guys to go and help us out....please

Here's a link to the Islam/Christianity Dialogue- Check it out and see the outrageous claims....
http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?showforum=4

WE NEED YOUR HELP!

Studies have found that the temporal lobes in the brain have a lot to do w/experincing religious or spiritual experiences.

Currently I have read in chat rooms and forums that an atheist can use this to his advantage.

I was thinking about it, and thought maybe this is proof of God more that anything else. Man is in a state of sin, we are degenerated, we are constantly in imperfection and more and more we are sinners that would mean that we have lost our perfection, that also means that we have been separated from God. Man has the ability to choose God, and sin has provided the way to get away from him. So we are sinners lost in this world, from perfection to imperfection we have gone, Adam and Eve at the fall had interaction w/God like me talking on the phone w/my cousin, is it not possible that this part of the brain at some point was used to have full contact w/the divine, that God input this that we may be able to literally contact him or even step into the spiritual at times. What if when as Christians we believe in resurrected bodies that the temporal lobes will actually be what will lead us into the spiritual w/God. What if the devil uses these temporal lobes to fool other humans into believing other spiritual lies. i.e. Islam/Bhuddism/Hinduism/Onenss. I am basing this on my very very limited understanding of the subject I am not a neurotheologian but it makes sense.

What if atheists don't believe because of the inaction in the temporal lobes because of the degenaration since the fall?

Hmmmmmmm....remember I am very limitied in my knowledge but I find it very interesting. Tell me what you think of my hypothesis.

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When you read that passage take it into context he was probable mentioning sin and how it first came into the world Eve was the first to be deceived and Adam next but because Adam represented all of humanity sin was attributed to Adam. It was probably referring to who was first deceived because its probably talking about sin.

I answered the first six- I dont have that much time on my hands right but I will try my best, Also when looking for contradictions make sure to read in the context. Hopefully you aren't just cutting and pasting.

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1. Matthew 28:1 states two women (Mary Magdalene, and the other Mary) came to the tomb; Mark 16:1 states it was three women (Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome); Luke 24:10 agrees it was three women but gives a different list of three than Mark (Mary Magdalene and Joanna and Mary the mother of James); John 20:1 states it was only Mary Magdalene.


 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre. Matthew 28:1


And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that they might come and anoint him. Mark 16:1

It was Mary Magdalene, and Joanna, and Mary the mother of James, and other women that were with them, which told these things unto the apostles. Luke 24:10

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. John 20:1

Lets suppose that I am at a party and you call and ask who all is there I tell you John Mark Matthew and then you call Mark and he tells you Mathew John and Paul are there- Because I failed to mention Paul does that mean he wasn't there- In other words because the others never said and ONLY Mary Magdalene went they could have just not mentioned the other women - There's no contradicition here son.

2. Mark 16:2 states "the sun had risen" at the time of this visit, while John 20:1 states "it was still dark."

And very early in the morning the first day of the week, they came unto the sepulchre at the rising of the sun Mark 16:2
The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.
John 20:1

It could have been early morning 'at the rising of the sun' when it was still dark. No contradiction.
3. Matthew 28:2 says "an angel" "came and rolled away the stone and sat upon it"; Mark 16:5 says the women encountered "a young man sitting at the right" of the tomb (rather than upon the stone); Luke 24:4 says they saw "two men" who "suddenly stood near them in dazzling clothing"; in John 20:1, Mary Magdalene saw nothing other than a moved stone.

And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it. Matthew 28:2

And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a young man sitting on the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted. Mark 16:5

And it came to pass, as they were much perplexed thereabout, behold, two men stood by them in shining garments: Luke 24:4

The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre. John 20:1

Let me show you what I think- There was one man on the stone one sitting next to it and in Luke both men are mentioned and in John there is an absence of men but it never says no one was there. None of the stories say there was ONLY one man or ONLY two men or it says and there was no one there - THere is no contradiction here either.

4. There is also a discrepancy as to whatever dialogue occurred between this angel(s) or man (men) and the women: Matthew 28:5-7 and Mark 16:6-7 generally agree the women were told that Jesus (pbuh) had risen, and instructed to advise the disciples that "He has risen from the dead; and behold, He is going ahead of you into Galilee, there you will see Him" (Matthew 28:7), and ; Luke 24:6-7 contains no instruction to advise the disciples about an appearance by Issa in Galilee.

And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
6 He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.
7 And go quickly, and tell his disciples that he is risen from the dead; and, behold, he goeth before you into Galilee; there shall ye see him: lo, I have told you.  Matthew 28:5-7

And he saith unto them, Be not affrighted: Ye seek Jesus of Nazareth, which was crucified: he is risen; he is not here: behold the place where they laid him.
7 But go your way, tell his disciples and Peter that he goeth before you into Galilee: there shall ye see him, as he said unto you. Mark 16:6-7

Because they contain no instructions doesnt mean the angel didn't tell him anything- Look if the gospels were exactly the same then why would we need four?




5. To whom did Jesus (pbuh) appear first: Mary Magdalene and the other Mary as Matthew 28:9 claims? Mary Magdalene only as Mark:16:9 claims? Cephas (Peter) and then the other disciples, as 1 Corinthians 15:5 claims? Matthew 28:9 claims that Issa (Jesus) (pbuh) appeared before the women even had reported to the disciples what the found (or didnt) at the tomb. Also in Mark 16:9 the appearance to Mary Magdalene was before Mary made any report to the disciples. However, John and Luke report no appearance before the women  reported an empty tomb to the disciples.

And as they went to tell his disciples, behold, Jesus met them, saying, All hail. And they came and held him by the feet, and worshipped him. Matthew 28:9

Now when Jesus was risen early the first day of the week, he appeared first to Mary Magdalene, out of whom he had cast seven devils. Mark 16:9

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
5 And that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve:
6 After that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. 1 Corinthians

THIS DOES NOT SAY ANYTHING OF HIM SEEING JESUS FIRST!

Think about that whole ONLY thing I mentioned earlier take that into account and the Corinthians never mentioned him appearing to Peter "first".

6. Which disciples went to the tomb: Peter alone (Luke 24:12)? Peter and John (John 20:2-8)? Did the disciples believe the reports of the women (or woman) and proceed to Galilee, as Matthew 28:16 claims? Or did they disbelieve these reports as Mark 16:11 and Luke 24:11 claim?  


Then arose Peter, and ran unto the sepulchre; and stooping down, he beheld the linen clothes laid by themselves, and departed, wondering in himself at that which was come to pass. Luke 24:12

Again it doesnt say ONLY Peter went just because it didn't mention John doesnt mean he wasn't there. I'm getting tired of your bias it isn't working when it comes to contradictions.

You sound like a radical muslim taking conspiracy theories as true.