Yay for Jesus!!!  

If regular members had a say, then I would vote with you blackeyedpeas.

Still spreading love around I see.  

And if you weren't telling him to go to Hell, what exactly does this mean?

[Have it your way, Bep.  Go for it.  God will hand you over to the logical outcome of your present way of thinking.

Have a nice trip.]

Obviously I wasn't the only one who "mistranslated" it. Maybe you should use a better translation so we don't get confused.  

WOW!! gotcha104, I can't believe you just told Blackeyedpeas to go to Hell. I have absolutely no respect for you.

What I find truly sad about the KJV only movement is that Christians not only get attacked by nonbelievers but by fellow Christians as well. I don't feel like I should have to defend my faith against a fellow believer for reading the Bible, it just sounds so , idiotic.

Hi Allinall, thanks for your comments.  I, in turn, would like to make a few observations about what you say here.

I agree with you that God is sovereign and that He has promised to preserve His words here on this earth in a Book.  Do you deny this?  It seems from your remarks that you do not believe in the preservation of God's words.  If I am wrong in this, please correct my misunderstanding.


You criticize the KJB believer saying: "They put question into the minds of those who never had questions, and had never been led astray."

Brother, (I'm assuming you are a "he"), it is the modern version promoters who are now the ones who are openly stating that "NO Bible is Inerrant or Inspired".  All the recent polls show that belief in the inerrancy of Scripture is fast fading all over the world.  God is sovereign. I completely agree.  And God Himself has predicted in His word that the last days will be characterized by a falling away from the faith, and that many will turn away their ears from the truth and will be turned unto fables.  This is happening now and no one is going to stop it.


It is an undeniable fact that most Christians today know very little about The Bible and hardly ever read it.  The pendulum is swinging towards a mystical, subjective, and all inclusive New Age type of watered down Christianity.  

God doesn't "need" me or other KJB defenders for anything.  But I believe He has called me to defend the truth of an inerrant and pure Holy Bible in the face of the modern apostasy of unbelief.  I don't care whether you think I am right or wrong about this.  I'll leave it up to God and I'm sure He will let me know one way or the other very soon.


And Yes we do claim that several doctrines are being perverted in all the modern multiple-choice and contradicting versions - but part of the falling away from the faith includes "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine" - 2 Timothy 4:3.

The absolute Truth is found in EVERY VERSE of the King James Bible.  All modern versions pervert Truth in several individual verses.  If it is not 100% truth, then it is a false witness.  This is God's Standard, not mine.

You then say:  "News flash: the 1611 translators were Catholic for the most part if not in their entirety!  You would trust the work of a doctrinal approach you deny while arguing the theology from whence it came?"

Allinall, this is unmitigated BALONEY.  How you could possibly speak such a bald faced Lie as this is utterly amazing.  By the way, I do not defend the KJB translators, though they were heads and shoulders above any group of men that could be assembled today.  But to say they were Catholic is beyond all reason.  In addition to this, I do believe there are some Catholics who are true born again, redeemed by the blood of the Lamb children of God - and this, in spite of their false church.  I likewise by no means believe that every professing Protestant or Evangelical is a true Christian just because he/she makes a profession of faith.  

Brother, the central issue is this.  Is there such a thing as an inerrant, complete, 100% true Holy Bible on this earth or not?

What is clearly happening in the Christian church, is that more and more professing Christians no longer believe ANY BIBLE or any text in any language IS NOW the inerrant and wholly true words of God.  Apparently God has lied to us and His words are not true after all.

All you guys with no infallible Bible keep giving us your theories and pious sounding phrases about "good and reliable translations", but none of you comes right out and tells us exactly where we can find The 100% True Holy Bible today.

Instead, each of you sets up his own mind as his final authority, and each of your favorite versions or mystical bibles that exist solely in your own imaginations, differs from all the others.  "In those days there was no king in Israel; every man did that which was right in his own eyes."


Will K

I would like to repeat that there are people, pastors and preachers general Christians etc.  who take the word of God, no matter which version, KJV included, and twist it to fit their purpose. It doesn't really matter WHICH version is being read, if you are TWISTED and CORRUPT, you are twisted and corrupt. Period. I have seen fellow Christians who are more spirit-filled reading the NIV then a lot of people I've seen reading the KJV, and vice versa. The falling away isn't caused by the translation they are reading, IT'S CAUSED BY THE STATUS OF THEIR HEARTS. I sincerely hope you realize this.

I wear pants, womens pants!!  

I don't attend this Church and haven't for many years, this was just one of the reasons why. The pastor was also preaching from the pulpit that if you were reading any but the KJV you were a Satan worshipper, especially NIV. I just wanted to know if this was another thing that the KJV onlyists were in agreement on and were preaching.

The thing that made me so angry about the pant issue was this, The pastors wife came to ME and asked me if I would please work in the nursery the following week, I said sure. So because I was going to be in with a bunch of infants and toddlers, I decided to wear baggy dress pants and a sleeveless button up blouse as it was summer time. And a pair of sandals. First off, I was the first one there and everyone was about 20 minutes late. I had no idea what to do and parents were bringing their children in. I told them I was new, first day and would they mind waiting until the "real" nursery workers came in. So the nursery was full of parents and children. The pastors wife comes in and tells me in front of everyone that I was going to have to leave and come back the following week. I said, why? She said because I was wearing pants and they were not allowed by women to wear. So she embarrassed me in front of all of these parents, and that was the first time I've ever been told by any Church that pants are not to be worn by women. I was livid. I went and told my husband who was in Church that I was leaving with or without him. We left and went home. I had told her I wasn't going to work in the nursery after that. The next week is when the pastor started on the KJV thing. I never went back.

So my next question would be this. Would you take that to mean that the Church I was attending was twisting Gods word to fit their "doctrine"? That no woman was allowed to own or wear pants?

It was Deuteronomy 22:5.

Also I read that thread, but it didn't give a Bible passage reference.

The only verse I know of is this one:

The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the LORD thy God.

And just to be fair, I took it from KJV, even though I prefer NIV.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

I thought the definition of a parted garment meant ............pants.

"parted garment"??   Which verse is this??


   

I'm curious about this also, I've never seen that.

I know that God said that women are not to dress as men and vice versa, but I believe that that means to pass ones self off as the opposite sex. Unless when it referred to mens robes it meant pants? I know that women are not supposed to dress sexy to attract attention to ones self, but that was not my question, my question was whether women are not allowed to own or wear pants. The KJV onlyist Church that I was attending that was saying anything other than KJV Bible, was also saying that women are not to wear or even own pants. I guess women should go back to riding side saddle or just not ride a horse? or scrub the floor on her hands and knees in her sunday best? I know this sounds silly, but I just don't see anywhere in the Bible that it says women are not allowed to wear pants, unless they are trying to look like a man.

[No! I never said that the KJV was incorrect,I simply said that there Might be the possibility of improvement.]

I highlighted the contradictions. I would just like to make this perfectly clear.You said this:
No! I never said that the KJV was incorrect,I simply said that there Might be the possibility of improvement.

Then you said this:
The KJV is perfect,purified 7 times.

And this:
The KJV "IS" the "VERY" words of God.Perfect and purified.

I would like to point out that perfection means without flaw, and has no need for improvement, as it is PERFECT already. So if the KJV can have room for improvement, then it isn't the perfect and pure word of God. You argue about something that is not only ridiculous, but it's going to get to the point where you are going to get fanatical, (I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt that this hasn't happened yet) and you are actually going to TURN non-believers away from God with your fanaticism. And you may even turn believers away from God also. I have seen first hand how far KJV onlyists can go with their fanaticism and it is ugly. You should take your eyes off of an earthly king and turn them back to the Heavenly one, my friend.  

[No! I never said that the KJV was incorrect,I simply said that there Might be the possibility of improvement.]

The Holy Bible would and does exist now WITHOUT the KJV.[/b]Quote]
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No! I never said that the KJV was incorrect,I simply said that there Might be the possibility of improvement.There are various valid words or synonyms that can mean the same in some instances.Plus the KJV is the final improvement upon all of the valid English versions that use the Majority 99% text.

But God has seen fit to leave it as such,despite what I or others think.Besides,I would never change a word,disobeying God's words.The KJV is the final purified Bible for the end time.
All of the others as good as they are,[specifically English]that are based upon the Proper Texts,are not the very word of God as the KJV is.The KJV is perfect,purified 7 times.And God has seen fit to have it as such,so I agree with him.

As far as your false assertion that the KJB is not needed to have the Bible is nonsense supreme.Then they would have to start all over and write the KJV out again.
The KJV "IS" the "VERY" words of God.Perfect and purified.
Just what has possessed you to attack the pure words of God?Why not the Webster edition,or NIV?
There is ONE Lord,ONE faith,ONE baptism;there is ONE Holy Bible.The KJV has all the evidence in its favour and you are found fighting agaist it?Don't take it personally!
There is no single Book that is perfect,for the English speaking world than the KJV.  "...to make of many good ones a better one..."
The only way your statement would be true about the Bible is there,without the KJV,is this.It is in various multitudes of manuscripts and versions,that "IF" one could get to the bottom of it,could finally one day maybe find the right set of words that make up the very words of God.Then Tadah!The Bible.

Well that doesn't cut it.That is humanistic reasoning,just like the modern versions.Your Achille's heel is that you think that the Bible is the work of man.
You just don't seem to get it,that the word of God is the word of God.It is his work,not man's.

All of the other versions are going back to Rome just like the Puseyites and the Oxford movement.
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The truth of the matter is exceptionally simple:  The KJV is just a translation, and that's all it's ever been. It's good, but it's not 100% anything.
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You don't seem to understand scriptures very well at this point.
You belittle the word of God.
Now hear this.
Timothy had the scriptures.And they were not the originals.
The scribes has the scriptures to search,and they were not the originals.
God uses copies and translations,AS the very words of God.

Did Pharoh speak Hebrew?By your logic there might have been something that got lost is the transmission.
Even the New Testament is a translation of the Old Testament in many verses.Ya! who really cares about the New Testament eh?It's just a translation.It's not the scriptures.Good grief!Do you see what I am saying?

You can still use your other versions,I will not stop you or condemn you for doing so.But I will warn you that they are not the very words of God,because they are based upon corrupted texts that were pumped out by heretics.
It is just a word of love to you,believe it or not.You are a leader here and love the LORD all the way.So I commend you for your deep concern here at getting at the truth.

I was like you,one time,so I can really sympathize.
May God richly bless you as you work for the LORD and be a blessing to others on this site.

Relentless for the LORD Jesus Christ,and his perfect word,
PeterAV
Thy word is truth.
John17:17

You contradict yourself. NUFF SAID.