The United States of America Constitution has been a practically dead letter in American politics. No more than lip service. The two of the things the founding fathers' feared most were a big beauracracy and a standing army. And now their fears have been fulfilled. Practically all the actions of our federal government have been unconstitutional, save those directly actions and powers directly granted to it. Just had to say that and reinforce the knowledge of how far we've drifted from the original plan for the states. Take care.

-Aiden-

There aren't going to be many people that understand (or even agree) with what you just said. But it's the clear truth. Well done Aiden.

P.S. Although I'm not sure I understand what you mean about the army?

BUSH MISLEADS ON KERRY

In a speech yesterday, President Bush made statements that "ignored elements of Mr. Kerry's record and stated positions in a way that paints an incomplete or distorted portrait of his approach."[1] Here are two examples:

Yesterday, Bush said, "Senator Kerry's approach would permit a response only after America is hit."[2] In fact, Kerry has explicitly said that he would use preemptive force when necessary. During the first presidential debate Kerry said, "The president always has the right, and always has had the right, for preemptive strike...No president, through all of American history, has ever ceded, and nor would I, the right to preempt in any way necessary to protect the United States of America."[3]

Bush also said Kerry was "against vital weapon systems during his entire career."[4] According to the non-partisan Factcheck.org, the Bush campaign "bases its claim mainly on Kerry's votes against overall Pentagon money bills in 1990, 1995 and 1996, but these were not votes against specific weapons."[5] Nonetheless, since Kerry has been in Congress he has voted for
16 of the 19 overall Pentagon funding bills. Therefore, "even by the Bush campaign's twisted logic, Kerry should - on balance - be called a supporter of the 'vital' weapons."[6]

Sources:

1. "Bush Adds Teeth to His Attacks on Kerry," New York Times, 10/19/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63708.
2. "Transcript: Bush Attacks Kerry's Security Proposals," Washinton Post, 10/18/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63709.
3. "Debate Transcript: The First Bush-Kerry Presidential Debate," Commission on Presidential Debates, 9/30/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63710.
4. "Transcript: Bush Attacks Kerry's Security Proposals," Washinton Post, 10/18/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63709.
5. "More Bush Distortions of Kerry Defense Record," FactCheck.org, 4/30/04, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63711.
6. Ibid, http://daily.misleader.org/ctt.asp?u=3486872&l=63711.

This isn't about a decision on which type of kitchenware to buy for the army. These are big-time, well know, and greatly used weapons...

"The Massachusetts senator voted against defense appropriations bills that included money for weapons such as the Patriot missile, the Tomahawk cruise missile and the B-2 stealth bomber — all of which military leaders say have become integral to the U.S. force and were crucial to winning the 1991 Gulf war and last year's war in Iraq. According to voting records, Mr. Kerry also favored cutting or canceling spending on the Apache helicopter, the M-1 Abrams tank and a wide range of fighter jets".[1]

[1] http://www.washtimes.com/national/20040223-115221-2572r.htm

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Within that context it would be foolish to support the greater of the moral candidates if he has no chance of winning.

Well, first it's light vs. dark, now it's light vs. dark vs. dim.

If Philips, Taki and Sproul all endose this guy, I'm close to 99% sure I'll support him.

I'm not quite sure I understand what you are trying to say. But what I want you to take note of is this: There are two different categories of candidates, good and bad. Among the good there are the "better" and the "best". And among the bad there are the "bad" and the "worse".

President Bush and Peroutka are both good candidates. And I have to agree that on the issues of godliness and morality, Peroutka is much stronger minded. But casting a vote for a nonviable candidate isn't going to change this country, it's going to let it continue on it's current course.

President Bush is not the "BEST" candidate on the issue of morality, but he's at least a "GOOD" candidate on the the issue of morality. Most of your other options for voting are candidates who are "BAD". But what saddens my heart is that you would shortchange a "GOOD" candidate by voting for a "BEST" candidate that really only helps the "BAD" candidate.

Nobody can deny this simple truth. Lets all gather around the "GOOD" candidate that can win, and not go chasing after nonsense by casting pointless votes for somebody who can't win anything. It's not right to cast a foolish vote, even if it's for conscience sake. That's allot of selfishness; putting your own conscience before the well-being of our country and nation.

If Senator Kerry can manage to win the election, we won't have a president who has blocked funding to U.N. organizations supporting abortion, we won't have a president who has and who will continue to put pro life and pro constitutional judges in our courts, we won't have a president who will sign legislation banning abortion, and homosexual marriages, we won't have a president who will protect our country like it is right now, we won't have a president who will put a stop to U.N. control over our military and citizens, and we won't have a president who will do any good for this nation.

That's the truth folks. Please take it, don't leave it...

I've said all I can say. If you aren't persuaded by now, then you aren't willing to listen. I'm praying that each one of you with these ideas will stop and seriously think. Not think about what you could have said as a rebuttal to what I just said, but think about how YOU are thinking.

Andrew Fritz

When you let ungodly leaders and politicians follow their natural aspirations, they will always end up at the door of big government, where personal liberties like freedom of religion, speech, and property ownership are few.

The modern Republican party is the party of big government and big spending.

I am glad for the tax cuts, though. I can make 60 thousand a year and pay no taxes thanks to my 7 kids. But the money has to come from somewhere. A quarter trillion just in Iraq/Afganistan, with the defecit the hugest in history.

I suggest to the board that it can't go on like this, and to keep out of debt, and invest in something you can control yourself. That's why I do beekeeping on the side, because eventually there is going to be a traumatic problem with our monetary system.

Goldwater was great, you don't spend what you don't have. But the modern Republicans have left traditional conservative values far behind. The best policy is not to vote at all in this presidental election to send a protest out.

My friend that is a foolish decision. Please reconsider. You are only helping the decline of our nation. While you worry about financial issues our country is being dragged into moral decline. I can't explain in words how I am grieved to hear you say that. This wonderful nation is suffering at the hands of liberal judges and leaders every single day. We need your precious vote. Please take an honest look at your ideas. They aren't right! You must see how critical this election is. Don't have to look back at this mistake. If there was ever an election on which hangs the future of our nation, this is it.

Welcome back La Vie B!  Now, just to set the record straight...

...if you believe in growing babies to kill for their stem cells...vote for Kerry.

...if you believe that it's best to save the mother's life, with, or without her approval, by crushing the skull of her baby while it is being born...vote Kerry.

...if you believe that Adam and Steve have every right to be a married couple in the eyes of God and in the law of this land...vote Kerry.

...if you have a moral bone in your body...don't vote Kerry.  Vote Bush.


   WB!!!!

What difference does it make that Bush believes in the same moral values that we christian conservatives believe in?!.....The question is; Has he done anything to restore moral values to our country?  Have ANY of the "conservative" Presidents we've elected done that?   Have they appointed christian conservative judges who would overturn abortion, etc?  

I don't know about you, but I've been waiting for forty-two years for one of those "conservative" Presidents whom we've elected to restore prayer to our nation's schools, but it hasn't happened yet, and it never will.

Same thing with legal "abortions", which have been on the books for some 30 years now.....NO PRESIDENT, regardless his personal conviction, is going to go against the laws of our land, and attempt to overthrow those laws....not even your beloved George Bush.....He's already proven that!, and so have the others before him.

On the other hand, John Kerry is no better...but AT LEAST he has enough decency to admit to us that he's not going to attempt to change those laws which are already on the books, whereas Bush does not.

The problem is; you, like all my fellow christian conservatives, are looking for a "political" savior to get us out of the immoral quagmire which America is in, and sad to say, you're not going to find one.



   

I would like to mention one point that you missed. It's the most important reason we need to elect a leader with strong moral convictions. The U.S. Supreme Court has turned itself into a trump card for anything that the state and national legislatures do. Currenlty, the Supreme Court is split down the middles when it comes to morality, with a slight lean toward immorality. As I speak right now, we are in once of the longest periods of time since a justice has retied. It is almost without doubt that one of more of them will retire during the next presidency.

I'm telling you, if you have a pro abortion liberal in the White House, he will do more damage by appointing a bad judges than anything he could do in congress. Because in congress, at least things are voted on, and the people can voice their concerns. In the court system, judges are "gods" without review.

Remember, it has been judges, not presidents or congress, that have legalized abortion, banned the ten comments from display, stopped laws banning sodomy, and removed bible reading and prayer from the schools.

The biggest danger to our country is that a moral judge will retire from the Supreme Court, and a liberal one will replace him. After that my friends, you will NEVER get a constitutionally correct ruling on moral issues. That will be the final piece in the breakdown of this country; the worst thing that has happened in the last 100 years. Because never before has the supreme court taken such liberties to out-step it's boundaries by twisting the meaning of the constitution to match the opinions of the judges on the court. Vote and pray for this election. Our country is truly at stake.

Andrew Fitz,

Brother, please let me know if you plan to leave the site up past the Presidential Election. I firmly believe that Christians should vote in all elections, not just national elections.

I have been considering adding more links to my site. If you are planning to continue the site, I will definitely pray about adding your link and quite a few others that are heavily Christian oriented.

Please - consider a listing with Christians Unite and many free services to Christian Web Masters. Just click the Christian Web Master services on  the left side of every forum page. Christians Unite serves thousands of Christian Web Masters.
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Love In Christ,
Tom

The website in it's current form was written and geared towards a last minute "get out the christian vote" effort. But I am considering putting up some other form of the website after the election. I haven't decided for sure whether to do that or not, and if so, what to put on the site. The mistake I made this year was not getting the site up until just two weeks before the election. I would have liked to have done it a couple months before the election if I had gotten the idea earlier. I just think the website has a much more powerful impact in an election year, when voting is right around the corner. So I'm not sure if it would be effective during times when the information is not as real and relevant to people.

I have been in contact with Christians Unite prior to posting in the forum. In fact, that's the reason I discovered this website. I will be looking into those suggestions you gave me. Thank you.

Hello Andrew Fritz,

I'm just now reading your first and second post. WELCOME!!! to Christians Unite.

I also just came from the link you listed that encourages Christians to vote. I've always believed strongly that Christians should vote. In fact, I believe it is a Christian duty to vote.

If we watch, listen, and pray, God will give us guidance about who will best serve. I would ask every Christian to do just this:

Watch

Listen

Pray

Vote


Love In Christ,
Tom

Thank you for the friendly welcome. What you went on to say goes right into my heart. I've been deeply concerned about Christians voting. I run into some of them who don't vote, and others who waste there vote on non-viable candidates; it's frustrating that I can't make them understand how important voting is, and how our country is really at stake.

In fact, that website you visited is one that I published just about over a week ago. I am currently in a major campaign to get the information on that website to thousands of Christians within the next couple days before the election. I noticed that you also have a website. If you would, please consider helping the effort by posting a link to the site on your homepage. If that's something you'd like to to do, there are some really nice pre-made buttons and banners provided here on the site:

http://www.christiansneedtovote.com/links.htm

When has socialism been implemented properly?

What do you mean?

Hmmm....

The whole point of my post is that as Americans and as a Democracy people think differently and are allowed to have opinions.

Am I wrong for voting for Kerry? No

Is anyone else wrong for voting for Bush? No

Both liberals and conservatives want to make this a better country, because we all love this country. We just have different ideas of how to make it better. There's nothing wrong with having a difference of opinions or ideas.

Viva La Vie Boheme!

 

You have made a very interesting comment. It is true that both political parties (for the most part) want to make America better. And you're right, they both have very different methods for reaching those goals.

But I would challenge you to reconsider the methods and philosophies driving liberal minded candidates. Because you must understand how dangerous they are. Most liberals would love to be in control; they think they could "fix" America, and solves almost every problem with their ideas. But what they don't see is how their methods don't work. History has proven over and over again, socialism doesn't work, capitalism does; big government doesn't work, small government does. But they continue on without any regard to the lessons of the past.

The easiest way to illustrate this is too look at other countries where liberals have almost free reign. Has liberalism, socialism, and big government fixed their problems? Not at all. America by far is the best country where liberty and God given rights are being preserved. And consequently, it's one of the only countries where conservative philosophies still have the upper-hand. So instead of unknowingly destroying this country's liberties and freedoms, I think the liberals should head over to just about any other countries where the utopia of their dreams and ideas for america all already in working order. And the truth of the matter is they themselves would not like to live in these countries. But they sadly don't realize that the totalitarianism in these places is a direct affect of liberal methods of government. They go hand in hand. Again, look at history.