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Theology / Debate / Re:Through faith in Christ Jesus
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on: October 14, 2004, 08:16:35 AM
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SO THAT IS WHY YOU WANTED TO KNOW THE SOURCE OF THE QUOTES? Character assasinate the messanger because you don't like the message just like they did to Jesus? You are no different than the murderers of Jesus as you cannot deal with substance of the issue about that Fundamentalists like yourselves don't have faith in Christ or of Christ but faith in Apostle Paul who is dead and gone! SO DEAL WITH THE SUBSTANCE OF THE ISSUE AND DON'T GIVE DUNG?
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:women pastors?
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on: October 13, 2004, 09:12:50 PM
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Does "But she will be kept safe through childbearing, if they continue in faith and love and holiness with sensibleness. (1Ti 2:8-15)" mean if a woman doesn't continue in faith... she will be lost or damned?
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Theology / Debate / It’s Is Finished
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on: October 13, 2004, 05:18:11 PM
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"These things I have spoken to you, that in Me you may have peace. In the world you will have tribulation; but be of good cheer, I have overcome the world." John 16:33
So when Jesus had received the sour wine, He said, "It is finished!" And bowing His head, He gave up His spirit. John 19:30 All of Apostles Paul’s messages centered in the cross where Jesus Christ accomplished all things for us. As a result "we have redemption through His blood" (Eph. 1:7), we are justified by His blood" (Rom. 5:9), "reconciled to God by the death of His Son" (Rom. 5:10), "made nigh by the blood of Christ" (Eph. 2:13 and "made the righteousness of God in Him" because "God hath made Him to be sin for us" (2 Cor. 5:21). The covenant of the law was abolished by the cross (Col. 2:14), the curse of the law was removed by the cross (Gal. 3:13), the "middle wall of partition" was broken down by the cross (Eph. 2:14-15) and believing Jews and Gentiles are reconciled to God in one body by the cross (Eph. 2:16). And by His stripes there we are healed (1 Peter 2:24). God’s word is unchanging:
He is despised and rejected by men, A Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief. And we hid, as it were, our faces from Him; He was despised, and we did not esteem Him. Surely He has borne our griefs And carried our sorrows; Yet we esteemed Him stricken, Smitten by God, and afflicted. But He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; The chastisement for our peace was upon Him, And by His stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; We have turned, every one, to his own way; And the LORD has laid on Him the iniquity of us all. Isaiah 53:3-6
Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross. Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name, that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of those in heaven, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father. Philippians 2:5-11
Jesus Christ, God’s Son and His righteous Servant, on the cross of Calvary justified many by bearing their iniquities there. He poured out His soul unto death, He was numbered with the transgressors, He bore the sin of many, and made intercession for the transgressors. He has borne our griefs and carried our sorrows. He was stricken, smitten by God, and afflicted. He was wounded for our transgressions, He was bruised for our iniquities; the chastisement for our peace was upon Him, and by His stripes we are healed. Therefore God divided Him a portion with the great, and Jesus divide the spoil with the strong. God, has reconciled us to Himself through Jesus Christ, and has given us the ministry of reconciliation. He has blessed us with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places in Christ, just as He chose us in Him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love, having predestined us to adoption as sons by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will, the praise of the glory of His grace, by which He has made us accepted in the Beloved.
In Christ we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of His grace which He made to abound toward us in all wisdom and prudence, having made known to us the mystery of His will, according to His good pleasure which He purposed in Himself, that in the dispensation of the fullness of the times He might gather together in one all things in Christ, both which are in heaven and which are on earth-in Him. In Christ we trusted, after we heard the word of truth, the gospel of our salvation; in whom also, having believed, we were sealed with the Holy Spirit of promise, who is the guarantee of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, to the praise of His glory. (Ephesians 1:3-15). In Christ Has God has chosen us to be rich in faith and heirs of the kingdom which He promised to those who love Him. In Christ we are Abraham's seed, children of faith and heirs according to the promise:
For God is not unjust to forget your work and labor of love which you have shown toward His name, in that you have ministered to the saints, and do minister. And we desire that each one of you show the same diligence to the full assurance of hope until the end, that you do not become sluggish, but imitate those who through faith and patience inherit the promises. For when God made a promise to Abraham, because He could swear by no one greater, He swore by Himself, saying, "Surely blessing I will bless you, and multiplying I will multiply you." And so, after he had patiently endured, he obtained the promise. Hebrews 6:10-15
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Theology / General Theology / Re:Saved BY Water
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on: October 13, 2004, 05:13:08 PM
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I believe God's word. It states about the Lord Jesus that::
• He has promised to meet all our needs Philippians 4:19 And my God shall supply all your need according to His riches in glory by Christ Jesus. • He has promised to always be with us Hebrews 13:5. Let your conduct be without covetousness; be content with such things as you have. For He Himself has said, I will never leave you or forsake you. • He has promised to hear our prayers and give us the desire of our heart 1 Peter 3:12 - Psalm 37:4 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers; but the face of the Lord is against those who do evil. Delight yourself in the Lord, and He shall give you the desires of your heart. • He said we are conquerors Romans 8:37 Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. • He said He would keep us from falling and present us faultless Jude 24. Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling, and to present you faultless before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy. • He said He would supply all we need at all times. 2 Corinthians 9:8 And God is able to make all grace abound toward you, that you, always having all sufficiency in all things, may have abundance for every good work. • He has promised all the seed we need. 2 Corinthians 9:10 - Hebrews 13:20 Now may He who supplies seed to the sower, and bread for food, supply and multiply the seed you have sown and increase the fruits of your righteousness. Now may the God of peace who brought up our Lord Jesus form the dead, that great Shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, make you complete in every good work to do His will, working in you what is well pleasing in His sight, through Jesus Christ to whom be glory forever and ever. • He is greater than anyone or anything. 1 John 4:4 You are of God little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world. • He does more than we ask. Ephesians 3:20 Now to Him who is able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that works in us. • His thoughts to us are for good. Jeremiah 29:11 For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, says the Lord, thoughts of peace and not of evil, to give you a future and a hope. • As we seek Him He rewards us. Hebrews 11:6 But without faith it is impossible to please Him, for he who comes to God must believe that He is, and that He is a rewarder of those who diligently seek Him. • He know us. Psalm 139:3 You comprehend my path and my lying down, and are acquainted with all my ways. • His eye is on us. 1 Peter 3:12 For the eyes of the Lord are on the righteous, and His ears are open to their prayers. • He is praying for us. Hebrews 7:25 Therefore He is also able to save to the uttermost those who come to God through Him, since He always lives to make intercession for them.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:women pastors?
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on: October 13, 2004, 05:11:30 PM
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I beleive God's word. It states:
There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 1 Corinthians 12:27-28
Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy. For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. But he who prophesies speaks edification and exhortation and comfort to men. He who speaks in a tongue edifies himself, but he who prophesies edifies the church. I wish you all spoke with tongues, but even more that you prophesied; for he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks with tongues, unless indeed he interprets, that the church may receive edification. 1 Corinthians 14:1-5
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:women pastors?
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on: October 13, 2004, 04:31:54 PM
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Why is this tread representative of all of Christianity? Does it have women pastors. Do it's posters cast out demons and pray for the sick like the Bible tells them too?
Mark 16:15 And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16:16 "He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 16:17 "And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 16:18 "they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover."
James 5:14 Is anyone among you sick? Let him call for the elders of the church, and let them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord. 5:15 And the prayer of faith will save the sick, and the Lord will raise him up. And if he has committed sins, he will be forgiven. 5:16 Confess your trespasses to one another, and pray for one another, that you may be healed. The effective, fervent prayer of a righteous man avails much. 5:17 Elijah was a man with a nature like ours, and he prayed earnestly that it would not rain; and it did not rain on the land for three years and six months. 5:18 And he prayed again, and the heaven gave rain, and the earth produced its fruit.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Through faith in Christ Jesus
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on: October 13, 2004, 04:20:12 PM
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The King James Bible is not the original bible. It's only a translation of copies of different parts of the bible that were written in Hebrew and in Greek which were fourth generation copies at best. We don't any autographs or orginals. But the bottom line is if you take Paul's epistles out of the New Testament it doesn't change our salvation one bit. But if you don't heed the voice of the Holy Spirit then you are in deep trouble. Paul isn't important to salvation at all but the Holy Spirit is! Fundamentalist religions make this choice because they uniformly place a high priority on doctrinal conformity, with such force that it takes higher priority than love, compassion and service. Indeed, many fundamentalists are so caught up in doctrinal seriousness, that love, service and compassion seem scarcely to even be a part of their thinking. As one correspondent said to me regarding a certain Christian sect's converts, "Its like they go in and surgically remove any sense of love or any sense of humor." This emphasis on doctrinal conformity seems to be the result of the belief in the requirement of absolute conformity to doctrine to achieve salvation. Yet at the same time, many will also officially claim that simple acceptance of that sect's doctrine is sufficient for salvation. This dichotomy is often seen in the same sect; some of the fundamentalist Christian sects being good examples. The contradiction seems to go unnoticed or if it is noticed, it is ignored. It seems that another facet of fundamentalist thinking is belief in the correctness of their thinking. Invariably, they will make the claim that they are right to the exclusion of others, even all others, and that they, and they alone offer the path to salvation. Fundamentalist religions regard their missions with great seriousness. Many claim that the salvation of the world depends on them, and some will seriously contend that the earth will end without them. It is this overwhelming seriousness about religion that seems to be one of the hallmarks of the fundamentalist. He is concerned not only with his own conformity to doctrine, but the conformity of the rest of society to it, too. Many fundamentalists will not hesitate to intervene in the political process to ensure that society is forced to conform to the behaviors their world view requires, if not accept that world view. The belief that they are right, without any question, justifies, in their own minds, taking upon themselves the right to impose their point of view, by force if neccessary. An example is the attempt, by some Christian fundamentalist groups to shut down, by force, abortion clinics that are operating in accordance with the law. Some have gone so far as to threaten and intimidate employees, and even murder doctors working there. http://www.bidstrup.com/religion.htm
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:women pastors?
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on: October 13, 2004, 04:14:53 PM
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You cannot deny the fact that people are hypocrites. They pick and choose what they like. They put down spiritual gifts and put down women when Jesus never did such kind of things. He didn't discriminate against women like other men do and He didn't deny miracles:
MT 4:24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.
And dispensation is just a doctrine of demons that rob people of their birth right! It has existed only for less than 200 years! The gospel is good news of how we are justified by faith and have become sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. But to be saved is not only to repent of our sins and transgression and to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins but to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as well as His Spiritual gifts including wisdom, knowledge, faith and tongues and to live and walk by the same Holy Spirit. To be saved is not to keep a set of rules or to conduct bible studies. God is still on the throne. He still has all power, and He still saves, heals and delivers all of those who will yield to Him. Nothing is too hard for the Lord. All good and perfect gifts come from God. Hence the Bible tells us in Hebrews 4:16 that we can come boldly to the throne of grace. The blood of Jesus brings us nigh to God, and we can approach the throne any time we have a need. God is good, and He is faithful to those who put their faith and trust in Him. God has all things needed for soul, mind and body. We need not go lacking for anything for God is more than will to save us. Everything we need can be supplied through the divine blood of Jesus. We can expect God to move and bring deliverance for all things needed. We can thank and praise Him in advance for what He is going to do. There is none as mighty as He, and He really does love us! The Holy Spirit, the Helper, has come to be to us all that Jesus was to His disciples. He has come to guide us into all truths and to give us God’s best in everything. He wants to be a real close friend and Helper to us just like Jesus was to His disciples. He is the Third Person of the Trinity, the personality in the order of the Godhead. He is in charge of the affairs of the kingdom of God and is the Chief Executor of divine programs on the earth. He is the Motivator, Energizer and Operator of every revealed plan or vision from God. He is the Revealer of the hidden treasures of the kingdom of God. He holds the key to the inheritance of the saints of God. He is the most valuable asset to Christian living. He is the central figure in any breakthrough in life. He is the only One worth leaning on. He has come to reveal wisdom, knowledge, abilities, enablements and mysteries to us to show us our significance, value and power. He has come to reveal our God-nature to us and cause us to live in a new dimension. He has come to comfort us! He’s our invisible Partner, who causes things to work for us that won’t work for others. He gives us the mind of Christ! Hence we are to trust Him with everything big or small and aren’t to do anything without Him!
The Holy Spirit uses the word of God to instruct, minister and reveal truth to us. His wisdom is supernatural and as we yield to His wisdom and power we become successful and prosperous and victorious. He pours the love of God into our hearts (Romans 5:5) and enables us to live a life of love towards God and others. However He can be grieved when there is envy, bitterness, strife, foolishness, pride or unforgiveness. He can be grieved when we reject the truth or allow ourselves to be deceived. Yes, these things prevent Him from giving us the answers we need for our life. But though His anointing and giftings we can do all kinds of things.
God has created His people not to live by bread alone but by ever word that proceeds from the mouth of God including new manna each new day. Yesterday’s word becomes stale and we need each day the new word breathed upon and made real by the Spirit of God. God who is a jealous God has also ordained that He would be their source of total supply, not others.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:women pastors?
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on: October 13, 2004, 02:30:00 PM
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Yes people are hypocrites. They pick and choose what they like. They put down spiritual gifts and put down women when Jesus never did such kind of things. He didn't discriminate against women like other men do and He didn't deny miracles:
MT 4:24 Then His fame went throughout all Syria; and they brought to Him all sick people who were afflicted with various diseases and torments, and those who were demon-possessed, epileptics, and paralytics; and He healed them.
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Theology / Debate / Through faith in Christ Jesus
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on: October 13, 2004, 01:30:41 PM
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But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. Therefore the law was our tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor. For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus. And if you are Christ's, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise. Galatians 3:22-29
The gospel is good news of how we are justified by faith and have become sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. But to be saved is not only to repent of our sins and transgression and to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins but to receive the gift of the Holy Spirit as well as His Spiritual gifts including wisdom, knowledge, faith and tongues and to live and walk by the same Holy Spirit. To be saved is not to keep a set of rules or to conduct bible studies. God is still on the throne. He still has all power, and He still saves, heals and delivers all of those who will yield to Him. Nothing is too hard for the Lord. All good and perfect gifts come from God. Hence the Bible tells us in Hebrews 4:16 that we can come boldly to the throne of grace. The blood of Jesus brings us nigh to God, and we can approach the throne any time we have a need. God is good, and He is faithful to those who put their faith and trust in Him. God has all things needed for soul, mind and body. We need not go lacking for anything for God is more than will to save us. Everything we need can be supplied through the divine blood of Jesus. We can expect God to move and bring deliverance for all things needed. We can thank and praise Him in advance for what He is going to do. There is none as mighty as He, and He really does love us!
The Holy Spirit, the Helper, has come to be to us all that Jesus was to His disciples. He has come to guide us into all truths and to give us God’s best in everything. He wants to be a real close friend and Helper to us just like Jesus was to His disciples. He is the Third Person of the Trinity, the personality in the order of the Godhead. He is in charge of the affairs of the kingdom of God and is the Chief Executor of divine programs on the earth. He is the Motivator, Energizer and Operator of every revealed plan or vision from God. He is the Revealer of the hidden treasures of the kingdom of God. He holds the key to the inheritance of the saints of God. He is the most valuable asset to Christian living. He is the central figure in any breakthrough in life. He is the only One worth leaning on. He has come to reveal wisdom, knowledge, abilities, enablements and mysteries to us to show us our significance, value and power. He has come to reveal our God-nature to us and cause us to live in a new dimension. He has come to comfort us! He’s our invisible Partner, who causes things to work for us that won’t work for others. He gives us the mind of Christ! Hence we are to trust Him with everything big or small and aren’t to do anything without Him!
The Holy Spirit uses the word of God to instruct, minister and reveal truth to us. His wisdom is supernatural and as we yield to His wisdom and power we become successful and prosperous and victorious. He pours the love of God into our hearts (Romans 5:5) and enables us to live a life of love towards God and others. However He can be grieved when there is envy, bitterness, strife, foolishness, pride or unforgiveness. He can be grieved when we reject the truth or allow ourselves to be deceived. Yes, these things prevent Him from giving us the answers we need for our life. But though His anointing and giftings we can do all kinds of things.
God has created His people not to live by bread alone but by ever word that proceeds from the mouth of God including new manna each new day. Yesterday’s word becomes stale and we need each day the new word breathed upon and made real by the Spirit of God. God who is a jealous God has also ordained that He would be their source of total supply, not others.
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