Well not to go back to the pizza issue but a thought occured to me. If Kerry, is selfish about pizza, and airconditioning, and has no regard for anyone who is not in his little group, WHY WOULD WE WANT HIM AS A PRESIDENT? Good grief. it doesnt make any sense, a selfish president does no good for anyone. its like GROW UP KERRY my 4 year old neice acts better than that!

At the time we are doing workbooks about communication and marraige helps and have set up counseling. things seem to be going okay but prayers are still needed and welcome. thank you all for your concern and your prayers.

LOL thats too funny. sorry i thought it just fit in with the topic!  

 i have been in an abusive marraige for 1 year and 4 months. i have left a few times begging him to get help. he hasn't and the last straw is when he started throwing me aruond while our 4 year old neice was there. that was the last straw. my father who is a minister told me i had to go back and my mom said i didnt. i am not planning on going back i told him to get help and he said i needed the help not him, he is not a believer and i know that he can leave me and that doesnt put the sin on myself. but i gave him the ultimatium. and said i wasnt coming back. he told me to the papers and i said no. i wasnt divorcing him, i just wasnt coming back to an unsafe environment. he said he would get them if i paid half. i DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK i want to move on with my life. if i stay there and forgive i may not have a life to do anything with. how can a loving God want someone to stay in a situation that gets worse everyday?

thanks for the poem i needed that right now! and if anyone has advice see my problem under "ABUSIVE RELATIONSHIP"

thank you for your replies. i have been staying with a friend, and am trying to get a job and move to a long term stay place until my friend moves to her new place. it is too hard to stay here without the room needed, but it is so hard, to do. my dad is just on my last nerve, he wont leave me alone and i dont want to be rude, but basically i want him to leave me alone, he wants to counsel us but he thinks this is my fault. i dont want to counsel with him, because my husband neither believes in God nor thinks that this is his fault. he said i caused him to do it. when i move probably on 9/20 i will not be telling anyone where i am because i want to be left alone. i love my father dearly but ididnt ask for his help and he wont leave it alone until he has his way. what should i do?

thank you sissy. you made a point that really helped me. i felt that if God was a god of love that there would not be a reason to stay, my father who is a retired minister has made it plain that if i leave my husband, that i am in sin, and that i must remain married until my husband leaves me, the thing is i dont believe that, i know divorce is wrong, but how can God, a god who loves me want me to remain in that situation? it made no sense. my father will basically disown me if i leave, but then it because a matter of him and God not me and God right? because wouldn't he be sinning himself?

oh yeah and just remember that God offers forgiveness. if bush lied, so what it doesnt mean he always will or that he will again. Good grief!

Well anybody that pays attention to bush knows that he is a Bible believing professing Christian who God placed in the leadership of this country. Don't you think that the war was necessary...or are we supposed to let people just take the freedom that all those men and women who lost their lives in the past away from us?


"HAVE YOU FORGOTTEN"

I hear people saying we don't need this war
I say there's some things worth fighting for
What about our freedom and this piece of ground
We didn't get to keep 'em by backing down
They say we don't realize the mess we're getting in
Before you start your preaching let me ask you this my friend

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

They took all the footage off my T.V.
Said it's too disturbing for you and me
It'll just breed anger that's what the experts say
If it was up to me I'd show it everyday
Some say this country's just out looking for a fight
After 9/11 man I'd have to say that's right

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away

Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

I've been there with the soldiers
Who've gone away to war
And you can bet that they remember
Just what they're fighting for

Have you forgotten how it felt that day?
To see your homeland under fire
And her people blown away
Have you forgotten when those towers fell?
We had neighbors still inside going thru a living hell
And you say we shouldn't worry 'bout bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten all the people killed?
Some went down like heros in that Pennsylvania field
Have you forgotten about our Pentagon?
All the loved ones that we lost and those left to carry on
Don't you tell me not to worry about bin Laden
Have you forgotten?

Have you forgotten?
Have you forgotten?



If you cant remember what happened....then perhaps you should try to imagine what it would be like to run a whole country...I certainly KNOW that I wouldn't be able to. Bush deserves props....he is morrally correct and you need to remember that no matter who is leadership of the US there will ALWAYS be someone who isn't happy. Too bad...God's in control.   ALWAYS HAS BEEN AND ALWAYS WILL BE.

I am sort of having the same problem as you only my husband is abusive. But I just wanted to ask you for prayer and tell you that you arent alone. YOU HAVE MY PRAYERS and if you come up with any answers let me know and vice versa.

hey is anybody here right now? i have been in an abusive marraige for 1 year and 4 months. i have left a few times begging him to get help. he hasn't and the last straw is when he started throwing me aruond while our 4 year old neice was there. that was the last straw. my father who is a minister told me i had to go back and my mom said i didnt. i am not planning on going back i told him to get help and he said i needed the help not him, he is not a believer and i know that he can leave me and that doesnt put the sin on myself. but i gave him the ultimatium. and said i wasnt coming back. he told me to the papers and i said no. i wasnt divorcing him, i just wasnt coming back to an unsafe environment. he said he would get them if i paid half. i DO NOT WANT TO GO BACK i want to move on with my life. if i stay there and forgive i may not have a life to do anything with. how can a loving God want someone to stay in a situation that gets worse everyday?