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1  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 17, 2004, 07:56:49 AM
If Christ cooked a fish BBQ for His Apostles after His crucifixion. Why do you Adventists not eat fish?
Hmmm?


Don't know what your source is, but a lot of Adventists do eat fish, along with other meat (the clean meats, not pork).  Being a vegitarian is just a personal decision a lot of SDA's make.  

Here is a good link:

http://en.bibleinfo.com/topics/topic.html?id=63




What is wrong with pork?
Would you eat catfish, lobster?
Ostrich?

I used pork as an example.
What do you mean whats wrong with pork?  Ever heard the term kosher?  

See Leviticus 11 if you are really concerned with clean and unlcean foods.


I didn't realize you were Jewish.
I'm a Christian.

Colossians 2:14  Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossians 2:15  And having spoiled principalities and powers, he made a shew of them openly, triumphing over them in it.
Colossians 2:16  Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days:
Colossians 2:17  Which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

I know the Jews do not recognize Christ but as a Christian I do, therefore the shadows are no longer to be observed.
These things were nailed to the cross.

You only eat Kosher?

I'm not Jewish.  I referred to kosher since you were mocking me.  Here's a widely known fact:  Jesus was Jewish.  I would bet everything I have that Jesus didn't get up in the morning and eat a ham and cheese omlette with a side of bacon.  You think after He rose again, any of that changed?

Anyway, I am NOT judging anyone, and I never will.  It was this post judging SDA's for not eating pork.  What you do is between you and God.

What I choose to do is to try to understand the entire Bible and try to treat my body as a temple.  This means eating right, not smoking, not drinking, etc.  

2  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 16, 2004, 12:07:06 AM
Ellen White was a herbivore (vegetarian Haha).
She was one because of religious reasons and not choice.
Even if they chose to be by choice, how come there are so many SDA vegies? Because they do it for religious reasons.


First of all, Ellen White was not all SDA's.  And you bring up a goid point about choosing to be a vegitarian or not to be one.  It doesn't matter.
3  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 15, 2004, 11:52:06 PM
If Christ cooked a fish BBQ for His Apostles after His crucifixion. Why do you Adventists not eat fish?
Hmmm?


Don't know what your source is, but a lot of Adventists do eat fish, along with other meat (the clean meats, not pork).  Being a vegitarian is just a personal decision a lot of SDA's make.  

Here is a good link:

http://en.bibleinfo.com/topics/topic.html?id=63




What is wrong with pork?
Would you eat catfish, lobster?
Ostrich?

I used pork as an example.
What do you mean whats wrong with pork?  Ever heard the term kosher?  

See Leviticus 11 if you are really concerned with clean and unlcean foods.

4  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 14, 2004, 08:30:13 PM
If Christ cooked a fish BBQ for His Apostles after His crucifixion. Why do you Adventists not eat fish?
Hmmm?


Don't know what your source is, but a lot of Adventists do eat fish, along with other meat (the clean meats, not pork).  Being a vegitarian is just a personal decision a lot of SDA's make.  

Here is a good link:

http://en.bibleinfo.com/topics/topic.html?id=63



5  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 13, 2004, 10:03:20 PM
I don't know much about the SDA.  I was on a road trip down in Georgia and I read several signs which said the mark of the beast is working on the sabbath.  I thought it was a joke but then my wife said that is a belief of the SDA.  Is that true?   Huh

I had also worked with someone who was a SDA and she told me that she didn't support unions because they were a cult.   Undecided  Does anyone know anything about this?  

I don't know about the union thing.
However, I've watched enough of 3ABN (An SDA channel) to know that they do believe those who worship on Sunday are following satan.

I know that my SDA mom keeps praying that I'll see the error of my ways and stop going to a church that worships on Sundays and start going to the right church.
Then again, my Catholic mother-in-law keeps praying that me and my ex-Cath husband will see the error of our ways and start attending a Cath church.


If you really are interested in learning more about the Sabbath, this is a great site.  http://www.sabbathtruth.com

This site explains the mark of the beast as well.

 Smiley
6  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 11, 2004, 08:56:06 PM
Here is a site on SDAs for those who are unfamiliar with it.

http://www.namb.net/root/resources/beliefbulletins/cults/seventh_day.asp


Even in this Southern Babtist site, the SDA's are not defined as a cult.  From the page you linked:
 "Thus the IWD does not designate the SDA as a cult However, the IWD designates the SDA as a Christian sect because they have a number of distinctive doctrines not in accord with historic Christian faith. This Belief Bulletin highlights those doctrines and provides biblical responses."

What ever.  I am not a Southern Babtist anyway.

Here is the Webster definition of a cult:

"Main Entry: cult
Pronunciation: 'k&lt
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: French & Latin; French culte, from Latin cultus care, adoration, from colere to cultivate -- more at WHEEL
1 : formal religious veneration : WORSHIP
2 : a system of religious beliefs and ritual; also : its body of adherents
3 : a religion regarded as unorthodox or spurious; also : its body of adherents
4 : a system for the cure of disease based on dogma set forth by its promulgator <health cults>
5 a : great devotion to a person, idea, object, movement, or work (as a film or book); especially : such devotion regarded as a literary or intellectual fad b : a usually small group of people characterized by such devotion"

Based on the the first definition, I guess all Christian denominations can be classified as cults.

Here is the definition of the occult:

"Main Entry: 3occult
Pronunciation: same as 2
Function: noun
: matters regarded as involving the action or influence of supernatural or supernormal powers or some secret knowledge of them -- used with the"

Take one look at SDA's (http://www.adventist.org/beliefs/fundamental/index.html) and you will find no cult, rather a Bible loving people waiting for the great day that Jesus returns.

Peace!

 Smiley
7  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 11, 2004, 08:07:55 PM
The  7th day adventist  are a  church,  not a   cult.  peace.
All sorts of people claim to be a church.
Church Universal and Triumphant:
AKA -- The Summit Lighthouse
The followers of Elizabeth Prophet
AKA -- Guru Ma
Makes the same claim, I lost a friend to this cult some 30 years ago.
http://religiousmovements.lib.virginia.edu/nrms/cut.html
Like you he can’t see that they are false.
The foundation of the SDA is sand.
Ellen was a false prophet. A blind leader.
Do you believe coal and oil burning under the earth is the cause of earthquakes and volcanoes?
Do you agree with your founder? She is your FOUNDATION.


The link you posted has NOTHING to do with Adventists.  You know nothing about SDA's yet blindly claim them to be a cult and have the nerve to give a link to some other cult.  Talk about false!

BTW, I have been an SDA for 5 years and have never been taught by the writing's of Ellen White.  Her writings are not tught, the Bible is taught.  Ellen White may have not been 100% correct (what human is?) but did have many correct teachings on health related issues (among other things).  She never claimed to be a propeht.  She was one of the origional leaders but she was never worshiped and nobody in the SDA church would accept any human's teaching over the Bible.  
Would I be safe in saying your religion is false because you read books written by other Christians that teach you things that are not illustrated in depth in the Bible?  I guess I could if I just blindly attached a link to some cult.
8  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 11, 2004, 07:49:44 PM
Huh?  Not leaving the house when you're on your period, and women not talking in church, and folks running around making women cover their heads, GET A LIFE!!!!

Get an eternal Life.  It is for freedom that Christ has set us free!  Freedom from what?  Idiots that care about what's in and around their body are included in what we are freed from.  How about loving your neighbor enough to not be concerned about whether she's having her period when she leaves her house.  Hypocrits like the Pharasees worried about this stupid stuff.  Now their burning in hell too.   Cool

 Grin


As far as judging adventist based just on some SDA's you know or heard of, that is highly judmental and shows ignorance.  How many old Babtist believes could we judge them on? Get real, the Adventists do not believe those things.

I don't bash the Babtists or Catholic's because they believe in eternel hell so why should the Adventist be bashed because they believe in fallowing God's law out of love for him?

If you want to follow the Pope, continue to worship on Sunday, as even the Catholic's admit changing the day of worship to Sunday.  If the day of worship doesn't matter, why would it be the fourth commandment, before even murder and stealing?  I don't know about you all, but I would rather follow all of the commandments of God, than to follow the law of man.

I don't want to sound hostile but getting bashed for my belief's in Jesus and the word of God gets me a little worked up.  Smiley


9  Theology / Debate / Re:Seventh Day Adventists on: June 11, 2004, 07:40:33 PM
"So I asked which of the 10 Commandments prevents one from eating pork?
Still waiting for my answer."

No one claimed it was a commandment, however it is found many times in the bible.  It is for health reasons.

Please see this site:  http://www.tagnet.org/thsda/articles/hall/meat.html

Adventists base EVERY belief on the bible, and not just verses here and there taken out of context.  


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