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Theology / Debate / Re:What part of **** don't you understand?
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on: June 22, 2004, 12:32:30 PM
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Just because a gift is freely given doesn't mean it's freely recieved. If I put a stack of $100 bills on a table and have a sign that says "Take one bill if you want it". That still requires the person recieving the money to take it. (S)he doesn't get the money unless (S)he takes it.
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Entertainment / Books / Re:Hardcover vs. Paperback
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on: June 21, 2004, 12:22:44 PM
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Actually I'm 19. Just because I read a children's book doesn't mean I'm a child. Adults read them too. I was told they were good books so I read one. Don't tell me you've never read the chronicles of Narnia just because they were made for kids.
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Entertainment / Books / Re:Hardcover vs. Paperback
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on: June 19, 2004, 03:33:40 PM
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I like Hardcover books when I'm reading something long. And paperback when it's under 300 pages. For instance I just read Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire on advise from my sister. But her copy was paperback. nearly 750 pages of paperback is way too much. I like larger letters that are only found in hardcover if I'm reading that much.
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Prayer / General Discussion / Re:communion
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on: June 08, 2004, 08:59:33 PM
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Eastern Orthodox have The Eucharist every time they celebrate the Divine Liturgy. In some monastaries that can be every day. But most Orthodox Temples have it at least every week.
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Theology / Debate / Re:To start off with...Church
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on: May 18, 2004, 12:44:44 AM
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Good post, Dustcry. In my opinion, the church has done more to lead people away from Christ, than toward Him. Most people in the church today do not know what a personal relationship with jesus Christ, and few care. All they care about is what thw CHURCH tells them. Unfortunately, they will only suffer the consequences when they die and then it will be too late. Jesus said the work of God is this; "to believe in the one he sent." Period. That is all you have to do is believe HIM. Not someone else's interpretation of Him, but Him alone. I don't even go to church because of all the false teachings! I listen to Jesus through the Holy Spirit which agrees with all of His words. That is all you need. Then if you have that, you can decide whether you want to join a church or not. But if you are not born again of the spirit, then going to church will not get you to heaven.
It is truly a shame that yiou believe this. You really don't like Jesus' Church. That is sad.
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Theology / Debate / Re:True teachings vs. false teachings
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on: May 14, 2004, 03:20:27 PM
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You forget ebia, Heidi probably thinks that everything Jesus ever said is written in the Bible. Nickolai; That was unkind. Post what you want TO her, but it's not nice to post something like that about her. I thought better of you. grace and peace Gracey You're right, that wasn't very nice. I deleted the post.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words
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on: May 13, 2004, 10:23:40 AM
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St. Ignatius(110 AD) " heretics abstain from Eucharist and from prayer, because they do not confess that the Eucharist is the flesh of our Savior Jesus Christ". And Heidi, You should probably know that Ignatius learned dirsctly under St. John. (The writer of the Gospel of John)
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Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words
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on: May 10, 2004, 11:34:36 PM
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Gal., 2:20, "For I no longer live, but Christ lives in me." Read the last several pages of the gospel of John, Nick. "On that day you will realize that I am in my Father and you are in me and I am in you." Habbukuk said, "Woe to the person who says; 'wood come to life!'" You cannot get life from a worldly ceremony, or worldly items. Christ is alive and well and dwells in the bodies and hearts of His believers. All you have to do is BELIEVE HIS WORDS. If you want to believe ALL of his words, you also have to believe him when he said; "I am the bread of life. Your forefathers ate the manna in the desert, yet they died. But here is the bread that came down from heaven, which a man may eat and not die. I AM THE LIVING BREAD THAT CAME DOWN FROM HEAVEN. IF ANYONE EATS THIS BREAD, HE WILL LIVE FOREVER. THIS BREAD IS MY FLESH, WHICH I WILL GIVE FOR THE LIFE OF THE WORLD." He goes on to say, "I tell you the truth, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink His blood, you have no life in you. Whoever eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life and i will raise him up at the last day." Once you BELIEVE this, you will understand what communion represents. You have to take into consideration ALL of his words, not just one passage.
If I take Christ at His word. EVERY SINGLE verse you gave supports literal communion.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words
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on: May 10, 2004, 10:40:14 PM
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The wine and bread represent Jesus's body. Jesus was sealing the covenant of His body, given for us. He had not died yet so no one could eat His flesh and drink His blood while He was alive. Since none of his words contradict each other, when taken in conjunction with His words that He is the bread of life, all who eat His flesh and drink His blood will inherit eternal life, the bread and wine are to be done in remembrance of Him. Receiving His body inside us in the form of the Holy Spirit is literally eating His flesh and drinking His blood. I was accused of not passing on Christ's words. Again, I believe every word He said.
You keep saying that Eating the Body and Blood of Christ means that the Holy Spirit of CHrist lives in us. But the Holy Spirit does not belong to Jesus. Jesus and the Holy Spirit are two seperate persons. Just as the Father is NOT the Son. The Holy Spirit is NOT the Son. The Holy Spirit Being in us is seperate from Christ in us. We obtain Christ in us through the Eucharist and only the Eucharist. The only way this can work is if we take Christ at his word when He says "This IS my Body" and "This IS my Blood". These are Words of Christ that you don't seem to profess.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Satan, the great deceiver
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on: May 10, 2004, 03:04:25 PM
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True believers come as humble servants, un noticed by society like David, Elijaj, Elisha, Amos, Malachis, Zecheriah, Jesus and the rest of the prophets. I'm curious to know why you lumped the Messiah in with the others making Him appear to be only a man?I'm curious as to why she thinks David was unnoticed to society. You can't get much more noticed than a king.
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Theology / Debate / Re:Knowing Christ's words
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on: May 10, 2004, 03:01:20 PM
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I am simply passing on Christ's words who is our teacher. These aren't my words, they're His! That's why if anything any of us says does not agree with his words, then they are false teachings. No you're not. You're not only passing on Christ's words in your posts. Your telling us what you think they mean. If you truly only believed what Christ said you probably wouldn't have any limbs now, or eyes. You are giving us your interpretation of Christ's words along with Christ's words Why do I have to be a teacher to believe His words? It isn't ME who I want people to look at, it's Christ! I'm simply a tool that he uses just like you are. If people learn through me, then they are being drawn by God. I've said the exact same thing to atheists who aren't interested at all. Therefore, it is not me who teaches, but the Holy Spirit that works in all of us. As long as the Holy Spirit leads me, God's work will be accomplished to the degree that He is using me. Any teaching that is intended to glorify ourselves is fostering the sin of pride.
So He is just using you as a tool? So that everyone on earth can be a tool? Do you see where your interpretation lands you. You're now a robot who can not decide anything for yourself. You can't recognise good from evil on your own and you are helpless. That's not how God created us. It's NOT how He works.
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Theology / Apologetics / Re:The communion of the Lord's supper...
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on: May 10, 2004, 11:06:51 AM
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Christ does indeed live inside of us. There are many verses that demonstrate this, but I'll use Gal. 2:20, "...for it is no longer I who lives, but Christ who lives in me." As born again Christians, we have eaten the flesh and drunk the blood of Christ through His reusrrection in the form of the Holy Spirit. That is why He had to die before people could receive it. The only thing He could do to give power to His disciple before He returned to our Father is blow on them in order for them to receive His spirit. Unfortunately, the catholic church has taken that to mean that those upon whom he blew gave them power instead of the Holy Spirit that was given to people individually since pentecost.
Jesus instructed us to drink wine and bread in REMEMBRANCE of the entrance of His body into ours so that,"on that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you."
However He said this IS my body and this IS my blood. Later on he says my body is food indeed, and my blood is Drink indeed. Juets from these two verses I can see iteral communion. I don't have to make up some crazy doctrine of Jesus meaning sybolically and the Holy Spirit is Christ inside of us. Even though the Holy Spirit is NOT the word. they are two seperate persons. You don't seem to be following Christ's words Heidi. But rather, making your own man-made tradition.
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