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1  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Homosexual marriages on: February 21, 2004, 07:19:01 PM
Well syphony you asked for responses so here it goes.  I believe what you did was absolutly wrong.  Yes we are always to speak the truth but in LOVE.  The bible tells us that we should be ready in season and out of season to give reasons for what we believe.  It does not tell us to shove it down someones throat.  However if I thought it would work I would probable do it.  The problem is no one will understand and accept Christ if we try to stuff it to them.  The only way they can understand Christs love is if we show it to them.  
Homosexuals are the same.  They dont need us to keep telling them its wrong.  In their heart of hearts they already know its wrong.  We need to help them out of the sin that is destroying them.  If we can show how Christ will truely set them free they will turn to him.  
You yourself said you probably didnt look very loving.  Do you feel that your display would change a single persons view point or did you do it out of anger over the issue?  As Christians we need to focus our efforts on helping homosexuals personally and on the issue of same sex marriage we must keep ourselves fully informed and up to date.  The more we understand about the agenda the more we can do to stop it in its tracks.  Please go back and read my earlier post a day or two ago.
2  Theology / Prophecy - Current Events / Re:Homosexual marriages on: February 16, 2004, 11:31:50 PM
Hello all
this is my first day here and I would like to put in my thoughts on this subject, but first to the guy who thinks the old testament is done and over  what about Jesus saying I did not come to destroy the law but to fufill it.  I tell you the truth not one word will be taken out.  Sorry quoting from memory at the moment so its not perfect but close enough.

anyways the problem with Gay marriage is not just that we Christians dont like it or even simply that it is a sin.  We all need to remember that we are all sinners and have fallen short of the glory of GOd.    
The following in a summary of why we as Christians and as a country must not allow this.
First with respect to Civil rights
1. In the united states the civil rights which we all enjoy are rooted in "the laws of Nature and of Natures God"(see constitution)  in the unalienable rights to life liberty and the pursuit of happiness.
2. The unique source for unalienable rights is the Creator, the God of the Bible.
3. The Creator defines true marriage as one man and one woman in mutual fidelity.  The health of society and well being of children are rooted in this foundation.  Thus the Source for unalienable rights also gives us the true definition of marriage.
4. In human history, no society rootied in the approval of homosexuality has ever produced unalienable rights for the larger social order.

Same sex marriage has been put fourth most often as a civil right.  But such a "right" cannot be rooted in the unalienable rights given by the creator, and as well same sex marriage is historically unprecedented.  Also same sex marriage redifines marriage downward and indeed it aims for a definition closer to open marriage where mutual fidelity is not expected.  This in the view of such an extream idea, its advocates need to answer these questions
1. are civil rights being redifined
2. if so why
3.if so what is the new basis for these rights
4. what are the consequences
If these questions can not be answered with clarity and historical precedence a legitamate argument for same sex marriage has not been made


In summary God gives us inallienable rights  if anyone were to give them they could be taken away but God gives them to us so they are inalienable       Civil rights are always rooted in inalienable rights.    Same sex marriage goes against God therefore they can not become a right without erasing our basis for inalienable rights.     There is no other way to have inalienable rights if not given by an almighty God.

We as Christians MUST come along side of gays and love them.  Not be nasty to them.  They are dealing with a powerful sin in their lives and understandable are suffering a lot.  A statistic you may find interesting is that over 90% of all women who call themselves lesbian were abused (usually sexually)by a father or significant male role model in their younger years.  Their homosexuality was just a bad way of dealing with a terrible wrong that was done to them.  Gay men have simular stats.    We would all do ourselves good to become more educated on these issues.  Knowing your against it isnt good enough.  We must be able to give reasons and that means more than just God said so.  

A long post for my first one but this is an issue I am very concerned with.
Thanks
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