[It basically was just from what highway construction crews had discovered along about the year 2000 or so and, apparently, at least as I recall, what forensic experts had determined from the skeletal remains of the victims found there.

In all fairness I should probably read the New York Times report itself and comment on it directly.  

Thanks,
Nathan

There are a few Catholics, I think an Anglican or 2,  some Mormans and JW visit every once is a blue moon. Everyone else seems to be Baptist, Independent, or Charismatic.

Mind passing along the url of your board. Sounds interesting.

Sure, its www.christiansonline.cc .

http://channels.netscape.com/ns/news/package.jsp?name=fte/lust/lust

I think the link is here.  For some reason the end of the link didn't get into the hyper link.  

I see this as sad and it reminds me of a retired Anglican Bishop named John Shelby Spong who thinks we should bring Christianity into the 21st century.  Here is a link to his new 'theses' that he wants to see inacted: http://www.dioceseofnewark.org/jsspong/reform.html
Some of you may have heard of him before but it is hard to imagine a more foolish set of theses.  

It goes to remind me that the new morality is just the old immorality and the modern intellectual take on religion is just complete rejection of faith.

Thanks,
Nathan

Hi Everyone,

Thanks for the welcomes and thoughts.
 
Sower:  I love talking about the Bible and how it applies to my beliefs and I see a great consistency there.
 
I hope I’m not giving the wrong impression.  I am very happy with the truths that I have learned in my life and I will defend, and have defended, them vigorously when needed.  I am here because I enjoy religious discussion and talking about the Bible.  I also enjoy learning why others believe what they believe.  

I am very aware of the Tanners and their work.  I find they make liberal use of half truth to stretch a point and I have seen many examples of how their data is not to be relied on.  Here is a link to an article that shows how selective they can be when they choose quotations: http://www.fairlds.org/apol/misc/misc20.html
I have a friend who has met them and they seem like nice enough people but their scholarship leaves much to be desired.  

Symphony:  My login name comes from a quote about being clean ‘every wit.’  The ‘whit’ part is a play on my last name.  

The ‘Mountain Meadows Massacre’ which is the common name for the killing of the wagon train from Arkansas, has been a black eye in our history every since it happened.  My mother told me about it when I was about 16 years old, about 24 years ago, and the known details of the incident have not changed significantly since.  The only ‘spinning’ that has been going on is that people, like this New York Times reporter, keep resurrecting the details of the incident with supposed new information.  I have read much on the subject and the proven details of what happened have not significantly changed in more than 100 years.  People like to make a big deal of the fact that Mormons were involved, they seem to want to keep that in the public eye.  Others try to tie the Church hierarchy into the unfortunate incident just as they have tried for over a century with no luck.  I find it fascinating that this article makes it sound like it hasn’t ever come to light that there were Mormons involved until recently and the Church somehow has successfully covered it up.  Well I heard about it 24 years ago and like I said, the details have not changed in over a century.  Here is a very extensive treatise on the subject and almost all of the quotes are from well before the turn of the century: http://www.angelfire.com/sk2/ldsdefense/mmm.html
If the article is trying to make it sound like it is a new thing that we now know more than just Indians were involved then his/her scholarship is very poor and he/she is looking for sensationalism as apposed to real journalism.  By the way, if you search the above website for the name Laban Morrill, that is my great great Grandfather.  He tried to ease the fear of the community leaders towards the Arkansans ( I grew up in Arkansas by the way.)  He also testified at the second trial of John D. Lee, the man ultimately convicted of wrong doing in the incident.  

BlackEyedPeas:  I hope I can join some good Bible discussions when I have time.  Thanks for the welcome.

JudgeNot: Thanks for the kind words towards Mormons.  I must say I have met many kind Evangelical Christians of different denominations and we usualy agree to disagree though I have ongoing discussions with several.  I seem to always have an email debate of some kind going with Evangelical friends on the internet.  I look forward to learning more about you.

Thanks All,
Nathan

Hello All,

It sounds like there is a lot of healthy praise for and exchange of ideas about Jesus Christ happening on this site.  I thought I would drop in an see how you view the world.  

This site seems more Evangelical centered than the one I frequent most.  There are Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, and even several like me; from the Church of Jesus Christ known as Mormons; on that site.  I'm curious to see how some of the discussions progress on this site in comparison to that site.  In reading the rules I don't see anything that would focus more on Evangelical protestants than on all the others here.  Are there Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Seventh Day Adventists, and possibly other Mormons posting on this site?  I'm always interested in getting different perspectives.  From what I can see as I have read some of the posts, it is not always obvious where the poster is coming from doctrinally.

I'm happy to be here and hope to say hi once in a while.  I don't have time to post extensively but I will probably focus on a few threads and join the discussion.  

Would it surprise anyone to know that I believe that Jesus Christ is fully God?  I was reading some of that discussion earlier.  

I also hope I can make some new friends here.  

Your New Friend in Christ,
Nathan