["For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house." (Ezekiel 23:39)]

About 10 years ago,a bizarre ceremony was held inside Coventry Cathedral, England to "celebrate" the longstanding association of the area with the motor industry,with cars being actually DRIVEN DOWN THE AISLE,an event that outraged anti-car protesters, environmentalists and sensible people everywhere who were saddened at the way these "tin idols" were being "worshipped".
Bearing in mind car exhausts contribute to the deaths of asthmatic children,this verse sprung to my mind:-
"For when they had slain their children to their idols, then they came the same day into my sanctuary to profane it; and, lo, thus have they done in the midst of mine house." (Ezekiel 23:39)

["I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)]

Am i the only one to talk straight in this forum? How can i answer some of you if i can't even tell what you're talking about in your long over-complex convoluted posts or your short one-liners that make no sense to anyone except yourselves?
Please listen to Paul:-
"I'm worried lest you be led astray from the simplicity of Christ" (2 Cor 11:3)

Sorry Judgenot,but the weight of scripture and commonsense is against you.

For example,let's assume he WAS God.This means that according to your reasoning he was lying when the Chief Priest asked him "Are you the Son of God?",and he replied "I am". (Mark 14:62)

If he WAS God the truthful answer would have been "No I'm not the Son of God,I AM God".

Also,check out this verse where God speaks from above:-
"This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. - We ourselves heard this voice that came from heaven when we were with him on the sacred mountain." (2 Peter 1:17/18)
You see,Jesus was standing there on earth,whereas Gods voice was a SEPARATE thing.

Oh,and remember,Jesus described himself as "the Messiah" (to the woman at the well),which means "Anointed",so here again we have two distinct persons,the anointer (God) and the anointed (Jesus)

Remember,a lot of people share my view that Jesus wasn't God in the physical sense,I'm not the only one!
But sadly far too many people are Trinity-obsessed to the point where it blinds them!

PS:-Re my assertion that too much intensive Bible study is counter-productive,its the same as constantly replaying your favourite piece of music nonstop hour after hour day after day,it'd soon lose its beauty.
 Far better to take a break and come back to it in a refreshed receptive frame of mind later!
A sip of the "living water" offered by Jesus is far more refreshing if taken time to time rather than bloat youself with endless drinking.
Likewise,the mustard seed of faith isn't going to grow if over-watered and saturated!
Again,a commonsense approach is all that's needed  
 

 

["..they went to take charge of him, for they said, He is out of his mind. And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, He is possessed by Beelzebub," (Mark 3:21/22)]

I notice some people in the forum have begun calling me insane and demonic,but this is only to be expected from those unused to my bright and breezy style, and even Jesus was called the same thing :-
"..they went to take charge of him, for they said, He is out of his mind.  And the teachers of the law who came down from Jerusalem said, He is possessed by Beelzebub," (Mark 3:21/22)

It seems two things have upset traditionalists here (who incidentally are fond of twisting my postings out of context); firstly when i said Jesus is NOT God,and secondly when i said too much Bible study can be counter-productive.
I wish people who disagree with me would state their case intelligently instead of resorting to childish name-calling!

This verse (among others) makes it perfectly clear Jesus wasn't God when he spoke about Judgement Day:-
"Of that day no-one knows,not the angels nor the Son,but only the Father" (13:32  )  
Therefore how can anyone logically believe he was God?
I challenge you to put forth your argument please!

Regarding too much Bible study,I have an evangelist friend and team-member with a schizophrenia problem,and we're worried about him because he's making himself worse by relentlessly studying the Bible every waking moment,even when his mind is too dog-tired to take it in.
He's trying to commit to memory every tiny little detail of every verse of the entire Bible,and has even enrolled in Theology College and sadly his condition is deteriorating.
I challenge you to give me advice to pass on to him  

I can only repeat what I've said elsewhere in this forum:- People in Christian chatrooms who i've helped to find Jesus tell me they wished they'd met a Christian like me years ago!
They like my strong,direct bright and breezy simple style,unlike the cobwebby way others have mis-represented Jesus to people for centuries!

However,I notice some in this forum have childishly called me insane,demonic,silly etc,and have twisted out of context what i said, tut-tut!

To my critics,I therefore say this:- Please ask yourself if Satan is using you like ventriloquists dummies to attack me and turn others in the forum against me?

 Sorry,I never argue or engage in childish name-calling,I just go my own sweet way regardless,and people are welcome to come along for the ride or get left behind!

[nor the Son]

Speaking of Judgment Day,Jesus said :- "No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father." (Mark 13:32)

So if he WAS God,why would he say that?

[:-"You have ONE teacher, the Christ" (Matt 23:10)]

But why do we need different denominations anyway?
I belong to none,hence i'm free of the shackles they impose on people by way of ritual,ceremony and rigid doctrines.

I think denoms appeal to people because they do their thinking and teaching for them,and give them a sense of security through belonging to a group.

Nothing wrong with that of course as long as the denom doesn't corrupt the Word,but sadly many DO,and millions are wrongly led up the spout!

Personally i prefer to be free to think for myself and it feels great!
I simply try to follow the young carpenter from Nazareth,just as he instructed:-"You have ONE teacher, the Christ" (Matt 23:10)

And he's simplicity itself to understand:-
"And the common people heard him gladly" (Mark 12 :37)

And I need no denom or clergy to mediate for me:-
"There is ONE mediator between God and men,- the man Jesus Christ" (1 Tim 2:5)

You see,my "denomination" is the Lord Jesus Christ HIMSELF:)

(PS:-Petro,as usual i look at the shotgun spread of different versions and try to use a reasonable centre of gravity to quote contexturally in modern english,it seems the logical way)

I've been going in Christian chatrooms virtually daily for the past year to help people who ask for help,and I'm glad to do so,and they tell me they wish they'd met a Christian like me years ago.
But there are always a majority who think they don't need help,and instead just scoff,mock,profane,blaspheme and ridicule Christianity despite all my efforts to get through to them.
Okay,that's their free choice,so I'll simply wash my hands of them with scriptural back-up!
Jesus said:- "Don't cast your pearls before swine,lest they trample them and attack you" (Matt 7:6)

My reading is that God will use different "yardsticks" by which he will judge everyone who ever lived,from the first cave-dwellers right up til now,even allowing for those who lived before Jesus and those who lived after him without hearing his Word.
For example,back in the mists of time,a starving caveman must have given the last piece of food to his wife and child out of compassion. Will God forget him? I think not.

 

haha!

So, Mick, are you fair and unbiased, or do you disagree with the Catholic Church? lol j/k

Aha,a straight question for moi!
Well I'm non-denom myself,but from what i see of the Catholic Church,it seems to divert itself too much from Jesus by praying to his human mum and assorted human "saints" instead,so surely anything that diverts us from Jesus cannot be good can it?
And isn't it technically blasphemous to pray to humans?
Instead,we should focus on JESUS and nobody else:-"Let us fix our eyes on JESUS,the author and finisher of our faith" (Heb 12:2)
After all,Jesus said :- "Ask anything in MY name and I'll do it" (John 14:14)



 

Nothing that I have seen in your post shows me anything but
your hatred for the muslims.  

About 4 years ago I was chatting to a group of my Muslim pals at their stall in Leicester(England) city centre,when suddenly several white skinheads began punching and kicking them.All the Saturday shoppers retreated a safe distance and stood watching the show,but not me,I tried to put myself between the skinz and the Muslims to calm things down.The police quickly broke it up and the fracas made the headlines in the local paper.
Ravenloche,Satan is falsely trying to make you think I hate Muslims,tell him to go to blazes:)

Yes Judgenot,open-ness is everything,but even that often works against me as far as women are concerned! We usually start off great for a while,but then she'll say something like "You sound so perfect,you're too good to be true,I bet you're a conman" and she begins to cool off and I don't hear from her again!
I think I'm in a "no-win situation"

Mick, it is clear you don't watch sports to much. There is on such thing as an "unbiased referee"

If a referees decisions favour our team,he's very fair and unbiased;but if he favours the other team he should be sacked!

Just as the foul spirit of satan can well up and take over possessed people and speak through their mouths, I also believe (and this is purely my opinion) that in a similar way,the beautiful spirit of God regularly welled up in Jesus and took him over with such power that much of what Jesus said was GOD HIMSELF speaking through his mouth,such as when he proclaimed:- "O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!" (Matt 23:37)
So in a sense only,Jesus WAS God at such times!