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Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 02, 2003, 05:16:25 PM
DO YOU BELIEVE?

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb. 11:6




1. DO YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED HOLY WORD OF GOD?


YES [_] For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.


NO [_] He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


2. DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD?


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16


He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18


He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36


YES [_] NO [_]



3. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE A SINNER?


For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23


For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Ecclesiastes 7:20


Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? Proverbs 20:9


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8


But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8


YES [_] NO [_]


4. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN BE JUSTIFIED OF YOUR SINS BY DOING GOOD WORKS?


Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9


And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6


But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5


Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Romans 3:24


Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5


YES [_] NO [_]



5. DO YOU BELIEVE THE GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS) OF CHRIST?


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16


Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor. 15:1-4






A. ALL YOUR SINS WERE PLACED UPON JESUS CHRIST.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21



For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18


B. JESUS CHRIST SHED HIS HOLY BLOOD UPON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS.


But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:13


In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14


And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:20


Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:9


C. JESUS CHRIST DIED AND WENT TO HELL (THE GRAVE) PAYING THE PENALTY FOR YOUR SINS


He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Acts 2:31



D. JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD THE THIRD DAY WITHOUT YOUR SINS THAT HE BORE ON THE CROSS.



And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:17


Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Romans 8:34


And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians 2:13


Jesus said:


And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24




DO YOU BELIEVE?


YES [_] NO [_]



Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Brother Love on August 05, 2003, 05:36:35 AM
1. YES

2. YES

3. YES

4. NO

5. YES

Brother Love :)


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 05, 2003, 01:29:31 PM
DO YOU BELIEVE?

But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb. 11:6




1. DO YOU BELIEVE THE BIBLE IS THE INSPIRED HOLY WORD OF GOD?


YES [_] For this cause also thank we God without ceasing, because, when ye received the word of God which ye heard of us, ye received it not as the word of men, but as it is in truth, the word of God, which effectually worketh also in you that believe.


NO [_] He that is of God heareth God's words: ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.


2. DO YOU BELIEVE JESUS CHRIST IS THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD?


For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16


He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God. John 3:18


He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. John 3:36


YES [_] NO [_]



3. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU ARE A SINNER?


For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God; Romans 3:23


For there is not a just man upon earth, that doeth good, and sinneth not. Ecclesiastes 7:20


Who can say, I have made my heart clean, I am pure from my sin? Proverbs 20:9


If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 1 John 1:8


But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

Romans 5:8


YES [_] NO [_]


4. DO YOU BELIEVE YOU CAN BE JUSTIFIED OF YOUR SINS BY DOING GOOD WORKS?


Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified. Galatians 2:16


For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast. Ephesians 2:8-9


And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work. Romans 11:6


But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness. Romans 4:5


Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus: Romans 3:24


Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; Titus 3:5


YES [_] NO [_]



5. DO YOU BELIEVE THE GOSPEL (GOOD NEWS) OF CHRIST?


For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. Romans 1:16


Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;

By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.

For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;

And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: 1 Cor. 15:1-4






A. ALL YOUR SINS WERE PLACED UPON JESUS CHRIST.

For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him. 2 Corinthians 5:21



For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: 1 Peter 3:18


B. JESUS CHRIST SHED HIS HOLY BLOOD UPON THE CROSS FOR YOUR SINS.


But now in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of Christ. Ephesians 2:13


In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins: Colossians 1:14


And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven. Colossians 1:20


Much more then, being now justified by his blood, we shall be saved from wrath through him. Romans 5:9


C. JESUS CHRIST DIED AND WENT TO HELL (THE GRAVE) PAYING THE PENALTY FOR YOUR SINS


He seeing this before spake of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in hell, neither his flesh did see corruption. Acts 2:31



D. JESUS CHRIST ROSE FROM THE DEAD THE THIRD DAY WITHOUT YOUR SINS THAT HE BORE ON THE CROSS.



And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins. 1 Corinthians 15:17


Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us. Romans 8:34


And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses; Colossians 2:13


Jesus said:


And he said unto them, Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

I said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins: for if ye believe not that I am he, ye shall die in your sins. John 8:23-24




DO YOU BELIEVE?


YES [_] NO [_]



Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 05, 2003, 01:43:00 PM
1. YES

2. YES

3. YES

4. NO

5. YES

Brother Love :)
Thats a A+ Brother Love ;D


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 05, 2003, 03:02:27 PM
Ollie, you get a F-   ;D


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Wreck N Sow on August 05, 2003, 08:12:10 PM
I believe im sick of you puttin down the GOD of old testament, not having a clue that HE is also the same GOD in the new testament.


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 06, 2003, 12:14:52 AM
I believe im sick of you puttin down the GOD of old testament, not having a clue that HE is also the same GOD in the new testament.

Hello Wreck,

It appears that you are the one doing that. You deny the power of the blood of Jesus and God's Grace in HIS GIFT to you, THE GOOD NEWS, THE GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD, and Salvation that you could never earn or deserve. If anyone mentions the Grace of God, you show up with your denial, saying that you can do it yourself, and attempt to set fire to the Gospel of the Grace of God. And now, a troll has arrived to assist you, but you will fail.


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Saved_4ever on August 06, 2003, 02:00:02 AM
1)   YES & NO.
2)   Ofcorse, NO. If GOD begat a son then that son will be another GOD! And if I accepted GOD to beget a son then I can not deny another son and son and so on as grandfather and grandson. If I accept a begotten son for GOD then I will accept a begotten daughter. Giving birth is an animal act and GOD is forbid!
3)   YES
4)   YES, Is a good and honor man the same with a bad and immoral man? if yes then where is the JUSTICE of GOD?
5)   YES but not as the CHURCH wants! Which is a fabricated GOSPEL of A,B,C and D (a Pagan Gospel).

Let us to CHECK this PAGAN faith . . .


Tis such a shame to see people that do not believe the word of God.  Not only that but it seems you claim to believe in Christianity, yet you have not a clue what it teaches since you think that God's justice is based on your beliefs.  If God were just the way you claim we'd all burn forever.  However luckily the LORD does love us and provided a sinnless lamb on our behalf.  In so doing Jesus Christ THE ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God, paid the price for our sins and our faith in him grants us salvation.

Our righteousness are as filthy rags before the LORD, so to think anything you do warrants you anything is so foolish it's sad.

You write and post silly things like a man who trusts in the knowledge of man, and not that of God.  Bad move.


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 06, 2003, 05:54:35 AM
brothel10,

UM??, so what are you doing here on a Christian Forum? Are you here to save and convert all of us poor Christians? If so, are we to worship you, or who do you have in mind?


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Saved_4ever on August 06, 2003, 06:59:42 AM
Besm ALLAH Arrahman Arraheem (In the name of God the Most Gracious the Most Merciful)

All of my thanks are to my brothers who are sharing me their ideas to gain the truth like Ambassador4christ, Wreck, Blackeyed and Saved4ever. I am here putting a questions about demmi-godman the Christ and the another version of Paganism,Christianity which is only a cut-paste of the Ancient Pagans.

The true Savior, the only and unique begotten son of God and his death for our sins in three days graving then his resurrection is the SAME BANNER of the ANCIENT MYSTERIES ever told before the birthday of Jesus himself. All of the emotion words which we get here from the beloved followers of Christianity is only cut-paste of PAGANISM. Every Pagan relgion claims that his SAVIOR is the true while the truth is everyone of them cutting and pasting from the other. The later version of paganism, Christianity is not new but a repeat of the paganism and it is not unique but settling between tens of the same emotional lie.  

However, If you born as a Hindu you will say that KRISHNA is the SAVIOR, SON of God who died for my sins, and resurrected again after his death, assended to heaven, and you will ignore JESUS holding him as a MYTH and FALSE GOD, and will claim that the Hindu scripture is the true Word of God and is GOOD NEWS for the believers as it is GRACE of God and you will quote JOYFOLLY from it the words which you like, and will claim that the Christian scripture is false.
But if you born as a Zoroastrian you will say that is Mithra, and if you born as a Buddhist you will say that is Buddha Ö. And on and on.

Every one is programmed by his PARENTS or ENVIRONMENT.


It's always good to know how uninformed some people are.  There has never been any other person claimed as a sinless person nor that they paid for anyone's sins.  Where do you come up with this garbage?  You can continue to worship your moon god but like every other religion, none of them deal with sin including islam.  Everything else including some false teaching denominations of christianity teach that man must earn his way to heaven.  This is far from the truth and that's what makes it so much different.

Jesus died on the cross for your sins , repent and believe on Christ Jesus and you too can have salvation.


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 07, 2003, 01:43:08 PM
OUOTE Saved_4ever:

It's always good to know how uninformed some people are.  There has never been any other person claimed as a sinless person nor that they paid for anyone's sins.  Where do you come up with this garbage?  You can continue to worship your moon god but like every other religion, none of them deal with sin including islam.  Everything else including some false teaching denominations of christianity teach that man must earn his way to heaven.  This is far from the truth and that's what makes it so much different.

Jesus died on the cross for your sins , repent and believe on Christ Jesus and you too can have salvation.


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AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAMEN Brother


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: ollie on August 07, 2003, 08:00:08 PM
Ollie, you get a F-   ;D
Sorry, thought I was helping move the topic along. Misunderstood that it was a test and grades were being given out. My post is gone.

Thank God for Jesus Christ the Lord.


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Brother Love on August 08, 2003, 04:15:14 AM
Ollie, you get a F-   ;D

Thank God for Jesus Christ the Lord.

Amen!


Brother Love :)


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Tibby on August 11, 2003, 02:54:49 PM
Listen, bro, Maybe you are not getting it, no mater how much you bash us, we are all going to remand Christians, for the simple reason that we have been told all you are telling us, and we have researched it, and found it to be untrue.

Instead of trying to bash out beliefs, why donít you try and tell us why what you believe is so great? It is easy to bash someone else, all you have to do is twist the facts in your favor, and your Church/denomination/religion/cult will follow blindly. Every Christian on the face of the earth can do exactly what you are doing right now, twisting the fact, refusing to listen to truth, and spouting off ignorance. We donít care! Try telling us why your beliefs are so great, and maybe we will listen, or at least respect you. By continuing to bash out faith, you only give us more reason to ignore you, and what you are saying. When you have something true to say, something that could save out eternal souls, we will still continue to ignore you! If you really want us to listen to you, then tell us your beliefs.


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 11, 2003, 03:31:59 PM
Listen, bro, Maybe you are not getting it, no mater how much you bash us, we are all going to remand Christians, for the simple reason that we have been told all you are telling us, and we have researched it, and found it to be untrue.

Instead of trying to bash out beliefs, why donít you try and tell us why what you believe is so great? It is easy to bash someone else, all you have to do is twist the facts in your favor, and your Church/denomination/religion/cult will follow blindly. Every Christian on the face of the earth can do exactly what you are doing right now, twisting the fact, refusing to listen to truth, and spouting off ignorance. We donít care! Try telling us why your beliefs are so great, and maybe we will listen, or at least respect you. By continuing to bash out faith, you only give us more reason to ignore you, and what you are saying. When you have something true to say, something that could save out eternal souls, we will still continue to ignore you! If you really want us to listen to you, then tell us your beliefs.

 ;D


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 11, 2003, 08:01:53 PM
1)   YES & NO.
2)   Ofcorse, NO. If GOD begat a son then that son will be another GOD! And if I accepted GOD to beget a son then I can not deny another son and son and so on as grandfather and grandson. If I accept a begotten son for GOD then I will accept a begotten daughter. Giving birth is an animal act and GOD is forbid!
3)   YES
4)   YES, Is a good and honor man the same with a bad and immoral man? if yes then where is the JUSTICE of GOD?
5)   YES but not as the CHURCH wants! Which is a fabricated GOSPEL of A,B,C and D (a Pagan Gospel).

Let us to CHECK this PAGAN faith . . .


Tis such a shame to see people that do not believe the word of God.  Not only that but it seems you claim to believe in Christianity, yet you have not a clue what it teaches since you think that God's justice is based on your beliefs.  If God were just the way you claim we'd all burn forever.  However luckily the LORD does love us and provided a sinnless lamb on our behalf.  In so doing Jesus Christ THE ONLY BEGOTTEN son of God, paid the price for our sins and our faith in him grants us salvation.

Our righteousness are as filthy rags before the LORD, so to think anything you do warrants you anything is so foolish it's sad.

You write and post silly things like a man who trusts in the knowledge of man, and not that of God.  Bad move.


The Angles whom God created (a great host of them were present when HE laid the earth's solid foundations, Job 38:4-7; and where also present [with the Angel of the Lord vs 7] when Jesus was born in Bethlehem, Luke 2:9-15])

Angles who are immortal , are called "sons of God" , Job 1:6,2:1; but, they in no way are like the [b ]Son of God[/b],  because he is called The only begotten Son of GOD", Jhn 1:18

The Apostle John goes on to write the following;

Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father:

I have not written unto you because ye know not the truth, but because ye know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.


1 Jhn 2:21-23

Quote
posted by brother 10,

Ofcorse, NO. If GOD begat a son then that son will be another GOD! And if I accepted GOD to beget a son then I can not deny another son and son and so on as grandfather and grandson. If I accept a begotten son for GOD then I will accept a begotten daughter. Giving birth is an animal act and GOD is forbid!

The word of God always exposes the lie and the liars, whose father is, the father of lies.

Who, has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.  (2Cor 4:3-4)

Petro



Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 11, 2003, 08:25:51 PM

The word of God always exposes the lie and the liars, whose father is, the father of lies.

Who, has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.  (2Cor 4:3-4)

Petro


Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

AMEN!, thank you brother. This Scripture cuts to the heart of the matter very quickly. This blindness is a horrible thing, especially when the WORD is heard and rejected.

In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 11, 2003, 08:57:12 PM

The word of God always exposes the lie and the liars, whose father is, the father of lies.

Who, has blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.  (2Cor 4:3-4)

Petro


Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

AMEN!, thank you brother. This Scripture cuts to the heart of the matter very quickly. This blindness is a horrible thing, especially when the WORD is heard and rejected.

In Christ,
Tom


Amen,

Jesus spoke to the religious men of His day;


If ye were blind, ye should have no sin: but now ye say, We see; therefore your sin remaineth.]
10:1  Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door into the sheepfold, but climbeth up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.]
2  But he that entereth in by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.]
3  To him the porter openeth; and the sheep hear his voice: and he calleth his own sheep by name, and leadeth them out.]
4  And when he putteth forth his own sheep, he goeth before them, and the sheep follow him: for they know his voice.]
5  And a stranger will they not follow, but will flee from him: for they know not the voice of strangers.]
6  This parable spake Jesus unto them: but they understood not what things they were which he spake unto them.
7  Then said Jesus unto them again, Verily, verily, I say unto you, I am the door of the sheep.]
8  All that ever came before me are thieves and robbers: but the sheep did not hear them.]
9  I am the door: by me if any man enter in, he shall be saved, and shall go in and out, and find pasture.
10  The thief cometh not, but for to steal, and to kill, and to destroy: I am come that they might have life, and that they might have it more abundantly.]
11  I am the good shepherd: the good shepherd giveth his life for the sheep.
12  But he that is an hireling, and not the shepherd, whose own the sheep are not, seeth the wolf coming, and leaveth the sheep, and fleeth: and the wolf catcheth them, and scattereth the sheep.]
13  The hireling fleeth, because he is an hireling, and careth not for the sheep.
14  I am the good shepherd, and know my sheep, and am known of mine.]
15  As the Father knoweth me, even so know I the Father: and I lay down my life for the sheep.]
16  And other sheep I have, which are not of this fold: them also I must bring, and they shall hear my voice; and there shall be one fold, and one shepherd.]
17  Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.]
18  No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.
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This matter of NOT willing to acknowledge the TRUTH. involves the WILL.   They are perfectly happy being in bondage to sinb.


Petro


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 11, 2003, 09:51:38 PM

This matter of NOT willing to acknowledge the TRUTH. involves the WILL.   They are perfectly happy being in bondage to sinb.

Petro

Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

AMEN! again brother. I love the portion of Scripture you posted. The description of Jesus Christ being the Good Shepherd and believers being HIS flock is beautiful and accurate. HE cares for us and loves us to the extent that HE gave HIS life for us. HE arose from the dead and we follow HIM as our LIVING LORD AND SAVIOUR. If we let HIM guide us and follow HIM, HE will lead us to peace, joy, and eternal happiness. Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT.

In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 11, 2003, 11:12:08 PM

This matter of NOT willing to acknowledge the TRUTH. involves the WILL.   They are perfectly happy being in bondage to sinb.

Petro

Oklahoma Howdy to Petro,

AMEN! again brother. I love the portion of Scripture you posted. The description of Jesus Christ being the Good Shepherd and believers being HIS flock is beautiful and accurate. HE cares for us and loves us to the extent that HE gave HIS life for us. HE arose from the dead and we follow HIM as our LIVING LORD AND SAVIOUR. If we let HIM guide us and follow HIM, HE will lead us to peace, joy, and eternal happiness. Thanks be unto God for HIS unspeakable GIFT.

In Christ,
Tom

Amen..again to you..

So, rather than focus on questions which do gender strife, this is the meat of the unsearchable riches of Christ which need to be preached.

Since God has ordained that, it is by the preaching of His word, men are to be saved.

All other subjects;  ei; "the son will be just another god", are fruitless, since by this question, it is evident HE has already been overlooked, and His own claim to be (Jhn 10:36-38), "The Son ofg God" not saying anything of what the Angel proclaimed to Mary (Lk  1:35)

If Jesus is not who He claimed to be, what need is there to quote the Bible??

[/b]  Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
  In burnt offerings and sacrifices for sin thou hast had no pleasure.
  Then said I, Lo, I come (in the volume of the book it is written of me,) to do thy will, O God.
 Above when he said, Sacrifice and offering and burnt offerings and offering for sin thou wouldest not, neither hadst pleasure therein; which are offered by the law;
  Then said he, Lo, I come to do thy will, O God. He taketh away the first, that he may establish the second.[/b]  (Heb 10:5-9)


God Bless
Petro


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 12, 2003, 05:58:27 PM

Amen..again to you..

So, rather than focus on questions which do gender strife, this is the meat of the unsearchable riches of Christ which need to be preached.

Since God has ordained that, it is by the preaching of His word, men are to be saved.


Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Petro,

I have been thinking about and praying about this specific subject over the last several days. I know there are times to be bold, times to be meek, and times to be quiet. I am somewhat confused about part of this. I have no confusion at all about contending for the fact that Jesus Christ was and is the Son of God, very God, our Lord and Saviour, and like topics.

The questions or confusion comes with discussions among believers. Is it a discussion, or is it an argument? Is there some good in it, or does it simply create strife? How long or how short are we to take such topics among believers? There are many portions of the Bible that deal with this issue and others, and I'm trying to study these portions of Scripture right now. I don't have a clear understanding yet, but I know that I have a problem of being too bold most of the time.   :)

In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 12, 2003, 06:19:28 PM


Amen..again to you..

So, rather than focus on questions which do gender strife, this is the meat of the unsearchable riches of Christ which need to be preached.

Since God has ordained that, it is by the preaching of His word, men are to be saved.


Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Petro,

I have been thinking about and praying about this specific subject over the last several days. I know there are times to be bold, times to be meek, and times to be quiet. I am somewhat confused about part of this. I have no confusion at all about contending for the fact that Jesus Christ was and is the Son of God, very God, our Lord and Saviour, and like topics.

The questions or confusion comes with discussions among believers. Is it a discussion, or is it an argument? Is there some good in it, or does it simply create strife? How long or how short are we to take such topics among believers? There are many portions of the Bible that deal with this issue and others, and I'm trying to study these portions of Scripture right now. I don't have a clear understanding yet, but I know that I have a problem of being too bold most of the time.   :)

In Christ,
Tom

Tom,

I know what you mean.

The scripture verse which I quoted, is addressed to believers, when speaking with believers.

There are believers which are stunted in their spiritual growth, because they, they are like babes, still needing milk, they stumble at the same word, which the unbelivers stumble at, of which the scriptures speaks of as a stone.

Th Apostle wrote the following;

1 Cor
2:16  For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ.
3:1  And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2  I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3  For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, and strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

And again,

Heb 5
13  For every one that useth milk is unskilful in the word of righteousness: for he is a babe.

You have been around little children who do not mind the parents, and when the parents try and discipline them, they argue, and talk back to their mother or father, they won't even listen to other adults; well this is the rerason their no sense in conbt5ending with these, if they do not submit themselves to the Spirit, there will be nothing but argument, envying, strife, and division as verse 3 above says.

On the other hand, concenring unbelievers, they declare their own unbelief, and reject the scriptures, while quoting them, argument, envying, strife and confusion is made by these to deny what is written, so they may justify themselves.

It is all vain, and is evidenced by setting and resetting the principles of the doctrine of Christ,laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. (Heb 6:1-2)

And it is done to deceive many, who are not grounded in the word of faith.

I say contend for the faith, pray that you may discern, when to speak and when to hold thy peace.

But hold nothing back when confronting the fiery darts of the wicked one, put on the whole armor of God, therefore and stand,  I say , having done all to stand in the evil day. (Eph 6)

God Bless,

Petro



Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 12, 2003, 06:35:01 PM
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posted by brother10 as reply #32, re: Do You Believe?

"If Jesus is not who He claimed to be, what need is there to quote the Bible??"
The problem is the pain priestly forgeries!! Jesus never claimed to be GOD!

brother 10,
Why do you quote the bible, if you do not believe nor understand the bible??

Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father, note; Jhn 10:30;
"I and my Father are one."
In its context this passage, makes it plain, the jews who heard this, understood Him to claim, He occupied the same glory with the Father, Please note their answer at verse 33;
"..........................because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."


As for your question;
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However, again I am asking you the question which you could not answer it:
why all the teachings which you consider it to be true is only CUT & PASTE from PAGANISM?
It simply is nonsense.
The fact is the teaching s you conisder to be true, are nothin g but foolishness, this is why you ask, foolish questions.......

Am I exagerating, when I say you are foolish, here is your next statement;
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posted in reply #33 by brother10
Despite the accident of the crucifixion and the so many contradictions surrounding this story, like:

What you call an accident was planned by God from the begining.
Note;  Acts 2:23, And it was no accident that ungodly men, who are ignorant of the scriptures and will of God, took this Jesus, and crucified Him, for if they would have known; the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor 2:7-8)
The only cut and paste here, is in your mind, which is cut and pasted...

Petro


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Brother Love on August 13, 2003, 03:54:07 AM
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posted by brother10 as reply #32, re: Do You Believe?

"If Jesus is not who He claimed to be, what need is there to quote the Bible??"
The problem is the pain priestly forgeries!! Jesus never claimed to be GOD!

brother 10,
Why do you quote the bible, if you do not believe nor understand the bible??

Jesus claimed to be equal with the Father, note; Jhn 10:30;
"I and my Father are one."
In its context this passage, makes it plain, the jews who heard this, understood Him to claim, He occupied the same glory with the Father, Please note their answer at verse 33;
"..........................because that thou, being a man, makest thyself God."


As for your question;
Quote
However, again I am asking you the question which you could not answer it:
why all the teachings which you consider it to be true is only CUT & PASTE from PAGANISM?
It simply is nonsense.
The fact is the teaching s you conisder to be true, are nothin g but foolishness, this is why you ask, foolish questions.......

Am I exagerating, when I say you are foolish, here is your next statement;
Quote
posted in reply #33 by brother10
Despite the accident of the crucifixion and the so many contradictions surrounding this story, like:

What you call an accident was planned by God from the begining.
Note;  Acts 2:23, And it was no accident that ungodly men, who are ignorant of the scriptures and will of God, took this Jesus, and crucified Him, for if they would have known; the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world unto our glory: Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory. (1 Cor 2:7-8)
The only cut and paste here, is in your mind, which is cut and pasted...

Petro

Thanks Brother

Brother Love :)


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 13, 2003, 01:03:42 PM
Thanks again Petro, Amen


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 13, 2003, 07:32:15 PM
brother10,

The nonsense you print, is a waste of time, and not even worth reading.

Let alone spending time answering it.

I suppose you don't believe this verse either??

It plainly is refering to Jesus.
1 Tim 3
16  ...............God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

The next verses remind me of, the times and seasons, when many will deny this very truth.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;


We are living these times out right now.. what do you think??

Petro


Petro


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 14, 2003, 12:03:32 AM
brother10,

The nonsense you print, is a waste of time, and not even worth reading.

Let alone spending time answering it.


Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Petro,

I think you hit the nail on the head. I gave up in reading brother10's posts, and I'm not sure who he is a brother to or why he chose "brother" as part of his nick.

Further, I don't have a clue why he's here except that, "Misery loves company". I'm absolutely sure that he will not be able to cause doubt for the Christians here in their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. However, I'm sad that he may be able to cause some doubt for those who are lost and have come here looking for Christ.

Brother, if you ever hear me say that I'm thinking about budda or pagans, please send the guys in the white coats to take me away.  ;D

If I am absolutely FORCED to convert to something else, let me just be a "munchkin", like on the Wizard of Oz. They have cute voices and are small enough to get in and out of tight places.  If I can't be a "munchkin", let me be a woodpecker so I can bang my head up against trees.  ;D

In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 14, 2003, 12:20:09 AM
brother10,

The nonsense you print, is a waste of time, and not even worth reading.

Let alone spending time answering it.


Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Petro,

I think you hit the nail on the head. I gave up in reading brother10's posts, and I'm not sure who he is a brother to or why he chose "brother" as part of his nick.

Further, I don't have a clue why he's here except that, "Misery loves company". I'm absolutely sure that he will not be able to cause doubt for the Christians here in their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. However, I'm sad that he may be able to cause some doubt for those who are lost and have come here looking for Christ.

Brother, if you ever hear me say that I'm thinking about budda or pagans, please send the guys in the white coats to take me away.  ;D

If I am absolutely FORCED to convert to something else, let me just be a "munchkin", like on the Wizard of Oz. They have cute voices and are small enough to get in and out of tight places.  If I can't be a "munchkin", let me be a woodpecker so I can bang my head up against trees.  ;D

In Christ,
Tom

Tom,

Well its a shame, brother10, doesn't consider the truth of the scriptures instead  of some other sources he considers to be inspired.

And I know your feelings, count me in, to whom else shall we go, only Jesus, has the words of eternal life..

God Bless you,

Petro


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Brother Love on August 14, 2003, 03:53:36 AM

Oklahoma Howdy to Brother Petro,

I think you hit the nail on the head. I gave up in reading brother10's posts, and I'm not sure who he is a brother to or why he chose "brother" as part of his nick.

Further, I don't have a clue why he's here except that, "Misery loves company". I'm absolutely sure that he will not be able to cause doubt for the Christians here in their Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ. However, I'm sad that he may be able to cause some doubt for those who are lost and have come here looking for Christ.

Brother, if you ever hear me say that I'm thinking about budda or pagans, please send the guys in the white coats to take me away.  ;D

If I am absolutely FORCED to convert to something else, let me just be a "munchkin", like on the Wizard of Oz. They have cute voices and are small enough to get in and out of tight places.  If I can't be a "munchkin", let me be a woodpecker so I can bang my head up against trees.  ;D

In Christ,
Tom

Tom,

Well its a shame, brother10, doesn't consider the truth of the scriptures instead  of some other sources he considers to be inspired.

And I know your feelings, count me in, to whom else shall we go, only Jesus, has the words of eternal life..

God Bless you,

Petro


Amen Brothers

Brother Love :)


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Petro on August 15, 2003, 11:45:03 PM
Bro10,

Just one word, ...................... Garvage.

Petro


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: nChrist on August 16, 2003, 01:04:20 AM
So, brother10,

Are you a warlock or a troll, or both?


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: lizmom on August 16, 2003, 07:28:25 AM
Brother 10, it would be a good idea for you to stop trying to prove God wrong through all of your extensive research, and see if it's possible to prove Him right. Start by praying. Give it a shot, ask God himself to prove Jesus to you. It can't hurt if Christianity is so false, because nothing will happen, and you never have to tell anyone you tried prayer out for yourself. But if the Word of the living God is true, watch out! Your life will be turned upside-down! Can you handle the challenge?


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 16, 2003, 11:41:33 AM
Brother 10, it would be a good idea for you to stop trying to prove God wrong through all of your extensive research, and see if it's possible to prove Him right. Start by praying. Give it a shot, ask God himself to prove Jesus to you. It can't hurt if Christianity is so false, because nothing will happen, and you never have to tell anyone you tried prayer out for yourself. But if the Word of the living God is true, watch out! Your life will be turned upside-down! Can you handle the challenge?


Amen


Title: Re:DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: ollie on August 27, 2003, 01:34:36 PM
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1)   YES & NO.
2)   Ofcorse, NO. If GOD begat a son then that son will be another GOD! And if I accepted GOD to beget a son then I can not deny another son and son and so on as grandfather and grandson. If I accept a begotten son for GOD then I will accept a begotten daughter.
John 1:14.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:17.  For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 18.  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:16.  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18.  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:7.  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
 8.  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
 9.  In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
 10.  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Jesus Christ was God's ONLY begotten Son!

 
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Giving birth is an animal act and GOD is forbid!
Genesis 1:27.  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 28.  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:16.  Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


 Genesis 8:15.  And God spake unto Noah, saying,
 16.  Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.
 17.  Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

 Genesis 9:1.  And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Giving birth is given of God to humans and animals to multiply and replenish the earth.
It is not even comparable to what God can do, has done, and is doing in giving the world His only begotten Son for our sins against His will.

Quote
3)   YES
4)   YES, Is a good and honor man the same with a bad and immoral man? if yes then where is the JUSTICE of GOD?
You know Jesus Christ"s words on this. Why do you mock them?
Quote
5)   YES but not as the CHURCH wants! Which is a fabricated GOSPEL of A,B,C and D (a Pagan Gospel).
Education about the differences of man made religions of the world and so called religious people in theses religions and God's true people and God's will for His people would help here.
Many in man made religions claim to be Christian, not just Hindu, Shinto, Buddist, etc., etc..
Quote
Let us to CHECK this PAGAN faith . . .


Why don't you teach us what you believe, so we can check it against the word of God to see if it be true.


In Christ,
Ollie


Title: DO YOU BELIEVE?
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on August 28, 2003, 03:11:21 PM
Quote
1)   YES & NO.
2)   Ofcorse, NO. If GOD begat a son then that son will be another GOD! And if I accepted GOD to beget a son then I can not deny another son and son and so on as grandfather and grandson. If I accept a begotten son for GOD then I will accept a begotten daughter.

Good message Ollie, thanks
John 1:14.  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 1:17.  For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
 18.  No man hath seen God at any time; the only begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him.

John 3:16.  For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18.  He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

1 John 4:7.  Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God.
 8.  He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.
 9.  In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him.
 10.  Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Jesus Christ was God's ONLY begotten Son!

 
Quote
Giving birth is an animal act and GOD is forbid!
Genesis 1:27.  So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
 28.  And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

Genesis 3:16.  Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire shall be to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.


 Genesis 8:15.  And God spake unto Noah, saying,
 16.  Go forth of the ark, thou, and thy wife, and thy sons, and thy sons' wives with thee.
 17.  Bring forth with thee every living thing that is with thee, of all flesh, both of fowl, and of cattle, and of every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth; that they may breed abundantly in the earth, and be fruitful, and multiply upon the earth.

 Genesis 9:1.  And God blessed Noah and his sons, and said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth.

Giving birth is given of God to humans and animals to multiply and replenish the earth.
It is not even comparable to what God can do, has done, and is doing in giving the world His only begotten Son for our sins against His will.

Quote
3)   YES
4)   YES, Is a good and honor man the same with a bad and immoral man? if yes then where is the JUSTICE of GOD?
You know Jesus Christ"s words on this. Why do you mock them?
Quote
5)   YES but not as the CHURCH wants! Which is a fabricated GOSPEL of A,B,C and D (a Pagan Gospel).
Education about the differences of man made religions of the world and so called religious people in theses religions and God's true people and God's will for His people would help here.
Many in man made religions claim to be Christian, not just Hindu, Shinto, Buddist, etc., etc..
Quote
Let us to CHECK this PAGAN faith . . .


Why don't you teach us what you believe, so we can check it against the word of God to see if it be true.


In Christ,
Ollie