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 I took this from an article I wrote for Bronzeblog.
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 Someone in Florida is a genius!! They came up with a fantastic idea in Florida. Take all the information for every known child sexual predator in an area of Florida, and place colored teardrop links on a satellite map according to where they live. Anyone can click onto any one of these tear drops and see exactly where these creeps live and what sickening crimes they have committed. There's a photo for each one of them also!! Click here to visit the site.. http://www.floridasexualpredator.com/

This is the best idea short of a public hanging for these incurable scum balls I've seen in a long time.
Of course, there will be the inevitable screams from bleeding hearts that this is an invasion of their privacy, and they deserve a second chance...TOO BAD!! and they don't deserve a second chance to re-offend!! I think I can speak for the entire population of the planet who don't harbour sick sexual feelings for children, when I say that we are sick and tired of these animals being released into society only to re-offend. Our children must come first.

Each time I read or see a story on TV about one of our precious children being attacked by one of these freaks, I want to personally hunt them down and ...well, you know.

These evil animals cannot be cured, and even if they could, I say once is too much; they should be locked up for eternity! Once God gets a hold of them, that's exactly what's going to happen, only His prison will be a place of eternal justice!

Let’s globalize this system, so these freaks can't hide among us, damn the detractors! If our weak kneed governments insist on letting these creeps free. Then we must take up the torch, and see to it that these animals never have a free moment again. We must watch them, and let them know they are being watched. Too bad if it's restrictive! You raped - beat - murdered a child dummy! You're lucky to be alive!

"these incurable scum balls"   Can we be absolutely sure that child molesters are incurable, even if they confess their sins to Christ and repent?  How can we tell homosexuals that they can be forgiven of sin and totally neglect those guilty of sins against the innocent?

Yes, I can understand your anger and frustration.  Our efforts should be focused on protecting the innocent, helping convicts not to reoffend and locking up those permanently who can't seem to help themselves.  I am not sure that I favour execution except in all but the worst cases.  

There must be some way to prevent people from growing up from children into adults that victimize children.  I think pornography has much to do with the problem.  

There are two kinds of people who prey on children:  pedophiles and child molesters.  Pedophiles are adults who prefer children exclusively.  They will do anything to get assess to children alone and win their trust.  Some will even have "pretend" girlfriends.  Child molesters are adults who do have relationships with other adults, some might even be married, have their own children, even attend church.  They take advantage of opportunities to have sex with children or anyone sometimes.  They might choose a child because they could control them more easily and remain undetected for a longer time.  

Pedophiles might seem a little more obvious than child molesters.  People might be wary of a loner man who befriends them and their children and asks for sleepovers or time to spend with their children alone even as free babysitting.  Child molesters can be anywhere.  One could live in the home of your child's best friend where she goes for sleepovers.

To protect our children, churches need to follow certain guidelines to prevent abuse.  Church workers for children's programs should have a police background check done but that is not all.  Children should always be adequately supervised at all times.  Families should always be careful about who is babysitting their children.  There should be no sleepovers for children under 12 and even then with caution.

If someone can into your church and confessed that they had molested children and were trying to repent, how would you handle it?  

 First of all, let me be perfectly honest and blunt.

 I believe there should always be people available to council even the most repulsive in our society. As far as child molesters and pedophiles go, that person isn't me.

 I make no apologies. I am a Christian, and I believe 100% in the forgiveness of sins. This sin angers me beyond my capability to have sympathy for those who would rape and or murder children.

 There is excellent evidence that these "people" almost always re-offend when left unatended - they are incurable.

 In my mind, if one such as these were truely repentant, and wanted forgiveness from Jesus, he would voluntarily request castration. If they are not willing to do this knowing they will re-offend, then they are not repentant.

 Even though the following verses are in reference to "normal" sexual sin, I believe they apply here also.

Mat 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.  


 Mat 5:29 And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.  


 Mat 5:30 And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast [it] from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not [that] thy whole body should be cast into hell.  

 
 Well, what would Jesus say?

 Mat 18:6 But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and [that] he were drowned in the depth of the sea.

 Honestly, I would have a very, very hard time keeping in control with such a person. I'm being honest here. I would like to think that in this situation I would be able to controll myself, but I really don't know what would happen. I would contact the police for certain. You can be forgiven by God, but you must also face the just consequences.

 

Matt:18:6 is the first verse that popped into my mind.

On being incurable..........I've read about that.  How about psychopaths?  They are supposed to be incurable, too.  Some psycho's are criminals, but the majority wear the mask of judges, ministers, neighbors, etc.  

Psycho's are a topic we really do need to discuss and not just push it to the back of our minds.  How can these people? ever get saved in the first place.  They have no conscience, no empathy, no remorse, so guilt, no shame, etc.  Supposedly, their brain waves are different from the average human.  If they aren't human, but look human, then what, or who are they?




   

This is a difficult situation for many. I had a difficult time with this myself. The Lord has brought two young men to me. One is 20 and the other 19. The 20 yr old is now in prison for getting involved with a 16 yr old. The 19 yr old is looking at a possible arrest for messing with a 15 yr old and a 13 yr old and rightly should be.

I have also been talking with a Christian step mother of a young 8 yr old that was molested by her mothers boyfriend. Even as a Christian it is difficult to forgive but it is something that, with the help of the Lord, we must do.

Mat 6:14  For if ye forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father will also forgive you:
Mat 6:15  But if ye forgive not men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.

The important thing in such a situation for bothe victim and offender is healing. The victim cannot heal without forgiveness in their heart. The offender cannot heal without true heartfelt repentance in theirs and not simply for the reason that they were discovered.

It is not our place to judge this but to attempt to bring them all to the Lord Jesus Christ so that they may be healed by Him.

Luk 1:37  For with God nothing shall be impossible.

Chris,

That is a good point. Many pshychiatrists say that it is because of a disassociative function. That these individuals were not given the love and concern they needed while growing up.

To an extent I would agree with this. They do not have the Love of God in their hearts.

I sometimes wonder if they are demon possessed.

In either case they need the help of Jesus Christ in their lives.

This is a VERY complex subject.

I agree they need the help of Jesus Christ and I've also thought about them being demon possessed.  If they're demon possessed, then there's hope.  If they aren't demon possessed, what are they?  How can one be human without human characteristics?  Psycho's are unable to love or receive love.  They're totally self-centered.  

Does anyone know of any diagnosed psychopath ever getting healed, saved?  They never present themselves to psychiatrists for help.  They don't think they need help. I've never heard testimony, but that doesn't mean there hasn't been.  I've heard psychiatrists on TV say that these people? aren't human.  Their brain waves are different.

Anyone else?





 

Personally I don't know of any "diagnosed" psychopath.

I thought it might be a good idea at this point to give what a Psy.D has to say what a psychopath is.

"Are You Involved With A Psychopath?"

    Stop The Madness

Published in "The Source", May, 2001

By: Michael G. Conner, Psy.D, Clinical, Medical & Family Psychologist
More Information: www.CrisisCounseling.Com
Phone: 541 388-5660

For most of us the idea of a psychopath conjures up images from movies like "Silence of The Lambs" and characters with names like "Hannibal Lector." Fortunately characters like Hannibal don’t really exist. Serial killers and people involved in ritual torture are rare, but psychopathic behavior is more common than you might think.

I have known several psychopaths in my life. The clearest case involved an older teen who had no sense of guilt. He could learn the rules, but he had no sense of conscience. The only thing that saved him was a mother who loved him, took him to counseling for years and spent a great deal of time patiently teaching him right from wrong. I remember a conversation where he told me, "People know when something is wrong because it feels wrong. I have to remember or be reminded that stealing from someone is wrong. I don’t feel bad if I take something."

Meeting this young boy changed my opinion of a psychopathic personality. Why? Because children with this condition are "emotionally blind." And while I do not excuse cruelty or criminal behavior, I have sympathy and appreciate how hard it is for some people to learn how to act responsibly. Without help, potentially psychopathic children will become adults who never remain attached to anyone or anything for long. They may end up living a "predatory" lifestyle, feeling little or no regret, and having little or no remorse - except when they are caught or about to be locked up. A psychopath is not necessarily a bad person. But they are prone to have problems with society, rules, expectations and relationships.

A psychopath will use people for excitement, entertainment, to build their self-esteem and they invariably value people in terms of their material value (e.g. money, property, comfort, etc..). They can involve and get other people into trouble quickly and they seem to have no regret for their actions. To date there is no checklist of behavior and symptoms that will tell you with certainty whether or not a person is a psychopath. But there are warning signs. The following warning signs are based on my experience but primarily research conducted by Robert Hare, Ph.D - the leading expert on the Psychopathic Personality.

Characteristics of a Psychopath

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      superficial charm
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      self-centered & self-important
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      need for stimulation & prone to boredom
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      deceptive behavior & lying
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      conning & manipulative
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      little remorse or guilt
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      shallow emotional response
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      callous with a lack of empathy
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      living off others or predatory attitude
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      poor self-control
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      promiscuous sexual behavior
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      early behavioral problems
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      lack of realistic long term goals
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      impulsive lifestyle
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      irresponsible behavior
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      blaming others for their actions
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      short term relationships
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      juvenile delinquency
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      breaking parole or probation
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      varied criminal activity

The idea that psychopaths eat people is a myth. In reality, a person with a psychopathic personality can lead what appears to be an ordinary life. They can have jobs, get married and they can break the law like anyone else. But their jobs and marriages usually don’t last and their life is usually on the verge of personal chaos. They are almost always in some kind of trouble or they are not far from it.

A psychopath is usually a subtle manipulator. They do this by playing to the emotions of others. They typically have high verbal intelligence, but they lack what is commonly referred to as "emotional intelligence". There is always a shallow quality to the emotional aspect of their stories. In particular they have difficulty describing how they felt, why they felt that way, or how others may feel and why. In many cases you almost have to explain it to them. Close friends and parents will often end up explaining to the psychopath how they feel and how others feel who have been hurt by him or her. They can do this over and over with no significant change in the person's choices and behavior. They don't understand or appreciate the impact that their behavior has on others. They do appreciate what it means when they are caught breaking rules or the law even though they seem to end up in trouble again. They desperately avoid incarceration and loss of freedom but continue to act as if they can get away with breaking the rules. They don't learn from these consequences. They seem to react with feelings and regret when they are caught. But their regret is not so much for other people as it is for the consequences that their behavior has had on them, their freedom, their resources and their so called "friends."  They can be very sad for their self. A psychopath is always in it for their self even when it seems like they are caring for and helping others. The definition of their "friends" are people who support the psychopath and protect them from the consequence of their own antisocial behavior. Shallow friendships, low emotional intelligence, using people, antisocial attitudes and  failure to learn from the repeated consequences of their choices and actions help identify the psychopath.

Psychopaths with low intelligence or a poor education seem to end up in jail more than ones with a higher education. The lack of emotional insight is the first good sign you may be involved with a psychopath. The second best sign is a history of criminal behavior in which a person does not seem to learn from their experience, but merely thinks about ways to not get caught.

So what happens to these poor kids if they don’t learn right from wrong? Parents with a child like this usually end up angry and frustrated. They will often shield their child from the consequences of their decisions and take the role of continuously trying to educate their child as to right and wrong. The child is always in trouble and doesn’t seem to learn. Their parents may begin to excuse their child's behavior believing their child will eventually "get it." When they don't, many parents resort to punishment. But what these children need is intensive guidance, instruction, training, choices, consequences and supervision. Severe and repeated punishment alone is the worst thing you can do. Letting a child like this run around unsupervised with violent and antisocial children is almost as bad. And child abuse is a sure way to create a social misfit or a monster.

There is a growing discussion among researchers to suggest there may be a genetic influence that creates a psychopathic personality. The psychopath may lack the ability to physically feel what others identify as the physical sensation of guilt. They can feel fear, anger, sadness in the moment but not guilt for what they did or what they are about to do. Some sociologists believe that a sexually promiscuous psychopath who can live off others is a survivor and may represent one of many genes for survival in the human species. Even more surprising has been the observation that many adult psychopaths do not seem to benefit from support, counseling or therapy and may in fact commit crimes again and sooner because of it. Research using brain scanning technology has revealed that the brain of a psychopath functions and processes information differently. One famous brain imaging study showed that psychopaths can remain calm looking photos of dead bodies in automobile accidents where as other people were clearly upset. They don't use their brain they way others do. This suggests that they may be physically different from normal people.

Are you involved with a psychopath? You may not know because they can be very charming and friendly until you get close and disappoint them. Don’t assume anyone is a psychopath based on their behavior alone. It is the pattern of their life and many other factors. Please don’t go around assuming or calling someone a psychopath just because they may have some of the warning signs. Get a professional opinion from a qualified mental health professional if you think you are involved with a psychopath.

Thanks for the article after this one that you so painstakingly typed.  I'm familiar with articles such as this.  Have read many of them.  Didn't get a chance to go to the link you posted yet, but I will.

None of these articles answer the questions that I posted, though.  Probably because no one knows, or, they aren't interested because they aren't dealing with these kind of people.  It's been said that each one of us will deal with at least one of them in our lifetime, maybe more.  It's also been said that most bullies are psycho's.

HELLO?  Anyone else have any thoughts?

The only reason why I posted that article was so that others might have a "clinical" explanation as to what a psychopath is. Because of movies like psycho and media reports many people think that a psychopath is a killer and this is not necessarily always the case.

I knew that, PR ;).

Thank you for some very interesting information about psychopaths.  I do not have any statistics at hand about how common psychopaths are within the general population, but it is less than one percent.   They should be watched for.  A death sentence isn't a determent for them because they believe they are so clever they will not get caught.  Ultimately, they will get caught and received God's death penalty.

If nothing is impossible with God, how can we say anyone is incurable?   Psychiatrist will say there is no treatment or cure for homosexuality as well.  There is no cure or treatment for psychopaths because maybe there isn't one yet.  

I did speak to a child psychologist on this matter.  He had many years experience treating children.  Before he retired he went for several years to study prison inmates, many of them psychopaths.  Yes, they were some of the most charming people you could meet.  - superficial charm.  But what they all seemed to have in common was very abusive childhoods.  The psychologist told me that in his opinion that the best way to prevent this type of pathology was to give a child lots and lots of love and care, especially in the first two years of life.  

But some people do choose to molest children even when they are not psychopaths.  So how do we deal with those who are repentant?   This is what happened at one church.  A man was convicted of child molestation.  What he did not horrific but not extreme (I don't need to give details).  His wife divorced him but he was still granted supervised visitation with his children.  A minister ended up supervising the visits.  He lost most of his friends because no one with children would invite him over. Anyone without children didn't want to be associated with him.  He ended up going to a church that was alerted to his conviction.  While he was at worship or any church activity he was always accompanied by a deacon.  If he had to use the washroom, a deacon accompanied him.  I sincerely hope that this man can keep away from internet pornography.  If he does, he will have better chances of controlling himself.  

Some people are loners and their brains are wired differently.  That doesn't make them predators.  My church happens to have several middle aged men who seem a little odd, live with their parents and who are excellent workers in the children's ministries.  People are often too quick to judge by appearances.  

Many innocent Christians have been falsely accused of molestation and had their family and careers destroyed.  Satan is trying to destory children's ministries in some churches this way.  There are many law suits that claim abuse that happened many many years ago.  High insurance costs can prevent some churches from offering children's ministries.