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1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1Co 14:5 I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying. 1Co 12:28 And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of 1Co 12:10 To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another divers kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:

Some one must be able to tell this kind or we should not be talking .
This is one tongues



this is another
1Co 14:18 I thank my God, I speak with tongues more than ye all: 1Co 14:2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
THis is another tongue .This is a persons spirit for that person .because we do not know ,the needs of our spirit .the flesh on earth do not know this tongue .it is from GOD


this is another
Act 2:8 And how hear we every man in our own tongue, wherein we were born?
Act 2:9 Parthians, and Medes, and Elamites, and the dwellers in Mesopotamia, and in Judaea, and Cappadocia, in Pontus, and Asia,
Act 2:10 Phrygia, and Pamphylia, in Egypt, and in the parts of Libya about Cyrene, and strangers of Rome, Jews and proselytes,
Act 2:11 Cretes and Arabians, we do hear them speak in our tongues the wonderful works of God.
Act 2:12 And they were all amazed, and were in doubt, saying one to another, What meaneth this?
Act 2:13 Others mocking said, These men are full of new wine.
Act 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:
Act 2:15 For these are not drunken, as ye suppose, seeing it is but the third hour of the day.
Act 2:16 But this is that which was spoken by the prophet Joel;
Act 2:17 And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:


The 2nd one is the only one I have spoken in and do

Gary,
I'm glad you speak with tongues. Do you speak in tongues privately but not in Church?
In Church we are not to speak in tongues if there is no interpreter.
In the private speaking in tongues you edify yourself. Your mind does not understand but you are edified.
In the Church he who prophesies is greater than he who speaks in tongues because the Church is edified.
Tongues plus interpretation equals prophesying.
Every incident in the Bible where someone spoke in tongues, the tongue was an earthly language. It's ironic that most tongue talking today is alledgedly in an angelic language. Why do you suppose this is so?
I think that most of what we get today is not authentic. They say it's angelic because of one verse that Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 13. "Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels..."
Angelic tongues cannot be verified for who knows an angelic language? But give me a person who speaks in an earthly language that he has not learned and verify it by someone who knows the language and I will show you something genuine.
This is what happened at Pentecost. They spoke in languages of the Jews from around the world. They were understood by them and therefore verified genuine. I beleive God can use tongues today but I have not personally witnessed it.
Private tongues do not need an interpreter, you are simply edifying your self. Be sure before God that you are truly speaking from the Spirit. We should always be honest before God and ask Him to confirm to us that our tongues are real and not fabricated.
All things by faith.
God Bless,
asaph  

Brother ,here is what took place with me .I wondered at the start for a long time .Then I believed .Then I thought for some reason .GOD wasc not going to give me this ,and gave up .
Then I went to the altar and Told the LORD .I don"t care if YOU give me anything .I will LOVE and serve YOU anyway .Then I heard words I never heard before .Think it was some one else ?I looked all around me .Then I saw ?It was me .

It is very simple, really.  In all the examples when tongues was given in Acts, it was not asked for or prayed for, and there is no example of a private prayer language being given to anyone.  

Rom 8:26 " the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered"  means exactly that - it is not an uttered or spoken language.  Look up the strong's - this verse is taught in error to support a private prayer language.

if you are praying in a private prayer language you are being deceived - the enemy comes masquerading as an angel of light.  I was there, so I know how it feels and I also know why it happened to me.  I thought it was God, but it was a seducing spirit.  Please understand, this is deception.  Do the research.

shalom, nana

You don"t know much about the things of the HOLY SPIRIT ?Everything recieved from the HOLY SPIRIT is spiritual ,it comes from GOD .Not have this world .As when BORN OF GOD ?We take on HIS NATURE .As we then are HIS KIDS . We then are spirits like ,HE IS .We take on the mind or thoughts of JESUS CHRIST .
You SEE ?When BORN OF GOD .We are NO LONGER of the earth .But are still in these bodys ,But we have a new body waiting on us .We get confused ?Because we still judge after the weak flesh .Not seeing our new spirit ?We do not understanding it ,nor see it .But live BY FAITH . We want to understand things in the flesh .But this is not possiable ?because the things of the HOLY SPIRIT are not fleshy . We have it back wards ?The spirit [our spirit ] But be in control !This is what the bible calls ?Walking in the spirit [our spirit ] Led by HIS .Which is automatic ?Because our new spirit ,desires to serve our LORD JESUS CHRIST .It is the real us !It is what goes to the FATHER ,along with our soul or mind .same  Which our mind needs renewed ,or takes on the mind of JESUS CHRIST . Many things we need to know ?Can only be revealed though FAITH by HIS SPIRIT . We ask in FAITH ?We will receive ! The one tongue I have spoke in .Is my spirit praying to the FATHER for my spiritual needs .I can not see ,nor understand my spiritual needs .I only see the flesh .Which is here for a short time .Then it dies .But I never die .I am forever more .I go right to the LORD at death or shedding of this weak flesh . With out the spirit of TRUTH ?We can only understand a little .Never coming to a full understanding of TRUTh .

The problem with that premise, Gary - is that you are saying that God wasted His time giving us minds - We have the mind of Christ - which means our minds work together with the Holy Spirit, not against Him - once you are generated of Spirit and Water.

We are to pray with our minds.  The Holy Spirit gives us thoughts and things to pray for.  Many times I have been praying and God gives me things to pray for that I would have never thought of - that is praying in the Spirit.

There are no scriptures in the NT that say praying in the Spirit is praying in some jibberish language to God.

Spirituality is *how* you live - your mind set.  It comes from a continual persuit of  Godliness and holiness - cleansed by the washing of the water of THE WORD.  It is not some ethereal manifestation by which we "feel" God or His presence.

Knowing God, imitating Jesus Christ all comes from spending time with Him - not "in the Spirit" [we are the temple of the HS - he does not come and go] - it is a spiritual premise - not a physical one [we can't see it, feel it, taste it, hear it, or "experience it".

You are transferring the spiritual to a physical manifestation and there is absolutely no scriptural grounds for that.  Being in the Spirit is simply being right with God, allowing Him to reign, and seeking His will in all things.  That is true spirituality - not running around jibbering a bunch of syllables that mean nothing.  That is exactly what Jesus was referring to saying that a repetitive prayer is what the heathens do.

I believed the same things you do, Gary - but what God showed me is that I was trying to live a life out of my own self serving righteousness thinking that all my doing "in the Spirit" was godly - in fact it was interferring with His work in me, not transforming and renewing me into His image.

When you seek for a spiritual manifestation such as tongues, and hang your complete life in God on that - you are being deceived.  I also spoke in tongues believing I was speaking some holy language to God - then I discovered that the tongues manifestation was brought to this country by men who had incepted in from satanic tribes in Africa and TAUGHT people how to do tongues - this is of satan, not God.  That spirit is within the whole movement that promotes this teaching.

Do you understand, Gary - that the movement that started the tongues thing here in the USA was started by men who do not believe that Jesus is God?  That His death on the cross was not enough - that He had to go to hell, take on the nature of satan and be tormented by demons in order to fulfill the sin sacrifice?  then God raised Him from the dead - He was reborn as "a" god.  This is a false gospel.  That means that EVERYTHING they teach is wrapped in lies and deception, no matter how much truth it appears to have.  This is where the seducing spirit came from which has given birth to the tongue movement in this country.

When you submit yourself to this spirit - and it is a seducing spirit - you will speak in tongues regardless if you are a believer or not - because the gospel you came to belief in is NOT THE GOSPEL OF JESUS CHRIST - it is another gospel.  It is there to pull you away from God, not to bring you closer to Him.  You get hung up on the tongues, believing that God can't work without it.  That in order for Him to do anything in your life you have to do this jabber thing for Spirituality.  That is SO contrictory to the message of the Gospel.

Can there be true believers in this movement?  Yes, by the grace of God - and some as ones escaping as through the flames.  I was there once.  I know it was the grace of God that showed me His truth in His Holy Word and saved me from a life of continued deception.

As long as you continue to jabber in tongues, your eyes will be blinded to the truth.  May God have mercy on you and may you strive to seek Him with all your heart for His truth.

shalom, nana

I know nothing about movements ,could care less .What I know is tongues are real and for all HIS kids .At least the one where our spirit prays for us . Another thing is WHEN ,we are borbn of GOD ?Our spirit is made perfect ..As you know ?if we walk in our new spirit ?We will not sin . We have power over the holy spirit in ourv lifes .HE can do nothing or very little ,unless we let HIm .God does not force us to learn or grow .We MUST make the effort . I use the HOLY spirit for everything in my life .ASKING HIM things all the time .Every time i lose or misplace something ?I must ASK HIM to show me where .Som,e times it takes a day or two .But HE always shows me or teaches me whatever .You SEE ?Our minds aere dumb .They are not smart at all .The wisest man on earth is dumb .HOW can we be wise in the things of the HOLY SPIRIT ?With out HIS TEACHINMGS .We only know a little about earth .much less heaven or even our spirit .As we do not see it .Yet it is our main being .our mind must be renewed ,to take on the thoughts or mind of JESUS CHRIST .We can hardley see ,what is in front of us ?Much less tomorrow .Which HE sees EVERYTHING . And will teach us EVERYTHING ,At least as we can receieve it ? This is growing in our spirit .HE slowly teaches us and we slowly take on the mind or thoughts of CHRIST JESUS .GOD WANTS the same thiong ,HE always wanted ?A personal relationship with us .HE has not changed .JUst revealed more and bought us to a more perfect place .Tongues the gifts and much more has not changed .Mens minds have .You know JESUS said ?When I return ?Will I find FAITH on the earth .This is the only thing ,I know of HE was concerned about .Would we have FAITH .Because the JUST live by FAITH .With out it ?We are dead .And HE gave each of us a measure to start with ?Enogh to move any mountain .Yet the longer most live ?The less theyb seem to have ?I think they listen to others ?Then start living in disbelief ?What do yiou think ?

To be honest, Gary - I think you are seeking the feeling and without it you may not have faith at all.  All of your dependence on the Holy Spirit is that He doing something for you all the time.

Just as an experiment, stop praying in tongues, stop expecting a feeling and a physical manifestation of God for a week.  Depend solely on the faith that God has given you to lead you into His truth without all the bells and whistles.  Then you will know what faith truly is  :)

True faith is believing God by, in, and through His Word alone.

shalom, nana   8)

Brother ,You don"t see clearly .FAITH ?I been dead 2 times .at least 2 more times they said I would be dead unless I trusted the doctors .I trusted MY LORD . I been healed SO MANY TIMES in FAITH .I RECEIVED MY WIFE in faith .SHE did not even like me .My kids .She could not have kids .I told her how to pray to receive .My home .I prayed and got it .Everything in my life ,I mean every thing I got by FAITh .This is one thing ,You are real wrong about .I have FAITH enough for a number of people .I really believe . I"ll tell you how much FAITH I have ?The LORD told me a while back ,not to seek wealth .BECAUSE HE KNOWS I HAVE FAITH too RECEIVE ANYTHING ON EARTH . My wife tells me all the time ,I will be rich .But I tell HER the LORD does not want this for me .But She SEES ,how I receive of MY LORD JESUS CHRIST .Not because I am MORE THAN ANOTHER ?NO ,But because I believe GODS LIVING WORD .FEW believe more than me .But thetre is a reason for this ?I never had anyone on earth .I always had to depend on HIm .It was  wonderful trap .I THANK GOD FOR THIS .My boy was dead and my mother .I prayed for them !They came back . Faith ,I broke my ankel a while back . The next day it looked worse .I said ,LORD YOU going to heal this ?HE said ?You going to step out in FAITh .I said yes LORD .Boy it hurt .But by the next day .I was walking great .But it still looked bad .So if I went by looks .I would still have a problem .But I have many greater healings . Come at me some other way ?I have MUCH FAITH .

Faith in God has nothing to do with believing God for healing, for things, for manifestations.   The grace and faith of God alone blesses us.

Even Paul, who had much more faith than all of us put together could not be healed.  Neither could Timothy or Miletus.

You are equating faith with getting.

Faith is simply believing in God.  That He exists.  That He is the Messiah.  That He is our Provider.  That He will do as He chooses in our lives, not because we ask, but because it is His will.

The teachings of faith throughout the NT are not to "get" for ourselves, but for the transformation of our spirituality.  

When Jesus healed because of a person's faith, it was not because they believed He could heal, but because they believed He was the Messiah.  And if He healed and they did not understand it, the healing was to open their eyes to the truth of His Messiahship.

Many thousands of Christians are ill, mentally and physically disabled and incapacitated.  This does not mean they lack faith.  It means that God is using them for another purpose and that illness is being used by God to cause them to be dependent on Him alone.

Only God knows the heart and His perfect will and desire is to get us in complete and total oneness with Him - in Spirit, first of all.  Healing comes that we may carry out the will of God in our lives, but often times, we do the will of God in spite of our illness or physical disabilities, because it is by His strength alone that we endure.

Does God heal when we pray?  Yes, often times He does.  But often times He does not.  And it can be the same person.  Does that mean the person lacks faith?  No.  It is not our faith that heals. It is the faith of God, the ability and desire of God to heal for His purpose.

It bothers me extremely that you believe God wants people wealthy and in complete health.  That is deception plain and simple.  

There was a time [when I was under that spirit of deception that claimed God would heal because I said so] that I fell and twisted my ankle and believed in faith that God would heal me.  I had NO doubt that He could and continued to walk on it quoting many verses and confessing my healing.  Yes, it eventually healed on its own after several months.  It probably would have healed faster if I had not been so stubborn and gone to a doctor and had it x-rayed and wrapped.  Instead, I suffered greatly for a long time because I believed God could heal me when it obviously was not His will to do it "in faith", but to get the medical help I needed.

Many people have died and been crippled for life because they "believed in faith" for their healing.  This kind of doctrine is not Biblical.

satan is very capable of healing and will heal in Jesus' Name to keep you in captivity.  In the end times - which are now - he will be able to do signs and wonders far greater than we can imagine and it is possible that it is under his spirit by which you are being healed, not God's - even if you are professing that God is the Healer.  

I fear that you are missing much spiritual understanding, for you are bent on getting from God, not just being content with God alone and expecting nothing from Him but His will.

shalom, nana

The just LIVE BY FAITH .With out it ?We are dead in the water .Of course I look to receive of GOD ,by FAITh .And I do . You have NO IDEA ,How important FAITh is in our lifes . We receive EVERYTHING by FAITh . I can tell ?No signs follow you ?You never experiance much from GOd .Because of unbelief ?Unbelief is a killer ?With out FAITh ,we can not be3 BORN OF GOD .All the great things done by the LORd in mens lifes ,would never have been done .Sure I receive by Faith .And will keep on receiveing until I die .And then even more .But I will say ?We need to be careful and be in GODS WILL .
But YOU nEED FAITH .You will never receive ,with out believing ,that HE want to give too us ,Every good thing . I never believed ?I would ever meet anyone ?Who did not want to receive by FAITh .As this is the main thing in our walk .You can not receive from the HOLY SPIRIT ?Without FAITH As ALL things are spiritually discerned and received by fAITH.  Because we do not see them ,when we get them ?What we see ?Is the results
We accept by faith !The step out in FAITH .GOD WANTS TO BLESS YOU .HE is no repecter of persons .What HE has done for others ?He will do for you .But you must believe thses things are real .Then you must by FAITh receive them . FAITh is the key .We do not need to understand ?But we MUST HAVE FAITH . I would have NOTHING ,with out FAITh .No kids ,no wife ,no home .no business ,Not even my life .Would have been dead many years ago . Never be ashamed to expect anything or anything from GOD .In fact ?SEEK to receive from HIm .IT is HIS pleasure to BLESS ,HIS KIDS .As we desire too bless our kids . It brings HIM joy to bless us .HE wants us to have everything good .

sorry, hun - I want nothing from God but Himself.

Phil 3:7 But whatever things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ.
8 But no, rather, I also count all things to be loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord, for whose sake I have suffered the loss of all things, and count them to be dung, so that I may win Christ
9 ¶ and be found in Him; not having my own righteousness, which is of the Law, but through the faith of Christ, the righteousness of God by faith,
10 that I may know Him and the power of His resurrection and the fellowship of His sufferings, being made conformable to His death;
11 if by any means I might attain to the resurrection of the dead.
12 Not as though I had already attained, either were already perfect, but I am pressing on, if I may lay hold of that for which I also was taken hold of by Christ Jesus.
13 My brothers, I do not count myself to have taken possession, but one thing I do , forgetting the things behind and reaching forward to the things before,
14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high calling of God in Christ Jesus.

shalom, nana

REally ?I want any thing from GOD .I don"t care what it is .I greedly want it .As I told HIm once ?LORD I want anything from YOU .As I KNOW it will be a great blessing . You know how a dad is with HIS kids ?A dad WANTS TO BLESS HIS KIDS .And GOD IS THE BEST DAD EVER . I once got a couple new t.v. .I ask the LORd ?Where are the controlers .I need them .It took a couple of weeks .But I got them free too .But I expect ,GOD to BLESS ME always .Well I don"t really care about one thing on this earth for me .As everything is always for someone else .My wife told me today .What can I give you ,you would want ?I said ?I don"t want anything on earth .But I love the LORd to give me things .Not that I really want them .I just like knowing ,HE thinks of me a lot .

God sent His Son, Jesus, to purchase my redemption with His blood.  It was an extreme price.  He owes me nothing, but I owe Him everything - and a debt I cannot pay.

NO you can not pay for this ?But what you can do ?Is accept everything the LORD has for you .That righteous thinking stinks .You have no right to rejecvt anything from GOD .As if you are dealing with you ?HE desires you to have everything .You MUST ASK !And receive .This is What OUR LORD teaches .HE says ASK .So do it ! It is HIS PLEASURE to give to us .Your thinking is wrong .Repent and receive .Who are we to reject or not receive ,What OUR LORD DESIRES TO GIVE .
How would you feel ?If your child said DADDY NO I want nothing .I refuse to accept ? think about it .I do not mean to be harsh .But pride keeps us from receiving .self righteouness .Be humble and .say with in your heart ?I want ALL MY LORD wANTS ME TO HAVE .Because just as We want our childern is ask and thank us ?Our FATHER is the same .That youir JOY may be full .That you have MUCH to share with others .How can you Share ?if you have NOTHING .Havev MORE than you need to BLESS OTHERS .I know You LOVE our LORD .But ,RECEIVE all the LORD IS WILLING TOO GIVE .We are ki8ds of the KING .He owns everything .and HE desires to bless ,HIS CHILDERN .Will we let HIm ?or say I will not receive ? HE said ASK that your JOY MAY BE FULL ! You must come as a child ?think like a child ?Would a child refuse to ask ?of course not . YOU MUST RECEIVE EVERY GIFT HE HAS FOR YOU .including the SPIRITUAL GIFTS ,by FAITH . I don"t argue ?It is UP too YOU ? Only you KNOW ,how far you are willing to go with TRUTH ? Don"t lean toward your understanding .ACCEPT GODS WORD WITHOUT THOUGHT .THEN ,these things can be revealed ,by THE HOLY GHOST .Which is ,HIS JOB .HE WILL GLADLY REVEAL TRUTH .if you forget your teaching from the WORLD .LOVINGLY your brother in the LORD .

DO you SEE ?what jacob did to receive a BLESSING ?GOD LOVES THIS ! HE WAS WITH HIM ALL THE WAY . Because nothing means more to some .That too receive from GOD ANYTHING .DO you want this in your life ?or reject the BLESSINGS .I say SEEK THE BLESSING ,ANY BLESSINGS .Then share them .Just MY UNDERSTANDING ?

MalkyEL, why reject gifts from someone you love ???
God offers them, and you say nope, I only want you  ???
Does this mean a purer, bigger, stronger, love or belief on your part than the rest of us have for God  ???

Not much need to add to this conversation, Gary is right on target with the Word, and his faith is a blessing to me!  It just begs the question,  for all those who reject spiritual gifts, why bring condemation on those who accept them wholeheartedly.
As for me, I want ALL God has to offer, so I can better serve and worship Him.  

BLESS YOU DOUBLE SHYLynne .THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS REVEALED THIS TO YOU .MAY OUR LORD GIVE YOU A SPECIAL BLESSING <IN THE NAME OF JESUS CHRIST ,I PRAY .THANK YOU MY FATHER GOD .

Thank you Gary, I needed a double blessing today!  :D
I pray that you are renewed in the Spirit also and, "That your faith should not stand in the wisdom of men, but in the power of God." 1Co 2:5  

Now we have received, not the spirit of the world, but the spirit which is of God; that we might know the things that are freely given to us of God.
Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
 But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know [them], because they are spiritually discerned. 1Co2:12-14

Jesus said - seek ye first the Kingdom of Heaven and all these things shall be added unto you.

All that God's gives me is His grace.  I never refuse what He gives me.  It is all about Him, not me.  I don't need faith to receive from God.  He provides for my needs - because He knows my needs before I ask.  In other words - He will provide because He is my God.

Jesus also said not to worry about food or clothing because God would provide those things for me.

My desire is to serve God with all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.  Whatever He gives me is for His purpose that I may be dependent on Him for everything, day by day.

Joh 16:24  Hitherto have ye asked nothing in my name: ask, and ye shall receive, that your joy may be full.
DO you believe this ?

Heb 11:6  But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.

Heb eb 11:1  Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.

Mat 18:18  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
LOOK AT THE POWER OF OUR WORDS ?

Joh 16:26  At that day ye shall ask in my name: and I say not unto you, that I will pray the Father for you:
HE will pray too the father for our wants or needs .

ph 3:16  That he would grant you, according to the riches of his glory, to be strengthened with might by his Spirit in the inner man;
Eph 3:17  That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith; that ye, being rooted and grounded in love,
Eph 3:18  May be able to comprehend with all saints what is the breadth, and length, and depth, and height;
Eph 3:19  And to know the love of Christ, which passeth knowledge, that ye might be filled with all the fulness of God.
Eph 3:20  Now unto him that is able to do exceeding abundantly above all that we ask or think, according to the power that worketh in us,
Eph 3:12  In whom we have boldness and access with confidence by the faith of him.

nice scripts, Gary.

For me, they mean spiritual blessings, not material.  Material blessings come by the grace of God when, if, and how He wills, not by my demand or desire or need, but His alone.  

ps: the binding and loosing script does not refer to getting and getting - that is in reference to church leadership in deciding matters of judgment against or for individuals that appear to have done wrong.

Can I just come in here? What is meant here?

 1Co 14:1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. NKJV

Irene wrote:

Can I just come in here? What is meant here?

 1Co 14:1 Pursue love, and desire spiritual gifts, but especially that you may prophesy.
1Co 14:2 For he who speaks in a tongue does not speak to men but to God, for no one understands him; however, in the spirit he speaks mysteries. NKJV

nana:
vs 1)  pursue love/charity, and desire things that are spiritual [the word gift does not appear in the original greek] but rather that you may prophesy - speak what God has given you, or it could mean to teach - per strong's

vs)  speaking in a tongue means speaking in a dialect that is known to those who speak that dialect, but if you speak and no one is there that understands or can interpret that dialect no one will understand him, but God, so it is a mystery to the speaker and the hearer.

vs 3 & 4)  But the one prophesying to men speaks for building up, and encouragement, and comfort.
4 The one speaking in a tongue builds himself up, but he prophesying builds up an assembly.

again, prophesying could mean teaching as well as words from God.  speaking in a tongue builds up someone because they are witnessing in an unknown tongue/dialect that they cannot understand, therefore, if no one understands the dialect, it is not building up the asssembly, but prophesying or teaching does build up the assembly because they understand the dialect.

ps: tongue means dialect - a known language, not a spiritual etherial angelic language.

There is a heavenly language ,Not of this earth .Before man kind .What do you think was spoken in heaven ?Nothing from here .So this is from GOD .It is not worth argueing about .because it is spiritually discerned .Our natural MIND can not understand this .As with ALL thiongs given by the SPIRIT OF THE LIVING GOD .This little world has nothing great to reveal too man .nothing here saves or even blesses for any amount of time .To compare anything here with something from HIM .is not in TRUTh .As these things are SO below those things .of course we do it ,because we can only SEE these things ,when not where we should be ,with HIm .Now not everyone born of GOD .is all knowing .I include me .But slowly we take on the thoughts of our LORD .then our eyes are opened a little more .

Gary,
  You are missing my point.  I did not say there wasn't a heavenly language, I said we do not speak one here.  If it is a heavenly language it is in Heaven, not on earth.  If it was a heavenly language on earth, it would no longer be heavenly :)

the tongues the disciples spoke was a dialect - a known language of a nation on earth.

tongues  #1100  glossa

1) the tongue, a member of the body, an organ of speech
2) a tongue
a) the language or dialect used by a particular people distinct from that of other nations

shalom, nana

 Spent all my youth in a penticostal church Dad a AofG preacher..... Boy was i suprised to find out heavenly language is not a scriptural term.

BINGO!!!   ;D

Most of these "doctrines" get started by people who desire to offer "deep" revelatory "mysteries" that are for the spiritually elite - thus tickling the ears and making God's Word something that is full of mysticism and only those who are given specific "knowledge" of these things [via the Holy Spirit] and are given "light" while others are considered less spiritual, walking in "darkness".  
Been there, done that.  YUK . . .

shalom, nana

DO you understand ?When BORN OF GOD .We are no longer iof the earth ! We are childern of GOD .Our home is no longer here . Our spirits home is new jerusalem .Out there in spaxce headed here to pick up HIS CHURCH .We are NEW CREATURES .EVERYTHING BECOMES NEW .NOT JUST A COUPLE OF THINGS .EVERYTHING .Now I knopw this is a hard thing to see ?But when EVERYTHING BECOMES NEW TO US ?it is beyond our little minds in the natural to understand .
2Co 5:17  Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.
. Rom 12:2  And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of GOD
3:5  And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
1Jo 3:6  Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
1Jo 3:7  Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
1Jo 3:8  He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil.
1Jo 3:9  Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

LOTS of people can not receive these scriptures ? because they believe they are sinners .But then ?What to do with them .I say believe them .BECAUSE THEY ARE TRUTH .

Because when born of GOD ?How can we be anything but PERFECT IN OUR SPIRIT .
Joh 1:12  But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
Joh 1:13  Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
We really need to know who we are in the LORD .

Gal 5:17  For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.
because one is sin full ,the other perfect .
1Jo 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 1Jo 3:3  And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 1Jo 3:2  Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is.
Itb doesn"t appear ,Because we can not SEE our new born of GOD SPIRIT .
2Co 4:18  While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen are temporal; but the things which are not seen are eternal.

Mat 18:18  Verily I say unto you, Whatsoever ye shall bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever ye shall loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.

Joh 20:23  Whose soever sins ye remit, they are remitted unto them; and whose soever sins ye retain, they are retained.
This is a powerful scripture to receive ,even for me ?

 

Heb 12:22-23

22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,

23 To the general assembly and church of the firstborn, which are written in heaven, and to God the Judge of all, and to the spirits of just men made perfect,
KJV

If you discount tongues what do you believe about other gifts of the Spirit which we are told to desire.

Nothing is real to you until you experience it, otherwise it's just hearsay.

nana:
and that is exactly why/how people get sucked into deception.  True faith is not seeing, but believing.
 
Jesus said, blessed are they who do not see, yet believe.

The gifts were primarily given as a sign to unbelievers.  I believe that most of the gifts of the spirit that are used today, are not like those in the NT, but an imitation - and therefore are from the enemy and not from God.

Most of what is billed/manisfested today as gifts of the Spirit cannot be found in Scripture, and therefore make them counterfeit.

shalom, nana

1Co 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

1 Timothy 4
1 ¶ But the Spirit expressly says that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits and teachings of demons . . .

1Co 12:7  But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1Co 12:8  For to one is given by the Spirit the word of wisdom; to another the word of knowledge by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:9  To another faith by the same Spirit; to another the gifts of healing by the same Spirit;
1Co 12:10  To another the working of miracles; to another prophecy; to another discerning of spirits; to another [divers] kinds of tongues; to another the interpretation of tongues:
1Co 12:11  But all these worketh that one and the selfsame Spirit, dividing to every man severally as he will.

If we say that speaking in another language by the manifestation of the Holy Spirit is a doctrine of devils, are we not saying that Paul himself was proclaming a teaching of demons as well? God forbid! If that be so then our foundation is not a very sure foundation.

1Co 14:37  If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
1Co 14:38  But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
1Co 14:39  Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.

Is it possible to forbid a gift of God? It would seem so. And God, being gentle as he is would not force it on anyone who didn't want it. But God forbid we should forbid His gifts or even go as far as to despise them.

1Th 5:19  Quench not the Spirit.
1Th 5:20  Despise not prophesyings.

1Co 14:1  Follow after charity, and desire spiritual [gifts], but rather that ye may prophesy.
1Co 14:2  For he that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth [him]; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries. 1Co 14:3  But he that prophesieth speaketh unto men [to] edification, and exhortation, and comfort.
1Co 14:4  He that speaketh in an [unknown] tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.
1Co 14:5  I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater [is] he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.

If he that speaks in an unknown language by the manifestation of the Spirit can be understood by "no man" then how can some say that Paul was not refering to a supernatural gift.

1Co 13:8  Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away.
1Co 13:9  For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
1Co 13:10  But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away. 1Co 13:11  When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
1Co 13:12  For now we see through a glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I know even as also I am known.

Speaking in other languages by the Spirit have purpose: edifying yourself (1 Co. 14:4), and edifying the church if interpreted (1 Co 14:5). But "when that which is perfect is come" then they will cease to have use.

Eph 4:11  And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12  For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13  Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:

While it is true that we are being "perfected". We DO NOT "know as we are known". The perfect HAS NOT come. We still see through a glass darkly, and are yet to see "face to face". The evidence is in the fact that Paul refered to iniquity and the paradox of godliness as a mystery in these last days (Acts 2:17):

Col 1:25  Whereof I am made a minister, according to the dispensation of God which is given to me for you, to fulfil the word of God;
Col 1:26  [Even] the mystery which hath been hid from ages and from generations, but now is made manifest to his saints:
Col 1:27  To whom God would make known what [is] the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:
Col 1:28  Whom we preach, warning every man, and teaching every man in all wisdom; that we may present every man perfect in Christ Jesus: Col 1:29  Whereunto I also labour, striving according to his working, which worketh in me mightily.

Eph 3:8  Unto me, who am less than the least of all saints, is this grace given, that I should preach among the Gentiles the unsearchable riches of Christ;
Eph 3:9  And to make all [men] see what [is] the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

If perfection has already come because the gospel has been preached on in the world, then why did Paul say that he still saw in a "glass darkly"? Paul was still being perfected eventhough he was more educated in the Gospel than most people.

Heb 6:1  Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God,
Heb 6:2  Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment.

We are going on to be perfected, by knowledge, revelation, exhortation, etc etc. But until that which is "perfect" is come, we will do what we dont want to do, and not do what we do want to do just as the Apostle Paul declared:

Rom 7:18  For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but [how] to perform that which is good I find not.
Rom 7:19  For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Rom 7:20  Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
Rom 7:21  I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
Rom 7:22  For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23  But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
Rom 7:24  O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
Rom 7:25  I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

1Co 15:19  If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
1Co 15:20  But now is Christ risen from the dead, [and] become the firstfruits of them that slept.
1Co 15:21  For since by man [came] death, by man [came] also the resurrection of the dead.
1Co 15:22  For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
1Co 15:23  But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
1Co 15:24  Then [cometh] the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
1Co 15:25  For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet. 1Co 15:26  The last enemy [that] shall be destroyed [is] DEATH.

Christ must reign until all enemies are destroyed. That last enemy will be DEATH. That is when the perfect will come. Has death ceased yet? I think not. That is when the kingdom of God will be delivered up and we will "know as we are also known". That is when we will see "face to face".

Until the "perfect" has come, then that which is partial must remain. These gifts are here to aid in the perfecting of the saints (Eph 4:11) until our enemy of sin and subsequent death is destroyed.

We all have different gifts. And we are alll important to the function of the Body of Christ. But I wish we wouldn't refuse and even despise the working of the Spirit. God gave it to us for our edification (lifting up). Edification should be our aim because it rests on the Command of Love.

I'm looking forward to the day when death is abolished and there is no need for these manifestations of the Spirit. But until then I'll continue to talk in unknown languages as the Spirit gives the utterance. ;).

Act 2:1  And when the day of Pentecost was fully come, they were all with one accord in one place.
Act 2:2  And suddenly there came a sound from heaven as of a rushing mighty wind, and it filled all the house where they were sitting.
Act 2:3  And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.
Act 2:4  And they were all filled with the Holy Ghost, and began to speak with other tongues, as the Spirit gave them utterance.

Peace out. :)



 

JESUS CHRIST said?When I return ?Will I find FAITH on the earth .Will people believe in the gifts or anything ? THE JUST LIVE BY FAITH .WE BELIEVE WHAT WE DO NOT SEE ? seeing is not FAITh . NOT SEEING ,yet believing ,This is FAITH .DO WE DO THIS ?

Shylynne wrote:
 But until then I'll continue to talk in unknown languages as the Spirit gives the utterance. ;).

nana:
how do you know you aren't blaspheming God when you pray in your tongue?

 

JUST LIVE BY FAITH . NO OTHER WAY ? With out FAITh ?WE ARE DEAD IN THE WATER . You will never go very far in the LORD ?WITH OUT FAITH .unbelief ?is the biggest killer of all .We must believe even to receive salvation . Now we do not need to trust people .BUT WE MUST TRUST THE HOLY SPIRIT OF GOD . And we should receive everything ,HE IS WILLING TO GIVE .BECAUSE IT IS FOR THE WHOLE BODY .WHAT WE RECEIVE .NOTHING JUST FOR US . Even the things in the flesh ?money or whatever .It is to bless others .Oh we can have some ? HE WANTS US HAPPY .But also told us ?IT IS BETTER TO GIVE THAN RECEIVE .
You know one time ,I had no money .I went in my room and prayed for a job.a guy called right after .painting some buildings .I cleared $20,000 for one week .MOST I ever made working in my life .NOW IF I DID NOT HAVE FAITH or IF I DID NOT PRAY ? GUESS WHAT ?I WOULD NOT HAVE RECEIVED .Was this evil ?To ask MY FATHER THE KING .TO BLESS HIS SON .Which I am ? NMO of course not .HE SAYS ?YOU HAVE NOT BECAUSE YOU ASK NOT .OR YOU ASK AMISS . So I SAY ASK .THEN BLESS OTHERS .BUT ASK IN FAITH ,KNOWING HE DESIRES TO BLESS HIS KIDS .I AM A 58  YEAR OLD KID .I ask GOD TO GIVE ME THIS WOMAN .she is 34 now .I been with her for 13 years i guess .But she did not like older men . But we can have pretty much what we want ?as long as it does not come between HIM AND US . Now a while back ?HE told me not to seek riches .Why because HE knows I have FAITH to receive .Yet it would cause me trouble in the flesh .So ,I will not .receive the gifts and every thing YOU CAN .BLESS THE LORD .And BLESS THE BODY .WE NEED MORE BLESSING FROM YOU .THAN YOUR WILLING TO GIVE ?

Luk 6:45  A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.

To blaspheme God means to "speak evil" of God according to the greek text. I cannot speak evil of God if I dont think evil of God in my heart according to the doctrine of Christ.

Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither [can] a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.

When you are speaking in tongues, you are not speaking from your heart.  You are uttering syllables that you have no understanding of. Deceptive spirits can cause a believer to utter a tongue that is ungodly and evil.

I have talked to people who have prayed in tongues and been in the hearing of a missionary who interprets the words and they are curses uttered against God.  The person that was speaking in tongues was convinced they were speaking as the Spirit gave utterance.

ps:  a believer is not necessarily a corrupt or a good tree.  the context of Matt 15 is in reference to a false teacher or prophet.

You are contradicting scripture, as is written you will only speak what is already in your heart. The Spirit gives you the utterance, but you must do the  speaking. (Acts 2:4)

This statement has no scriptural support.


This is hearsay, and nothing more than a fable (a tale), thus has no place in a discussion of sound doctrine.
 Neither give heed to fables... which minister questions, rather than godly edifying which is in faith: 1Ti 1:4

THINK ?Could anything that comes from GOD be imperfect or EVIl .OF course not .reject those thoughts .You are a child of the creator .Live in FAITh .Believe the unseen .Know HIm as FATHER .Would our FATHER give us a snake if we ask for a gift .HE LOVES YOU enough to die .Then HE LOVES YOU enough to give YOU EVERY GOOD THING .And HE WILL .if you ONLY TRUST AND BELIEVE .HE has the final say so in your life !Believe this ?

What is the definition of 'Angelic tongues? Is this Glossolalia?
(unintelligible sounds) How can this be interpreted?
I don't know of anyone speaking in actual languages as they did in Acts2

God bless,
bluelake

Gary,
You quote many scriptures, but they seem to be off the subject of speaking in tongues.
A person is born again when they accept Christ as their Savior. Tongues have nothing to do with salvation.
We are saved by grace through faith. (Eph.2:8-9)
We are justified through faith. (Rom.5:1-3)
Rom.10:9-10  "If you confess with your mouth that Jesus is Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead you will be saved. "For it is with the heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved."
The little gospel? Please read Jn.3:16 :)

God bless you,
bluelake

P.S. !Cor.12;28-30

Yes that is how we are saved .Saved is born of GOD a new birth .You know it when it takes place .
Mar 16:17  And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;
Mar 16:18  They shall take up serpents; and if they drink any deadly thing, it shall not hurt them; they shall lay hands on the sick, and they shall recover.
Joh 7:38  He that believeth on me, as the Scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water.

Gary,
You didn't reply to my question about glossolalia and angelic utterances.
The passages concerning drinking poison and picking up snakes? How do you interpret these passages?

Blessings,
bluelake

I"ve only spoke to 2 angels in my life and they spoke english to me .As far as speaking in tongues ,I assume it is the words the LORD spoke before HE made the earth .I have no idea what my spirit is saying to my LORD JESUS CHRIST .But I know ?Only good things can come from the LORD and any gift ,HE will give me ?I gladly recieve .Even if I do not understyand as with things I have recieved of HIm ? But I would tell HIm ?LORD let me experiance every good thing from you .Help me to rwecieve .HE will bless you ,When you let HIm and are able to recieve .As we hold back the HOLY SPIRIT from doing all ,HE would like too in our lifes .As Wwe can not see the signs and wonders until our minds are in the right thinking as the LORD JESUS CHRISTS mind is .In other wards ,when we can more fully take on the mind of JESUS CHRIST .When we are walking in our spirit ,led by HIS .Which HE is willing always !But you see ?We must walk in our spirit ?Because that is who we truly are .Not this weak flesh .But yet We can do greatr things in this flesh .As peter walked on water and phillup was translated and more beyond our little minds .As YOU KNOW .All things become new !Nothing is impossable in CHRIST JESUS .We are only limited by our faith .And of course ,HIS LEADING .But HE is willing in most everything .Your words become truth .Be
careful of what you speak .There is nothing good ,the HOLY SPIRIT will not teach you or show you or even give you .Everything on the earth is ours .HE said ASK ,that your joy may be full .BUT please always ask if in HIS will ! Many problems are in being rich .