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 My mother-in-law started paying for subscriptions to National Geographic for me about six or seven years ago for Christmas. She renews my subscription each year. To be honest, I don't really enjoy the magazine all that much. Occasionally I come across an article that interests me, but in general, I find the fact that they promote macro-evolution as though it is an observable, proven fact, a bit tiring.

 In this November 2004 issue, the cover depicts a lizard head, and above that, the heading " Was Darwin Wrong?" When I flipped to the article on page four, the question from the cover was answered in bold 3 inch text..."NO! The evidence for Evolution is overwhelming."

 The author - David Quammen, goes on to make a very good case for micro-evolution, which knowledgeable Christians do not dispute, however, he then takes a giant quantum leap, and somehow uses the overwhelming evidence for micro-evolution to assert that macro-evolution is every bit as legitimate!

 Without getting into a "creation vs evolution" argument, I will provide a URL link where the difference between micro and macro-evolution are explained. http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/btg-094b.htm (http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/btg-094b.htm)
 A quick example of micro-evolution...

 One of the most commonly used examples of evolutionary change is one which involves a population of “peppered moths” in England. Indeed, many museums and educational institutes worldwide use this as one of the most striking examples of evolution ever witnessed by mankind. The story goes like this: Prior to the industrial revolution in England, the peppered moth population consisted predominantly of light-colored moths (containing speckled dots). A dark-colored form comprised only a small minority of the population. This was so because predators (birds) could more easily detect the dark-colored moths as they rested during the day on light-colored tree trunks. With the onset of the industrial revolution and resultant air pollution, the tree trunks and rocks became progressively darker. As a consequence, the dark-colored moths became increasingly difficult to detect, while the light-colored form ultimately became easy prey. Birds, therefore, began eating more light-colored than dark-colored moths, and today over 95 percent of the peppered moths in the industrial areas of England are of the darker-colored variety.

 OK, now to the meat of this topic.
The author seems perplexed as to why Christians do not accept the theory, and cited a 2001 Gallup poll... "where no less than 45% of responding U.S. adults agreed that God created human beings pretty much in their present form at one time within the last 10,000 years or so. Evolution, by their lights, played no role in shaping us."

 "only 12% believed that humans evolved from other life-forms without any involvement of a god"

 I wonder if the fact that the absolute lack of even a single series of transitional fossils, which caused die-hard evolutionists to produce many fake "missing links" to prove their case, turned the general population onto the fact that macro-evolution only exists in the minds of anthropological fanatics!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1248079.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/1248079.stm)

 The author asks the question..."Why are there so many anti-evolutionists?"

 His conclusions...
In part - "Creationist proselytizers and political activists, working hard to interfere with the teaching of evolutionary biology in public schools"

 Is this guy serious? has he been trapped in a cave for the past several decades? Evolutionists have had free range in our schools for years! The evolutionists with all their whimsical artwork spread throughout the text books depicting half man - half apes, as though they had just seen a colony of them at the local zoo - or the orangutan's jaw that was used to construct Piltdown Man. At least that was an entire jaw! another "missing link" was constructed from a single tooth! It was later discovered to be a pigs tooth!
 I can go on, but I believe my point is made.

 
 Quammen then goes on to assert that who do not accept macro-evolution are inflicted by..."honest confusion and ignorance. Many have never taken a biology course that dealt with evolution nor read a book in which the theory was lucidly explained"

 The inference here is that all those who believe in the theory, have taken biology courses which dealt with evolution and have read books in which the theory was lucidly explained....oh ya, and Christians are confused and ignorant! ::)

 I'll skip through more insulting journalism and skip to a photo of a bare chested - heavily tattooed man at the end of the article.
 The man is standing, facing the camera. He has no shirt on, and has a massive crucifix scene tattoo from his collar bones down to his waist-line. The scene covers his entire chest and abdomen. The caption reads..."A former convict in Russia, carries two enduring remnants from his prison time: a Crucifixion tattoo and drug resistant TB. He hopes God will help him, but evolution-based science is what guides the search for an earthly cure."

 What arrogance!

 I have just read my last National Geographic.

Bronzesnake

All those people looking for a resistant TB cure are standing on the shoulders of people like Leuwenhook, Pasteur, Mendel, etc..none of whom believed in evolution.

Sounds like the guy's insecure, perhaps a Christian girl wouldn't go out with him in college or something.

Those guys feel somewhat under threat, as homeschooled and Christian schooled kids do better in science than kids who are taught evolution.

Amen bronzesnake

I absolutely agree.

 Ha,ha! I like the girl thingy Tim.
I agree with you - this guy went out of his way to insult Christians, and that is clear-cut insecurity.

 Bronzesnake

Hi Bronzesnake,

Consider a letter to the editor.  Let them know how you feel.  I am absolutely sure you will not be alone in writing.

Peace

Alnilam

 Hello my friend.
I am going to write them and let them know how I feel. I will cancel my subscription at the same time.

 Bronzesnake

From the begining with Grosvenor, they were elitist and snobbish. I read a very old issue some time ago when one of their authors plagiarized Duns Scottus, and they never acknowleged it, at least as far as I know.

But it's ironic, isn't it, that homeschooled kids destroy the competition at the national geographic bee? It must stick in their craw that our kids have to be awarded prizes that they sponser.

 They can always claim the public schooled kids were evolved from an ape of lower intelligence!

 I'm considering building a web site dedicated to the real facts surrounding evolution/creation.

Bronzesnake

My personal email is tvaughan@charter.net. Please let me know if you do it.

I'm a product of the public skools and I turned out okay.

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heys its an ape thing.....

sometimes i get annoyed with the forum rules  >:(

Right, the appropriate way to voice your displeasure is to stop reading one of the nations most globaly informative magazines.  I have no problem with you being upset at this particular article, but in the end, thats what free-speech is all about.  I think it would be a real tradgedy if you were to stop reading National Geographic because of this incident.

National Geo. is a carnal, disbelieving magazine.

It's a reflection of the higher criticism, and cynicism, like of
Darwin, Marx and Frederick Nietzche, that emerged in the 19th century, with man's ambitious and aggressive industrilization - his need for only himself(thus Darwin's eye to only the organism as the be-all and end-all; and Marx's eye to 'the State' and the subsequent wholesale bloodshed that brought about in less than a century; and Nietzche's 'supermen' (the Nazis), and no need for humility or sympathy.  

My parents tell of reading the NG in the 1920s.  We use to have stacks about the house.

Yes, God's glory shines through it all - his creation there depicted beautifully.

And I have referred to NG many times.  Many interesting articles.  The ones on Pompeii and Mt. Vesuvius very interesting...

But a rather cynical view of creation, it seems.

Read my first post my friend.

 
 I would never have subscribed to the magazine in the first place. The fact that occasionally there are articles such as the one I quoted, which paint Christians as ignorant backwoods hillbillies, is what finally brought me to my decision to scrap a magazine I never really liked.

Why would I continue to read articles which support and promote evolution on a regular basis? Their articles on "regional flooding" as opposed to a world wide flood are nauseating. They have trumpeted the "fact" that (for example) the Grand Canyon was formed gradually over millions of years, and yet recent evidence and technology have shown that massive flooding can cause extreme geological changes in very short order. The methods used to date historical and geographical events is touted as fool proof, and yet the evidence suggests the opposite, where one must come to conclusions based on presuppositions and guesswork. Carbon and radiometric dating are highly unreliable, but due to the fact that the scientific world has a deathgrip on the throat of the general populations of the world, these facts are not brought to light - or are feverishly denied. Did you know that four labs dated samples of lava from the same source from 20 to 50 million years old, when in fact the samples were all taken from the last huge eruption of Mount St Helens? Ya, that's "fool proof" alright.

 I prefer reading volumes on archaeology, history, geography, Christianity etc. Where I can get much more information than I ever could by reading a magazine article.

 The bottom line for me is this...If it doesn't line up with what God says, it's a lie. Where do lies come from? satan. He must love it when people believe his lies, after all, misery loves company and he'll need all the company he can get when he's in between medium-rare and well done.

Bronzesnake

its your choice i suppose, but then that is only one authors opinion.

Would you be suprised to know that i know some atheist in America are scared of living there in case of releigion becoming too powerful?

its all a matter of perspective.

(does this go against forum rules? sorry if so)

National Geographic published by satan.  Well, what a wonderfully simple world this is!  It must be nice to have that sort of automatic response all set to go.  Saves you all that bothersome thinking.

HEY!!!![/i]  I come from a long, extinguished line of ignorant backwoods hillbillies!  An' ah'm proud of'n it!


 ;D

Realistically speaking, I don't subscribe to the mag, but I get the channel on my dish.  It's interesting to watch, but annoying that everything is preceeded by a "1 billion years ago..." kind of statement.  Good post Bro!

 The fact that I never said anything even close to that doesn't seem to bother you my friend. In your biased and clouded minds eye, you saw what you wanted to see and made a feeble attempt at sarcasm.

 Perhaps you should read it again, or better yet - get someone with a higher IQ to read, and explain it to ya.

The bottom line for me is this...If it doesn't line up with what God says, it's a lie. Where do lies come from? satan. He must love it when people believe his lies, after all, misery loves company and he'll need all the company he can get when he's in between medium-rare and well done.

 
 I guess the irony of that statement completely escapes you my friend. Even the most simple minded non-Christians would acknowledge the fact that the Holy Bible describes satan as the father of lies. So either you are mocking me because I am a Bible believing Christian, or you are ignorant of even the most rudimentary Biblical doctrine. You are on a Christian web site...you do know that...don't you?

 Bronzesnake

 Hey Thomas, what you said above reminds me that satan is the first Evolutionist. ;D

Michael

Thomas2004,

It's shocking that even Christians have the right to decide how they will spend their money and whose products they will support by buying that product. They certainly do have free speech, and we have the freedom not to buy it. What little money most of us have is usually spent for necessities and things that honor God. We have the same rights as non-Christians, so we can pick and choose what we buy and what we support.

Did someone tell you these rights were removed from Christians?   ???   OR, are you scolding us for exercising our rights? It's a moot point since we will continue to exercise our rights and buy or not buy whatever we wish. It's all pretty simple - folks can publish just about anything they want, but we don't have to buy it. By the way, Christians also have free speech the last time I checked. Regardless, you are on a Christian Family Forum.

Tom

Nah, BEP....he's just attempting to establish the intellectual superiority shroud that seems to cling to his ilk.....you know, kinda like the scent that lets you know a skunk is near even when he's a half mile away.  ::)

Evangelist,

 ;D   ;D  I thought he was confused, so I tried to explain things in a very simple way, just for him.

I think that he told us it was not appropriate for Christians to think. OR, was he telling Christians what to think? Well, I've decided to send him a message by carrier pigeon if I ever need help thinking.   ;D  He shouldn't hold his breath since I don't have any carrier pigeons.   ;D

Love In Christ,
Tom

Tom:

Nah, he was saying that Christians CAN'T think....or won't. Obviously, anyone who doesn't think like him is therefore intellectually challenged...but then he obviously overlooks the mental rigidity of his own position. Seriously doubt if he's a candidate for MENSA.   ;D

Easy there boys..  I have to say that I am a little shocked that you have chosen to jump to the attack so quickly and with such malice.  In questioning the motivations of one magazine reader, I was certainly not expecting to have my intelligence or faith questioned in such a harsh and unwelcoming manner.  While I too, my have made some barbed comments, it was certainly not my intention to insult or pull into question the depth of faith of any fellow christians.  I am often remis to learn that there are those in the christian fold that feel as though divergent opinions on key theological questions is something of a sin.  I trully beleive that it is not only our divine right to do so, but our duty as human beings.  Just imagine where we might be if no christians never questioned what they were being told by the seemingly faithful.  On the topic of National Geographic, I am firmily of the opinion that not all of the bible's stories are to be taken literaly.  I feel as though the 7 day creation story falls into this large group.  Regardless of how some may feel about that, I do not think that such beleifs are uncommon or in any way satanic.  Most importantly, they do not make me a non-christian.  Throughout my university career, I was often apauled at what I saw as a disgusting knowledge of international geography.  In fact, most students could not point to Iraq or Afgahnistan on a map.  (one would imagine that these would be two well known nations to America's young)  I simply feel that National Geographic can only serve to help these problems despite their view on evolution.

UM?? - ironic - isn't that exactly how you started out here from word go?

Moderator

 Maybe you didn't read your own post...

 
 Here's how I might have responded to that comment...

 I have to say that I am a little shocked that you have chosen to jump to the attack so quickly and with such malice.  

 

 What other parts of God's word do you chose to disregard?
Maybe Jesus isn't really God. Perhaps Moses didn't really part the Red Sea - he probably simply crossed a shallow part right?

 This is classic - many "Christians" pick and chose what to follow or believe in the Bible based on their own inability or desire to conform to it. Homosexual "Christians" are a perfect example. Others simply can't imagine an omnipotent, omniscient God who can, for example, create the entire universe in seven days.

 Sorry my misguided friend, but the Bible must be taken literally, otherwise it really becomes more of a general "guide" book, on how to be a "good person" and at the end, if there really is a god, we'll get to Heaven. If there isn't a god, then we have at least lived a "good" life.

 Hope I didn't hurt any feelings.

Bronzesnake

Now here's a person I can relate to.  I don't believe in most of the Genesis.  The idea that people deny evidence for an old-earth is not too short of ludicrous to me, but then again, I'm not a "good" Christian, as others would say.  Say you lived a few thousand years ago when the Genesis was written.  You don't know why it rains, why the sky is blue, or even that Earth is round and revolves around the Sun.  So why would you say that the beginning of Earth and of humans was made by this altogether complex theory of evolution, not to mention abiogenesis, and the Big Bang.  Most people today don't even know the basics of them.  How were such primitive people going to understand that?  It'd be much easier to just say God did it, wouldn't it, because in actuality, God is the first step, whether that be the Big Bang, the step before, or millions of steps before that.  I mean, how many of you even know about continental drift?

Anyways, there are transitional fossils.  It just depends on your definition of "transition" means.  Technically, there are none because every single species between us and the single celled ones was a species unto itself.  If anyone has heard of the race of dwarfs found recently on a remote island, somewhere along the course of evolution, they deviated from the path that we tread.

P.S.  Sorry if I stepped over the "line," if there is one.  

Sleeker quote...


 Don't forget to include yourself among these people.


 God said He did it, I believe him. He said He did it in seven days, I believe Him.

 
 Oh really? Please tell me where I can see them.

 

 That statement corroborates creation, not evolution!  ???

 So, which one is it? are there transitional fossils or not?
By the way - It's graduated transitional fossils that are essential to the THEORY of evolution, and there are exactly ZERO.

 The very same year that Darwin's book came out, another book came out by Pasteur. He proved beyond a shadow of any doubt that life can not spontaneously generate, and that kills evolution dead in it's tracks.

 God says He created each life after it's own kind, He was very specific about this. Why do you think He clarified that fact? remember, when that book (Genesis) was written no one even contemplated this evolution nonsense...so why do you suppose an all knowing - past, present, and future seeing God would bother to be so specific about that, when at that time it would have no meaning to anyone for thousands of years? hmmmm.

 Bronzesnake

I'm studying to become an astrophysicist.  I think I have a pretty clear understanding of the basics of the Big Bang (with some detail).  Also, my curiosity into evolution has let me learn a lot too.
Genesis was made as a story so the primitive humans of the day could understand it.
Sure:

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Yet you are wrong.  Let's say you have a chicken.  The chicken lays an egg.  Out of that egg, a chicken comes out that had a couple of mutations in it.  They are different types of animals now.  There was no "transitional" animal in between.  That's being technical.

I've always heard creationists say this in a different forum, yet when I gave them the evidence in the links, they ignored it or said it was fake (by offering no proof).  My link talks about different transitional fossils, so there's more than 0.  It it a theory, but then again, so is creationism, and I'm afraid that evolution has much more evidence backing it up.
Again, technically, it doesn't.  Evolution is "the theory that groups of organisms change with passage of time, mainly as a result of natural selection, so that descendants differ morphologically and physiologically from their ancestors."  It never mentions nonliving matter becoming living matter.  That's abiogenesis.  That shows how much you misunderstand evolution and the such.  By the way, it's always nice to see scientists about 150 years ago proving stuff cannot happen, especially when you don't have all the facts.  

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"What Louis Pasteur and the others who denied spontaneous generation demonstrated is that life does not currently spontaneously arise in complex form from nonlife in nature; he did not demonstrate the impossibility of life arising in simple form from nonlife by way of a long and propitious series of chemical steps/selections. In particular, they did not show that life cannot arise once, and then evolve. Neither Pasteur, nor any other post-Darwin researcher in this field, denied the age of the earth or the fact of evolution."

Um... What?  He created each "life" after it's own "kind?"  What does that mean?
If he can see the future, why didn't he just wait to write the Genesis?  It's illogical to give it to people who don't understand it, but he wanted to get his Word out quickly, which means he didn't have time to wait a few thousand years for people to understand the Big Bang and evolution.  By the way, I also don't think God's all-powerful and can't see the future.  *Watches as many people here throw garlic at me and make the cross with their fingers*

Wow, I haven't had an EvC debate for a long time.   LINK REMOVED is really tough, and anyways, evolutionists basically have mastered that forum.

You need to check out the forum rules. It is forbidden to discuss evolution here in this forum and could get you banned.

Just a little friendly advise.

I see.  At the least, I can say that I didn't start it ;D.  I'm sorry if it's against the rules (even though I don't see where it mentions evolution).  I should've expected this though since, in general, this place takes a rather hostile stand against Catholics (seems as if they don't think Catholics are Christians).  Anyways, I guess I'll just go argue with the Harry-Potter-Is-Evil people...

 I took the bait...I should know better. :-[

Bronzesnake

 Ah...ya you did start it. You said Anyways, "there are transitional fossils"

 Sounds to me like you pretend to be an educated person, but your own words betray you.

Bronzesnake

Actually, I just realized, you brought evolution up.  This is from the first post:

"I wonder if the fact that the absolute lack of even a single series of transitional fossils, which caused die-hard evolutionists to produce many fake "missing links" to prove their case, turned the general population onto the fact that macro-evolution only exists in the minds of anthropological fanatics!"

I can't just let a misconception go, so I felt like I had to comment.

 Was I addressing you on that post?
I don't  believe you were even a poster here at that time.

 In our exchange, you brought it up first. (this is childish isn't it?)

 By the way. I am presently building a web site which, among other things, presents strong, clear evidence for creation and against evolution.

As soon as it's complete, I will invite you to visit and learn the real facts, as opposed to the garbage and outright fraud you have picked up in school.

Bronzesnake.

Irrelevant.  You made a post where you cited "evidence" against evolution.  It was wrong.  I needed to make the correction about the transitional fossils.
I've never been taught evolution in school.  The closest thing to evolution taught to me was in 8th grade when we had a section in the science book talking about how the solar system was made (which was old news to me).  I've always believed in evolution, and not in creation, which was taught to me non-stop at Sunday School.  Anyways, your soon-to-be site probably won't be in the same league as TalkOrigins.Org.

Prohibited material also includes promotion or defense of alternate lifestyles, other religions, atheism, humanism, or other beliefs that are contrary to the teachings of the Holy Bible.

This includes evolution.

Moderator

Talk Origins???
My friend! No wonder you're so ignorant about creation/evilution.

 I'm here to help set you free my friend!
Let's see if Sleeker will become a true Seeker...

 http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/ (http://www.icr.org/pubs/btg-b/)

 http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp (http://www.answersingenesis.org/home/area/qa.asp)

 http://www.parentcompany.com/csrc/ (http://www.parentcompany.com/csrc/)

Start out with these resources, and if you need more, ask and you shall receive!

Bronzesnake

Oh boy! Can't wait for this one.

It isn't done yet? It isn't done yet? It isn't done yet?

Can ya tell I'm anxiously waiting?

 ;D ;D

Bronze. How about letting all of us know when it's done. I already believe in creation without having any more proof than that of the Bible  but I would still like to see what you have.

Sleeker,

There are many forums on the Internet with varying rules and purposes. You are a guest on this forum so long as you obey the forum rules. There are obviously forums that cater to Catholics and Evolutionists, but this isn't one of them, nor will it ever be.

ADMIN's rules are blunt and simple for many reasons, one being that potential new users can quickly see if they will be happy at Christians Unite. Many of the rules were initiated by ADMIN because of past experience with topics that were extremely destructive and caused division that made Christians Unite a war zone instead of a Christian Family Forum. Some of the forum rules were also initiated by ADMIN to make Christians Unite a safe place that Christians would feel comfortable in letting their children use it.

You can also quickly find a "Statement of Faith" on Christians Unite in many places. It and the rules are there for obvious reasons. We have Christians of many different denominations who enjoy Christian fellowship here. That's the purpose for the forum rules, and they represent much more than a hint about what will be done to preserve Christians Unite as a place for Christian Family fellowship, obviously including children.

It's all pretty plain and simple. There are no pulpits here for anything that is contrary to the teachings of the Holy Bible. The Holy Bible is the primary authority that ADMIN used in making the forum rules. If someone disagrees with ADMIN's Forum Rules, nobody is forcing that person to use Christians Unite. It's all a matter of choice, and we have a large number of sweet Christians who do choose to use and enjoy Christians Unite.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Colossians 1:12-14  Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light: Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son: In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:

What ever happened to geography in the "National Geographic"?

Ollie,

I've wondered the same thing. I remember the National Geographic being one of the few magazines we had in our home 50 years ago. Someone from church bought a subscription for us. In fact, it was commonly used for education by nearly everyone from time to time. I guess that it now represents the horrendous erosion of the moral fabric that our society was once associated with. If you took a Christian who died 50 years ago and let them spend 10 minutes of one day now, they would think that America has ceased to exist. It would be impossible to imagine their shock and disbelief about what America has become. Would they think that America was invaded and conquered by some foreign evil power, or would they recognize the devil's work?

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 1:17  For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.

I think you would be hard-pressed to find even a single one of our Black brothers and sisters who would prefer to live in the United States of 50 years ago.

This is around the 50th anniversary of the birth of the Civil Rights Movement, which most historians say began with the national reaction to the murder of a 14 year old black boy, Emmett Till, by a gang of white men and women in Mississippi. Two men were tried and though the evidence of their guilt was overwhelming, they were acquited.

The America of 50 years ago was, for many Christians, an ugly place indeed.

I remember an issue of National Geographic in 1958 that my mother wouldn't let me see. There were people half dressed in it in an article about Africa I think. The Church I went to preached against the magazine that Sunday.

Dyskolos,

WOW! - You have one example of moral progress. Do you have another one?

There isn't room here to list the areas of moral erosion. If you think that the morals of today are higher than they were 50 years ago, you couldn't be older than 10.   ;D

Love In Christ,
Tom

I John 2:1  My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:

Brother, I remember many of your excellent posts on this subject in the past. Please remember me when things get close. I would absolutely love to do another study on Almighty God's Creation. Every time I open my eyes, I see HIS MAJESTIC WORKS.

My Brother, there is no rule here that prohibits telling the facts of God's Creation. In fact, I think this would be a fascinating Bible study in the Bible Study area. However, the evolutionists would not be permitted to argue against your Biblical stance. Christians Unite would then represent the opposite of what is being done in schools with our children. Evolution is crammed down the throat of our children in school and Biblical creation is banned. You could lock the thread to prevent curious monkeys from pawing out a monkey's response.   ;D

Brother, the facts of God's Creation are always welcome on Christians Unite. Brother, I'm also sure that you can and will honor God with your writing wherever you post it.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 21:13  Be thou exalted, LORD, in thine own strength: so will we sing and praise thy power.

 Hey, thanks very much my friend!
I would love to start a Bible study on God's creation.

 Bronzesnake

Brother, I think that would make many Christians very happy. Many of us are angry that children are taught evolution in school, but GOD'S CREATION IS BANNED. Here, the opposite is true. Please feel free to take evolution apart and reduce it to the monkey waste that it really is. We have many young adults and teens on the forum who probably have never heard the truth. They may have read Genesis, didn't understand it, and were left with the one sided fairy tale they were taught in school. Many adults are probably in this same boat, including some Christians who have no idea that the theory of evolution is nothing more than an insult and slap in the face to Almighty God. You and I both know that mankind was created in GOD'S IMAGE, not a monkey's!

It makes me very sad that evolution is considered science and GOD'S CREATION is considered to be a fairy tale. It really makes me more than sad. There are many reasons why evolution is JUST A THEORY! There are a host of reasons why the HOLY BIBLE IS ABSOLUTE FACT AND THE INSPIRED WORD OF ALMIGHTY GOD!

I would absolutely love it if Christian parents directed their children to your web site and Christians Unite to hear and learn the TRUTH OF GOD'S CREATION! I am sure there are many Christians who will be cheering for you and offering to help in any way that they can. Please put me on your list of cheerleaders and supporters.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 118:24  This is the day which the LORD hath made; we will rejoice and be glad in it.

I second that and join in saying, AMEN!

My dad does this once in a while, and when he goes into what I call his "cranky old man mode", I simply point out that the 'good old days' were not really as good as he remembers!

Maybe not for your dad, but they were great for me. There wasn't half as much strife, in the world. yes there was some anti-semitism, but nothing like it is today. People wanted a slower way of life, yester-year. Today, it's run, run, run, see how fast you can get from point "A" to point "B". ::)

Yes, yester-year was a whole lot better. ;D

I have to say that this censorship is one of the things that I find distasteful in this forum.  I certainly understand that some topics are not debatable from a Christian perspective (i.e. homosexuality) and do nothing more than fan the flames (no pun intended); however, some subjects such as evolution vs creationism could be discussed rationally in a way that shows the evolutionists the errors of their thinking  ;D.



Melody

Hello my friend. There was a huge evilution vs creation thread here for a long time. However, you'll never seen such nasty, ugly exchanges as that topic "mutated" (pun intended) into. It really was a great example of how "mutations"  always cause a degredation or complete loss!  :D

Evolutionists flocked to the thread and it was drag down dirty out and out war! It had to be stopped.

Bronzesnake

Yes, I see how it could head that way, but then that's what moderators are for, no?  

Most things should be able to be discussed logically and rationally and if the person can't, they need to be banned....but the topic shouldn't be.  Just my .02.

Melody,

Those are the rules, and I agree with them completely. If I disagreed, it would make absolutely no difference at all - NONE!

This is a Christian Family Forum, and children are included as users. The theory of evolution is taught in public schools and the CREATION BY ALMIGHTY GOD IS BANNED! Here, the opposite is true.

The theory of evolution is unopposed in our public schools. I'm very happy to announce that BIBLICAL CREATION is taught on Christians Unite. In fact, one of our long-term Christians is about to take evolution apart and prove it to be lies. His study here will go unopposed, just the opposite of our public schools.

I say:


Our children aren't given a choice about the brain-washing in our public schools. Here, you have a choice - DON'T READ IT!

If you are waiting for some form of an apology about the rules here, you won't get one. The rules are quite intentional and are based on Biblical teaching. Further, they are the result of a lengthy track record, and they represent the wishes of the Christian who pays all the bills and makes things work, ADMIN. ADMIN has already been there, done that, and he has the t-shirt. Many of us have been there with him for a portion of that track record. We don't have the t-shirt, but we've seen his t-shirt. Regardless, one simple fact remains:


Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 11:33  O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!

I second that!

 I just came across this article. Apparantly I wasn't the only one (present company excluded) who was steemed by the N.G. article. My contention is that N.G. presented an article which touted Darwinian evolution (macroevolution) as an absolute fact. The evidence which is forwarded throughout the column (and it's a long one) is 100% microevolution! yet it is being used as evidence of macroevolution - which has never been observed!

 This is a long column...get a sandwich and a beverage...maybe even a pillow...actually, if you could push your computor up against your bed, and dig your camping coolers out from underneith the basement stairs so you can fill it with ice and a weeks supply of food, and... ;)

It is very much worth reading if you are at all interested in understanding the scope of misrepresentation of the truth, and outright frauds in regards to evolution and the institutions which perpetuate the lies.

It is in fact a very long read. I am saving it as reference material but do not have the time to read it all right now. I did read enough to say that I believe Thompson and Harrub are on the mark about NG.

Thanks for the article Bronze.

 My pleasure my friend!

Bronzesnake

Bronzesnake,

Brother, please let me add a second thanks. The scientific data is growing by the minute that the theory of evolution is a fraud. It is very sad this has been taught in our public schools unopposed. FINALLY, the TRUTH IS COMING OUT!

Brother, this is a perfect opportunity to thank you again for your work in telling the truth, both here on Christians Unite and on your web site, The Fifth Day. I highly recommend that all Christians bookmark your web site, collect the REAL TRUTH, and share it with their children and grandchildren. I am doing just that.


http://www.geocities.com/reasonstobelieve2000/index.html (http://www.geocities.com/reasonstobelieve2000/index.html)

Brother, I plan to thankfully put to use your many years of study on this topic. Brother, I mainly want to thank you for sharing with us.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Proverbs 22:6  Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

My brother Tom.

Please don't thank me - I feel like I have gained much, much more from C.U. and all my friends here than I could ever give back. I thnk you - all our fellow posters for being patient with me ;) and I thank C.U. for providing this Christian forum where the Truth is promoted unadulterated.

It is my absolute pleasure to be a part of this family. I will continue to contribute here in any way I can.

Bronzesnake

No Kidding!! It is nice that some light is finally shining on the theory of evolution.   It is true that some evolution may occur but not the way they say it does.  Finally!  Don't get too excited, though, our teachers are still  nuts.  

     Just something for you guys to take a look at. Or look into. Dr. Kent Hovind has a Creation vs. Evolution seminar on DVD called The Age of the Earth. I think Age of the Earth is only the title of part 1, but I'm not quite sure as I'm just getting into them.

     Anyway, from what I've heard, this is some good stuff with a lot of very solid evidence that the earth is not millions and millions of years old. I'll report back after I've watched more of it. In the meantime, here is Dr. Hovind's website: http://www.drdino.com (http://www.drdino.com). Hope y'all enjoy it and hope you guys that buy into the evolution theory check this out. It'll change your life.

God Bless,
Robert

Thank you, I'll add that to my studies. I have it bookmarked for now.

Not sure if y'all want any more facts proving evolution wrong, but I think I have a few good ones.

First off let me start with something that really isn't having a whole lot to do with this: We live in a UNIVERSE! The word universe comes from (can't remember origins):
                        UNI ---->  SINGLE
                        VERSE --> SPOKEN SENTENCE

  So we live in a single spoken sentence --> And God said, "Let there be!"

Anyway, I'll try and keep my facts together and organized, but I didn't do a good job of it on paper. Now remember, these notes come from only watching two hours of the first DVD and there are 7 DVD's.

Random Fact: There are enough stars in the uni-verse so that every human person on Planet Earth could have 20,000,000,000,000 or 20 Trillion of their own. Wow.

Anyway, here we go. Nobody hase ever seen a star being formed. People see stars dieing. That's called either a nova or supernove. But noone can prove the formation of a new star. Something stuck in my head and I was going to look it up in the Bible but didn't have to:


To clarify that Sleeker, a dog mates it will have a dog. Might be a small or big dog. Maybe even a different color or breed of dog, but still a dog in the end.

The first law of thermodynamics states: Matter can neither be created nor destroyed.
This leaves two options
     1) God made the Earth, or;
     2) The Earth made itself (Big Bang Theory).

Big Bang Theory
     18 - 20 Billion years ago (here comes the fairy tale) all matter in the universe (that's a lot of stuff) concentrated into a dot no bigger then a period on this page. Wow, that's one heavy period. And not only did this happen 18 - 20 Billion years ago, but it happens every 80 - 100 Billion years.This Dot came from nothing. Said dot got spinning so fast that it exploded. Thus, the planets, stars, Solar systems and universe were formed. To break it down and make it real easy to understand here's the Big Bang Theory in a sentence: We all came from a dot, and the dot came from nothing.

Now, there's a law, the law of the Conservation of Angular Momentum that states that all matter coming from or off of original dot should be spinning the same way as the original dot. If this Big Bang Theory is true then how come 2 possibly 3 planets in our own solar system spin backwards? How come 8 of 91 known moons spin backwards? How come there are even some galaxies that spin backwards?

Now to my last part for now. Evolutionist scientists use Radio Carbon Dating (RCD) to date fossils and what not they find. Here are two examples of why RCD is inaccurate.
     
     1) The lower leg of the Fairbanks Creek Mammoth was Radio Carbon Dated age of 15,380 Radio Carbon Years (RCY) while the skin and flesh were RCD at 21,300. Did this mammoth have a slow birth or even slower death? Lose a leg somewhere in his life? (I'm working on getting the bibliography info for these examples as the resolution stank so I couldn't read them).
     
     2)One part of the Vollosovitch Mammoth was RCD at 29,500 and another part was RCD at 44,000. (Once again, biblio info forthcoming).

I leave you with a last thought. Off subject but it deals with a good thinking process. A lot of people want to believe that they are going to heaven due to their good works and not based on faith, righteousness and justification. But think about this, If you kill one person, will the judge be leniant or let you go because of all the other people you didn't kill? After all the people you didn't kill (GOOD WORKS) you will be judged on the one person you did kill (SIN).

God Bless,
Robert

 Good stuff Philippians 4:13.

 Then there's the fact that all light points as viewed through the infrared spectrum- are moving away from Earth in every direction. So, you could make a good argument that Earth is smack dab in the center of the universe!

 My friend, the forum rules prohibit creation vs evolution debate. So we'll have to refrain from going into it too deep my friend. I have been permited to do a creation vs evolution study by the ADMIN, however, it is a locked thread - so there is no debate.

Have a look in the Bible Study thread, then click on "In The Begining"
 Thanks for the info my friend.

Sorry. Just gettin excited because I'm seeing the truth in this. I've been having a hard time as of late and although I'm learning about Creation, I also think that I'm getting stronger and closer to the Lord through it. Your website is sweet. I've only just glanced a little through it, but I think it'll be a big help to me. Thanx for all your hard work on putting it together.

God Bless,
Robert

Hello Robert.

  I know what you mean about being excited. We have had evolution shoved down our throats for so long, that many of us, Christians included, believe it is based on verifiable science. Even some of the top evolutionary scientists are beginning to admit publicly that there is really no evidence for evolution at all - that it's just wishful thinking on the part of people who spent their lives believing it.

Thanks for the compliment my friend. I am not feeling too good at the moment, but as soon as I start to feel better, I'm going to add much more to the creation vs evolution thread. My web site also has some good information also.


Bronzesnake

In your studying, might I suggest you watch Dr. Hovind's seminar? It's quite long I have to admit, but so far, the three hours of it I watched have been totally worth it and have helped me fel better about where I came from.

God Bless,
Robert

 Yes, I visit Hovind's site ocasionally. You may like www.answersingenesis.org  (http://www.answersingenesis.org)  This site is huge, and there's a load of very good information there.

Great talking with you my friend.

Bronzesnake

I would like to thank Bronzesnake for all that wonderful information in his 'In The Beginning' thread.http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=6659;start=0 (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=20;action=display;threadid=6659;start=0)

As an educator of young children, this information will be invaluable to me in my fight against the lies and misinformation of the evil evolutionists that has invaded every sector of society these days with their sick evil lies.

Their drivel about millions of years and life slowly changing over time totally undermines Gods holy word.  The Bible clearly states that there was no death and suffering before the fall.  If you undermined that then you take away the concept of original sin entering the world when the serpent tempted Eve to eat off the forbidden fruit tree.  Then that intern undermines Jesus needing to die on the cross... which undermines Christianity itself.

It needs to be opposed at all costs!

So once again, thank you Bronzesnake for all your wonderful work.  You must be a truly knowledgeable man to know all about that kind of stuff... and now more people can educate our children with the real truth.!

Humble Servant,

I'm sure that Bronzesnake will appreciate the thanks and encouragement. He recently got home from the hospital and is recovering from a pancreatitis attack.

I know that he plans to post much more. He has been studying this topic for years and has tons of material to organize. I would appreciate it if you would join us in prayer that his health will improve and he can continue with the Lord's work.

Love In Christ,
Tom

James 1:17  Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and cometh down from the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness, neither shadow of turning.