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Recieved this in my email this morning, thought it was very interesting......anyway, here is a current event that should be of interested to everyone.
musicllover

Hello. My name is John Kerry and I'm running for

President...I think. Please consider my

qualifications as set forth in the following resume.

RESUME OF JOHN F. KERRY

RESIDENCE:

Seven mansions, including Washington, DC, worth

multimillions.

EDUCATION AND EXPERIENCE:

College:

I graduated from Yale University with a low C

average. * Unlike my counterpart George Bush, I have

no higher education and did not get admitted to

Harvard or graduate with an MBA

MILITARY:

I used three minor injuries to get an early

discharge from the Military and Service in Vietnam. (wasn't in any hospital)

I then returned to the US, joined Jane Fonda in

protesting the war, and insulted returning Vietnam

vets, claiming they committed atrocities and were

baby killers. I threw my medals, ribbons, or

something away in protest. Or did I?

MY BOOK:

"Vietnam Veterans against the War The New Soldier"

shows how I truly feel

about the Military.

PAST WORK EXPERIENCE:

I ran for US Congress and have been there ever

since. I have no real world experience, except

marrying rich women and running H. J. Heinz

vicariously through my wife, Teresa.

ACCOMPLISHMENTS AS US SENATOR:

I set the record for the most liberal voting record,

exceeding even Ted Kennedy and Hillary Clinton I

have consistently failed to support our military and

CIA by voting against budgets, thus gutting our

Country's ability to defend itself. Although I voted

for the Iraq War, now I am against it and refuse to

admit that I voted for it. I voted in favor of every

liberal piece of legislation. I have no plan to help

this Country, but I intend to raise taxes

significantly if I am elected. I make no or little

charitable contributions and have never agreed to

pay any voluntary excess taxes in MA, despite family

wealth in excess of $700 million. I voted to cut

every Law Enforcement, CIA and Defense Bill in my

career as a US Senator. I ordered Boston to remove a

fire hydrant in front of my mansion, thereby

endangering my neighbors in the event of fire.

Although I claim to be in favor of alternative

energy sources, Ted Kennedy and I oppose windmills

off Nantucket and Martha's Vineyard as it might

spoil our view of the ocean as we cruise on our

yachts.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES:

None.

PERSONAL:

My wealth so far exceeds that of my counterpart,

George Bush, that he will never catch up. I ride a

Serotta bicycle ($2000-$6500). My Gulfstream V Jet

I call "The Flying Squirrel." I named my $850,000

42-foot Hinckley twin diesel yacht the "Scarmouche."

I don't own any SUVs, but my family does, including

one parked at my Nantucket summer mansion, though I

am against large polluting inefficient vehicles and

blame George Bush for the energy problems. I am

fascinated by rap and hip-hop, and you had better

listen to it as it reflects our real culture.

PLEASE CONSIDER MY EXPERIENCE WHEN VOTING IN 2004.

Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he

is the strongest Presidential Candidate on National

Defense! He said, " Check the Record."

Continued below.............

Sen. John Kerry, Democrat from Massachusetts says he

is the strongest Presidential Candidate on National

Defense! He said, " Check the Record."

So We Did!

Here is what we learned:

He voted to kill the Bradley Fighting Vehicle.

He voted to kill the M-1 Abrams Tank.

He voted to kill every Aircraft carrier laid down

from 1988.

He voted to kill the Aegis anti aircraft system.

He voted to Kill the F-15 strike eagle.

He voted to Kill the Block 60 F-16.

He voted to Kill the P-3 Orion upgrade.

He voted to Kill the B-1.

He voted to Kill the B-2.

He voted to Kill the Patriot anti Missile system.

He voted to Kill the FA-18.

He voted to Kill the F 117.

He voted to kill every Military appropriation for

the development and deployment of every weapons

systems since 1988, including a bill for battle

armor for our troops.

It is most likely, with Sen. John Kerry as President

and Commander-in-Chief of our Armed Services, that

they will cease to function, making it impossible

for our Country to protect itself.

John Kerry voted to kill all antiterrorism

activities of each and every agency of the US

Government.

He voted to cut the funding of the FBI by 60%.

He voted to cut the funding for the CIA by 80%

He voted to cut the funding for the NSA by 80%

THEN, and this is abhorrent to almost every American

Voter be you Democrat, Republican or Independent, he

voted to increase OUR funding for U.N operations by

800%!!

Ask yourself, "Is THIS the person you want as

President of these United States providing for the

Common Defense of the Nation and be the Leader of

the Free World?"

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Voting history can be accessed through Senate voting

records.

The above is an accurate summary.

Arrive at your own conclusions......

TO: ALL THINKING AMERICANS.

If the following concerns you, please pass across America.

I do not know, if you saw any part of the Democratic

"Taking Back America" Convention yesterday, but you

should have. Mizzzz Hillary introduced George Soros

as the principal speaker and a "Great American".

George Soros is a Hungarian-born naturalized

American, who made his fortune in dubious ways He

was tried in England for stock manipulation and

almost brought down a couple of small Countries with

his money. With that said, what does HE SAY to be

believed?

1. God does NOT exist, therefore Christians are all

extremist.

2. George Bush is a Christian, therefore, he MUST be

defeated.

3. He equates the prison scandal in Iraq with the

9/11 terrorist attack on the USA. SICK! Yesterday at

the "Taking Back America" Conference.

4. He states all drugs should be legal.

5. He believes in abortion on demand.

6. He believes in euthanasia.

7. He thinks the majority of American voters are

stupid, otherwise they would vote Democratic.

8. He has donated $16 million to "<A

HREF="http://www.moveon.org/">

http://www.moveon.org/", an organization

dedicated to bringing down our Commander-in-Chief.

So much for campaign finance laws reform.

9. Stated he was prepared to spend $70 million to

bring down Bush, if necessary.

10. Stated he would destroy the American economy and

put people out of work IF George Bush was reelected.

THIS MAN IS THE BENEFACTOR OF KERRY AND THE

DEMOCRATIC PARTY. IS THIS THE

PARTY THAT HAS AMERICA'S BEST INTEREST AT HEART?? I

DON'T THINK SO. IT IS ALL ABOUT LIBERAL POWER THAT

WILL ULTIMATELY DESTROY THIS COUNTRY, IF WE CONTINUE

TO ELECT PEOPLE LIKE KERRY, KENNEDY, CLINTON, LEVIN,

DASHCLE, PELOSI, ET AL.

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I don't want neither of these boobs being elected.

Oh....then maybe Nader? LaRouche? or the CPUSA?

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Bush is raising the national deficet,

You mean the national deficit that was instituted in the '30s by FDR? And has been the only way the country operates since?

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killing many innocents overseas,

I think most of the 'innocents' are being butchered by their own (with the help of a few mercenaries from other countries).

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is doing nothing about the problems in the USA (unemployment, etc),

Hmmmmm.....600,000 jobs added to the economy this year. Of course, there were about 1 mil lost after the false economy of the Clinton years fell apart. But that's all Bush's fault, right? Let's see now, Clinton oversaw a booming economy, right? And just after he left office, it's found out that so many big corporations who had prospered mightily under him had lied, cheated and swindled their way into all those "booming economic times". Bush's fault, right? And then there were all those jobs "exported" overseas during '01 and '02. Including the 184,000 exported by the Heinz Corp and subsidiaries. Bush's fault, right?

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and has a total disregard for international law.

Total disregard? Let's see.....Bush went to the UN over Afghanistan, and when they wanted to play spin the bottle with the Taliban......
Then he went to the UN over Iraq, and again.....
I suppose that we (the US) is supposed to let the rest of the world control what we do, when we do it, and how we do it? That is what Kerry and Kennedy and Soros want, but.......

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Kerry is a follower of Bush's ideas (War on Terror, if you can even call it that) and doesn't know how to attack the key issues in an election.

Kerry can't follow anyone....except Teresa and the sound of money.

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Becuase of Kerry's stupidity in this election,

Strike the "in this election" part, and you're right on!!

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Bush will be elected for another 4 more years

GOOD!!!

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... and that will most definately **** off quite a few people around the world.

Yes, it surely will. Like Osama, Ayman, Chirac, Schroeder, Sudan, Chechnya, Soros, Teresa, Somalia, and the rest of the worms and Neville Chamberlin's.

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Oh, before i am done ranting, where do you think Bush will invade next on the idea of terrorists hating your freedoms?

Canada? Massachusetts? The ACLU headquarters? Maybe the UN building?

Quote from: Brother Love on September 22, 2004, 04:21:46 AM

A marine squad was marching north of Basra when they came upon an Iraqi soldier badly injured and unconscious. Nearby, on the opposite side of the road, was an American Marine in a similar but less serious state.
The Marine was conscious and alert. As first aid was given to both men, the Marine was asked what had happened.

The Marine reported, "I was heavily armed and moving north along the highway and coming south was a heavily armed Iraqi soldier." Seeing each other we both took cover.

"What happened then?" the corpsman asked.

"I yelled to him that Saddam Hussein was a miserable low life slug, and he yelled back: 'John Kerry, Ted Kennedy, Bill and Hillary Clinton are miserable slime balls'. "

"We were standing there shaking hands when a truck hit us."

;D

LOL ;D ;D ;D

musicllover

Quote from: Marv on September 23, 2004, 11:57:59 PM

Hi,

I'm new here, but I thought the user agreement was that things posted would be factual. More importantly, I thought the user agreement with God was for facts too.

George Soros never spoke at the Dem convention. See the entire list of speakers at: http://www.dems2004.org/site/pp.asp?c=luI2LaPYG&b=92959

Before you keep spreading stuff around about Kerry, why not spend a little time at the urban myths and legends page.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/kerry.asp

There's plenty of lies spread from people on both sides in this campaign. Christians have a duty not to be a part of that.

Marv

Marv,
You are right Soros didn't speak at the DNC, but the post was speaking about the

"Taking Back America" convention found at this address if you want to see if its real.
http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/2004/press/pr_adv20040526.cfm (http://www.ourfuture.org/projects/national_conference/2004/press/pr_adv20040526.cfm)

Mr Soros was a speaker at that convention, you misread what was in the post.

I did go to the site offered at, www.moveon.org it does a great job of trashing the President. Money from this man Soros, any donations to the moveon site is supporting Kerry, obvisouly.

As far as lies, isn't that a matter of opinion? As far as this being a Christian site, yes your are right. That is why I posted this, Kerry doesn't belong in the white house, or as Pres of this country, since he upholds the right to abortions and homosexuality........not to mention the zillion of political agendas that he can't seem to make up his mind he is for or against.
As in any election one should pray for what God wants, and then pray for the man that gets put into office. We can surely agree on that point.

No need to aplogize for your error. Check out the site or look below, I cut and pasted the first part of the speakers list.

CAMPAIGN FOR AMERICA'S FUTURE'S
"TAKE BACK AMERICA" CONFERENCE
Thursday, June 3, 2004 Highlights

WASHINGTON, D.C.

THURSDAY, JUNE 3
9:25 a.m.

   George Soros addresses thousands of activists
   at the Campaign for America's Future's "Take Back America"
   conference.

   Marriott Wardman Park Hotel Ballroom,
   2660 Woodley Road, NW

   OPEN PRESS
   Camera preset:   8:45 a.m.
   Final access:   9:15 a.m.
   Throw:      65 feet

musicllover

THis is an abbrevated protion of what Mr Soros does with his mone.......for the full report please go to site........

http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0825/p11s01-ussc.html (http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0825/p11s01-ussc.html)

.........That kind of capital translates, of course, into significant social sway. And billionaires have long used the weight of their money to effect change, through philanthropy and, yes, politics. But perhaps none has set so overt a political agenda as Soros has this year.

The man who in 2000 reportedly gave $122,000 to political candidates - mostly, but not exclusively, Democrats - has become consumed with getting President Bush and his administration voted out of office. To do so, he has traversed the country over the past year, standing up at small town-hall meetings, rallies, and benefits to voice his concerns and implore other Americans to join his fight......

THis is the kind of person who wants kerry in office, do we want that kind of Person with that kind of money getting anyone in office? Least of Kerry :P

I am sorry over the misunderstanding on where Soros spoke, I thought the quotes meant that was the theme of the convention.

I read his speach that he gave, and it certainly sounded different than what was posted, but I suppose he may have said those things somewhere.

The part of his speach that stood out to me was his belief that fascism and communism have a common ground, that they believe they have the ultimate truth and they want to impose it on the rest of the world. That the alternative is an open society, a democracy.

Anyway, I'm not a big reader of anything he's done, so I can't say he's never said any of those things, he just didn't say most of them in that speech.

Did you read the urban legends pages on Kerry, your postings are there pretty completely, except there Kerry only has 5 mansions not seven.

What do you think about both candidates belonging and being evidently proud of their membership in Skull and Bones. Neither would be eligable for membership in our congregation due to that.

Marv

Quote from: Marv on September 24, 2004, 11:48:13 PM

Marv,
I have read several different artciles some say Kerry has 7 mansions and others say 5. LOL......I would think one would be enough. But then I don't have a mansion so who am I to say, 5 is enough.
I have no idea what skull and bones are, or if either man belongs to this group, thing, or what ever.
I'm alomst hestitant to ask......what is this?
Honestly I don't want to see Kerry in office, because he believes in abortion, homosexuality, and mostly because its seems that most democrats (not just Kerry) wants God removed from this country, democrats judges have tried to rule out things like.... In God we Trust, or won't let the 10 commandments be displayed, Nativity etc etc etc.. We need a man that will keep God the priority and focus of this country. Of the choices we have for this election Bush is my man.
musicllover

Skull and Bones is the highest secret society at Yale. There are 15 juniors tapped by seniors to be members, the highest honor goes to the one tapped last. (George W. Bush was last) Many claim its origins are in the Illuminati. If it's origins are not the Illuminati, they certainly share many things. The group at Yale is supposed to be the second chapter, the first being German.

The initiates undergo rites of initiation are given secret names and give an oath allegiance to the order they swear total obedience and loyalty to the society. That oath repeals all past oaths and any future oaths are void. So they can take any oath, such as the oath of office for President, and according to their society be free from that oath. Their only binding oath is their allegience to the Order and the New World Order.

The initial rite starts with the initiate being carried into the room of the other members naked in a coffin where the initiate recounts all his past sexual experiences.

They undergo a ritualistic death and are re-born. So if any member is asked if he is born again, the answer is a yes. They have died to the world and been reborn into the Order. They are given secret names like Magog and Boaz and Beelzebub.

This all takes place in their windowless building the "Tomb." Most of the Tomb is covered in black velvet, except room 322 the sanctum santorium which is covered in red velvet and has a pentagram on the wall.

Among other things in the Tomb are human skulls, it was rumored for years that George Bush's grandfather Prescott had stolen Geronimo's skull as part of his initiation but it has not been proven. The skull provided for testing by the society in a court case did not prove to be Geronimo's. To whom it belonged we will probably never know.

The stronge German ties of the society seem to have weakened over time. Prescott Bush had his bank seized by the US government during WW II for financing the Nazi's. Since then the ties are less evident, though there were many Skull and Boners involved in the intelligence community that let many Nazi's escape at the end of the war.

There are entire books written about it. A lot of info is available on the web. Just type in skull and bones in your favorite search engine and you will find plenty.

I just wonder how a person can belong to a secret society which conducts Satanic rituals and claim to be a Christian. I must admit also wondering about those that support him on the basis of his being a Christian, I could see it if he renounced the Order, but both candidates are still quite evidently proud of their accomplishment in belonging.

Marv

Marv,

From what little I know about Skull and Bones, it appears to be something silly and childish Kerry and Bush did WAY BACK in college. It was and is a college fraternity.

If potential candidates for President were judged for everything they did in their teens, I doubt we would be able to find any worthy candidates.

However, there is a massive amount of information to look at that involves recent actions, those of an adult. Words from their own mouths in recent years is more than enough for me. Then, one adds their recorded actions in recent years, and it makes a picture album they each made for themselves without any help from anyone. I doubt that anyone needs the distortion from grossly biased news media.

I doubt that I will pay much attention to what happened 30+ years ago. If I did, I would wind up with two words: Hanoi John. Kerry made a huge mistake in trying to make folks think about 30+ years ago. The election should be about the here and now, but that looks even worse for Kerry. Kerry's biggest and most difficult debate is with himself. If this wasn't about the office of President, Kerry could get paid big bucks for comedy. Kerry can play himself, and nobody knows who he is or what he stands for.

Tom

Quote from: Marv on September 26, 2004, 08:25:37 PM

Marv,
Ok......lol....... I am going to try to be gentle here, you come on this thread jumped in about false assumtions, being a chritstian board and all. And you are correct, at the same time, I posted web sights with my orginal post, and then offered more after you complained about certain missunderstandings.

SO may I ask where you go this iformation, and why and how are we suppose to believe you, you must provide proof, web sights or something that can back this claim up other wise you have just crossed the line you accused me off when I post the orginal about Kerry.

You already made it obviouse you support Kerry so your proof had better be bullet proof..... ;D

Until then have a blessed monday morning
musicllover

Skull and Bones is the highest secret society at Yale.
I've always wondered why, if it's 'secret' so many seem to know about it?

But either way, didn't Bush become a Christian AFTER his college days? ???

it was rumored for years that George Bush's grandfather Prescott had stolen Geronimo's skull as part of his initiation but it has not been proven.
What hasn't been proven? That an ancestor of Bush's stole a skull? Or whose skull it was? ???
I have much seedier characters in my past - and even some royalty. Does that make me seedy or royal? ??? Rhetorical... I'm a child of the King of Kings - that's more than enough for me! :)

Didn't you say:

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I'm new here, but I thought the user agreement was that things posted would be factual. More importantly, I thought the user agreement with God was for facts too.

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but both candidates are still quite evidently proud of their accomplishment in belonging.
Based on what? ???

To sincereheart,

Like any "secret" we learn some things over time, because to many are involved to keep it totally secret.

Bush did become a Christian after college. Unfortunately, he has not quit his involvement with Skull and Bones. Say you had a friend who was a practicing witch (unlikely, I know but just assume), you speak to the person about Jesus and they convert to Christianity, but they continue practicing witchcraft. You point out to the person their error, and yet they keep right on with witchcraft. This is the situation with the candidates. They know, yet they continue. Is such a person truely a Christian? What would you think if people started to hold up your witch friend as an example of a Christian?

We know that members do some really wierd things for initiation. We don't know that Skull and Bones has Geronimo's skull or even if Prescott stole someone's skull. We do know that human skulls are kept in the Tomb and there are other bones. We don't really know if the other bones are human or animal.

I try to be factual, the Prescot Bush story was to show that the Order does have at least one human skull. I told you the story behind how we know it because the story was so well know that Native Americans pushed for the FBI to investigate and they checked a skull to see if it was Geronimo. They never went in and searched and checked skulls.

The family history of the Bushs is important to this from the standpoint that the Bush family was involved with the Skull and Bones for a long time. George Bush knew about it and his academic career shows that belonging to it was something that was important to his family. Kerry didn't have the family history, though he still clearly wanted to belong. He is unusual because he is Catholic. Only recently has membership been open to people who aren't white, male, and Protestant.

I will post some sources in a separate post.

Marv

Here's and article that references both candidates admitting their memberships in Skull and Bones. The references are good enough so if you want to look up and read the original transcripts it's pretty easy to get:
http://www.thenewamerican.com/tna/2004/03-08-2004/bonesmen.htm

http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm
Is pretty complete background, it gives references.

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines04/0122-10.htm
is a trascript with the author of "Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power" with a link to the book

http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm
Gives a lot of links and info.

http://www.wealth4freedom.com/truth/3/skullroster.htm
Gives a list of members in Skull and Bones

http://www.antonysutton.com/
He has two books available: "America's Secret Establishment an Introduction to the Order of Skull and Bones"
and "Fleshing out Skull and Bones Investigations into America's Most Powerful Secret Society."

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article5244.htm
You can watch the "60 minutes" segment on Skull and Bones

The list goes on and on, I suppose all these sources can be attacked at some level or the other, but I think they do a pretty complete job of backing what I have posted.

Marv

Do you believe it is okay for Christians to belong to secret societies. I do not. In my own little town, I have been asked to join the Masons, much of the local power clearly revolves around the Masons, but I do not believe a Christian should belong or participate in such organizations. Maybe you disagree, I would be interested in why you disagree.

So what do people here think, would you join Skull and Bones given a chance? How about the Masons?

If you joined before becoming a Christian, would you continue after your conversion?

What would you tell someone who was a member of such an organization who desired to become a Christian?

As a parent, if I run around giving my support to Bush as a Christian, what could I tell my children if they got the chance to join a secret society? Some want to just call Skull and Bones a fraternity, but this goes beyond that.

While this is really not a partisan question, since both current candidates for President belong, it is very difficult for people not to think of things in partisan terms; however, I ask that people try. The Bush family has much more history in the Skull and Bones and as such there is more to talk about, but Kerry belongs too. Interestingly Teresa Heinz-Kerry's first husband also belonged to Skull and Bones, so there are pretty strong ties there too. The original post starting this was attacking Kerry so it immediately turned partisan, but I'm not saying support Kerry, I'm not saying support Bush either.

This summer and fall I have been bombarded with forwarded emails attacking Kerry, many of which are just clearly not true, many of these are forwarded by well meaning Christians. There are many others attacking Bush, but I haven't received many of those. For instance, I received the one where Kerry is said to have named John 16:3 as his favorite verse in the Bible when he would have meant John 3:16. This has also been circulated about Bush and Gore. Evidence is that if it is true of anyone, it is George H. W. Bush. That is listed on one of the urban myth pages. Anyone here receive and forwarded it this year? If so, you are participating in a lie. That hurts your Christian witness. That is why I recommended reading the urban myth pages. You will recognize these stories for what they are.

Marv

Marv,

The vast majority of folks could care less about a college fraternity 30+ years ago. If they did, I guess they would have to rule out voting for both, Kerry or Bush. It's a moot issue. If you wish to make it an issue, vote for someone else. To say that they have Geronimo's skull is ridiculous and juvenile. I can drive to Geronimo's grave site in a matter of minutes. Geronimo walked the streets of my home town, and all of him is still buried. All of this distortion is simply another example of a juvenile college fraternity. Don't vote for either of them if this childish stuff bothers you.

For me, the same is true of military records. If not, I would ask for Kerry to be tried as a traitor and giving aid and comfort to the enemy. However, this is a moot issue for me.

There is more than enough recent records and statements of the candidates themselves to make an informed decision. Some might want to know if the candidates cheated while playing marbles in their single digit years, but I could care less. Those who do look all the way back to childhood won't be voting for Kerry. Concentrating on the distant past for Kerry is an ugly picture. However, that might be his best picture.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hehe, my applause to you Marv, but you have to know that it is useless to try and argue in support of Kerry on these boards. I'm a Kerry supporter, he wasn't my first choice, not even my second really, but hey that is what I got dealt so I run with it. Anyways, both sides have taken the candidate bashing way too far. And both sides also seem pretty blind to the facts (and yes, I have read the news, and the files, and the backgrounds, blah, blah, blah, and both candidates could use some sprucing up).

It's just the way the parties polarization has taken this election that is sad. Both men could have been drug dealers involved with the mafia, but to each party their candidate would be right in doing so, "It was just a youtful indiscretion" they would cry. Meanwhile the opponents activity in the same act would be and indication that they are a blight on society. You want to vote for someone? Then listen to the debates, read the news (both sides), and ask questions. The plus side of all this spin and mud slinging is that there is a wealth of information out there to justify or destroy both views. I would suggest reading news that holds a middle ground, and then branching outwards. Any news media with a strong tie to either candidate is not gonna to present anyone with a complete truth. Well that's my opinion anyways :).

Quote from: blackeyedpeas on September 27, 2004, 03:23:21 PM

I have to agree with Tom on this, ya, and when I was a kid I kissed a boy behind a tree on the play ground. For being so secret, why do so many people seem to know about it. I reviewed the sites you offered, and ya there is alot to understand, alot of maybe's and maybe not. I had to laugh at the suggestion that Elder Bush was part of the Kennedy assination/conspriracy......lol. That is the first time I have ever heard of a bush being ivolved in the death of Kennedy, well unless you want to count the bushes growing on the grassey knoll.
But to give you some room, NO I don't believe that a person needs to belong to any secret society, Mason, or otherwise. Some people are very uneducated in what they join up with. The world has gotten so far away from what God wanted that some simply have NO idea what the clubs are that or the history behind these clubs.
Kerry and Bush are our choices, I can not vote, but then I wouldn't have the right to debate. If you don't vote, my motto is keep your mouth shut. I don't really care what Pres Bush did 30 years ago, unless he was still do the same wrongs. We all know he use to drink to much, got a DUI and he has admitted to that. He is humon, same as Kerry, I still pick Bush. I would rather error on the side of God that error on the side against God. I do not trust Kerry to make God fearing judgements, I don't like the money that is support his campaigne, and probably will be controlling the white house as well.

musicllover

Quote from: Xith on September 30, 2004, 06:26:31 PM

sincereheart, my post isn't stating "all those who disagree with me are blind". My post is stating that both sides are blind, you and me. I try not to take sides, but I can readily admit that I don't what exactly it is that Christians want, and I never stated that I did. I am saying that both sides, of whichI am not stereotyping Christians as being on one side, I am referring to Democrats and Republican. Anyways, both sides need to stop arguing and start talking, surely there can be some sense in that.

As to your second comment, I am not sure I understand what you are alluding towards. What I said was just an example to what I feel is a bias both parties have. But to answer your question, if one did happen to be a drug dealer, and the other was just a former drug dealer, then yes there is a difference.

Xith,
So your not a Christian? How did you happen to come to a Christian site? Is there something that you would like to ask?
I speak for me, others can speak for themselves as to what they want. I want a God fearing president, who isn't afraid to to show his faith, who will support the Christian principles, and doctrines of the bible in and out of the white house. Who believes in Jesus Christ as the only son of God, died and came back to life........and isn't afraid to let the world know that. Along with the health care issue, Iraq issues, homosexual issues, abortion issues, the economy, and the list goes on. The choice is between 2 men, and I pick the one who I feel will be the best man for the jobs I just mentioned. If Kerry had been that man I would be voting for him, some might say its not right that I would just jump the fence but I don't vote for a party I vote for the person who will be the most Christ like in his job as president of the USA, I can't help it that all those men have been on the Republican ticket.......this will get tomatoes thrown at me, but I didn't say it, my husband says you can't be a democrat and a Christian?. Sometimes it appears that way. But we all have to remember God looks at our heart, not who we voted for.

musicllover

Thank you musicllover, that was an answer I was looking for. I respect the fact that you make a choice made on your beliefs, which is fine by me. Yes, I'm not a Christian, I happened to stumble across this board while looking for something else, and being the way I am I decided to post some. I like to get an understanding of people from all points of view, it ensures I won't be ignorant if I were to speak to someone of that point of view (not meaning I like to argue, I just like to know where people are coming from).

Anyways, I vote for people I think will do a good job as well, if they draw their morality from the Bible or from Buddah, or just from themselves, well it doesn't matter to me. To me I think Bush would have been a better president if he had taken in more input from more than just his small group of friends. I dislike that, I dislike the war, and even though Saddam was an evil man, I dislike being told one thing and then presented another, to me it is bad policy. Not admitting error is also bad policy in my opinion, there is a fine line between steadfast in ones actions and stubborn, I just believe he crossed that line. I also live in a place that has a lot of government jobs, and a few years ago I worked at a temp agency. When the deficeit rose and the unemployment rate increased, a lot of jobs were cut in the government sector. We had an increase of around 250 extra temp employees to send out, and most we didn't have work for, so they sat on the benches we had outback. Later when I went to apply for a job at the archives as a front desk clerk, I was in competition with over 370 people. I lost out on the job to a person who had a masters degree in communications, he had worked in the capital building (in my state, not washington), and was now taking a job for $6.50 /hr . To me, that is bad policy. I have a pretty long list, but in short that is why I am voting for Kerry, I just want to see a change in the administration.

Quote from: Xith on September 30, 2004, 06:26:31 PM

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As to your second comment, I am not sure I understand what you are alluding towards. What I said was just an example to what I feel is a bias both parties have. But to answer your question, if one did happen to be a drug dealer, and the other was just a former drug dealer, then yes there is a difference.

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Both men could have been drug dealers involved with the mafia, but to each party their candidate would be right in doing so, "It was just a youtful indiscretion" they would cry.

In the case of Bush, all the 'ugly' that's thrown around is from the time BEFORE he accepted Christ which DOES make a difference! :) In Kerry's case; he doesn't seem to have changed from the time of his 'youthful indiscretions'... :-X

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To me I think Bush would have been a better president if he had taken in more input from more than just his small group of friends.

Don't we all take 'input' from those we trust? ???

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I dislike the war,....

I've never met anyone who DOES like war. :)

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Anyways, I vote for people I think will do a good job as well, if they draw their morality from the Bible or from Buddah, or just from themselves, well it doesn't matter to me.

In a predominately Buddhist country, most likely a Buddhist leader. In a Muslim country, most likely a Muslim leader. In a Christian country, I wouldn't want a Muslim or a Buddhist or a non-Christian leader. Though we do seem to be heading in those directions. :)

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I also live in a place that has a lot of government jobs, and a few years ago I worked at a temp agency. When the deficeit rose and the unemployment rate increased, a lot of jobs were cut in the government sector.

Bush did all that in how long? He's been in office for 3.5 years and you said 'a few years ago' so it couldn't have been a problem caused by Bush. ???

Ok, you all this is not absolute proof, have NO idea if this is real, BUT it came to me from a very good friend, who I trust so take it or leave it. Just more proof to me we do NOT need Kerry in the white house.

musicllover

Kerry Stop in Canonsburg, PA

Subject: Kerry Coverage~
Hi! Received this from a very good friend in PA. she wants everyone to know what she saw.

Good Tuesday morning! John Kerry brought his "front porch meeting" to our Canonsburg, PA neighborhood on Labor Day morning. Since you will never hear the truth from the TV or print media I thought that you should know from someone who was `almost' there.

The residents who live on the street where the event took place were not allowed to attend. Kerry shipped in approximately 90 invitation only VIPs. In addition, there was a hard luck case who was about to lose her job at USAIR and another was an elderly woman who was having
health care problems. Neither one was from this neighborhood. The street was closed to all traffic the night before and all residents on the street were REQUIRED to remove their Bush/Cheney signs.

The sympathetic police officers on duty told us that Kerry used imminent domain to claim the street for his purposes. Residents who have homes within the perimeter (approximately 1 full block) were kept behind a line away from the partisan crowd. The rest of us were not allowed within the 1 block cordon. A neighbor from across the street came to the line where we were being kept and asked us to come onto his property. The police told us that we could stand on this mans FORMERLY private property! This was set up so that Kerry's views could be heard - but not the neighbors. About 30 peoples (mostly neighbors) shouts echoed down the street "Let the neighbors in".

We could barely hear Kerry speaking with his microphone because press buses were used to block us off from view! This mornings papers are reporting hecklers tried to interrupt Kerry as he spoke to the neighborhood gathering, but he turned our chants to his favor by calling us rude. Even though most of the media was there to record our stories of not being included in the neighborhood forum, not one of them printed or aired the truth. This is what America will look like if Kerry becomes president.

Get registered and get all of your friends registered to vote if they have not already. Kerry thinks that he is better than the rest of us and he has the media on his side to make him out to be what he is not! Finally, last night as I drove down the street where the rally was, I was shocked to see Bush/Cheney signs in almost every yard on the street! Please send this e-mail on to as many people as you can.

Sorry sincereheart, I will clarify. I can see how some of my statements are a little confusing.

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Both men could have been drug dealers involved with the mafia, but to each party their candidate would be right in doing so, "It was just a youtful indiscretion" they would cry.

Again I only meant it to show my point on what I feel is a bias set by both parties. As for Kerry's continuation of his youthful indiscretions, I am not quite sure what you mean. But if you could point me to some info on it I would definitely like to read them.

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Don't we all take 'input' from those we trust?

Well yes, but I tend to also go to outside sources to get extra information on issues. I mean a small group of people can't be right 100% of the time. In my opinion it is better to gather facts from all over, rather than letting a select few tell it to me repeatedly.

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I can also see your point, but again these are your convictions. All I am saying is that I am indifferent to where the morality and decision making skills of a person come from. If they make what I see our the right choices, and follow a code of morality and honor that I believe are right, well then they get my vote. To me the source of these qualities does not matter so long as the person has them.

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I've never met anyone who DOES like war.

Sorry a little out of context there, I do not like war in any shape or form. I meant to say, I disagree with the war in Iraq.

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Bush did all that in how long? He's been in office for 3.5 years and you said 'a few years ago' so it couldn't have been a problem caused by Bush.

Again sorry, it is just the way I tend to speak. I interchange few, and couple, and even just one frequently. I tend to just use them as general phrases that just mean "a short while ago". Of course after reading it I can see how it would be confusing. Anyways, I worked for the staffing agency about a year and four months ago. So I think you will agree that that falls right into his term in office.

Oh and finally, musicllover, I looked up some facts on that article, and John Kerry was indeed there. There was a little porch side rally held, and there even was an old woman there who had health care problems (something along the lines of having had like 14 surgeries and needing a job at 77 to pay for them). Anyways, it is partially true, except for the fact about Kerry muscling people out of their land. The owners of the land the rally took place on (Dale and Judy Rhome) are shown in photos sitting on the porch behind John Kerry during his speech. There are also shots of the crowd (with no rope or tape blocking), and of people walking down the street towards the rally and at houses right next door to where this took place. So the notion that he bullied everyone away and took there land seems a little farfetched.
As to the legal term referred to, I think it is called 'eminent domain', and is the act by which the government converts private property to public and compensates the owners for it. Seeing as John Kerry is just a senator, and does not have the authority of the government as a whole (which is needed for this, not to mention that he is not a senator of Pennsylvannia). Then if the event happened as the email said it had, he would have been trespassing. And I am sure that any 'sympathetic' police officers would be more than happy to write up a citation or even try to have charges brought up. Actually multiple counts since he would have had to remove all the Bush-Cheney signs from the yards, also destruction or defacement of property charges, and stifling one's first amendment rights. The story just doesn't seem to add up (that and it was really really grammatically correct for an email). Anyways, check out the pics, just do a search for John Kerry and Canonsburg, most major news sites had them, but if they aren't enough then check out the local news for the area of Canonsburg, plenty of information and pics to what happened.

Xith,
thanks for the info, this will allow others to make their own decisions.
This was one person view of what was happening at this particular rally. Weather he/she had it correct or it was based on his/her opinion really makes little differenced. THis person felt shut out, Kerry had pushed them out of there homes and treated the local people poorly, by only allowing a select few to come to his "meeting" , he didn't really give any of the locals a fair shake, and was in very poor taste I would say. It really is a shame that ANY politician act in a manner that would offend the people of that town, at least offend the person who wrote it.
This email being written in perfect English, I guess I dont' understand your point. Spell check, and grammer check helps alot with stuff like that, far from perfect still. I understood the Bush/Chaney signs went up after Kerry left, not before. Kerry using government regulations......yes I am sure he could do that as well. No he isn't the government, but he is the voted for Democratic choice, as far as any cop giving tickets.......sure I could see that too, at a rally for a Democrat a Republican cop (sympathizer) trying to give a ticket. Picture of tape or no tape, no big deal either, only certain photos are printed, I find that most of the media is unfortantly democrat in their view anyway. As I said the person who wrote this lives there, if he/she felt this way then it still thier opinion.
But I appreciate the fact that you have give some picture, at least people can make up their own minds. I will admit that I am totally biased against Kerry.

blessings,
musicllover

LOL ;D Pretty good Sincereheart,

I got this today, thought it might add to the descussion here. Stem cell research advocated make it sound like there are relief for millions of diseases if only they would kill lots of embroy's, there is NO proof that embroy stem cells will cure anything, yes good scienctific theories. BUt COME on people, these are baby's. Kerry is a big support of this research, just another reason we DON'T NEED him in office as President.

Stem Cells and Mixed Messages

As I mentioned yesterday, Senator John Kerry was in New Hampshire touting his support for stem cell research. Regrettably, the Senator and his Hollywood friends continue to confuse the science and ethics of the issue. Mr. Kerry refuses to distinguish between embryonic and adult stem cells, and disingenuously claims that federal policy is standing in the way of cures. Adult stem cells are providing hundreds of cures while embryonic stem cells not only have not produced a single cure but require the destruction of human life to get these cells. Additionally, embryonic stem cell research is not illegal. This Administration has not prohibited embryonic stem cell research in the private sector. The law only prohibits federal funding of the killing of nascent human life. Additionally, Mr. Kerry is in favor of funding human cloning. If Kerry wants to take issue with this, fine, but it is time for him to deal with the truth, not use human life for his political gain.

Additional Resources
Stem Cell Research, Cloning and Human Embryos
http://www.frc.org/index.cfm?i=BC04C01&f=WU04J03&t=e

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