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Title: Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on August 24, 2004, 07:12:46 AM
This situation gets scarrier by the day.  I am starting to think this situation could very well be the catalist to Eze 38-39.  

Iran’s Pre-emptive Promise: Nuclear Confrontation?
Commentary by Steve Yuhas
August 23, 2004

Nobody can accuse nations of not learning lessons from the war in Iraq.  We know that the lesson learned by Libya that it is best to depart from a nuclear weapons program and to be part of the community of nations rather than end up threatened by the United States and a coalition of the willing.  Unfortunately, that same lesson is lost on the Islamic Republic of Iran.


Instead, Iran has taken the lesson of pre-emptive action from the American playbook and what should have been headline news became a blip on the world’s cable news channels.


On Wednesday Iranian Defense Minister Ali Shamkhani told reporters that the lessons learned by Iran following the Iraq war was that if it became obvious that the United States would use military power to take out their nuclear weapons capability that Iran would not rule out pre-emptive actions against United States troops in the region.


“We will not sit (with arms folded) to wait for what others will do to us. Some military commanders in Iran are convinced that preventive operations which the Americans talk about are not their monopoly.  America is not the only one present in the region. We are also present, from Khost to Kandahar in Afghanistan; we are present in the Gulf and we can be present in Iraq,"


Indeed, Iran is present in Iraq and has been causing trouble by supporting insurgents with money and weapons since the toppling of Saddam Hussein over a year ago.  In essence, Iran is already engaging United States troops in a pre-emptive military strike insofar as they are the military supplier to those who are killing innocent Iraqis, attempting to destabilize the new Iraqi government and killing American troops.


When asked by an Al-Jazeera TV reporter what the response would be if Israel took out the nuclear reactor, as she did in 1988 when Iraq began a nuclear weapons program, General Mohammad Bager Zolgadr, commander of Iran's elite Revolutionary Guards, went even further, “If Israel fires one missile at Bushehr atomic power plant, it should permanently forget about Dimona nuclear centre, where it produces and keeps its nuclear weapons, and Israel would be responsible for the terrifying consequence of this move.”


The cat and mouse game between nuclear powers was limited during the cold war to the United States and the former Soviet Union.  After the fall of the U.S.S.R. we were treated to the advancement into the nuclear nations India and Pakistan who have more than once come to what some call the brink of nuclear confrontation.  North Korea may very well have nuclear weapons and the saber rattling of Iran’s desire can be heard across the globe.  Something is going to have to be done.


As important as the debates over swift boats and awards, shrapnel wounds and whether the economy is the best in 20 years or the worst since Herbert Hoover there has not been enough discussion in the public about what the next president is going to do when Iran is on the verge on having the capacity to make nuclear weapons.  Israel will not allow herself to be threatened with such weapons and Iran already has the capacity to strike Israel with conventional warheads – imagine the horror if their dream of being able to wipe Israel off the map, a very public goal for the fanatical government of Iran, if they actually had the ability to do it.


The next President will have to make a decision that could very well thrust us into a nuclear confrontation with Iran.  Conventional force alone would not be able to thwart a full blown attack of Iran’s military forces over the border into Iraq to hold American troops hostage while the leaders of Iran hold the world at the brink of nuclear holocaust.  Questions must be posed to both John Kerry and to George Bush about what we’re going to do about Iran.


Could it be that Iran has already begun the pre-emptive strike against America by making life so difficult in Iraq and by proving support to insurgents?  It might be they are deflecting attention away from their nuclear capabilities today, but tomorrow we will have to deal with one of the three members of the nations of evil being weeks or months away from a nuclear device.  We must act quickly and decisively and make known to Iran that an attack against our troops in Iraq will be treated no differently than an attack against New York.


Iran has purchased submarines from Russia that could reach the shores of the United States.  Imagine the Iranian Submarine Ship Mohammed popping up off the shore of New Jersey armed with a nuclear device holding us hostage until we agreed to purge the Middle East of Israel.  


Iran having nuclear weapons is alarming enough, but threats against the United States need a much higher priority than whether or not a candidate for Commander-in-Chief received a $1,000 haircut on the same day Iran threatened war against us.


Iran will not listen to reason and someone is going to have to take out the nuclear reactors and their ability to create nuclear weapons – the only question is who and when and that is a question that only one man will be able to answer and we won’t know his name until November 2nd.

Title: Re:Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: nChrist on August 29, 2004, 11:38:50 PM
Oklahoma Howdy to 2nd Timothy,

I think that most should know that a nuclear confrontation, sooner or later, will be a reality. Lunatics and terrorists can't wait. North Korea and Iran are the current major concerns.

I honestly don't worry too much about Iran because I know they will be stopped. It really doesn't matter who stops them. If someone else in the world doesn't stop them, Israel will, rightfully so. North Korea is a different story. One can read between the lines and see that problem will be dumped on the US.

Regardless, nuclear incidents will become a reality. The first ones will probably be dirty bombs. It appears that the end times are unfolding as we speak.

Love In Christ,

Title: Re:Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: Symphony on November 15, 2004, 10:27:18 PM

Israel has an aggressive nuclear retaliatory capability.  The final step in their sequence is called the "Samson" solution.

Like Samson taking the Philistines down with him in his last gasp effort, Israel too says if cornered they're willing to take out the Middle East with them.

Title: Re:Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: nChrist on November 16, 2004, 05:35:33 AM

The "Samson" solution appear to be appropriately named. I knew they had nuclear capabilities, but I really don't think that anyone wants to be on the receiving end of their conventional capabilities. If they hadn't been pressured by other countries, who knows what they would have done in the past.

When you think of it, it's really pretty ridiculous for them to be attacked countless times and just sit there, waiting to be attacked again.


Hidy Ho, Kermit the Frog heeeere.

Title: Re:Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on November 16, 2004, 06:18:52 AM
The samson scenario has been claimed by Israel for quite some time now.   But we know from scripture that is not going to happen  ;)

Iran has agreed to halt its nuclear progress temporarily due to talks with Mr. Solana.   I'm not sure what the agreement was, but I really do believe that the nuclear problem with Iran will be crucial in the coming year or so.   I suspect Iran will eventually resume its nuclear persuits.   Israel can not/will not allow that to come to fruition.   Perilous times ahead for Israel, and anyone else that burdens themselves with her.

Zec 12:2  Behold, I will make Jerusalem a cup of trembling unto all the people round about, when they shall be in the siege both against Judah and against Jerusalem.
Zec 12:3  And in that day will I make Jerusalem a burdensome stone for all people: all that burden themselves with it shall be cut in pieces, though all the people of the earth be gathered together against it. [/b]

Its getting easier by the day for even the secular world to see where this is all headed.

Grace and Peace!

Title: Re:Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: Bronzesnake on November 17, 2004, 10:20:32 AM
 CNN reports this morning, that the nuclear watchdog arm of the U.N. is investigating "reliable" claims of a secret nuclear facility in Tehran. Iran has denied the claim.


Title: Re:Nuclear Confrontation?
Post by: 2nd Timothy on November 17, 2004, 10:50:07 AM
Iran has strong ties with Syria and Hezbollah.   With palestinian elections approaching, I have some doubts as to what we are about to witness over there.   Whether we are going to enter the false peace, then certain distruction phase, or whether things get worse before that happens.  

If Israel attacked Iran's nuclear facility or interfered in any way, Iran has stated that it would rain down missles on Israel.  You can bet that Syria and Hezbollah would join in here.   If Hezbollah, Syria, or Iran used just one bio-weapon, Israel would be forced to use nukes.  She could not risk having hundreds if not thousands more killed by another such attack.    Isaiah 17:1 comes to mind immediately.   We know this verse will happen sooner or later.   Just imagine world outrage at Israel for such an act.   The only use of nukes in history since the US used them back in WWII.    That truely would bring world opinion against Jerusalem.

There are numerous prophecies concerning Israel warring against Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, and the Palestinians in Zec., Isa., Jer., Eze. and Zep.     I'm not real sure as to the timeline of these events, but its getting easier and easier to see how these might take place in short order.