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Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:50:30 PM
Teaching that those believers who have not reached perfectly sinless sanctification will suffer in a place called "Purgatory" is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:52:39 PM
Teaching that God's mercy and absolution from sin's guilt or punishment are dispensed through the personal word and mediatorial office of a person called a "priest” and that sinners obtain the mercy of God and absolution from sin's guilt or punishment by "Going to Confession" and contritely confessing all of their sins to this person who is called a "priest" and who is addressed in the "Confessional" with the words, "Father, forgive me for I have sinned....” followed by a complete listing of their known sins is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:53:39 PM
Teaching that the partaking of any of the "Seven Sacraments" is in any way essential for the forgiveness and justification of a repentant believer in Christ is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:54:46 PM
Teaching that the elements of the Lord's Supper are actually transformed into the body and blood of our Lord Jesus Christ is an abomination and an Antichrist


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:55:38 PM
Teaching that a so-called "priest" is actually re-sacrificing the Lord Jesus Christ as a propitiatory offering is an abomination and an Antichrist


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:56:57 PM
Teaching that baptism is not only a symbol but actually an act of cleansing from sin is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:58:01 PM
Teaching that Christian parents should have their little children sprinkled with water or “christened” in baptism is a serious error and a departure from the word of God.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:58:52 PM
Teaching that celibacy is in any way a higher state of holiness than that of non-celibate believers is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 05:59:45 PM
Teaching that lighting candles or prayers for the dead are effectual for relieving the "suffering of souls in purgatory" is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:00:42 PM
Teaching that the repetitious chanting of prayers (no matter how pious the content) is at all pleasing to our Lord is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:03:35 PM
Teaching that the doing of penance (Hail Mary's, Our Fathers, pilgrimages, self-denial, or any other form) for the remission of sin or its punishment is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:04:35 PM
Teaching that believers ought to join monasteries or nunneries where they can practice celibacy and devote their lives to poverty, penance, prayers for the dead, self-flagellation, lighting of candles, and other useless forms of sacramentalism is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:05:45 PM
Teaching that believers are to venerate, respect, adore, or show devotion to an image, icon, relic, or artistic representation is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:06:36 PM
Teaching that the virgin Mary was immaculately conceived, was without sin, and that she can intercede for sinners and answer prayers directed to her is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:07:28 PM
Teaching that the virgin Mary has been bodily raised from the dead is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:08:25 PM
Teaching that believers ought to petition the "Saints” for either spiritual or temporal assistance is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:09:27 PM
Teaching that any so-called leader of the church (whether a pastor, priest, bishop, or pope) has the power to either include or exclude any one from the kingdom of God is an abomination and an Antichrist


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:11:07 PM
Teaching that the “apostolic succession” of the “Popes” of Rome is the way to identify the true Christian church is an abomination and an Antichrist.



Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:12:20 PM
Teaching that the apostle Peter was the first “Pope” and rock upon which our Lord Jesus Christ built His Church and that religious leaders in the church are entitled to be addressed as by the title of Reverend, Most Reverend, My Lord, Father, or Holy Father is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:15:02 PM
Teaching that the atonement for sin was not fully finished at the cross is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:20:44 PM
Teaching that miracles and "speaking in tongues" are a proof of divine favor is an abomination and an Antichrist.

The miraculous ability to preach and teach and pray in an actual foreign language such as was manifested in the early church is a true gift of the Holy Spirit. However, the nonsensical babbling that is heard today in “Pentecostal” or “Charismatic” circles is an erroneous counterfeit of the true gift.



Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:22:55 PM
Teaching that the laws of circumcision, tithing, kosher diet; and the various civil and ceremonial laws and rituals of the Old Testament are still to be enforced today by the church as binding upon the Christian conscience is an abomination and an Antichrist.

Those who wish to tithe, or observe the dietary regulations, or even be vegetarian may do so as a personal choice but not as a binding rule in the church


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:24:04 PM
Teaching that the theory of origins commonly called “Evolution” is in any way true and compatible with the Christian faith is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:25:18 PM
Teaching that the seven days of the creation week in Genesis are merely a metaphor for long eons of time rather than actual twenty-four hour consecutive days; or that the Genesis account of the origin of Man, the Fall, and the entrance of sin and death is mythical, allegorical, or at all unfactual is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:26:31 PM
Teaching that the Biblical account of Noah's flood is not a literal factual record of a world-wide flood which destroyed all human life on earth save those eight persons in the ark of Noah is an abomination and an Antichrist


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:27:48 PM
Teaching that reincarnation is a process of “soul migration” to an eventual state of "oneness with the Godhead" is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 13, 2004, 06:29:44 PM
Pornography, homosexuality, lesbianism, and the feminist movement are abominations.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: The Crusader on March 16, 2004, 06:09:58 AM
Amen to all 26, thanks A4C


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Nickolai on March 16, 2004, 01:36:42 PM
Oh I think I get it.  Since you don't believe in any of those doctrines it means that you sprek the Truth and all the Christianity that believed many of those things since 33 A.D. are wrong.  Halleluyah,  You must speak directly to God everyday, huh?


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: motthamble on March 16, 2004, 04:35:22 PM
Pretending you are God is an abomination and an Antichrist.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 16, 2004, 04:41:59 PM
Oh I think I get it.  Since you don't believe in any of those doctrines it means that you sprek the Truth and all the Christianity that believed many of those things since 33 A.D. are wrong.  Halleluyah,  You must speak directly to God everyday, huh?

I am just a Bible Believer, Nothing more or Nothing less.


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 16, 2004, 04:43:24 PM
Pretending you are God is an abomination and an Antichrist.

DITTO ;D


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: BUTCHA on March 16, 2004, 09:58:47 PM
Teaching that the partaking of any of the "Seven Sacraments" is in any way essential for the forgiveness and justification of a repentant believer in Christ is an abomination and an Antichrist.

first of all no religion believes this
 what sacrements are you against marrage baptism ? i didnt know that children going to getting thier first  commuinion was evil, and teaching them sunday school lessons on the bible and cofirmation is bad, wow . i think catholics are tought that thier is only one that can forgive them for the sins( god) but maybe im wrong .
 now ill give you the fact, that they have some traditions that are not nessisary . but does the place of worship that you go to have it all right is it without era?  because you seem to be missing something , wondering what kind of church produces a faith of hatred to other faiths .are they so affraid of the catholic church that they need to crush it? thiers 2 ways to get a person to see your point of view one is to lift up your beliefs the other is to desroy someone elses , you have been consistant in the destruction of others beliefs / guess you must not have anything good to peddle.
 do you know whats strange about this is i am constantly telling the peolple in my life how the catholic do certain things that i dont agree with and suggest to them why , now i find myself defending them :-\


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: The Crusader on March 17, 2004, 04:38:46 AM
Teaching that Christian parents should have their little children sprinkled with water or “christened” in baptism is a serious error and a departure from the word of God.


How True


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 17, 2004, 01:58:39 PM
Teaching that Christian parents should have their little children sprinkled with water or “christened” in baptism is a serious error and a departure from the word of God.


Amen Brother

How True


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Shylynne on March 17, 2004, 06:16:17 PM
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The miraculous ability to preach and teach and pray in an actual foreign language such as was manifested in the early church is a true gift of the Holy Spirit. However, the nonsensical babbling that is heard today in “Pentecostal” or “Charismatic” circles is an erroneous counterfeit of the true gift.

Easy to understand how this appears to be nosensical babbling to some, and many are the counterfeits, [but] a awesome spiritual blessing to those of us who have received the genuine gift A4C

Your doing good...carry on... :)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Petro on March 17, 2004, 07:13:06 PM
Amen A4C,

Sacramentalism is not bibilical, observance of the system, encourages and apostate form of worship foreign to what the Word of God teaches.

It fosters a faith +works slavation gospel, which is a teaching directly out of the pit.

Praise God, that He has given us His word, that whosoever will can know the truth, and that truth is what sets men free from the bondage of sin.


Blessings,

Petro


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 18, 2004, 01:40:19 PM
AAAAAAAAMEN Shylynne and Petro


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: motthamble on March 18, 2004, 06:53:18 PM
I believe you could be spending your time trying to quell larger problems.  Why do you judge and attack the way one chooses to honor the Lord?   ???


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Shylynne on March 18, 2004, 07:13:57 PM
There is no larger problem on earth than man defying, refuting or attempting to change what is the eternal Word of God, and no honor to Him is givin.

Luk 21:33  Heaven and earth shall pass away: but my words shall not pass away.


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Psalm 119 on March 18, 2004, 07:34:57 PM
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now MANY ANTICHRISTS (emph. mine) have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the FAther ; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.  I John 2:18-19, 22-23

So who are some of the modern day antichrists?

The Pope, Catholics who pray to Mary, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers.

There is so much emphasis put on "THE ANTICHRIST" that we fail to see the many antichrists that are among us in this present hour. We must remember that if someone is not FOR Christ he is against Him.

Psalm 119



Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Symphony on March 18, 2004, 07:51:39 PM

Yes, there are many antiChrists, as I John clearly states.

A4C, I like your title.

'Couldn't help thinking, we have "Pschycology Today", and "Christianity Today", etc.


Why not a magazine, "AntiChrist Today" ??


     ;D


   hehe.


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Shylynne on March 18, 2004, 07:55:47 PM
Joh 8:31  Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, [then] are ye my disciples indeed;


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Paul2 on March 18, 2004, 08:22:51 PM
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now MANY ANTICHRISTS (emph. mine) have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the FAther ; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.  I John 2:18-19, 22-23

So who are some of the modern day antichrists?

The Pope, Catholics who pray to Mary, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers.

There is so much emphasis put on "THE ANTICHRIST" that we fail to see the many antichrists that are among us in this present hour. We must remember that if someone is not FOR Christ he is against Him.

Psalm 119

    Its seems you would be calling BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timtothy and myself "Antichrists" because we believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Thats a strong accusation calling someone "Antichrist". What if we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture? What would that make you in the event we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church? You are treading on dangerous ground when you declare those who believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church are Antichrists.

    If BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timothy and myself are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and believers in Christ, how can we be Antichrists? You may not believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church yourself but then again I don't even know if you study prophecy. I haven't seen you explain you end time beliefs for our inspection. Prove us wrong. We have a thread where we discuss the Rapture and the End Times in the Prophecy section titled "Best of Paul2's Rapture pages. Your welcome to join us and present your interpretation of the End Times and see if your interpretation is contradicted by Scripture. If you can't present your interpretation of the End Times what qualifies you to determine whether or not our interpretations are correct. Can you fit all the End Time events into a logical sequence that Scripture will allow without clear contradictions? Show me!

    I hate being called false teacher, ANTICHRIST by those who never attempt to set the record straight. If I'm wrong prove it. Present a better case for your interpretation and be willing to allow us to ask you questions which will clarify your view. I don't call those who disagree with me Antichrist, I wouldn't dare call a Christian indwelt by the Holy spirit Antichrist.

    I've come to the conclusion that you feel we are Antichrists from many of your posts. I belong to Christ, I was paid for with His blood. He has declared me Justified and Righteous by His Blood and His Word. BlackEyedPeas and 2nd Timothy also belong to Christ. We are brothers "in Christ", not Antichrists!

    Careful not to call a Christian "Antichrist". I believe Jesus has always been God, and always will be God. I believe in Jesus' bodily resurrection, the virgin birth, His miracles, that Jesus was sinless, died willingly on the cross, and will return to establish His Millenial Kingdom. I'm a believer, a member in His Church, I'm indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I'm not an Antichrist!

                                                           Paul2 ???


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Reba on March 18, 2004, 08:24:17 PM
1 John 2:18

18 Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.
KJV

1 John 2:22

22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
KJV

1 John 4:3

3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.
KJV

2 John 7

7 For many deceivers are entered into the world, who confess not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.
KJV



Those are the antichrist scriptures .. That is all the scriptures have to say about antichrist. Yet i 'hear' christians looking here and there every where  is  so  and so THEE antichrist??


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Symphony on March 18, 2004, 08:35:53 PM


Thank you for those, Reba.   :)


But there will be AN Antichrist(in the same way there is A Christ)...


  ?  


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Reba on March 18, 2004, 08:38:06 PM
Does the Word say so?



Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Shylynne on March 18, 2004, 09:00:10 PM
Paul2  I`m not sure if i`m misunderstanding the use of the word "doctrine" as used here,  but as far as I know,  when most christians (or speaking for myself) refer to doctrine they are speaking of evident scriptural truths pertaining to christianity now, and not actually referring to or meaning to include differing opinions on biblical end time prophecies?


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Symphony on March 18, 2004, 09:11:02 PM
Does the Word say so?


Aye, Lassie*, yes it does.   ;D



(*that's a little Irish brogue there, for St. Paddie's Day)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Reba on March 18, 2004, 09:22:29 PM
show me  :D


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Reba on March 18, 2004, 09:56:43 PM
ARF ARF  ;D  



dont even think it  A4C >:(


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: The Crusader on March 19, 2004, 04:20:08 AM
I believe you could be spending your time trying to quell larger problems.  Why do you judge and attack the way one chooses to honor the Lord?   ???

Galatians 4:16  Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Psalm 119 on March 19, 2004, 09:35:09 PM
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now MANY ANTICHRISTS (emph. mine) have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the FAther ; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.  I John 2:18-19, 22-23

So who are some of the modern day antichrists?

The Pope, Catholics who pray to Mary, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers.

There is so much emphasis put on "THE ANTICHRIST" that we fail to see the many antichrists that are among us in this present hour. We must remember that if someone is not FOR Christ he is against Him.

Psalm 119

    Its seems you would be calling BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timtothy and myself "Antichrists" because we believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Thats a strong accusation calling someone "Antichrist". What if we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture? What would that make you in the event we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church? You are treading on dangerous ground when you declare those who believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church are Antichrists.

    If BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timothy and myself are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and believers in Christ, how can we be Antichrists? You may not believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church yourself but then again I don't even know if you study prophecy. I haven't seen you explain you end time beliefs for our inspection. Prove us wrong. We have a thread where we discuss the Rapture and the End Times in the Prophecy section titled "Best of Paul2's Rapture pages. Your welcome to join us and present your interpretation of the End Times and see if your interpretation is contradicted by Scripture. If you can't present your interpretation of the End Times what qualifies you to determine whether or not our interpretations are correct. Can you fit all the End Time events into a logical sequence that Scripture will allow without clear contradictions? Show me!

    I hate being called false teacher, ANTICHRIST by those who never attempt to set the record straight. If I'm wrong prove it. Present a better case for your interpretation and be willing to allow us to ask you questions which will clarify your view. I don't call those who disagree with me Antichrist, I wouldn't dare call a Christian indwelt by the Holy spirit Antichrist.

    I've come to the conclusion that you feel we are Antichrists from many of your posts. I belong to Christ, I was paid for with His blood. He has declared me Justified and Righteous by His Blood and His Word. BlackEyedPeas and 2nd Timothy also belong to Christ. We are brothers "in Christ", not Antichrists!

    Careful not to call a Christian "Antichrist". I believe Jesus has always been God, and always will be God. I believe in Jesus' bodily resurrection, the virgin birth, His miracles, that Jesus was sinless, died willingly on the cross, and will return to establish His Millenial Kingdom. I'm a believer, a member in His Church, I'm indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I'm not an Antichrist!

                                                           Paul2 ???



Paul2,

Apparently you have taken the rapture thread and this antichrist thread and blended the two to come up with your own conclusion on whom I believe to be an antichrist. I have not called anyone who believes in the rapture an antichrist. That is your own conclusion.

I do believe in the Resurrection of the Saints (as most Christians did the first 1700 years after the death of Christ). I do believe that the Pre- rapture doctrine is dangerous,for it gives many Christians the feeling that they will never have to suffer for the cause of Christ. Please don't accuse me of making statements that were never made.

Psalm 119


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Ambassador4Christ on March 20, 2004, 08:19:35 AM
"I am amazed that you are so quickly deserting Him who called you by the grace of Christ, for a different gospel; which is really not another; only there are some who are disturbing you and want to distort the gospel of Christ. But even if we, or an angel from heaven, should preach to you a gospel contrary to what we have preached to you, he is to be accursed! As we have said before, so I say again now, if any man is preaching to you a gospel contrary to what you received, he is to be accursed!" (Galatians 1:6-9)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: mac on March 23, 2004, 08:27:28 PM
ehh everything written seemed to center around the catholic faith. i was born and raised catholic but after time of thought...didnt agree with a lot of what they taught. soooooo im not catholic anymore. just a christian


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: BUTCHA on March 26, 2004, 09:46:43 PM
[quote author=Psalm 119
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now MANY ANTICHRISTS (emph. mine) have come, by which we know that it is the last hour. They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us. Who is a liar but he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the FAther ; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.  I John 2:18-19, 22-23

So who are some of the modern day antichrists?

The Pope, Catholics who pray to Mary, Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers.

There is so much emphasis put on "THE ANTICHRIST" that we fail to see the many antichrists that are among us in this present hour. We must remember that if someone is not FOR Christ he is against Him.

Psalm 119
Quote

    Its seems you would be calling BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timtothy and myself "Antichrists" because we believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church. Thats a strong accusation calling someone "Antichrist". What if we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture? What would that make you in the event we are right about the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church? You are treading on dangerous ground when you declare those who believe the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church are Antichrists.

    If BlackEyedPeas, 2nd Timothy and myself are indwelt by the Holy Spirit and believers in Christ, how can we be Antichrists? You may not believe in the Pre-Tribulation Rapture of the Church yourself but then again I don't even know if you study prophecy. I haven't seen you explain you end time beliefs for our inspection. Prove us wrong. We have a thread where we discuss the Rapture and the End Times in the Prophecy section titled "Best of Paul2's Rapture pages. Your welcome to join us and present your interpretation of the End Times and see if your interpretation is contradicted by Scripture. If you can't present your interpretation of the End Times what qualifies you to determine whether or not our interpretations are correct. Can you fit all the End Time events into a logical sequence that Scripture will allow without clear contradictions? Show me!

    I hate being called false teacher, ANTICHRIST by those who never attempt to set the record straight. If I'm wrong prove it. Present a better case for your interpretation and be willing to allow us to ask you questions which will clarify your view. I don't call those who disagree with me Antichrist, I wouldn't dare call a Christian indwelt by the Holy spirit Antichrist.

    I've come to the conclusion that you feel we are Antichrists from many of your posts. I belong to Christ, I was paid for with His blood. He has declared me Justified and Righteous by His Blood and His Word. BlackEyedPeas and 2nd Timothy also belong to Christ. We are brothers "in Christ", not Antichrists!

    Careful not to call a Christian "Antichrist". I believe Jesus has always been God, and always will be God. I believe in Jesus' bodily resurrection, the virgin birth, His miracles, that Jesus was sinless, died willingly on the cross, and will return to establish His Millenial Kingdom. I'm a believer, a member in His Church, I'm indwelt by the Holy Spirit. I'm not an Antichrist!

                                                           Paul2 ???
Quote



Paul2,

Apparently you have taken the rapture thread and this antichrist thread and blended the two to come up with your own conclusion on whom I believe to be an antichrist. I have not called anyone who believes in the rapture an antichrist. That is your own conclusion.

I do believe in the Resurrection of the Saints (as most Christians did the first 1700 years after the death of Christ). I do believe that the Pre- rapture doctrine is dangerous,for it gives many Christians the feeling that they will never have to suffer for the cause of Christ. Please don't accuse me of making statements that were never made.

Psalm 119
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NO, Psalm 119 YOU JUST COMPARED CHRISTAINS WHOM PRACTICE THE CATHOLIC RELIGION TO " Jehovah Witnesses, Mormons, Muslims,  the hundreds of cults who will not accept Jesus as the Son of God, unbelieving Jews, Protestant pastors who teach contrary to the doctrines of Christ, and all unbelievers." AND THAT THEY ARE THE ANTI CHRIST. PERSONNLY I THINK THATS WORSE THAN ANY JEWISH BASHING IVE SEEN ON THIS SITE AND , IF YOU EVER WISHED TO  CONVERT OR COVINCE A CATHOLIC THAT THEY ARE DOING SOMETHING CONTRERY TO WHAT GOD WOULD WANT. YOU LOOSE THEM WITH IGNORANT AND CRUEL POMPOUSE, AND SELFRIGHTOUSE STATEMENTS LIKE THAT. YA I KNOW I CANT SPELL . MAYBE YOU MIGHT WANT TO INSULT THAT ,AND THE UNEDJUCATED FISHERMEN THAT JESUS FOUND WORTHY, OR THAT ROMAN TAX COLLECTER THAT JESUS HAD FOLLOWING HIM ARROUND IN GALLALI, THAT HE JUDGED SO HARD. I JUST DONT THINK YOU GUYS SHOULD THINK ITS TABU TO INSULT JEWISH,OR OTHERS BUT FOR SOME REASON ITS COOL AND FUNNY TO INSULT THE CATHOLICS.
IF YOU ALL ARE SAYING THAT SATAN, HAS TAKEN OVER THE CATHOLIC CHURCH AND ITS PEOPLE ARE BEING LED THE WRONG WAY WHY WOULDNT YOU FEEL SADNESS AND PRAY FOR THIER RELEASE , INSTEAD ITS THIS CONSTANT RANK FEST JOKE JOKE NUDGE NUDGE NUK NUK . I HOPE IF YOU ALL BELIEVE TRUELY WHAT YOU SAY . YOU FIND AWAY TO HELP THESE POOR PEOPLE( CATHOLICS) :'( TO SEE THE WAY INSTEAD OF THE INSULTS. :'(


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: The Crusader on April 02, 2004, 09:33:28 AM
See you "Purgatory" Tom


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: nChrist on April 02, 2004, 01:23:44 PM
See you "Purgatory" Tom

That's pretty childish, but I'll still say goodbye to you in Christian love. We should be sharing the Gospel of the Grace of God in Christian love. My simple request to do this is Biblical.

Love In Christ,
Tom


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: ollie on April 03, 2004, 07:33:45 AM
1 John 2:22.  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 23.  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.


Titus 1:15.  Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
 16.  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: BUTCHA on April 03, 2004, 09:36:43 AM
1 John 2:22.  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 23.  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 :-\ARE YOU SAYING CATHOLICS DONT BELIEVE CHRIST WAS THE SON OF GOD?
Titus 1:15.  Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
 16.  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 :-\
 AGAIN I ASSUME YOUR SAYING THIS ABOUT CATHOLICS?
AND ALL THE OTHER CHRISTAINS ARE WITHOUT THIS PROBLEM ?
 YOU HAVE STERIO TYPED THE HOLYWOOD CATHOLIC AND YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCES,
 AND UNJUSTLY COMNEMED CATHOLICS TO BE THE ANTI-CHRIST. :-[


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: BUTCHA on April 03, 2004, 09:30:13 PM
YOU ARE VERY SMART , WHY ARE YOU NOT USEING YOUR GOD GIVEN TALENTS IN A MORE POSITIVE WAY.
IF YOU TRUELY BELEAVE WHAT YOU SAY YOU NEED TO FIND A BETTER WAY TO CONVEY IT, PLEASE DO IT FOR YOUR LORD.
         


                              LOVE YOU MAN


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Para_Noir on April 04, 2004, 04:54:45 AM
Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Not every branch of Christianity holds exactly the same beliefs.  Why must you so harshly criticize those who have differing beliefs instead of accepting your differences and rejoicing in what you have in common.  If you disagree that is fine, but it is not your place to condemn.  What if you hold on to some belief that is in error.  Would you not desire some compassion or would you want to be treated the way you are treating others.

(this is for anyone who agrees with Ambassador4Christ, since he has already quit this forum)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Reba on April 04, 2004, 09:36:11 AM


Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Not every branch of Christianity holds exactly the same beliefs.  Why must you so harshly criticize those who have differing beliefs instead of accepting your differences and rejoicing in what you have in common.  If you disagree that is fine, but it is not your place to condemn.  What if you hold on to some belief that is in error.  Would you not desire some compassion or would you want to be treated the way you are treating others.

(this is for anyone who agrees with Ambassador4Christ, since he has already quit this forum)

 Are you rejoicing in what you have in common with  A4C? whlie complaining about moderators?


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: ollie on April 04, 2004, 03:14:49 PM
Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Not every branch of Christianity holds exactly the same beliefs.  Why must you so harshly criticize those who have differing beliefs instead of accepting your differences and rejoicing in what you have in common.  If you disagree that is fine, but it is not your place to condemn.  What if you hold on to some belief that is in error.  Would you not desire some compassion or would you want to be treated the way you are treating others.

(this is for anyone who agrees with Ambassador4Christ, since he has already quit this forum)
"Not every branch of Christianity holds exactly the same beliefs."

How can there be branches of Christianity and differing beliefs when God in His inspired written word says:

 Ephesians 4:4.  There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
 5.  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
 6.  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.



 


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Tibby on April 04, 2004, 03:57:27 PM
Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees! I've been trying to tell the Admin that for MONTHS! Do what I do, report them all to the mod, and keep doing it till something is done. If it get really bad again, PM the Admin and tell him!

Ollie- We all beleive in one body, one Spirit, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Everyone except a small secton of American Baptists are for becoming one body again. It WAS one body, untill Martin "the drunkerd" Luther went rogue. ;) ;D


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: BUTCHA on April 04, 2004, 04:58:55 PM
tibby
right on brother ;)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: sincereheart on April 05, 2004, 06:57:27 AM
Everyone except a small secton of American Baptists are for becoming one body again. It WAS one body, untill Martin "the drunkerd" Luther went rogue.

 ::)  ::)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: sincereheart on April 05, 2004, 07:01:48 AM
Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees! I've been trying to tell the Admin that for MONTHS! Do what I do, report them all to the mod, and keep doing it till something is done. If it get really bad again, PM the Admin and tell him!

Ollie- We all beleive in one body, one Spirit, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Everyone except a small secton of American Baptists are for becoming one body again. It WAS one body, untill Martin "the drunkerd" Luther went rogue. ;) ;D

Careful with your celebrating, Tibby. You've made quite a few remarks against Protestants and had quite a field day with your gnostic jabs. Apparently it's only insulting if it's against Catholicism.... ::)


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: ollie on April 05, 2004, 02:41:37 PM
Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees! I've been trying to tell the Admin that for MONTHS! Do what I do, report them all to the mod, and keep doing it till something is done. If it get really bad again, PM the Admin and tell him!

Ollie- We all beleive in one body, one Spirit, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Everyone except a small secton of American Baptists are for becoming one body again. It WAS one body, untill Martin "the drunkerd" Luther went rogue. ;) ;D
It has always been one body. That is Christ's. The doings and workings of man in his worldliness and vanities can never change that.
 


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: ollie on April 20, 2004, 05:43:06 PM
1 John 2:22.  Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son.
 23.  Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: [but] he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also.

 :-\ARE YOU SAYING CATHOLICS DONT BELIEVE CHRIST WAS THE SON OF GOD?
Titus 1:15.  Unto the pure all things are pure: but unto them that are defiled and unbelieving is nothing pure; but even their mind and conscience is defiled.
 16.  They profess that they know God; but in works they deny him, being abominable, and disobedient, and unto every good work reprobate.

 :-\
 AGAIN I ASSUME YOUR SAYING THIS ABOUT CATHOLICS?
AND ALL THE OTHER CHRISTAINS ARE WITHOUT THIS PROBLEM ?
 YOU HAVE STERIO TYPED THE HOLYWOOD CATHOLIC AND YOUR LIFE EXPERIENCES,
 AND UNJUSTLY COMNEMED CATHOLICS TO BE THE ANTI-CHRIST. :-[
Quoted two Bible verses. Never mentioned Catholic at all.  


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: ollie on April 20, 2004, 05:48:55 PM
Ambassador4Christ has posted five (5) pages of blatantly inflamatory remarks and not one has been deleted according to the forum "rules".  I believe the moderators are not doing a very good job of moderating this forum, or maybe this form of attack is acceptable.  

Thank you! Finally, someone who agrees! I've been trying to tell the Admin that for MONTHS! Do what I do, report them all to the mod, and keep doing it till something is done. If it get really bad again, PM the Admin and tell him!

Ollie- We all beleive in one body, one Spirit, One Lord, one faith, one baptism, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all. Everyone except a small secton of American Baptists are for becoming one body again. It WAS one body, untill Martin "the drunkerd" Luther went rogue. ;) ;D
My reply from Ephesians 4 was in answer to this:

"Not every branch of Christianity holds exactly the same beliefs."

Ollie



Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Brother Love on May 03, 2004, 08:14:39 AM
Everyone except a small secton of American Baptists are for becoming one body again. It WAS one body, untill Martin "the drunkerd" Luther went rogue.

 ::)  ::)


 :)


Brother Love :)

   <:)))><


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: His Messenger on May 22, 2004, 10:11:23 AM

Yes, there are many antiChrists, as I John clearly states.

A4C, I like your title.

'Couldn't help thinking, we have "Pschycology Today", and "Christianity Today", etc.


Why not a magazine, "AntiChrist Today" ??


     ;D


   hehe.

Why not a magazine, "AntiChrist Today" ??

good idea

His Messenger


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Reba on May 22, 2004, 11:19:20 AM
Way too many christians are looking for any antichrist to see Christ....  Messinger your magazine would saddly  sell like crazy....


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Yoyostick on May 22, 2004, 02:57:54 PM
I am having an extremely hard time following this conversation, but I would like to say that the word Antichrist does not fit in a lot of what has been said.

The Antichrist is a person, not a belief. The Antichrist is somebody who draws a large number of people away from the truth in the Bible and creates a counterfeit. I think Josph Smith could be one of the Antichrists mentioned in the Bible. I think Muhammed could very well have been an Antichrist. I think the Pope *gasp* could very well be an Antichrist because a lot of Catholic beliefs are nothing short of blasphemous.

BTW, Ambassador4Christ, I didn't take the time to read all of your posts, but the ones that I did read I agree with 100%.


Title: Re:Antichrist Today!
Post by: Tibby on May 22, 2004, 06:35:20 PM
Careful with your celebrating, Tibby. You've made quite a few remarks against Protestants and had quite a field day with your gnostic jabs. Apparently it's only insulting if it's against Catholicism.... ::)

I have CLEARLY defined the difference between playful jabbing and attacking the very salvation of others. No one has any problem with jokes or teasing. But with make of these Posts, it isn’t a joke, or a tease, it is hate-mongering and abuse. If you cannot tell the difference, I am sorry, but I think it is quite clear when something is meant is a good-hearted joke, and when something is slanderous propaganda. ::)


Title: Antichrist Today!
Post by: Brother Love on May 24, 2004, 04:44:46 AM

Yes, there are many antiChrists, as I John clearly states.

A4C, I like your title.

'Couldn't help thinking, we have "Pschycology Today", and "Christianity Today", etc.


Why not a magazine, "AntiChrist Today" ??


     ;D


   hehe.

Why not a magazine, "AntiChrist Today" ??

good idea

His Messenger

Thats a great idea Symphony, I just might do that. What do you think Tibby?  :)

Brother Love :)