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Title: When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?
Post by: envolve on July 14, 2011, 02:20:04 AM
Jesus said when Israel becomes a nation ("when his branch is yet  tender," Matt. 24.32b) and enters Jerusalem ("and putteth forth leaves,"  v.32c), you can know the season ("ye know that summer is nigh," v.32d) when He returns even the very day ("when ye shall see all these things,  know that it is near, right at the door," v.33).

Don't let anyone lead you astray and tell you otherwise who will misuse certain verses to misguide you saying you can't know. Satan says you can't now "right at the door." For example, Matt. 24.36 is referring to the end of the world (v.35) not to when Jesus returns. Verse 35 and 36 are parenthetical to what Jesus is talking about and should be treated as one sentence. Jesus is saying His word does not change. Not even the end of the world will change it.

Certainly, Jesus at the right hand of the Father knows now when He will return and imparts this to us. He will return in Person with 10,000 of His saints (Jude 14,15) who will reign 1000 years with a "rod of iron" (Rev. 2.27, 12.5, 19.15) "over the nations" (2.26) after which comes the end of the world. So we can know the day just not the hour (v.42 KJV, DBY) when Jesus returns. However, we can know neither the day nor the hour when the world ends since this time is far off and not associated with signs such as the return of Israel (v.32), signs in the heavens (Rev. 6.12) or a specific 2,520 day period (7 x 360) of Daniel's final unit of seven years we are to look out for. Perhaps Jesus will give us some signs we do not yet know during the millennium about when Satan is let loose out of the pit for a short while near the end of the 1000 years to show he will never repent.

The two Lunar Tetrads that fell on passover, tabernacles and again on passover and tabernacles in 1949/50 (6th since Christ) when Israel became a nation and 1967/68 (7th since Christ) when Israel entered Jerusalem was the first time since Christ two feast Tetrads occurred within 18 years apart, so this is the reference point to what Jesus was talking about when He told His disciples about very specific and unique cosmic signs (Luke 21.25).

Before the great and terrible day of the Lord (Joel 2.31) would occur three events in specific order (Rev. 6.12):

1) A great earthquake. Haiti 2010 had the second most deaths and the most deaths per capita of all earthquakes on record. Japan 2011 was the greatest in terms of financial loss and the 5th greatest in the world in terms of magnitude.

2) A unique solar eclipse. The rarest type-the Hybrid H3 longdated Nov. 3, 2013-will be the 4th since Christ.

3) A unique lunar eclipse. The Total Lunar Tetrad 2014/15 will be the 8th since Christ and won't happen again till 2582/83. So this is it my friends!

Unless you believe in Partial Rapture, you won't be able to perceive Rev. 6.12 correctly occurring right before the Tribulation starts.

The commencement of the building of the Temple and start of the Tribulation would begin in or right next to the 2014/15 Tetrad because Israel became a nation again during the 6th Tetrad (1949/50) on May 14, 1948 (Ezekiel's prophecy takes us to May, 1948 (http://"")).  The armistice treaties were signed in 1949. And Israel marched in and reclaimed Jerusalem on June 7, 1967 during the 7th Tetrad (1967/68).

As we all know, the first four feasts refer to Jesus' first coming (http://""). The last three feasts pertain to His second coming. Feast of Trumpets has to do with rapture which comes before the Tribulation starts according to readiness (Matt. 24.40-42), and the last trumpet rapture and resurrection (1 Thess. 4.14-18) is at the start of the 7th trumpet (Rev. 11.15, 15.2-4) according to completion. Day of Atonement refers to all those who are saved and to be resurrected before the 1000 years, and Tabernacles points to the millennial kingdom that follows after the Tribulation is over. It is a Sabbath rest after 6000 years where the lamb and the lion lay down together in peace.

There must be 2,520 days, the final seven year period according to Daniel's prophecy (Dan. 9.24-27), from Feast of Trumpets (the First Rapture) to Tisha B'Av that commemorates when the 1st and 2nd Temples were destroyed. These two feasts in 2014-21 and 2016-23 don't add up to 2,520 days, but 2015-22 does exactly. Obviously, the Third Temple is especially important to Jesus because it will be His residence for 1000 years. It greatly hurt His heart to see the destruction of the 1st and 2nd Temples, because of such needless suffering and necessitated a delay in both His first and second coming.

Hence, the First Rapture to "the throne" (Rev 7.9) according to readiness (3.10, Luke 21.36) is Feast of Trumpets, Sept. 14, 2015 before the first trumpet of the Tribulation is blown (8.7ff) to begin the 7 year Tribulation lasting 2,520 days.

The last trumpet rapture and resurrection (1 Cor. 15.23, 1 Thess. 4.14-18, Rev. 14.14-16) is at the start of the 7th trumpet that contains the 7 bowls of wrath that last 24 months. The first four trumpets are 42 months (Rev. 8.13), the 5th trumpet is 5 months (9.5,10), and the 6th trumpet lasts 13 months (v.15). That leaves 24 months for the 3rd woe or 7th trumpet.

So Jesus steps down on the mount of olives (Zech. 14.4, Acts 1.11, Rev. 1.7, 19.11-16) on Tisha B'Av Sunday, Aug. 7 (Av 10), 2022. When Tisha B'Av falls on a Saturday as on Aug. 6 (Av 9), 2022, it is held the day after on Sunday instead.

In conclusion: the likelihood of Jesus returning on Sunday is 1 in 7, and the likelihood of Tisha B'Av held over from Saturday is also 1 in 7. Less than half of all seven year periods from Feast of Trumpets to Tisha B'Av work out to be exactly 2,520 days. Including also the probabilities for the Great Earthquake (1 in 2010), the H3 Solar Eclipse (1 in 700), the congruity of the three Tetrads (1 in 100,000), and all of these three items (earthquake, solar eclipse, lunar tetrad) in specific order (1 in 6), we come to a probability of 83 trillion to 1. If you think that is just coincidence, think again!

Title: Re: When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?
Post by: nChrist on July 14, 2011, 04:29:32 PM
Hello Envolve,

I see this is your first post, so welcome.


Many will disagree with portions of your first post, especially on the date setting. I won't debate it with you, but others might want to. Regardless, I hope that you enjoy Christians Unite, and I look forward to having fellowship with you.

Love In Christ,

Title: Re: When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?
Post by: envolve on July 14, 2011, 06:13:45 PM
Thanks. I hope you treat me kind.

Title: Re: When Did Jesus Say He Would Return?
Post by: nChrist on July 14, 2011, 06:50:57 PM
Thanks. I hope you treat me kind.

I most surely will. Disagreement on Bible Prophecy doesn't and shouldn't effect fellowship. Many have varying opinions on Bible Prophecy.

Love In Christ,