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Title: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 20, 2010, 04:22:49 PM
Hi to all and I know that answers will vary .

 We know that the Nation of  ISRAEL  will be united and will  "  be a Kingdom of Priests during the  Millennium  (   Ex 19:6  ;  1 Peter 2:9  )

 We know that the  New Covenant and Abrahamic  , Palestinian , and Davidic  Covenant  will all be in operation !   If you agree ??

 I am interested in ,  HOW  WILL  THE  GENTILES  BE  SAVED  IN  THE  MILLENNIUM ????

 What say you ???


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: duval on December 20, 2010, 07:13:43 PM
Hi Dan

First, when in your understanding will the millenium be? 

Second, I suspect Jews and Gentiles will be saved in like way.

Third,  I probably won't have as much time for the forum.  My wife was on a trip and is now home.  Changes things you know.

But, God bless you anyway,
duval


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 20, 2010, 09:11:10 PM
Hi Dan

First, when in your understanding will the millenium be? 

Second, I suspect Jews and Gentiles will be saved in like way.

Third,  I probably won't have as much time for the forum.  My wife was on a trip and is now home.  Changes things you know.

But, God bless you anyway,
duval

 Hi duval , and the  OP , says , how are Gentiles saved  in the Millennium ?

 Whether there is a Millennium is a separate  OP !!!

 Suspect in a different direction , as Jew will be a Kingdom of Priest in the Millennium as presented in the  OP !!!

 The Nation of Israel is saved in the Millennium !!!


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: duval on December 20, 2010, 09:37:25 PM
Sorry Dan, sounds like gobbledegook to me none of which is found in the Bible and what scripture that is tendered is "wrested".  Seems Peter said something about that, didn't he.

Keep studying,
God bless,
duval


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 21, 2010, 04:57:10 PM
Yeah Dan I think in order to answer your question you may want to first clarify what you feel the millennium will be, Biblicly.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 21, 2010, 08:13:30 PM
Yeah Dan I think in order to answer your question you may want to first clarify what you feel the millennium will be, Biblicly.

 Hi Brother Jerry and whether there is a Millennium , as I said to duval will have to be a separate  OP ,  and will be glad to do that later .

 Dan 2:34-35 , 44 , and 45 .

 Also Matt 21:43 , 44 , 45 .

 Were not the disciples looking for Israel to be restored again Acts 1:6  and there is a lot more ,  dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: duval on December 21, 2010, 09:49:58 PM
Hello Dan

Sooooooooo why have this thread on gentiles in the millennium if you can't answer a question or two about the millinnium??


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: David_james on December 21, 2010, 11:30:02 PM
Are you talking about the millennium kingdom? If so, they will be saved the same way we are now.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 22, 2010, 09:36:50 AM
Hi Brother Jerry and whether there is a Millennium , as I said to duval will have to be a separate  OP ,  and will be glad to do that later .

 Dan 2:34-35 , 44 , and 45 .

 Also Matt 21:43 , 44 , 45 .

 Were not the disciples looking for Israel to be restored again Acts 1:6  and there is a lot more ,  dan p

Dan please read my question again....it was not whether or not there is/will be a Millennium...it was for you to define what you felt the Millenium entails....what is it, basically.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 01:28:34 PM
Hello Dan

Sooooooooo why have this thread on gentiles in the millennium if you can't answer a question or two about the millinnium??

 Hi duval , why not read the OP ???

 I started it this way and  GUESS  maybe next time I will ask you before I pose a question , I should ask you , if you like it , dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 01:44:19 PM
Dan please read my question again....it was not whether or not there is/will be a Millennium...it was for you to define what you felt the Millenium entails....what is it, basically.

 Hi Brother Jerry and just a small list of the Millennium ;

 #1 , There are 9 names for the Millennium
 #2 , And it concerns Israels Covenants and the Millennium
 #3 , The names and titles given to Christ in the Millennium
 #4 , Defines what the Character or Spiritual Character of the Kingdom
 #5 ,What the conditions existing within the Kingdom
 #6 , The binding of Satan
 #7 , Government in the Millennium
 #8 , The subjects in the Kingdom
 #9 , The Priesthood and Sacrifices
 #10 , The New Jerusalem
  And you can see that this will take time ,  dan p



Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 01:50:25 PM
Are you talking about the millennium kingdom? If so, they will be saved the same way we are now.

 Hi David James , and yes I am and just present a verse that I can see and study , but my answer is found  MAINLY  in Rom 11 .

 This is why Peter say that what Paul writes is   HARD  TO  UNDERSTAND ,  not only for the Jews , but for Covenant Theology , Acts 2 , believers and those who never study what Paul is writing about , and that is the way that I see it  , dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: David_james on December 22, 2010, 05:23:19 PM
I think I understand. You think gentiles are saved only because God has cut off some of the original branches and decided to accept us as replacement. Therefore, during the millennium kingdom, since all Jews will know God, God won't need to replace them. Therefore, you think gentiles can't be saved.

Now think, does that sound like God? of course not


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 08:21:59 PM
I think I understand. You think gentiles are saved only because God has cut off some of the original branches and decided to accept us as replacement. Therefore, during the millennium kingdom, since all Jews will know God, God won't need to replace them. Therefore, you think gentiles can't be saved.

Now think, does that sound like God? of course not

 Hi David James , and you were doing  OK , until you  SAID , Therefore , you think that Gentiles can't be saved .

 I never intimated , that at all !!

 Gentiles , will be saved in the Millennium , because Matt 25 says they are and they are grafted into the the  GOOD  OLIVE TREE ,  verse 17 .

 I believe that there is no Gentiles being Grafted  into today as we are being  BAPTIZED/PLACED  into the Body of Christ  1 Cor 12:13 .
 dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: David_james on December 22, 2010, 10:29:45 PM
My apologies bro.

Then why does it matter how? What matters is that they can be.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 23, 2010, 01:21:04 PM
My apologies bro.

Then why does it matter how? What matters is that they can be.

 Hi David James and there are many believers that think that the So-called church has replaced Israel , for one !!

 And many say the all believers are grafted into Israel today !!

 And you are right on , that many do not understand the Abrahamic covenant !!   dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 27, 2010, 08:49:01 AM
Ok only because I like too.

Who says anyone will need to be saved?  Satan is bound....Chris is king...what part of the millenial descriptions gives you any indication there will be lost?


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: David_james on December 27, 2010, 01:11:18 PM
Isaiah 65:20

“Never again will there be in it
   an infant who lives but a few days,
   or an old man who does not live out his years;
the one who dies at a hundred
   will be thought a mere child;
the one who fails to reach[a] a hundred
   will be considered accursed.

1000/100=10. Age of a child.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 27, 2010, 03:14:13 PM
Ok only because I like too.

Who says anyone will need to be saved?  Satan is bound....Chris is king...what part of the millenial descriptions gives you any indication there will be lost?

 Hi Brother Jerry , are there Gentiles in the Millennium  ??

 Who are the Sheep and the Goats in Matt 25:32 ??

 What is the Standard of Judgment for the Sheep and Goats ?  Matt 25:44-46 ???

 WHO then  "  shall go away to EVERLASTING  PUNISHMENT "   in verse 46 ???


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 27, 2010, 04:31:18 PM
Go and read Revelations 20 and tell us what happens AFTER the millennial time period.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 27, 2010, 06:58:20 PM
Go and read Revelations 20 and tell us what happens AFTER the millennial time period.

 Hi Brother Jerry , and sorry , but Matt 25 happens  BEFORE  the Millennium begins ,  where the judgment of the Nation and the only ones that enter are the Jews who are Priests in the Millennium Ex 19:6 .

 But you did not say who the Sheep and the Goats were ??  Tell if you can or just do not answer and maybe duval knows ???


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 29, 2010, 03:56:46 PM
So Dan....let me get this strait, just so I can insure the imagery in my mind is correct.

Your original post was

Quote
Hi to all and I know that answers will vary .

 We know that the Nation of  ISRAEL  will be united and will  "  be a Kingdom of Priests during the  Millennium  (   Ex 19:6  ;  1 Peter 2:9  )

 We know that the  New Covenant and Abrahamic  , Palestinian , and Davidic  Covenant  will all be in operation !   If you agree ??

 I am interested in ,  HOW  WILL  THE  GENTILES  BE  SAVED  IN  THE  MILLENNIUM Huh?

 What say you Huh

But then in your last post you say

Quote
Hi Brother Jerry , and sorry , but Matt 25 happens  BEFORE  the Millennium begins ,  where the judgment of the Nation and the only ones that enter are the Jews who are Priests in the Millennium Ex 19:6 .

So you start by asking how the Gentiles will be saved and then your latest is that there will be no Gentiles even in the Millennium?  So you bait your post with a question with false intentions of trying to lure people in and attempt to bash them with what you think is the correct answer?  Nothing like a little deceptive trolling going on there.

Why not simply have posted your position of how you feel there will be no Gentiles in the Millennium and gone from there?

This is entirely why I have continued to ask you to lay out what you believe the millennium to be, it is not a difficult process or complex either.  I could tell right from the first post that you had ulterior motives.  And now it becomes even more evident.  So let's get back to it Dan...tell us what you believe the millennium to consist of.  Cause if the peeks behind the curtain I have seen so far are what I think the outcome would be, then I would suggest some further study, and when we get there, I will provide some Scripture for you.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 29, 2010, 08:14:05 PM
So Dan....let me get this strait, just so I can insure the imagery in my mind is correct.

Your original post was

But then in your last post you say

So you start by asking how the Gentiles will be saved and then your latest is that there will be no Gentiles even in the Millennium?  So you bait your post with a question with false intentions of trying to lure people in and attempt to bash them with what you think is the correct answer?  Nothing like a little deceptive trolling going on there.

 Hi Brother Jerry , and let   ME clarify your misconception , and that IS THAT there are Gentiles in the Tribulation and Gentiles in the Millennium  !!!


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 30, 2010, 08:21:16 AM
So once again dan you do not answer the question directed to you.

Describe and explain what you feel the millenium is, what does it consist of.  Go ahead and give us a timeline if you like, highlighting the key points.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 30, 2010, 08:43:19 PM
So once again dan you do not answer the question directed to you.

Describe and explain what you feel the millenium is, what does it consist of.  Go ahead and give us a timeline if you like, highlighting the key points.

 Hi Jerry and possibly my post was lost and here we go again .

 I have AN nswer  but my answer does not and will  not fit your expections .

Rev 20:2 , 3 , 4 ,5 ,6 ,and 7 is where the 1000 years are found as you should well know .   Let me know f you  DO  NO0T  believe in the Millennium ??

 #1 , The next thing in God's program is the  DEPARTURE/RAPTURE   of the Body of Christ !!

 #2 , Next begins the 7 yr  Tribulation !!

 #3 , Then the Judgment of the Nations , Sheep and Goats

 #4 , Then begins the Millennium , 1000 reign of Christ .

 #5 , And after the Millennium begins , depending on what you believe , that after how you see  Psa 105:8-10 , what a Generation , IS !!!

 God says for a 1000 generations and  IF  it a generation is 40 years , then it will continue for 40,000 more years .

 #6 , Then you still    TO  factor in Eph 1:10 and what the  Dispensation of the  FULNESS OF TIMES  MEANS !!!

 And as I have said it is a big subject ,   dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 31, 2010, 10:16:47 AM
Dan thank you.

Have a couple of questions and requests.

Please place core Scripture references with your time frame, so that we can know where you get your ideas from Biblicly.

Second, would you not have the other judgment as described at the end of Rev 20?

And not certain what you are referring to on #5 and #6 since you did not specify any real "event" that would fit into your timeline....but not certain if it is pertinent since we are talking the millennium.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 31, 2010, 02:13:49 PM
Dan thank you.

Have a couple of questions and requests.

Please place core Scripture references with your time frame, so that we can know where you get your ideas from Biblicly.

Second, would you not have the other judgment as described at the end of Rev 20?

And not certain what you are referring to on #5 and #6 since you did not specify any real "event" that would fit into your timeline....but not certain if it is pertinent since we are talking the millennium.

 Hi Bother Jerry and I just received very good news , as my wife had a heart attack on Dec 26 and and they had to put 2  stents in a main artery .

 I just received a phone call at 10:15 am on Dec 31 , and they have discharged her , and what a New  Year  it is .

 Not to worry for I can defend my position on the Millennium and has been a emotional week for me , THANK YOU LORD , DAN P


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on December 31, 2010, 02:53:05 PM
Woohooo glad to hear that....now don't keep her up late tonight drinking and smoking stogies :)


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on December 31, 2010, 07:21:39 PM
Woohooo glad to hear that....now don't keep her up late tonight drinking and smoking stogies :)

 Hi Brother Jerry and just as we were going to get her , SHE CALLED AND THAT THEY WOULD NOT RELEASE HER , so it look like another day , the first of Jan 1  , 2011 .  Here heart has all been checked , but the blood pressure has not yet equalized as it dropped enough and will monitor till the 1 , of Jan .

 I just thank God , that my wife survived the first attack and that we got her to the hospital in time before another attack hit her , and to all a happy new year  , dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on January 04, 2011, 08:45:08 AM
HOpe you are home now.  And we are still praying for her, and for you during this time.  Recovery can sometimes be worse than the attack.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on January 04, 2011, 02:13:56 PM
HOpe you are home now.  And we are still praying for her, and for you during this time.  Recovery can sometimes be worse than the attack.

 Hi Bother Jerry and the hospital discharged her on Jan 1 , 2011 , and it looks good so far . Thanks for your prayers ,  dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on January 04, 2011, 05:27:07 PM
Dan thank you.

Have a couple of questions and requests.


Second, would you not have the other judgment as described at the end of Rev 20?


 Hi Brother Jerry , and the Judgment at Rev 20 , has to do with the  WGT  Judgment at the end of the 1000 reign of Christ .



Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on January 05, 2011, 08:37:46 AM
WGT?


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on January 05, 2011, 01:32:17 PM
WGT?

 Hi Bother Jerry and  WGT means Western Greek Text and is also known by the following names ;

 #1 , Minority Text
 #2 , Alexandrian  Text
 #3 , Westcott and Hort Text
 #4 , Nestle's Text
 #5 , Nestle-Aland Text

 One of the main objections in accepting the  WGT  is its attitude as a whole , toward the Lord Jesus Christ .The part of the NEW  TESTAMENT  that shows any respect for the Lord is in the epistles of Paul .

The  WGT  , in this sense , is more Pauline than the  RECEIVED  TEXT , which is why 61 , readings have been taken from it

 dan p


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: Brother Jerry on January 05, 2011, 02:41:36 PM
WGT....DUH....sorry had a moment of brain flatulence. 

So how does it being WGT have anything to do with the judgment in Rev 20.  Sorry you just had not explained your stance on that and how that has any relevance.


Title: Re: How are Gentiles SAVED in the Millennium ??
Post by: dan p on January 05, 2011, 05:37:32 PM
WGT....DUH....sorry had a moment of brain flatulence. 

So how does it being WGT have anything to do with the judgment in Rev 20.  Sorry you just had not explained your stance on that and how that has any relevance.

 Hi Bother Jerry and I am still trying to figure out why I said that ??

 But you know Jerry , you have not replied to post #18 , #20 or #24 , and many others ,

so stop dancing and at least reply , for I am feeling that your bible knowledge is very lacking !!!

 And talk about  NOT  present verses , what is the problem ??

 If, you just want to ask questions fine , but you are not taking no stand  !!!