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Title: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on September 24, 2010, 01:59:27 PM
Hi to all , and in Acts 8:1-3 , Paul is consenting to the death of Stephen .

 And in verse 3 , Saul/Paul is making Havock  of the church , entering into every house , and haling men and women committed them to prison .

 And in Gal 1:13 , Paul reveals that  " in times past in the Jews religion , how that beyond measure I persecuted the Church of God and wasted it .

 Since this is before Paul's salvation and before Paul wrote of the Body of Christ , or that anyone knew about the Body of Christ !!

 What is the name of this Church or Assembly ??

 Does this not say that there is mo0re than one Gospel ?


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 07, 2010, 11:35:04 AM
Hi Dan P

I do not understand it to mean there is more than one gospel  that is certified.  Names are important and they mean something and so with the church from above.  Most names in the NT for the church will break down into the name of Christ which is the name above all.  Most frequently the word (in our English) used is "church" and Jesus said He would build His.

God bless,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 17, 2010, 03:20:02 PM
Hi Dan P

I do not understand it to mean there is more than one gospel  that is certified.  Names are important and they mean something and so with the church from above.  Most names in the NT for the church will break down into the name of Christ which is the name above all.  Most frequently the word (in our English) used is "church" and Jesus said He would build His.

God bless,
duval

 Hi duval , and the Matt 16:18 is for Israel and has nothing to do with what Paul calls the Body of Christ .

 Both are called  Assemblies and one is Dispensational and the other is for the Kingdom of Heaven .


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 17, 2010, 03:46:07 PM
He Dan

Hi Dan

"the churches of Christ salute you" Rom.16:16.  If this is what they are in the plural, what are they in the singular?????

God bless,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 18, 2010, 03:04:35 PM
He Dan

Hi Dan

"the churches of Christ salute you" Rom.16:16.  If this is what they are in the plural, what are they in the singular?????

God bless,
duval


 Hi duval  and the answer is church !!

 The real answer is  EKKLESIA  or Assembly or maybe Congregation !!


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 18, 2010, 03:20:07 PM
Hi Dan

While it is call "church" in our English more often than any other word thats NOT all the facts.  Paul said "churches of Christ" in Rom.1616.  Again I ask since I didn't get an answer the first time, If they are "churches of Christ" in the plural  WHAT would they be in the singular?????:"

Or, how about "church of God" in Acts 20:28?????  Need I go on?


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 18, 2010, 03:26:53 PM
Hi Dan

I didn't put those yellow faces on my last post either -----duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 18, 2010, 03:39:44 PM
Hi Dan

While it is call "church" in our English more often than any other word thats NOT all the facts.  Paul said "churches of Christ" in Rom.1616.  Again I ask since I didn't get an answer the first time, If they are "churches of Christ" in the plural  WHAT would they be in the singular?????:"

Or, how about "church of God" in Acts 20:28?????  Need I go on?

 Hi duval , if all elses fails read reply #4 ,  because the Greek word is  EKKLESIA   and  EK  means from out of and LESIA  means a calling , so quit saying it means Church , and you need to get Strong's and VINES , DAN P


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 18, 2010, 04:02:36 PM
Hi Dan

I have Strongs and I have Vines and I have more than all that and I know what ekklesia means and I know as I think I have posted to you that church is used in our Engllish Blbles and that church got there from usage in Scandenavian countries and Germany.  Sir I know all that.  I know when Jesus said "will build my ----" the English Bibles use "church" and not "called out", "assembly" etc.
I KNOW ALL THAT BEFORE MEETING YOU, but dear sir, I continue to press, Rom.16:16  which would mean "the called out of Christ" or the "assemblly of Christ" and the same with Acts 20:28 except it uses the word "God" and not "Christ".

God bless,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 18, 2010, 07:27:12 PM
Hi Dan

I have Strongs and I have Vines and I have more than all that and I know what ekklesia means and I know as I think I have posted to you that church is used in our Engllish Blbles and that church got there from usage in Scandenavian countries and Germany.  Sir I know all that.  I know when Jesus said "will build my ----" the English Bibles use "church" and not "called out", "assembly" etc.
I KNOW ALL THAT BEFORE MEETING YOU, but dear sir, I continue to press, Rom.16:16  which would mean "the called out of Christ" or the "assemblly of Christ" and the same with Acts 20:28 except it uses the word "God" and not "Christ".

God bless,
duval

 Hi duval , and if you has the Greek text , then any good student of the word will see the word  EKKLESIA  is used in Rom 16:16  ,"  the Assembly of God "
  dan p


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 18, 2010, 07:59:12 PM
Hi Dan

I didn't put those yellow faces on my last post either -----duval

If you type three question marks in a row the system automatically places the question smiley in their place.

If you don't want smiley's in your posts you can click on the 'Additional Options' below the response box and then click on the box in front of 'Don't use smileys.'


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 18, 2010, 09:06:48 PM
Hi Mr. Rogers

Thanks for the info on smileys, I didn't know that.

God bless,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 18, 2010, 09:16:39 PM
Dan

I have the Greek text, several in fact.  The Greek text does not have "God" in Rom.16:16 but "Christ".  Check it out.

As I pointed out in a previous post I've known the meaning of "ecclesia" and its relation.  Have so for years, maybe longer than you have lived, who knows? 

Blessed assurance,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 20, 2010, 04:01:50 PM
Dan

I have the Greek text, several in fact.  The Greek text does not have "God" in Rom.16:16 but "Christ".  Check it out.

As I pointed out in a previous post I've known the meaning of "ecclesia" and its relation.  Have so for years, maybe longer than you have lived, who knows? 

Blessed assurance,
duval

 Hi duval and my KJV  has  CHRISTOS   and the Assembly is spelled  EKKLESIA and not ecclesia .

 If you know that EKKLESIA  means assemby , what does Church mean ???


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 20, 2010, 05:58:36 PM
Hi Dan

In you reply # 12 you said Romans 16:16 had "God".  The text says "Christ."  My point remains in force: if in Rom.16:16 it is assemblies of Christ (plural) WHAT would the singular be??  Assembly of Christ of course.  I think BOTH of us know YOU are dodging the question.

Thinks for the spelling lesson on ekklesia.  HOWEVER if you had taken the time to note my reply #12 I DID spell the word ecclesia BEFORE spelling it with 2 cs.  Further evidence you are desperateliy trying to dodge the issue. 

I gave you a brief history on how the word "church" came in use.  That too you avoid.

God bless,

duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 02:05:39 PM
Hi Dan

In you reply # 12 you said Romans 16:16 had "God".  The text says "Christ."  My point remains in force: if in Rom.16:16 it is assemblies of Christ (plural) WHAT would the singular be??  Assembly of Christ of course.  I think BOTH of us know YOU are dodging the question.

Thinks for the spelling lesson on ekklesia.  HOWEVER if you had taken the time to note my reply #12 I DID spell the word ecclesia BEFORE spelling it with 2 cs.  Further evidence you are desperateliy trying to dodge the issue. 

I gave you a brief history on how the word "church" came in use.  That too you avoid.

God bless,

duval


 Hi duval , and thanks for comedy and you are Hilarious  !! dan p


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 22, 2010, 04:05:36 PM
Hi Dan P

No comedy at all Dan, except the fact you will not handle Rom.16:16.  It indeed would be hilarious were it not so SAD!

Best wishes Dan
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 08:30:17 PM
Hi Dan P

No comedy at all Dan, except the fact you will not handle Rom.16:16.  It indeed would be hilarious were it not so SAD!

Best wishes Dan
duval

 Hi duval and here is a word translation from R C BROCK ,   Greet one another by a holy kiss .  The  ASSEMBLIES / EKKLESIA of Christ greet you .

 Have I made my self clear ????


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 22, 2010, 08:46:05 PM
Hi Dan

While it is call "church" in our English more often than any other word thats NOT all the facts.  Paul said "churches of Christ" in Rom.1616.  Again I ask since I didn't get an answer the first time, If they are "churches of Christ" in the plural  WHAT would they be in the singular?????:"

Or, how about "church of God" in Acts 20:28?????  Need I go on?

 Hi duval and if you look up the Greek text for plural or singular , watch how i spell it  ,  EKKLESIA  ,  and just because in English it has Churches  does not make it so !!

 Here is one for you to  TRY  and understand ,  Translation are  NOT  INSPIRED  and there is no thing as  DOUBLE  INSPIRATION  ,  do you read ???


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 23, 2010, 08:11:20 PM
Hi Dan

Well Dan there you go again messing with the truth to your own destruction. 

You wrote:  "_ _ _ AND IF YOU LOOK UP THE GREEK TEXT FOR PLURAL OR SINGULAR, WATCH HOW I SPELL IT, EKKLESIA, AND JUST BECAUSE IN ENGLISH IT HAS CHURCHES DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!!"

I have read the Greek text and there is a PLURL before Christ in Rom.16:16.  I shall provide you with the spelling for  the plural of EKKLESIA, its:  'EKKLASIA'.    The plural may be found  (besides Rom.16:16) in such places as:  Acts 15:41;  I Cor.7:17; IICor.8:19; I Thes.2:14 and II Thes.1:4 for a few examples for there are others.  You may learn this from Thayer, pg.196.

The name you  gave this topic is ''WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS CHURCH?"  Again I ask what you refuse to answer:  If in Rom.16:16 they are called "churches of Christ" in the plural, WHAT WOULD THEY BE CALLED IN THE SINGULAR??  Either way you go, plural or singular my answer to  the question of YOUR topic is correct!  Now DEAL with it!

While you do, if you do, God bless---duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 23, 2010, 09:17:33 PM
Hi Dan

Well Dan there you go again messing with the truth to your own destruction. 

You wrote:  "_ _ _ AND IF YOU LOOK UP THE GREEK TEXT FOR PLURAL OR SINGULAR, WATCH HOW I SPELL IT, EKKLESIA, AND JUST BECAUSE IN ENGLISH IT HAS CHURCHES DOES NOT MAKE IT SO!!"

I have read the Greek text and there is a PLURL before Christ in Rom.16:16.  I shall provide you with the spelling for  the plural of EKKLESIA, its:  'EKKLASIA'.    The plural may be found  (besides Rom.16:16) in such places as:  Acts 15:41;  I Cor.7:17; IICor.8:19; I Thes.2:14 and II Thes.1:4 for a few examples for there are others.  You may learn this from Thayer, pg.196.

The name you  gave this topic is ''WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS CHURCH?"  Again I ask what you refuse to answer:  If in Rom.16:16 they are called "churches of Christ" in the plural, WHAT WOULD THEY BE CALLED IN THE SINGULAR??  Either way you go, plural or singular my answer to  the question of YOUR topic is correct!  Now DEAL with it!

While you do, if you do, God bless---duval

 Hi duval and when I am wrong I am glad to admit it .    The Greek text , that I check left out the letter i , and should be spelled  EKKLESIAI  , 

 #1 , Is in the  NOMINATIVE  CASE  or the case of the subject  .

 #2 , It , then is in the plural , because of the ending that my translation left off .

 #3 , It is a Feminine noun

 #4 , The Article is  AI  and that was a clue I did not see .  dan p


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 28, 2010, 11:18:11 AM
Hi Dan

So again I ask: If they were called churches of Christ in the plural ( Rom.16:16) what would they be in the singular??

Or, if you prefer: If they were called assemblies of Christ in the plural ( Rom.16:16 ) what would theiy be in the singular??

Remember, its your thread on the name of the church, assembliy or called out. Please deal with it.
In Christian love,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 28, 2010, 06:19:39 PM
Hi Dan

So again I ask: If they were called churches of Christ in the plural ( Rom.16:16) what would they be in the singular??

Or, if you prefer: If they were called assemblies of Christ in the plural ( Rom.16:16 ) what would theiy be in the singular??

Remember, its your thread on the name of the church, assembliy or called out. Please deal with it.
In Christian love,
duval

 Hi duval , in the plural is it  EKKLESIAI  and in the Singular it is  EKKLESIA  , and I just put it in the wrong page  , dan p


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 28, 2010, 06:56:40 PM
Dan, the name of this thread which you started is ''WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS CHURCH''?  I continue to ask, if in the plural theiy are churches, assemblies or called out of Christ WHAT would they be in the singular of Rom.16:16??  Why church  of Christ or assembly of Christ our the called out of Christ, of course.
God bless,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 29, 2010, 02:34:35 PM
Dan, the name of this thread which you started is ''WHAT IS THE NAME OF THIS CHURCH''?  I continue to ask, if in the plural theiy are churches, assemblies or called out of Christ WHAT would they be in the singular of Rom.16:16??  Why church  of Christ or assembly of Christ our the called out of Christ, of course.
God bless,
duval

 Hi duval , and I am laughing at you when I have answered you and you need to focus , dan p


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 30, 2010, 01:04:07 PM
Hi Dan

You need to focus on my question which has been repeated numerous times without answer!

Sincereliy,
duval


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: dan p on December 30, 2010, 06:53:07 PM
Hi Dan

You need to focus on my question which has been repeated numerous times without answer!

Sincereliy,
duval

 Hi duval , and I do not like ask again , what question have you not understood ??


Title: Re: What is the name of this Church ?
Post by: duval on December 30, 2010, 09:10:36 PM
Hi Dan

My post reply # 23 made Dec.28

God bless,
duval