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Title: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on November 07, 2007, 09:15:34 PM
Y'all should have known this was coming.....................
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Ford reaffirms commitment to homosexual groups

Ford says more "gay" support could be forthcoming

October 25, 2007

In an interview with The Advocate (Nov. 2007 issue), America's largest homosexual magazine, Ford states more gay-specific ads are a distinct possibility.

In reaffirming its commitment to advancing homosexuality, Ford spokesman Jim Cain said, "We haven't ruled out the possibility of doing more targeted (gay specific) ads…"

The comment came in a four-page article entitled, "Driving the Gay Market," summarizing Ford's past and current advertising practices in gay and lesbian publications. 

Providing evidence of their continued commitment to the homosexual agenda, Ford placed a full-page ad in the November 2007 issue of OUT promoting its new Volvo C30 automobile.  OUT is the nation's second largest homosexual magazine.

Ford reaffirms commitment to homosexual groups (http://www.afa.net/ford102507.htm)

Please sign the Boycott Ford Pledge. (http://www.boycottford.com/)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 07, 2007, 09:55:24 PM
Signed.

It's all about the all mighty dollar isn't it.


Title: Evangelical Rethink on Divorce?
Post by: Shammu on November 08, 2007, 12:16:40 PM
Evangelical Rethink on Divorce?

By DAVID VAN BIEMA Tue Nov 6, 12:30 AM ET

On questions relating to the Bible's treatment of family and morals, one might expect assurance, if not rigidity, from Evangelical Christianity. So, it may surprise many to learn how "live" the topic of divorce remains in Evangelical circles. Last month, the cover story of the monthly Christianity Today was titled "When to Separate What God has Joined: A Closer Reading on the Bible on Divorce." The heated controversy provoked by the story showed how Biblically flexible some Evangelicals can be - especially when God's word seems at odds not just with modern American behavior, but also with simple human kindness.

As the article's author, the British Evangelical scholar David Instone-Brewer, points out, for most of 2,000 years Christians have viewed divorce through two scriptural citations. In Matthew, the pharisees ask Christ, "Is it lawful for a man to divorce his wife for any cause?" Jesus refers to the Old Testament and then replies, "Whoever divorces a wife, except for sexual indecency, commits adultery." The apostle Paul adds in the book First Corinthians that a Christian is "not bound" to a non-Christian spouse who abandons him. Simple, right?

Instone-Brewer radically reinterprets the first passage using, of all things, quotation marks. The Greek of the New Testament didn't always contain them, and scholars agree that sometimes they must be added in to make sense of it. Instone-Brewer, an expert in Jewish thought during Jesus's era, writes that Christ's interlocutors were not asking him whether there was any cause at all for divorce, but whether he supported something called "any-cause" divorce, a term a little bit like "no-fault" that allowed husbands to divorce wives for any reason at all. Instone-Brewer claims Jesus's "no" was a response to this idea, and that his "except for sexual indecency" condition was not a statement of the sole exemption from God's blanket prohibition, but merely Christ's reiteration of one of several divorce permissions in the Old Testament - one he felt the "any-time" advocates had exaggerated. Finally, Instone-Brewer tallies four grounds for divorce he finds affirmed in both Old and New Testaments: adultery, emotional and sexual neglect, abandonment (by anyone) and abuse.

Christianity Today has written previously on divorce, often bemoaning how easy it is in today's America. However, the Instone-Brewer essay appeared to be its editors' attempt to offer Evangelicals an escape from a classic dilemma. The "plain sense" of Jesus's words without quotes seems clear enough, but also inhumane: how could a loving God forbid divorce, even by omission, in cases of wife-beating, or of abandonment by a Christian spouse?

Each branch of Christianity deals with divorce in its own way: Catholicism bans it entirely, but many divorced and remarried couples nonetheless find that their conscience permits them to take Communion. Liberal Protestantism accepted divorce some decades ago without much engagement of the scriptural issue. Evangelicals define themselves as being tightly bound by scripture. But besides the humanitarian problem, there are some uncomfortable facts on the ground: The divorce rate among Evangelicals, which first became news after polls released by the Barna Research Group in 2001, has been as high or higher than the national average.

The Evangelical movement has actually made tremendous accommodations given the strictures it lives under. Ministries for the newly divorced are common at megachurches; and on the historically less-rigid Pentecostal side of the spectrum, celebrity preachers Juanita Bynum and Paula White both recently announced their intention to divorce. Most experts interviewed for this story attested that whereas 30 years ago, a pastor might well order a battered woman home to return her husband, that is rare today.

More conservative Evangelicals remain uneasy about divorce. If a split itself is inescapable, notes Christianity Today editor Andy Crouch, "remarriage is where the rubber meets the road," and many remarried couples find themselves denied church membership. Says Russel Moore, dean of the 16.3 million-member Southern Baptist Convention's influential Southern Seminary, "We teach our future pastors that marriage is a lifelong, one-flesh union." Any woman in an abusive marriage should "leave that situation," he acknowledges, and a "majority" probably accept remarriage. Asked if he does, Moore demurred: "Let me think about that for a little bit. I could answer in a way that would be very easily misunderstood."

Evangelical conflict on the topic was obvious in reader response to the Instone Brewer essay. Initially the mail was heavily negative. The most stinging broadside sas a column by John Piper, a respected theological conservative, that called the essay not just weak but "tragic." The magazine's editor in chief, David Neff, felt the need to explain online that "Instone-Brewer's article did not... give people carte blanche on divorce." The mail eventually leveled off at 60% negative to 40% positive.

Still, the controversy suggests that even the country's most rule-bound Christians will search for a fresh understanding of scripture when it seems unjust to them. The implications? Flexibility on divorce may mean that evangelicals could also rethink their position on such things as gay marriage, as a generation of Christians far more accepting of homosexuality begins to move into power. (The ever-active Barna folks have found that 57% of "born-again" Christians age 16-29 criticize their own church for being "anti-homosexual.") It could also give heart to a certain twice-divorced former New York mayor who is running for President and seeking the conservative vote. But that may be pushing things a bit.

Evangelical Rethink on Divorce? (http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/20071106/us_time/anevangelicalrethinkondivorce)


Title: Re: Evangelical Rethink on Divorce?
Post by: Shammu on November 08, 2007, 12:23:47 PM
The Word of God tells us that He hates divorce. This looks like another excuse to do mans will through twisting the Word, and not Gods! If God hates it, as a follower of Christ, what more can I say?

Malachi 2:14-16 Yet you ask, Why does He reject it? Because the Lord was witness [to the covenant made at your marriage] between you and the wife of your youth, against whom you have dealt treacherously and to whom you were faithless. Yet she is your companion and the wife of your covenant [made by your marriage vows]. 15 And did not God make [you and your wife] one [flesh]? Did not One make you and preserve your spirit alive? And why [did God make you two] one? Because He sought a godly offspring [from your union]. Therefore take heed to yourselves, and let no one deal treacherously and be faithless to the wife of his youth. 16 For the Lord, the God of Israel, says: I hate divorce and marital separation and him who covers his garment [his wife] with violence. Therefore keep a watch upon your spirit [that it may be controlled by My Spirit], that you deal not treacherously and faithlessly [with your marriage mate].

That tells me all I need to know. I, as a man, am told to love my wife as Christ loved the church. If I do my part in my house, and act as the spiritual head of my house led by God, then divorce no longer becomes an option.

If only more people would follow Christ, we wouldn't have problems we have today.


Title: Nation Hotel Bibles Being Replaced With Porn, Intimacy Kits, Free Condoms
Post by: Shammu on November 12, 2007, 03:34:23 PM
Nation Hotel Bibles Being Replaced With Porn, Intimacy Kits, Free Condoms

By Roya Wolverson

In the rooms of Manhattan's trendy Soho Grand Hotel guests can enjoy an eclectic selection of underground music, iPod docking stations, flat-screen TVs and even the living company of a complimentary goldfish. But, alas, the word of God is nowhere to be found. Unlike traditional hotels, the 10-year-old boutique has never put Bibles in its guest rooms, because "society evolves," says hotel spokeswoman Lori DeBlois. Providing Bibles would mean the hotel "would have to take care of every guest's belief."

What might be surprising to many Americans is that the Bible-free room isn't a development just in hip New York City hotels. Across the country upscale accommodations are doing away with the Bible as a standard room amenity. And in its stead have arrived a slew of "lifestyle" products that cater to a younger, hipper (and presumably less religious) clientele. Since 2001 the number of luxury hotels with religious materials in the rooms has dropped by 18 percent, according to the American Hotel and Lodging Association. The Nashville-based Gideons International, which has distributed copies of the Christian scripture to hotels since 1908, declined to comment on this trend.

Edgier chains like the W provide "intimacy kits" with condoms in the minibar, while New York's Mercer Hotel supplies a free condom in each bathroom. Neither has Bibles. Since its recent renovation, the Sofitel L.A. offers a tantalizing lovers' dice game: roll one die for the action to be performed (for example, "kiss," "lick") and the other for the associated body part. The hotel's "mile high" kit, sold in the revamped gift shop, includes a condom, a mini vibrator, a feather tickler and lubricant. The new Indigo hotel in Scottsdale, Ariz., a "branded boutique" launched by InterContinental, also has no Bibles, but it does offer a "One Night Stand" package for guests seeking VIP treatment at local nightclubs and late checkout for the hazy morning after.

The reason for hotels' shift in focus? Leisure travel is up, business travel is down, and younger generations are entering the hotel market. Leisure now leads business by more than 10 percent in U.S. hotel stays, according to travel research firm D. K. Shifflet & Associates. With the lead in technology, design and nightlife, the boutique market is where Generations X, Y and young baby boomers want to be, says CEO Doug Shifflet. And with the boutique sector booming (boutique hotel rooms have grown by 23 percent since 2001, compared to only 7 percent for standard rooms), more traditional chains, which once catered to business clientele, are now desperate to emulate.

Sofitel's brand, for example, is taking "a new direction," says Daniel Entenberg, the "romance concierge" at the chain's flagship Los Angeles location. He was brought in two years ago in an effort to reposition the entire company's image. The chain once had Bibles in all guest rooms, but the corporate office in Dallas recently removed them due to guest inquiries about why other religious texts weren't available.

Even the staid Marriott chain, founded by a Mormon, is debating whether or not to include Bibles in its yet to be named boutique chain, which is set to launch in partnership with hipster hotelier Ian Schrager, who created the '70s disco Studio 54 and later New York City's Morgans, Royalton and Paramount hotels—which are largely credited with kicking off the boutique hotel craze. Schrager says he hasn't yet discussed the Bible amenity with Marriott, though he adds that his properties have never had in-room Bibles.

Marriott spokesman John Wolf says the Bible question is premature for the new venture, which he describes as "cutting-edge," "more urban" and "less values-oriented." Now, there's a marketing slogan no one's tried yet: "Sleep with us. Leave the values at home."

Nation Hotel Bibles Being Replaced With Porn, Intimacy Kits, Free Condoms (http://www.newsweek.com/id/69049)


Title: Silent Indoctrination: Meditating in School
Post by: Shammu on November 12, 2007, 07:37:33 PM
Silent Indoctrination: Meditating in School
CBNNews.com
November 10, 2007

CBNNews.com - Pencils, papers, books and... relaxation mats - could be coming to a school near you.

It is estimated that the number of public, private, and charter schools in the nation exposing children to a Hindu-based meditation practice will reach 100 by next year - a 75 percent increase since 2006.

Supporters of this practice, known as Transcendental Meditation, say it is not religious and has no harmful side effects. But many disagree.

Mainstreaming Meditation

Over the past four decades, Hindu-based meditation practices have been making steady headway into mainstream culture. You may be most familiar with the image of a person sitting in a yoga posture, chanting "ohm" while resting their hands upon their knees - palms up.

But today, not only has this practice known as transcendental meditation, become a part of the mainstream, it has crept into the public school system with increasing force.

Just this month, 1960s pop star Donovan announced he was joining film director David Lynch to open the Invincible Donovan University in an effort to inject the mind-altering practice into education.

Lynch, who founded the David Lynch Foundation, has actively promoted transcendental meditation in schools across America for years.

The director has toured the U.S. with Donovan to increase the number of schools and colleges using their techniques to "help" students relieve the crime, stress, and violence on campuses. From 2005 to 2006, the David Lynch Foundation gave more than $3 million to fund TM practices at 20 public, private, and charter schools in the U.S.

Quiet Time in Schools

One elementary school in Washington D.C. has already incorporated TM as part of its everyday curricula.

IDEAL Academy principal Dr. George Rutherford argues that meditation helps students deal with outside stress so they can focus on their schoolwork.

"And if a child comes in and they're stressed out, how do we expect them to learn?" Rutherford asked News 21. He says that TM is the answer.

"It feels like you're floating on clouds," 5th grade student Jami Jones told the news service. She takes part in a daily 10-minute classroom meditation, where she recites her mantra.

Should TM Be Used in Schools?

But the claim that TM is not a religious practice has not been supported in the court room.

A 1977 decision by a U.S. district court made it clear that TM and all of its affiliated teachings "are religious in nature within the context of the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the United States Constitution."

The case was Alan B.Malnak v. Maharishi Mahesh Yogi. District Judge H. Curtis Meanor ruled that the textbook titled Science of Creative Intelligence was also religious in nature, and violated separation of church and state.

Despite this ruling, many state-funded schools continue to endorse the practice.

In October 2006, students and faculty members of Terra Linda High School in San Rafael, Calif., made plans to participate in a TM club funded by the David Lynch Foundation. Lynch had promised to give a $175,000 grant to the public school,

The support was retracted, however, after parents became aware of the campus program.

Still, Terra Linda's principal Carole Ramsey supported the TM program, ignoring the parental concerns raised. In a report from The Associated Press, she accused "a few individuals" for stirring up "an environment that has led to the withdrawal of this grant."

Ramsey said the school would continue to urge students interested in TM to find other similar programs.

TM's Harmful Effects

Although the TM movement touts positive benefits, many detrimental effects have been documented.

A German study published by the Institute for Youth and Society reports that psychological disorders and illnesses accompany 76 percent of those who practice TM.

The study showed that of those practicing TM: 63 percent experienced fatigue, 52 percent underwent "states of anxiety," 45 percent suffered from depression, 39 percent exhibited nervousness, 39 percent showed signs of regression, 26 percent had nervous breakdowns, and 20 expressed suicidal tendencies.

Students who performed well at school before practicing TM were included in the study, making it even more unclear that TM has any positive effect on the student.

In fact, in the German study, 61 percent found it hard to maintain their workload. Only 13 percent said they could handle more. Another 56 percent had decreased concentration, and only 16 percent claimed an improvement.

Dr. William Hathaway, psychology professor at Regent University, said he does not believe TM lives up to its claims.

"If it is just used as a de-stressing method, then I am not aware of any evidence that TM is a better route to this goal than simple rest or other quieting activities," he said.

Hathaway also compared TM to Christian meditation.

"I will say, however, that Christian and biblical meditation can be distinguished from Eastern meditation, as its deliberate focus is on God," Hathaway said. "We may also try to 'quiet' the nervous system, but we focus on an encounter with the divine Other, not an alleged self within."

The TM Experience

TM doctrine declares that stress is the originator of all personal tribulations. However, one former TMer says the practice is not only religious in nature, but deceitful.

"TM doctrine teaches that absolutely all personal difficulties and restrictions are caused by 'stress,' which is some 'abnormality' in the nervous system," Joe Kellet said on the Web site, Suggestibility.org. Kellet is now working to expose the deception behind TM.

Kellet argues that TM teaching claims participants can reach "Cosmic Consciousness," by taking part in a "simple relaxation exercise" twice a day for 20 minutes.

He adds that the "exercise is supposed to produce people who are morally perfect, people who will 'perform spontaneous right actions' in everything they think and do and will receive 'support' from something called 'nature."

When he taught TM, Kellet admits that he regularly deceived his students.

"As a teacher I frequently lied to people 'for their own good" because 'they weren't ready yet' to receive the full truth, and so did my friends who were teachers," Kellet said on Suggestibility.com. "We didn't think of it as 'lying.' We thought we were giving people as much truth as they could handle."

He said one of the frequent lies is that TM is not a religion.

Is TM a Religion?

Christian apologists argue that the rituals TMers must go through in seeking to relieve stress don't comply with claims that the practice is not religious.

"TM, however, is not a neutral discipline that can be practiced without harm to the individual," Christian authors Josh McDowell and Don Stewart said in their Handbook of Today's Religions. "In actuality, TM is a Hindu meditation technique that attempts to unite the meditator with Brahman, the Hindu concept of God."

In fact, McDowell and Stewart said that the religious content of a simple initiation ceremony TM instructors read contain phrases that hail, give offerings, and bow down to Hindu gods.

Silent Indoctrination: Meditating in School (http://www.cbn.com/CBNnews/261448.aspx)


Title: Re: Silent Indoctrination: Meditating in School
Post by: Shammu on November 12, 2007, 07:44:41 PM
Quote
Mainstreaming Meditation

Not Religious??

TM is nothing but Hindu spirituality. It was created by a Hindu guru & has is inseparable from hinduism and is tied into the occult and paganism. Sadly many people, probably practice it just to relax and have no idea that it's nothing but hinduism repackaged as a form of relaxation.


Title: Head of Google Israel refuses to censor hate material on the Web
Post by: Shammu on November 12, 2007, 08:17:24 PM
Head of Google Israel refuses to censor hate material on the Web
By The Associated Press

Google is not the address for stopping online hate, the Israel director of the well known search engine told a conference on Monday.

Organizers of the conference representing the Anti-Defamation League, a Jewish group that counters anti-Semitism, brought examples of anti-Jewish hate material freely available on the Internet, and participants called for more action to stop it.

But Google Israel Director Meir Brand explained his company's free-access philosophy that puts it on the sidelines of the war against cyberhate.

"At Google, we have a bias in favor of people's right to free expression," he said. "Google is not and should not become the central arbiter of what does and does and does not appear on the Web. That's for elected governments and courts to decide," Brand said.

He said Google removes results from its search index only when required to by law, for example, when copyright infringement is an issue. In Germany and Austria, he said, Google removes Nazi content, which is against the law there.

Recognizing the problem, however, Google has instituted a warning system for hate entries, taking viewers to a page warning that some of the search results may be offensive, and noting that opinions expressed do not necessarily reflect Google's views.

"The problem with using law to combat hate speech online is that technology changes so quickly," said Brian Marcus, director of Internet monitoring for ADL North America. "By the time the law is amended to prohibit certain sites," he said, "those sites have changed names and addresses."

"The law is simply one tool in the toolbox for dealing with hate speech," said Christopher Wolf, chairman of the International Network Against Cyberhate. "We [also] need the voluntary cooperation of the Internet industry."

"I applaud the efforts of Google," he said, but he called for more. He said social networking sites like MySpace and Facebook have been accused of hosting racist and religiously offensive content, and that must be dealt with.

Avi Aviv, head of the Israeli police computer crimes unit, said the law has not yet adapted to the many types of cybercrime, including hate speech that leads to violent acts.

"The traditional 'scene of the crime' is changing," Aviv said. "In the past there were street gangs [who] rumbled. Today, these rumbles take place on the Internet."

Head of Google Israel refuses to censor hate material on the Web (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/923191.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 12, 2007, 10:52:34 PM
Not Religious??

TM is nothing but Hindu spirituality. It was created by a Hindu guru & has is inseparable from hinduism and is tied into the occult and paganism. Sadly many people, probably practice it just to relax and have no idea that it's nothing but hinduism repackaged as a form of relaxation.

And next?  A peyote induced sacramental vision?


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 12, 2007, 11:00:32 PM
It is various forms of this TM that we see infiltrating many of our churches today right along with many other subtle paganistic teachings. I don't mean just the universal ones either but those that are otherwise fairly fundamental in their teachings.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 12, 2007, 11:49:23 PM
It is various forms of this TM that we see infiltrating many of our churches today right along with many other subtle paganistic teachings. I don't mean just the universal ones either but those that are otherwise fairly fundamental in their teachings.

Pretty scary when you can't trust the church.  Those of us that have been around awhile can hopefully see though something like this, but what about new Christians looking for a church home?


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Littleboy on November 13, 2007, 02:41:50 PM
We really turned to Paganism in a BIG way When Constitine seen HIS Vision of a Firey Cross & had his Conversion and the Offical Religon became Christianity! Somewhere around 323 AD...
I'm Sure alot Christians back then said ALLRIGHT no more being fed to Lions No More being used as human torches to light their Gardens at night, No more having to hide to seek God & Love Jesus!
But, what came with that is: A Rabbit & a Egg that was mixed with the Day that our Lord Rose from the Dead...
What ever the word is for "sunday" in italian, was used by them for the 1st day of the Week,
Because they Worshipped the Sun on that day...
They changed the names from HOLYDAYS too HOLIDAYS...
They celebrated the birth of Jesus too & they put it on a day that they use to Worship ALL their GODS,
Like they did the Rabbit for it's reproduction qualities, the Egg for it's fertility & some Godess named Estar,
These of course only being a couple of the 100's of Gods they had...
THIS was done to appease the Roman citizens that was just told that they are all Christians now & not to neglect the
Christians that have been around for awhile...

Think about it, After almost 300 yrs. Satan seen he was'nt gaining any ground by trying to Kill us off,
SO he became that Angel of Light that we have all been told that he can Become. And HAS wormed his way(s) into OUR WAYS...
Do you know that right now in some of those old christian churches in and around Jerusalem have some stuff
made out of the Gold that TITUS took back to Rome after he destroyed the Temple and took all it's Gold, and when Constitines Mother went their some 250 or so yrs. later She had a few Churches Built in certain places and took some of that Gold as did her son and had things made and put them in these churches...
TEMPLE GOLD....
YLBD
P.S
I hope someone enjoys this and looks up all the other things that has happened because of this...
Gods Will Be Done...





Title: So Long, Gideons
Post by: HisDaughter on November 15, 2007, 12:02:09 AM
So Long, Gideons
The one thing travelers could reliably count on in their hotel rooms: a Bible in the bedside table. But like many traditions, this one may be dying.

By Roya Wolverson
Newsweek Web Exclusive
Updated: 3:16 PM ET Nov 8, 2007

In the rooms of Manhattan's trendy Soho Grand Hotel guests can enjoy an eclectic selection of underground music, iPod docking stations, flat-screen TVs and even the living company of a complimentary goldfish. But, alas, the word of God is nowhere to be found. Unlike traditional hotels, the 10-year-old boutique has never put Bibles in its guest rooms, because "society evolves," says hotel spokeswoman Lori DeBlois. Providing Bibles would mean the hotel "would have to take care of every guest's belief."

What might be surprising to many Americans is that the Bible-free room isn't a development just in hip New York City hotels. Across the country upscale accommodations are doing away with the Bible as a standard room amenity. And in its stead have arrived a slew of "lifestyle" products that cater to a younger, hipper (and presumably less religious) clientele. Since 2001 the number of luxury hotels with religious materials in the rooms has dropped by 18 percent, according to the American Hotel and Lodging Association. The Nashville-based Gideons International, which has distributed copies of the Christian scripture to hotels since 1908, declined to comment on this trend.

Edgier chains like the W provide "intimacy kits" with condoms in the minibar, while New York's Mercer Hotel supplies a free condom in each bathroom. Neither has Bibles. The new Indigo hotel in Scottsdale, Ariz., a "branded boutique" launched by InterContinental, also has no Bibles, but it does offer a "One Night Stand" package for guests seeking VIP treatment at local nightclubs and late checkout for the hazy morning after.

The reason for hotels' shift in focus? Leisure travel is up, business travel is down, and younger generations are entering the hotel market. Leisure now leads business by more than 10 percent in U.S. hotel stays, according to travel research firm D. K. Shifflet & Associates. With the lead in technology, design and nightlife, the boutique market is where Generations X, Y and young baby boomers want to be, says CEO Doug Shifflet. And with the boutique sector booming (boutique hotel rooms have grown by 23 percent since 2001, compared to only 7 percent for standard rooms), more traditional chains, which once catered to business clientele, are now desperate to emulate.

Sofitel's brand, for example, is taking "a new direction," says Daniel Entenberg, the "romance concierge" at the chain's flagship Los Angeles location. He was brought in two years ago in an effort to reposition the entire company's image. The chain once had Bibles in all guest rooms, but the corporate office in Dallas recently removed them due to guest inquiries about why other religious texts weren't available.

Even the staid Marriott chain, founded by a Mormon, is debating whether or not to include Bibles in its yet to be named boutique chain, which is set to launch in partnership with hipster hotelier Ian Schrager, who created the '70s disco Studio 54 and later New York City's Morgans, Royalton and Paramount hotels—which are largely credited with kicking off the boutique hotel craze. Schrager says he hasn't yet discussed the Bible amenity with Marriott, though he adds that his properties have never had in-room Bibles.

Marriott spokesman John Wolf says the Bible question is premature for the new venture, which he describes as "cutting-edge," "more urban" and "less values-oriented." Now, there's a marketing slogan no one's tried yet: "Sleep with us. Leave the values at home."



Title: Re: So Long, Gideons
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 15, 2007, 12:29:20 AM
There may be a number of hotels/motels that are not allowing it anymore yet the Gideons are placing more Bibles in peoples hands than they ever have before. Annually, The Gideons International is placing and distributing more than 63,000,000 Scriptures worldwide. This averages one million copies of the Word of God placed every six days, or 120 per minute!

Over the years their ministry has expanded to include more than just hotels/motels.

Jails and Prisons. Gideons are permitted to enter jails and prisons to place Scriptures and share the love of God with prisoners.

Hospitals. Attractive Testaments are placed beside the patients' beds, and many patients and their loved ones have found comfort and peace in the Lord Jesus Christ by reading God's Word. These Testaments are also available to residents of nursing and convalescent homes.

Military. Military personnel have been given Testaments since 1941. New Testaments with Psalms and Proverbs are given to men and women of the Armed Forces. Gideons personally distribute Testaments at military entrance processing stations and also make Testaments available to military chaplains in unlimited quantities for Armed Forces personnel.

Youth. Colorful New Testaments with Psalms and Proverbs are distributed to students from the fifth grade up, at both public and private schools.

Colleges and Universities. The college program was inaugurated in 1972. There have been many favorable responses from college and university students who have received Scriptures. One student stated: "I always believed there was a God, but He was unknown to me. I never read a Bible until The Gideons gave me one and spoke to me about Jesus. Today I am a believer in the Lord Jesus Christ."

Medical. The wives of Gideons present white New Testaments to those in public nursing fields: those who work in hospitals, offices, institutions, clinics, private homes, and are otherwise engaged in bedside nursing care as their livelihood. Nursing students are included.

The association has more than 250,000 members, located in more than 180 countries of the world.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on November 15, 2007, 05:47:42 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

"Immoral Behavior" is a great title for this thread. Evil and immorality is growing and on the move everywhere. It's sad that most of us already know that we can't stop it, and our children and grandchildren will have to put up with it. I doubt that any of us have seen a time where things are changing so rapidly. It should become apparent that the devil wants everything, most certainly including our homes and children.

Now is not the time for any Christian to get weak-kneed and sit down. Just the opposite - we should stand up and demand to be heard. Our duties and responsibilities as Christians are greater than ever. We should all stand tall and strong until JESUS comes to take us home.

The Gideons are a beautiful example for all of us. They won't give up and will continue their work. GOD has work for all of us to do and we should never give up. Christians have faced challenges, danger, beatings, imprisonment, and death around the world since Bible Times. We've had an easy time in this part of the world. It might be our turn and time for challenge and danger. I pray that we all accept that challenge and simply yield to GOD for HIS Use however he pleases. That is our reasonable service to GOD. We all need to pray for the strength, courage, and guidance to do HIS Will until the last moment.

We are Children of the KING OF KINGS and this world isn't our HOME. Truly, we need to become Strong in the LORD and the Power of HIS MIGHT! Truly, we need to put on the Whole Armour of GOD and go forth.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB
I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.

Colossians 1:29 NASB
For this purpose also I labor, striving according to His power, which mightily works within me.

Colossians 1:9-12 NASB
For this reason also, since the day we heard of it, we have not ceased to pray for you and to ask that you may be filled with the knowledge of His will in all spiritual wisdom and understanding, so that you will walk in a manner worthy of the Lord, to please Him in all respects, bearing fruit in every good work and increasing in the knowledge of God; strengthened with all power, according to His glorious might, for the attaining of all steadfastness and patience; joyously giving thanks to the Father, who has qualified us to share in the inheritance of the saints in Light.

Ephesians 6:10-17 NASB
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of His might. Put on the full armor of God, so that you will be able to stand firm against the schemes of the devil. For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the powers, against the world forces of this darkness, against the spiritual forces of wickedness in the heavenly places. Therefore, take up the full armor of God, so that you will be able to resist in the evil day, and having done everything, to stand firm. Stand firm therefore, HAVING GIRDED YOUR LOINS WITH TRUTH, and HAVING PUT ON THE BREASTPLATE OF RIGHTEOUSNESS, and having shod YOUR FEET WITH THE PREPARATION OF THE GOSPEL OF PEACE; in addition to all, taking up the shield of faith with which you will be able to extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. And take THE HELMET OF SALVATION, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God.


Title: Muslims, Christians, Jews at interfaith service urged to express their Thanksgiv
Post by: Shammu on November 22, 2007, 09:49:19 PM
Muslims, Christians, Jews at interfaith service urged to express their Thanksgiving joy by helping others
Muslims, Christians, Jews urged to express happiness by helping
Thursday, November 22, 2007
GREG GARRISON
News staff writer

Seven 4-year-old children stood on the steps of Highlands United Methodist Church at Five Points South just before noon on Wednesday, jumping excitedly and greeting everyone who entered the church.

"Happy Thanksgiving!" they shouted.

The class from the Highlands Child Development Center provided the first dose of cheer at the annual community Thanksgiving service sponsored by the Southside Faith Community.

Then the Rev. Johnny Mosby, pastor of East End Missionary Baptist Church, urged everyone to be not only thankful but also joyful givers.

"We oftentimes get joy mixed up with receiving," Mosby said in his sermon. "When you're able to give, it means you are already a recipient of God's blessings and can share it with others."

More than 100 people, a dozen clergy and the Highlands choir joined in what has become an annual interfaith ritual.

Rabbi Jonathan Miller and Cantor Jessica Roskin of Temple Emanu-El shared a reading from the Hebrew Scriptures, followed by a reading from the Quran by Raed Awad of the Birmingham Islamic Society and a reading from the Gospel of Luke by the Rev. Ed Hurley, pastor of South Highland Presbyterian Church.

"You only get happy when you are able to give to others," said Mosby. "We always expect to have something poured in and are loathe to pour out. You've got to start emptying out. We ought to express our joy by helping others. Maybe it's your enemy, but you need to learn how to give."

An offering was taken up to be divided between the YMCA Youth Center Camp scholarship fund and the Birmingham Hospitality Network.

"Everybody was in the Thanksgiving mood today," said Rhonda Hooks, a member of Highlands Methodist. "The way the world is right now, we need this a lot. We need to get Christians, Jews and Muslims together in the same room more often."

The Rev. Marc Burnette, rector of St. Andrew's Episcopal Church, said this was his first Southside interfaith service and that he was impressed.

"It should be done more than once a year," he said. "We're all brothers and sisters."

Muslims, Christians, Jews at interfaith service urged to express their Thanksgiving joy by helping others (http://www.al.com/news/birminghamnews/index.ssf?/base/news/1195723707224110.xml&coll=2)


Title: Re: Muslims, Christians, Jews at interfaith service urged to express their Thank
Post by: Shammu on November 22, 2007, 09:53:01 PM
Quote
Muslims, Christians, Jews at interfaith service urged to express their Thanksgiving joy by helping others
Muslims, Christians, Jews urged to express happiness by helping

Seven 4-year-old children stood on the steps of Highlands United Methodist Church at Five Points South just before noon on Wednesday, jumping excitedly and greeting everyone who entered the church.

Seeing that this was held at Highlands United Methodist Church. I'm not shocked, not at all. Considering how liberal some churches are in Omaha.


Title: Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy
Post by: Shammu on November 22, 2007, 10:09:21 PM
Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy

Thursday , November 22, 2007
By Robert Shaffer

FC1
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Seattle public schools want a side of political correctness served on your Thanksgiving table.

Washington state's largest school district sent letters to teachers and other employees suggesting Thanksgiving should be "a time of mourning" for its Native American students.

The memo, from Caprice Hollins, the district's director of Equity, Race & Learning Support, included an attachment to a paper titled "Deconstructing the Myths of 'The First Thanksgiving.'"

Click here to read the "myths." (http://www.oyate.org/resources/shortthanks.html)

It includes 11 "myths" disputing everything from what was served at the first Thanksgiving (no mashed potatoes or cranberries) and who provided the food to the nature of the Pilgrims themselves: Myth No. 3 calls the colonists "rigid fundamentalists" who came to the New World "fully intending to take the land away from its native inhabitants."

But what got the Internet abuzz was Myth No. 11: "Thanksgiving is a happy time." It was followed by "Fact: For many Indian people, 'Thanksgiving' is a time of mourning ... a bitter reminder of 500 years of betrayal returned for friendship."

Hollins would not defend her letter, but David Tucker, a spokesman for the district, said it was an effort to be sensitive to minorities in Seattle schools.

"One of the core elements in education is not just understanding your own life history but also those of others," he said.

But one Seattle-area tribe says Thanksgiving is not somber on the reservation but a time to see friends and family, as it is for other Americans.

Native Americans in the Northwest celebrate the holiday with turkey and salmon, said Daryl Williams of the Tulalip Tribes. Before the period of bitter and violent relationships between natives and their culturally European counterparts, they worked together to survive, he said.

"The spirit of Thanksgiving, of people working together to help each other, is the spirit I think that needs to grow in this country, because this country has gotten very divisive," he said.

Nationally syndicated talk show host Michael Medved was more blunt.

"The notion that now you have a major school system sending out a message that, no, rather than expressing thanks we should emphasize guilt on this holiday — that is sick, it is destructive and it is anti-American."

Seattle Public Schools has been in the news before, not always for the performance of its students.

The U.S. Department of Education investigated in April after the district spent part of a federal Smaller Learning Communities grant to send 20 students to the "Eighth Annual White Privilege Conference."

After complaints last year, the district removed from its Web site a definition of racism that claimed planning ahead and individualism were examples of cultural racism.

Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,312480,00.html)


Title: Re: Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy
Post by: Shammu on November 22, 2007, 10:12:47 PM
Quote
Seattle public schools want a side of political correctness served on your Thanksgiving table.

"The notion that now you have a major school system sending out a message that, no, rather than expressing thanks we should emphasize guilt on this holiday — that is sick, it is destructive and it is anti-American."

History revisionists and so-called "progressives" absolutely love this stuff, especially if it's a chance at cheap-shot "Blame America First".


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 23, 2007, 09:10:25 AM
Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy

"The spirit of Thanksgiving, of people working together to help each other, is the spirit I think that needs to grow in this country, because this country has gotten very divisive," he said.


Divisive....that's exactly what all this "Political Correctness" has caused.  Not unity and understanding which they say is the goal but division, hatred, prejudice etc and given a licence to any "perceived" smear even if it's not meant that way.
I am totally embarrassed for my own city.
I wonder if when this guy sat down yesterday with his family to dinner, if he even gave a single thought to Native Americans while he stuffed his face and laughed with his family.  Or did he invite a single Native family from one of our Reservations over to share it with them and, apologize over dinner for whatever notions of guilt he has been carrying?
What a schmuck.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 23, 2007, 09:17:07 AM
PS)  Maybe Caprice Hollins (I thought it was a guy in my last post) would like to hand over her job to a Native American since this guilt she has is eating her up so badly.  I'm sure she'd feel better about herself and be able to sleep better at night!

What an idiot.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 23, 2007, 09:27:16 AM
Seattle Schools' Thanksgiving 'Myths' Stir Controversy

: Myth No. 3 calls the colonists "rigid fundamentalists" who came to the New World "fully intending to take the land away from its native inhabitants."


Yes.  Those monters!  I am sure that is what those sea-sick, wobbly-legged, starving group of settlers had on their minds from the get go!
What a moron.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 23, 2007, 09:59:03 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/My%20Smilies/insertsarcasm.gif)

Let's change history to read the way that we want it to read. That way we can establish a false platform for our own political causes and we can insight minority groups to become more active and hate filled. Then maybe we can achieve our goals through them.

(End of sarcasm.)

This is just like the liberal, hate filled, anti-American group. Doing all they can to divide and to destroy what it means to be a Christian and an American.





Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 23, 2007, 10:45:44 AM
(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v311/randers/My%20Smilies/insertsarcasm.gif)

Let's change history to read the way that we want it to read. That way we can establish a false platform for our own political causes and we can insight minority groups to become more active and hate filled. Then maybe we can achieve our goals through them.

(End of sarcasm.)

This is just like the liberal, hate filled, anti-American group. Doing all they can to divide and to destroy what it means to be a Christian and an American.





I'm wondering how she ever graduated grammer school, let alone high school and college if she couldn't pass a single history class? 
One of my pet peeves is "blatant" stupidity and I seem to be surrounded by it these days.

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 23, 2007, 10:51:55 AM
One of the frustrations for me of working at Microsoft, was to be surrounded by highly educated people and not find a shred of common sense among them! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Starbat/stupid.gif)  It drove me absolutely wild!



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 23, 2007, 10:53:52 AM

One of my pet peeves is "blatant" stupidity and I seem to be surrounded by it these days.

Thank you.   ;) :D :D :D



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 23, 2007, 10:57:23 AM
One of the frustrations for me of working at Microsoft, was to be surrounded by highly educated people and not find a shred of common sense among them! (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v444/Starbat/stupid.gif)  It drove me absolutely wild!



Yes, some of the most "educated" are the ones so full of themselves that they loose contact with reality believing others that also tout self-intelligence. They are afraid of being called stupid by their colleagues and in the long run they show their ignorance.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 23, 2007, 11:24:15 AM
Thank you.   ;) :D :D :D



Present company excluded of course!

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 23, 2007, 11:43:47 AM
Present company excluded of course!

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 ;)  (http://img116.exs.cx/img116/1231/z7shysterical.gif)


Title: Pope, cardinals discuss ties with other Christians
Post by: Shammu on November 23, 2007, 01:52:41 PM
Pope, cardinals discuss ties with other Christians
Fri Nov 23, 2007 1:14pm EST

By Tom Heneghan, Religion Editor

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - Pope Benedict and his cardinals discussed Catholic relations with other Christians on Friday, highlighting efforts to work closely with the Orthodox and to meet the challenge of fast-growing Protestant churches.

The closed-door meeting, held on the eve of a ceremony to install 23 new cardinals, took place amid progress with the Orthodox -- who broke from Rome in 1054 -- but growing fragmentation in the Protestant and Anglican world.

The Roman Catholic Church, with 1.1 billion of the world's 2 billion Christians, seeks better ties with other Churches partly to strengthen the Christian message in the world.

A statement on the meeting said the cardinals also spoke briefly about ties with Jews and Muslims but gave no details. Islam is a pressing issue after 138 Muslim scholars called for a broad Christian-Muslim dialogue last month.

"We made good progress with the Orthodox in Ravenna," said Cardinal Walter Kasper, head of the department for Christian unity, referring to a Catholic-Orthodox meeting last month that agreed the Pope was the leading prelate of Christianity.

The Russian Orthodox Church, with more than half the world's 220 million Orthodox, quit that meeting in protest against the presence of an Estonian Orthodox Church aligned to the Orthodox Ecumenical Patriarch of Constantinople, today's Istanbul.

"We are working now in Constantinople and Moscow that they find a solution or a compromise. It's a political question, not a theological one," Kasper told journalists.

The Russian Orthodox Church, which has become more active on the ecumenical scene since the fall of communism, chafes under the tradition that gives pride of place to Ecumenical Patriarch Bartholomos, despite the fact his local church is tiny.

Kasper said a historic meeting between Pope Benedict and the Alexiy, the Russian Orthodox Patriarch, would be very helpful to improve relations but did not say when or where it might take place.

ANGLICAN SITUATION "VERY COMPLICATED"

Kasper said talks with the Orthodox could not restore the hierarchy of the ancient church, which gave second place to Constantinople, but that the Orthodox agreed last month for the first time that the Pope still held first place.

"This can only be the Bishop of Rome," he said, using one of Benedict's titles. "There is no other candidate."

On relations with Anglicans, Kasper said the 77-million member Anglican Communion was in "a very difficult situation" with the challenges by traditionalists -- many from the Third World -- against liberal bishops in western countries.

The Anglican Communion is in internal crisis over the ordination of women and openly homosexual bishops.

"We hope they make a decision very soon. They cannot postpone all this crisis. There must be a decision made. But it is not in our hands."

Relations with Protestant Churches were getting more difficult because of "an inner fragmentation" among them, Kasper said. "Some of them have turned to liberal (positions) and there are now new ethical problems dividing them," he said.

He said that evangelical churches were spreading quickly and noted there were now 400 million Pentecostals around the world.

These two conservative Christian movements have been spreading especially rapidly in Latin America, often wooing away the faithful from the Catholic Church there.

"We must not ask first what is wrong with the Pentecostals but ask what is wrong with our pastoral work and come to a spiritual renewal," he said.

Pope, cardinals discuss ties with other Christians (http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USL2331851520071123)


Title: "Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ
Post by: Shammu on November 23, 2007, 01:57:57 PM
"Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ
By Warren Smith

November 2007

Oprah Winfrey will be letting out all the stops on her XM Satellite Radio program this coming year. Beginning January 1, 2008, “Oprah & Friends” will offer a year-long course on the New Age teachings of  A Course in Miracles.1  A lesson a day throughout the year will completely cover the 365 lessons from the Course in Miracles  “Workbook.” For example, Lesson #29 asks you to go through your day affirming that “God is in everything I see.”2  Lesson #61 tells each person to repeat the affirmation “I am the light of the world.”3  Lesson #70 teaches the student to say and believe “My salvation comes from me.”4

By the end of the year, “Oprah & Friends” listeners will have completed all of the lessons laid out in the Course in Miracles Workbook. Those who finish the Course will have a wholly redefined spiritual mindset—a New Age worldview that includes the belief that there is no sin, no evil, no devil, and that God is “in” everyone and everything. A Course in Miracles teaches its students to rethink everything they believe about God and life. The Course Workbook bluntly states: “This is a course in mind training”5 and is dedicated to “thought reversal.”6

Teaching A Course in Miracles will be Oprah’s longtime friend and special XM Satellite Radio reporter Marianne Williamson—who also happens to be one of today’s premier New Age leaders. She and Conversations with God author Neale Donald Walsch co-founded the American Renaissance Alliance in 1997, that later became the Global Renaissance Alliance of New Age leaders, that changed its name again in 2005 to the Peace Alliance. This Peace Alliance seeks to usher in an era of global peace founded on the principles of a New Age/New Spirituality that they are now referring to as a “civil rights movement for the soul.”7 They all agree that the principles of this New Age/New Spirituality are clearly articulated in A Course in Miracles—which is fast becoming the New Age Bible. So what is A Course in Miracles and what does it teach?

A Course in Miracles is allegedly “new revelation” from “Jesus” to help humanity work through these troubled times. This “Jesus”—who bears no doctrinal resemblance to the Bible’s Jesus Christ—began delivering his channeled teachings in 1965 to a Columbia University Professor of Medical Psychology by the name of Helen Schucman.

One day Schucman heard an “inner voice” stating, “This is a course in miracles. Please take notes.”8 For seven years she diligently took spiritual dictation from this inner voice that described himself as “Jesus.” A Course in Miracles was quietly published in 1975 by the Foundation for Inner Peace. For many years “the Course” was an underground cult classic for New Age seekers who studied “the Course” individually, with friends, or in small study groups.

As a former New Age follower and devoted student of A Course in Miracles, I eventually discovered that the Course in Miracles was—in reality—the truth of the Bible turned upside down. Not having a true understanding of the Bible at the time of my involvement, I was led to believe that A Course in Miracles was “a gift from God” to help everyone understand the “real” meaning of the Bible and to help bring peace to the world. Little did I know that the New Age “Christ” and the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles were everything the real Jesus Christ warned us to watch out for. In Matthew 24 Jesus warned about false teachers, false teachings and the false “Christs” who would pretend to be Him.

When I left the New Age “Christ” to follow the Bible’s Jesus Christ, I had come to understand that the “Jesus” of A Course in Miracles was a false “Christ,” and that his Course in Miracles was dangerously deceptive. Here are some quotes from the “Jesus” of A Course in Miracles:

    *  “There is no sin. . . " 9
    *  A “slain Christ has no meaning.”10
    * “The journey to the cross should be the last ‘useless journey.”11
    * “Do not make the pathetic error of ‘clinging to the old rugged cross.’”12
    * “The Name of Jesus Christ as such is but a symbol... It is a symbol that is safely used as a replacement for the many names of all the gods to which you pray.”13
    * “God is in everything I see.”14
    * “The recognition of God is the recognition of yourself.”15
    * “The oneness of the Creator and the creation is your wholeness, your sanity and your limitless power.”16
    * “The Atonement is the final lesson he [man] need learn, for it teaches him that, never having sinned, he has no need of salvation.”17

Most Christians recognize that these teachings are the opposite of what the Bible teaches. In the Bible, Jesus Christ’s atoning death on the cross of Calvary was hardly a “useless journey.” His triumph on the cross provides salvation to all those who confess their sin, accept Him and follow Him as their Lord and Saviour. His victory on the cross rings throughout the New Testament. It has been gloriously sung about in beloved hymns through the ages and is at the heart of our Christian testimony.

I found the Jesus of the Bible to be wholly believable as He taught God’s truth and warned about the spiritual deception that would come in His name. The “Jesus” of A Course in Miracles reveals himself to be an imposter when he blasphemes the true Jesus Christ by saying that a “slain Christ has no meaning” and that we are all “God” and that we are all “Christ.” It was by reading the Bible’s true teachings of Jesus Christ that I came to understand how deceived I had been by A Course in Miracles and my other New Age teachings.

I was introduced to A Course in Miracles by Dr. Gerald Jampolsky’s book Love is Letting Go of Fear. Jampolsky declared in his easy-to-read book how the teachings of A Course in Miracles had changed his life. As an ambassador for A Course in Miracles over the years, Jampolsky has been featured not only in New Age circles but at least twice on Robert Schuller’s Hour of Power. While Schuller introduced Jampolsky and his “fabulous”18 Course in Miracles-based books to his worldwide television audience, it was Marianne Williamson’s appearance on a 1992 Oprah Winfrey Show that really shook the rafters.

On that program, Oprah enthusiastically endorsed Williamson’s book, A Return to Love: Reflections on the Principles of A Course in Miracles. Oprah told her television audience that Williamson’s book about A Course in Miracles was one of her favorite books, and that she had already bought a thousand copies and would be handing them out to everyone in her studio audience. Oprah’s endorsement skyrocketed Williamson’s book about A Course in Miracles to the top of the New York Times bestseller list. Ironically, all of this was happening after I had left the Course and the New Age. In fact, I was doing the final editing on my book The Light That Was Dark that warned about the dangers of the New Age—and in particular A Course in Miracles.

cont'd next post


Title: Re: "Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ
Post by: Shammu on November 23, 2007, 01:58:27 PM
After being introduced to the world on Oprah, Marianne Williamson has continued to grow in popularity and, as previously mentioned, has become one of today’s foremost New Age leaders. Williamson credits Winfrey for bringing her book about A Course in Miracles before the world: “For that, my deepest thanks to Oprah Winfrey. Her enthusiasm and generosity have given the book, and me, an audience we would never otherwise have had.”19 In her 2004 book, The Gift of Change, Williamson wrote:

    “Twenty years ago, I saw the guidance of the Course as key to changing one’s personal life; today, I see its guidance as key to changing the world. More than anything else, I see how deeply the two are connected.”20

Thus the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles are about to be taught by Marianne Williamson to millions of listeners on Oprah’s XM Satellite Radio program. Listeners are encouraged to buy A Course in Miracles for the year-long course. An audio version of A Course in Miracles recited by Richard (John Boy Walton) Thomas is also available on compact disc.

Popular author Wayne Dyer told his PBS television audience that the “brilliant writing” of A Course in Miracles would produce more peace in the world.21 Williamson’s New Age colleague, Neale Donald Walsch, said his “God” stated that “the era of the Single Saviour is over”22 and that he (“God”) was responsible for authoring the teachings of A Course in Miracles.23

Meanwhile, Gerald Jampolsky’s Course in Miracles-based book, Forgiveness, continues to be sold in Robert Schuller’s Crystal Cathedral bookstore as Schuller prepares to host a January 17-19, 2008, “Rethink Conference” at his Crystal Cathedral.24

At this critical time in the history of the world, the New Gospel/New Spirituality is coming right at the world and the church with its New Age teachings and its New Age Peace Plan. But this New Age Peace Plan has at its deceptive core the bottom-line teaching from A Course in Miracles that “we are all one” because God is “in” everyone and everything. But the Bible is clear that we are not God (Ezekiel 28:2; Hosea 11:9). And per Galatians 3:26-28, our only oneness is in Jesus Christ—not in ourselves as “God” and “Christ.” What Oprah and Marianne Williamson and the world will learn one day is that humanity’s only real and lasting peace is with the true Jesus Christ who is described and quoted in the Holy Bible (Romans 5:1).

Oprah Winfrey’s misplaced faith in Marianne Williamson and the New Age teachings of A Course in Miracles is a sure sign of the times. But an even surer sign of the times is that most Christians are not taking heed to what is happening in the world and in the church. We are not contending for the faith as the Bible admonishes us to do (Jude 3).

It is time for all of our Purpose-Driven and Emerging church pastors to address the real issue of the day. Our true Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ is being reinvented, redefined, and blasphemed right in front of our eyes and hardly anyone seems to notice or care. If we want the world to know who Jesus Christ is, we need to also warn them about who He is not. There is a false New Age “Christ” making huge inroads into the world and into the church. The Apostle Paul said that “it is a shame” we have to even talk about these things, but talk about them we must (Ephesians 5:12-16).

If people want to follow Oprah Winfrey and the New Age “Christ” of A Course in Miracles they certainly have that right. But let them be warned that the New Age “Christ” they are following is not the same Jesus Christ who is so clearly and authoritatively presented in the pages of the Bible.

notes:
1. http://marianne.com/book/index/htm
2. A Course in Miracles: Combined Volume (Glen Ellen, California: Foundation for Inner Peace, 1975), (Workbook), p. 45.
3. Ibid., p. 102.
4. Ibid., p. 119.
5. Ibid., (Text), p. 16.
6. Ibid., (Preface), p. ix.
7. Neale Donald Walsch, Tomorrow’s God: Our Greatest Spiritual Challenge (New York: Atria Books, Simon & Schuster, 2004), pp. 262-263.
8. Robert Skutch, Journey Without Distance: The Story behind “A Course in Miracles” (Berkeley, California: Celestial Arts, 1984), p. 54.
9. A Course in Miracles: Combined Volume, (Workbook), p. 183.
10. Ibid., (Text), p. 425.
11. Ibid., p. 52.
12. Ibid.
13. Ibid., (Teachers Manual), p. 58.
14. Ibid., (Workbook), p. 45.
15. Ibid., (Text), p. 147.
16. Ibid., p. 125.
17. Ibid., p. 237.
18. http://www.hourofpower.org/interviews/interviews_detail.cfm?ArticleID=3079
19. Marianne Williamson, A Return to Love: Reflections on the Principles A Course in Miracles (New York: Harper Perennial, 1996), p. ix.
20. Marianne Williamson, The Gift Of Change: Spiritual Guidance for a Radically New Life (San Francisco: HarperSanFrancisco, 2004), p. 5.
21. Wayne Dyer, “There’s a Spiritual Solution to Every Problem,” Public Broadcasting System broadcast in 2001.
22. Neale Donald Walsch, The New Revelations: A Conversation with God (New York: Atria Books, 2002), p. 157.
23. Neale Donald Walsch, Conversations with God: an uncommon dialogue, Book 1 (New York: G.P. Putnam’s Sons, 1996), p. 90.
24. http://www.rethinkconference.com (See also WorldNetDaily.com 10/30/07 “What is Robert Schuller ‘rethinking’?” by Joseph Farah and “Rethinking Robert Schuller” by Warren Smith. See also Herescope: "Rethinking Culture" and "Rethinking and Reinventing" (10/30/07)

"Oprah and Friends" to teach course on New Age Christ (http://www.crossroad.to/articles2/007/smith-oprah.htm)


Title: Dawkins Accuses Christians of Spiritual Abuse
Post by: Shammu on November 23, 2007, 02:13:06 PM
Dawkins Accuses Christians of Spiritual Abuse German Bishop Challenges Atheist’s Views of Old Testament
 
By Wolfgang Polzer
 
MAINZ (ANS) -- Professor Richard Dawkins, one of the world’s best-known
atheists and evolutionists, has accused Christians of committing spiritual abuse, if they teach their children the existence of hell.
 
Dawkins, author of the bestseller “The God Delusion”, took part in a television debate on the German channel ZDF, November 15. His opponents were the leader of the main line Protestant Churches in Germany, Bishop Wolfgang Huber, and the Roman Catholic auxiliary Bishop Hans-Jochen Jaschke.
 
Dawkins said both Protestant and Catholic clergy in America threatened children with hell’s torment, if they do not believe. Dawkins also criticized modern theology for selecting more or less arbitrarily which bible passages were acceptable. He described the God of the Old Testament as a malicious and cruel figure.
 
Bishop Huber rejected these allegations and called them an expression of anti-Judaism. God’s history with Israel was one of liberation from slavery, he said. In this context the Ten Commandments were given to Israel.
 
The Christian faith manifests itself in love, said Huber, even the love of one’s enemy. Such a love could not be explained without God. The Bishop conceded that there are controversial views of hell. But it was also inappropriate to speak of a “cute God”. Everyone is accountable to God, Huber said.
 
He accused Dawkins of presenting a “very fundamentalist atheism”. The aggressive tone of his arguments could be a result of the fact that today’s intellectuals do not automatically embrace atheist positions any longer.
 
According to Jaschke hell has not played a prominent role in the churches during the last 50 years. Religious education concentrated on teaching trust and confidence. A child was assured of being accepted by a loving God.
 
Jaschke emphasized that the key to biblical understanding is Jesus Christ. “Never believe for one moment that all evil will cease, once you have got rid of religion,” Jaschke warned Dawkins.

Dawkins Accuses Christians of Spiritual Abuse German Bishop Challenges Atheist’s Views of Old Testament (http://www.christiannewstoday.com/christian_News_Report_116.html)


Title: Re: Dawkins Accuses Christians of Spiritual Abuse
Post by: Shammu on November 23, 2007, 02:16:25 PM
So what's Dawkins really afraid of??

Just like so many today, he's afraid of being held accountable for his sins. Sorry But, but we're all going to be held accountable.

Isaiah 45:23 I have sworn by Myself, the word is gone out of My mouth in righteousness and shall not return, that unto Me every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear [allegiance].

Romans 14:11 For it is written, As I live, says the Lord, every knee shall bow to Me, and every tongue shall confess to God [acknowledge Him to His honor and to His praise].


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on November 24, 2007, 07:58:23 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

It makes me sad to know that so many are being deceived with false teaching and false prophets. It's especially sad to see famous people with plenty of money competing with the TRUTH. The REAL GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are in the Holy Bible.

It's very cruel to make people feel good about living in darkness and sin, and it's especially cruel to withhold the TRUTH of GOD'S ONLY Plan of Salvation. GOD has not changed and HIS WORD will endure forever. The false gods being spoken of have no power to do anything except to speed someone's trip to Hell. GOD, Heaven, and Good are absolute reality, just as satan, hell, and evil are absolute reality as an opposite.

If these are the end days of this Age of Grace, the Bible tells us that there will be more and more false teachers and false prophets. Great hosts will be deceived. Christians should not become discouraged - just the opposite. We should be more determined than ever to give the REAL GOSPEL in any way that GOD provides for us. What we need to be worried about is getting the TRUTH of GOD'S WORD out to the lost. GOD has already promised that HE will use it, and it won't return void. The Bible also tells us that those who give out false gospels will be accursed, and I have no doubt that GOD will deal with them harshly. We can and should also warn people about false teaching, false gods, and false prophets. If Christians yield to GOD for HIS use, GOD will handle the rest.


Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 24, 2007, 10:06:33 AM
If these are the end days of this Age of Grace, the Bible tells us that there will be more and more false teachers and false prophets. Great hosts will be deceived. Christians should not become discouraged - just the opposite. We should be more determined than ever to give the REAL GOSPEL in any way that GOD provides for us. What we need to be worried about is getting the TRUTH of GOD'S WORD out to the lost. GOD has already promised that HE will use it, and it won't return void. The Bible also tells us that those who give out false gospels will be accursed, and I have no doubt that GOD will deal with them harshly. We can and should also warn people about false teaching, false gods, and false prophets. If Christians yield to GOD for HIS use, GOD will handle the rest.[/b]

Love In Christ,
Tom

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Thank you for those words of encouragement Brother Tom.  I have just read some of thread for the first time this morning and my head is spinning.  I am having such a hard time knowing what to pray these days.  All I can come up with is "Your Will Be Done Lord".  Things are moving so incredably fast and I'm having a hard time keeping up.  I am so looking forward to my new job so that I can share the real TRUTH and be able to help in anyway God sees fit for me to do so.  And yet it seems so little.  I just want to shake the world and say, "Wake up!  Snap out of it!"
It is so beyond me how folks can fall for these lies and yet they are falling all around us!  It seems that since I was a child, I have always been able to just know what was Truth and what wasn't.  I could FEEL it.  Whether is was in speech, movies, books, whatever.  I just have always KNOWN.  I can walk into a shop up on Capitol Hill or Pike Place Market or Pioneer Square and my spirit just senses the evil in it if it's there.  In which case I turn around and walk out without looking at their goods.
I know the Bible says that hearts will be hardened and eyes blinded.....but as for me....I just don't get how people can be fooled.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 24, 2007, 10:42:22 AM
I can fully understand how you feel Yvette. It is difficult to understand. I have thought about this many times. The only thing that I have been able to comprehend is that it is because they want to be fooled and it has to do with accountability as Brother Bob said. They don't want to be accountable to anyone except for themselves. They do not want to have to answer to a higher power. They consider that they are the god over their lives. In doing so they don't have to feel guilty about the things they may do. They do not see that it doesn't work that way and that in fact they are very miserable and will be even more so later on.

As Brother Tom said that is so worthwhile repeating

Quote
The REAL GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT are in the Holy Bible.

It's very cruel to make people feel good about living in darkness and sin, and it's especially cruel to withhold the TRUTH of GOD'S ONLY Plan of Salvation. GOD has not changed and HIS WORD will endure forever. The false gods being spoken of have no power to do anything except to speed someone's trip to Hell. GOD, Heaven, and Good are absolute reality, just as satan, hell, and evil are absolute reality as an opposite.

If these are the end days of this Age of Grace, the Bible tells us that there will be more and more false teachers and false prophets. Great hosts will be deceived. Christians should not become discouraged - just the opposite. We should be more determined than ever to give the REAL GOSPEL in any way that GOD provides for us. What we need to be worried about is getting the TRUTH of GOD'S WORD out to the lost. GOD has already promised that HE will use it, and it won't return void. The Bible also tells us that those who give out false gospels will be accursed, and I have no doubt that GOD will deal with them harshly. We can and should also warn people about false teaching, false gods, and false prophets. If Christians yield to GOD for HIS use, GOD will handle the rest.



Title: Tony Blair: Mention God and you're a 'nutter'
Post by: Shammu on November 26, 2007, 04:52:21 PM
Tony Blair: Mention God and you're a 'nutter'

By Jonathan Wynne-Jones and Patrick Hennessy
Last Updated: 1:44am GMT 26/11/2007

Tony Blair has sparked controversy by claiming that people who speak about their religious faith can be viewed by society as "nutters".

The former prime minister's comments came as he admitted for the first time that his faith was "hugely important" in influencing his decisions during his decade in power at Number 10, including going to war with Iraq in 2003.

Mr Blair complained that he had been unable to follow the example of US politicians, such as President George W. Bush, in being open about his faith because people in Britain regarded religion with suspicion.

"It's difficult if you talk about religious faith in our political system," Mr Blair said. "If you are in the American political system or others then you can talk about religious faith and people say 'yes, that's fair enough' and it is something they respond to quite naturally.

"You talk about it in our system and, frankly, people do think you're a nutter. I mean … you may go off and sit in the corner and … commune with the man upstairs and then come back and say 'right, I've been told the answer and that's it'."

Even Alastair Campbell - his former communications director who once said, "We don't do God" - has conceded that Mr Blair's Christian faith played a central role in shaping "what he felt was important".

Peter Mandelson, one of Mr Blair's confidants, claimed that the former premier "takes a Bible with him wherever he goes" and habitually reads it last thing at night.

His comments, which will be broadcast next Sunday in a BBC1 television documentary, The Blair Years, have been welcomed by leading Church figures, who fear that the rise of secularism is pushing religion to the margins of society.

The Archbishop of York, the Most Rev John Sentamu, said: "Mr Blair's comments highlight the need for greater recognition to be given to the role faith has played in shaping our country. Those secularists who would dismiss faith as nothing more than a private affair are profoundly mistaken in their understanding of faith."

However, Mr Blair, who is now a Middle East peace envoy, has been attacked by commentators who say that religion should be separated from politics and by those who feel that many of his decisions betrayed the Christian community.

In the interview, Mr Blair, who was highly reluctant ever to discuss his faith during his time in office, admitted: "If I am honest about it, of course it was hugely important. You know you can't have a religious faith and it be an insignificant aspect because it's profound about you and about you as a human being.

"There is no point in me denying it. I happen to have religious conviction. I don't actually think there is anything wrong in having religious conviction - on the contrary, I think it is a strength for people."

Mr Blair is a regular churchgoer who was confirmed as an Anglican while at Oxford University, but has since attended Mass with his Roman Catholic wife, Cherie, and is expected to convert within the next few months.

He continued: "To do the prime minister's job properly you need to be able to separate yourself from the magnitude of the consequences of the decisions you are taking the whole time. Which doesn't mean to say … that you're insensitive to the magnitude of those consequences or that you don't feel them deeply.

"If you don't have that strength it's difficult to do the job, which is why the job is as much about character and temperament as it is about anything else. But for me having faith was an important part of being able to do that… Ultimately I think you've got to do what you think is right."

Mr Blair's opponents say his religious zeal blinded him to the consequences of his actions, and point to his belief that his decision to go to war would be judged by God.

The Rt Rev Kieran Conry, the Roman Catholic Bishop of Arundel and Brighton, said last night that Mr Blair's comments echoed the feelings of religious leaders.

Mr Campbell, in the same TV programme as Mr Blair, said the British public were "a bit wary of politicians who go on about God".

Tony Blair: Mention God and you're a 'nutter' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/11/25/nblair125.xml)


Title: Woman Aborts Child To Help 'Save' the Planet
Post by: Shammu on November 26, 2007, 10:07:34 PM
Woman Aborts Child To Help 'Save' the Planet

Sunday , November 25, 2007

A British woman who had an abortion 10 years ago and was later sterilized did so because she believes pregnancy is bad for the environment, the London Daily Mail reported Sunday.

Toni Vernelli, 35, hopes her actions would ensure her carbon footprint would be kept to a minimum, the Mail reported. The environmental advocate also sees having children as an egotistical act.

"Having children is selfish. It's all about maintaining your genetic line at the expense of the planet," Vernelli told the Mail, adding she believes bringing new life into the world only adds to the problem.

Another woman, 31-year-old Sara Irving, also underwent sterilization because she felt "a baby would pollute the planet."

Irving became an environmentalist as a teenager when she realized saving the environment was her top and foremost priority in life, the Mail reported. After going through several boyfriends she finally found her now husband Mark Hudson who shares in her ‘no kid’s policy.’

Woman Aborts Child To Help 'Save' the Planet (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,312779,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 26, 2007, 10:29:01 PM
The woman Folly is loud;
she is undisciplined and without knowledge.

Proverbs 9:13


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 26, 2007, 11:22:10 PM
Amen sister and the rest of that chapter is also fitting with this case.

Pro 9:14  For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,
Pro 9:15  To call passengers who go right on their ways:
Pro 9:16  Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: and as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,
Pro 9:17  Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.
Pro 9:18  But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on November 26, 2007, 11:28:52 PM
Amen sister and the rest of that chapter is also fitting with this case.

Pro 9:14  For she sitteth at the door of her house, on a seat in the high places of the city,
Pro 9:15  To call passengers who go right on their ways:
Pro 9:16  Whoso is simple, let him turn in hither: and as for him that wanteth understanding, she saith to him,
Pro 9:17  Stolen waters are sweet, and bread eaten in secret is pleasant.
Pro 9:18  But he knoweth not that the dead are there; and that her guests are in the depths of hell.

And that last verse is known as: "Fair Warning"!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 26, 2007, 11:39:13 PM
Yep.



Title: 82 police officers hurt in Paris riots
Post by: Shammu on November 27, 2007, 03:29:28 PM
Gunfire a new element in Paris rioting

By NICOLAS GARRIGA, Associated Press Writer 12 minutes ago

VILLIERS-LE-BEL, France - Police reinforcements streamed into the tough suburbs north of Paris on Tuesday after a second night of rioting by bands of youths who have burned cars and buildings and — in an ominous turn — shot at officers.

A senior police union official warned that "urban guerrillas" had joined the unrest, saying the violence was worse than during three weeks of rioting that raged around French cities in 2005, when firearms were rarely used. More than 80 officers were reported injured overnight.

The violence presented new President Nicolas Sarkozy with a stern test. And it showed that anger still smolders in France's poor neighborhoods, where many Arabs, blacks and other minorities live largely isolated from the rest of society.

The trigger was the deaths Sunday of two minority teens when their motorscooter collided with a police car in Villiers-le-Bel, a blue-collar town on Paris' northern edge.

Residents claimed the officers left the scene without helping the teenage boys. Authorities cast doubt on the claim, but said they were investigating.

Rioting and arson erupted Sunday night, with youths attacking a police station. The violence worsened Monday night as it spread from Villiers-le-Bel to other impoverished suburbs north of the French capital. Rioters burned a library, a nursery school and a car dealership and tried to set some buildings on fire by crashing burning cars into them.

More police moved in Tuesday trying to prevent a third night of rioting, as officials sought to keep the upheaval from spreading to other impoverished areas as happened two years ago.

Patrice Ribeiro of the Synergie police union said rioters this time included "genuine urban guerrillas," saying the use of firearms — hunting shotguns so far — had added a dangerous dimension.

Police said 82 officers were injured Monday night, 10 of them by buckshot and pellets. Four were seriously wounded, the force said. Police unions said 30 officers were struck by buckshot.

One rioter with a shotgun "was firing off two shots, reloading in a stairwell, coming back out — boom, boom — and firing again," said Gilles Wiart, No. 2 official in the SGP-FO police union.

Youths, many of them Arab and black children of immigrants, again appeared to be lashing out at police and other targets seen to represent a French establishment they feel has left them behind.

"I don't think it's an ethnic problem," Wiart said. "Most of all it is youths who reject all state authority. They attack firefighters, everything that represents the state."

Suspicion of the police runs high among people in the drab housing project where the two teenagers died in the crash. The boys were identified in French media only by their first names, Lakhami, 16, and Mouhsin, 15.

There have long been tensions between France's largely white police force and the ethnic minorities trapped in poor neighborhoods.

Despite decades of problems and heavy state investments to improve housing and create jobs, the depressed projects that ring Paris are a world apart from the tourist attractions of the capital. Police speak of no-go zones where they and firefighters fear to patrol.

"The problem of bad relations between the police and minorities is underestimated," said criminologist Sebastian Roche.

Sarkozy, speaking from China, appealed for calm and called a security meeting with his Cabinet ministers for Wednesday on his return home.

Sarkozy was interior minister, in charge of police, during the riots of 2005 and took a hard line against the violence. He angered many in housing projects when he called delinquents there "scum."

The rioting youths "want Sarkozy — they want him to come and explain" what happened to the two teenage boys, said Linda Beddar, a 40-year-old mother of three in Villiers-le-Bel. Beddar woke Tuesday to find the library across from her house a burned-out shell.

The violence two years ago also started in the suburbs of northern Paris, when two teens were electrocuted in a power substation while hiding from police. The government is keen to keep the new violence from spreading.

"We will not let go. We will fight with all the force the nation is capable of," Prime Minister Francois Fillon told firefighters in Villiers-le-Bel.

Fillon spoke with a firefighter who was shot by rioters and handled the bullet that was extracted from the man's arm.

In Villiers-le-Bel, arsonists set fire to the municipal library and burned books littered its floor Tuesday. Shops and businesses were also attacked, and more than 70 vehicles were torched, authorities said.

Rioters even rammed burning cars into buildings, trying to set the structures on fire, authorities said. Police reported six arrests.

Several hundred youths organized in small groups led the rioting in Villiers-le-Bel, and incidents were also reported in five other towns north of Paris, the regional government reported.

It refused to give specific figures on injuries among the police, rioters or other civilians, or the numbers of cars and buildings set on fire, saying it feared that doing so would encourage youths to try to wound more officers and destroy more property.

82 police officers hurt in Paris riots (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071127/ap_on_re_eu/france_violence;_ylt=AvO.k7jUPhwUZmaaZvFS8FhvaA8F)


Title: Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness
Post by: Shammu on November 27, 2007, 03:58:04 PM
Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness
26 November 2007

ABU DHABI—Peaceful relations between Muslims and Christians stand as one of the central challenges of this century, according to leading Christian leaders.

Responding to an open letter in October signed by 138 leading Muslim scholars, clerics, and intellectuals from around the world, the Christian leaders also asked the Muslim world for forgiveness “We want to begin by acknowledging that in the past (e.g. in the Crusades) and in the present (e.g. in excesses of the “war on terror”) many Christians have been guilty of sinning against our Muslim neighbours. Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world”, they said in the letter which was made available to the press here yesterday.

Following is the full text of the letter:

As members of the worldwide Christian community, we were deeply encouraged and challenged by the recent historic open letter signed by 138 leading Muslim scholars, clerics, and intellectuals from around the world. A Common Word Between Us and You identifies some core common ground between Christianity and Islam which lies at the heart of our respective faiths as well as at the heart of the most ancient Abrahamic faith, Judaism. Jesus Christ’s call to love God and neighbour was rooted in the divine revelation to the people of Israel embodied in the Torah (Deuteronomy 6:5; Leviticus 19:18). We receive the open letter as a Muslim hand of conviviality and cooperation extended to Christians worldwide. In this response we extend our own Christian hand in return, so that together with all other human beings we may live in peace and justice as we seek to love God and our neighbours.

Muslims and Christians have not always shaken hands in friendship; their relations have sometimes been tense, even characterized by outright hostility. Since Jesus Christ says, “First take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your neighbour’s eye” (Matthew 7:5), we want to begin by acknowledging that in the past (e.g. in the Crusades) and in the present (e.g. in excesses of the “war on terror”) many Christians have been guilty of sinning against our Muslim neighbours. Before we “shake your hand” in responding to your letter, we ask forgiveness of the All-Merciful One and of the Muslim community around the world.

Religious Peace-World Peace “Muslims and Christians together make up well over half of the world’s population. Without peace and justice between these two religious communities, there can be no meaningful peace in the world.” We share the sentiment of the Muslim signatories expressed in these opening lines of their open letter. Peaceful relations between Muslims and Christians stand as one of the central challenges of this century, and perhaps of the whole present epoch. Though tensions, conflicts, and even wars in which Christians and Muslims stand against each other are not primarily religious in character, they possess an undeniable religious dimension. If we can achieve religious peace between these two religious communities, peace in the world will clearly be easier to attain. It is therefore no exaggeration to say, as you have in A Common Word Between Us and You, that “the future of the world depends on peace between Muslims and Christians.” Common Ground What is so extraordinary about A Common Word Between Us and You is not that its signatories recognize the critical character of the present moment in relations between Muslims and Christians. It is rather a deep insight and courage with which they have identified the common ground between the Muslim and Christian religious communities.

What is common between us lies not in something marginal nor in something merely important to each. It lies, rather, in something absolutely central to both: love of God and love of neighbour.

Surprisingly for many Christians, your letter considers the dual command of love to be the foundational principle not just of the Christian faith, but of Islam as well. That so much common ground exists-common ground in some of the fundamentals of faith-gives hope that undeniable differences and even the very real external pressures that bear down upon us can not overshadow the common ground upon which we stand together. That this common ground consists in love of God and of neighbour gives hope that deep cooperation between us can be a hallmark of the relations between our two communities.

Love of God We applaud that A Common Word Between Us and You stresses so insistently the unique devotion to one God, indeed the love of God, as the primary duty of every believer. God alone rightly commands our ultimate allegiance. When anyone or anything besides God commands our ultimate allegiance-a ruler, a nation, economic progress, or anything else-we end up serving idols and inevitably get mired in deep and deadly conflicts. We find it equally heartening that the God whom we should love above all things is described as being Love. In the Muslim tradition, God, “the Lord of the worlds,” is “The Infinitely Good and All-Merciful.” And the New Testament states clearly that “God is love” (1 John 4:8). Since God’s goodness is infinite and not bound by anything, God “makes his sun rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous,” according to the words of Jesus Christ recorded in the Gospel (Matthew 5:45). For Christians, humanity’s love of God and God’s love of humanity are intimately linked. As we read in the New Testament: “We love because he [God] first loved us” (1 John 4:19). Our love of God springs from and is nourished by God’s love for us. It cannot be otherwise, since the Creator who has power over all things is infinitely good. Love of Neighbour We find deep affinities with our own Christian faith when A Common Word Between Us and You insists that love is the pinnacle of our duties toward our neighbours. “None of you has faith until you love for your neighbour what you love for yourself,” the Prophet Muhammad said. In the New Testament we similarly read, “whoever does not love [the neighbour] does not know God” (1 John 4:8) and “whoever does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen” (1 John 4:20). God is love, and our highest calling as human beings is to imitate the One whom we worship. We applaud when you state that “justice and freedom of religion are a crucial part” of the love of neighbour. When justice is lacking, neither love of God nor love of the neighbour can be present. When freedom to worship God according to one’s conscience is curtailed, God is dishonoured, the neighbour oppressed, and neither God nor neighbour is loved. Since Muslims seek to love their Christian neighbours, they are not against them, the document encouragingly states. Instead, Muslims are with them. As Christians we resonate deeply with this sentiment. Our faith teaches that we must be with our neighbours-indeed, that we must act in their favor-even when our neighbours turn out to be our enemies. “But I say unto you,” says Jesus Christ, “Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, so that you may be children of your Father in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good” (Matthew 5:44-45). Our love, Jesus Christ says, must imitate the love of the infinitely good Creator; our love must be as unconditional as is God’s-extending to brothers, sisters, neighbours, and even enemies. At the end of his life, Jesus Christ himself prayed for his enemies: “Forgive them; for they do not know what they are doing” (Luke 23:34).

The Prophet Muhammad did similarly when he was violently rejected and stoned by the people of Ta’if. He is known to have said, “The most virtuous behaviour is to engage those who sever relations, to give to those who withhold from you, and to forgive those who wrong you.” (It is perhaps significant that after the Prophet Muhammad was driven out of Ta’if, it was the Christian slave ‘Addas who went out to Muhammad, brought him food, kissed him, and embraced him.) The Task Before Us “Let this common ground”-the dual common ground of love of God and of neighbour-“be the basis of all future interfaith dialogue between us,” your courageous letter urges. Indeed, in the generosity with which the letter is written you embody what you call for. We most heartily agree. Abandoning all “hatred and strife,” we must engage in interfaith dialogue as those who seek each other’s good, for the one God unceasingly seeks our good. Indeed, together with you we believe that we need to move beyond “a polite ecumenical dialogue between selected religious leaders” and work diligently together to reshape relations between our communities and our nations so that they genuinely reflect our common love for God and for one another. Given the deep fissures in the relations between Christians and Muslims today, the task before us is daunting. And the stakes are great. The future of the world depends on our ability as Christians and Muslims to live together in peace. If we fail to make every effort to make peace and come together in harmony you correctly remind us that “our eternal souls” are at stake as well.

cont'd next post!!


Title: Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness pt 2
Post by: Shammu on November 27, 2007, 03:59:51 PM
We are persuaded that our next step should be for our leaders at every level to meet together and begin the earnest work of determining how God would have us fulfill the requirement that we love God and one another. It is with humility and hope that we receive your generous letter, and we commit ourselves to labor together in heart, soul, mind and strength for the objectives you so appropriately propose.

*Harold W. Attridge, Dean and Lillian Claus Professor of New Testament, Yale Divinity School *Joseph Cumming, Director of the Reconciliation Program, Yale Center for Faith and Culture, Yale Divinity School *Emilie M. Townes, Andrew Mellon Professor of African American Religion and Theology, Yale Divinity School, and President-elect of the American Academy of Religion *Miroslav Volf, Founder and Director of the Yale Center for Faith and Culture, Henry B. Wright Professor of Theology, Yale Divinity School Martin Accad, Academic Dean, Arab Baptist Theological Seminary (Lebanon) Scott C. Alexander, Director, Catholic-Muslim Studies, Catholic Theological Union Roger Allen, Chair, Department of Near Eastern Languages and Civilizations, University of Pennsylvania Leith Anderson, President, National Association of Evangelicals Ray Bakke, Convening Chair, Evangelicals for Middle East Understanding Camillo Ballin, Bishop, Vicar Apostolic of Kuwait (Roman Catholic) Barry Beisner, Bishop, Episcopal Diocese of Northern California Federico Bertuzzi, President, PM Internacional, Latin America James A. Beverley, Tyndale Seminary, Canada Jonathan Bonk, Executive Director, Overseas Ministries Study Center Gerhard B?wering, Yale University Joseph Britton, Dean, Berkeley Divinity School at Yale John M. Buchanan, Editor/Publisher, The Christian Century Joe Goodwin Burnett, Bishop, Episcopal Diocese of Nebraska Samuel G. Candler, Dean, Cathedral of St. Philip, Atlanta Juan Carlos C?rdenas, Instituto Iberoamericano de Estudios Transculturales, Spain Joseph Castleberry, President, Northwest University Colin Chapman, Author David Yonggi Cho, Founder and Senior Pastor, Yoido Full Gospel Church, Seoul, Korea Richard Cizik, Vice President, National Association of Evangelicals Corneliu Constantineanu, Dean, Evangelical Theological Seminary, Croatia Robert E. Cooley, President Emeritus, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary Harvey Cox, Harvard Divinity School John D’Alton, President, Melbourne Institute for Orthodox Christian Studies, Australia Andr? Delbecq, University of Santa Clara Keith DeRose, Yale University Andr?s Alonso Duncan, CEO, Latinoamerica Global, A.C.

Diana L. Eck, Harvard University Bertil Ekstrom, Executive Director, Mission Commission, World Evangelical Alliance Mark U. Edwards, Jr., Senior Advisor to the Dean, Harvard Divinity School John Esposito, Director Prince Alwaleed Bin Talal Center for Muslim-Christian Understanding, Georgetown University David Ford, Regius Professor of Divinity, Cambridge University Timothy George, Dean, Beeson Divinity School, Samford University Roberto S. Goizueta, Boston College Bruce Gordon, University of St. Andrews William A. Graham, Dean, Harvard Divinity School Lynn Green, International Chairman, YWAM Frank Griffel, Yale University Edwin F. Gulick, Jr., Bishop, Episcopal Diocese of Kentucky David P. Gushee, President, Evangelicals for Human Rights Kim B. Gustafson, President, Common Ground Elie Haddad, Provost, Arab Baptist Theological Seminary, Lebanon L. Ann Hallisey, Hallisey Consulting and Counseling Paul D. Hanson, Harvard Divinity School Heidi Hadsell, President, Hartford Seminary David Heim, Executive Editor, The Christian Century Norman A. Hjelm, National Council of the Churches of Christ in the USA, retired Carl R. Holladay, Candler School of Theology, Emory University Joseph Hough, President, Union Theological Seminary, NY Bill Hybels, Founder and Senior Pastor, Willow Creek Community Church Nabeel T. Jabbour, Consultant, Professor, Colorado Shannon Sherwood Johnston, Bishop Coadjutor, Episcopal Diocese of Virginia David Colin Jones, Bishop Suffragan, Episcopal Diocese of Virginia Stanton L. Jones, Provost, Wheaton College, IL Tony Jones, National Coordinator, Emergent Village Riad A. Kassis, Theologian, Author, Consultant Paul Knitter, Union Theological Seminary, NY Manfred W. Kohl, Vice President of Overseas Council International, USA James A. Kowalski, Dean, Cathedral of Saint John the Divine, NY Sharon Kugler, University Chaplain, Yale University Peter Kuzmic, President, Evangelical Theological Faculty Osijek, Croatia Peter J. Lee, Bishop, Episcopal Diocese of Virginia Linda LeSourd Lader, President, Renaissance Institute Tim Lewis, President, William Carey Int’l University John B.Lindner, Yale Divinity School Duane Litfin, President, Wheaton College Greg Livingstone, Founder, Frontiers Albert C. Lobe, Interim Executive Director, Mennonite Central Committee Rick Love, International Director, Frontiers Douglas Magnuson, Bethel University Peter Maiden, International Coordinator, OM Danut Manastireanu, World Vision International, Iasi, Romania Harold Masback, III, Senior Minister, The Congregational Church of New Canaan, New Canaan, CT Donald M. McCoid, Evangelical Lutheran Church in America C. Douglas McConnell, Dean, School of Intercultural Studies, Fuller Theological Seminary Don McCurry, President, Ministries to Muslims Brian D. McLaren, Author, Speaker, Activist Kathleen E. McVey, Princeton Theological Seminary Judith Mendelsohn Rood, Biola University Steve Moore, President and CEO, The Mission Exchange (formerly EFMA) Douglas Morgan, Director, Adventist Peace Fellowship Richard Mouw, President, Fuller Theological Seminary Salim J. Munayer, Academic Dean, Bethlehem Bible College, Jerusalem Rich Nathan, Senior Pastor, Vineyard Church of Columbus David Neff, Editor in Chief and Vice-President, Christianity Today Media Group Alexander Negrov, President, St. Petersburg Christian University, Russia Richard R. Osmer, Princeton Theological Seminary George E. Packard, Bishop Suffragan for Chaplaincies of the Episcopal Church Greg H. Parsons, General Director, U.S. Center for World Mission Doug Pennoyer, Dean, School of Intercultural Studies, Biola University Douglas Petersen, Vanguard University of Southern California Sally Promey, Yale Divinity School Thomas P. Rausch, S.J., Loyola Marymount University David A. Reed, Wycliffe College, University of Toronto Neil Rees, International Director, World Horizons Cecil M. Robeck, Jr., Fuller Theological Seminary Leonard Rogers, Executive Director, Evangelicals for Middle East Understanding William L. Sachs, Director, Center for Reconciliation and Mission, Richmond Lamin Sanneh, Yale Divinity School Andrew Saperstein, Yale Center for Faith and Culture Robert Schuller, Founder, Crystal Cathedral and Hour of Power Elizabeth Sch?ssler Fiorenza, Harvard Divinity School Francis Sch?ssler Fiorenza, Harvard Divinity School William Schweiker, University of Chicago Donald Senior, C.P., President, Catholic Theological Union, Chicago C. L. Seow, Princeton Theological Seminary Imad Nicola Shehadeh, President, Jordan Evangelical Theological Seminary David W. and K. Grace Shenk, Eastern Mennonite Missions Marguerite Shuster, Fuller Theological Seminary John G. Stackhouse, Jr., Regent College, Vancouver Glen Stassen, Fuller Theological Seminary Andrea Zaki Stephanous, Vice President, Protestant Church in Egypt Wilbur P. Stone, Bethel University, MN John Stott, Rector Emeritus, All Souls Church, London Frederick J. Streets, Yeshiva University William Taylor, Global Ambassador, World Evangelical Alliance John Thomas, President and General Minister, United Church of Christ Iain Torrance, President, Princeton Theological Seminary Michael W. Treneer, International President, The Navigators, CO Geoff Tunnicliffe, International Director, World Evangelical Alliance George Verwer, Founder and former International Director, OM Harold Vogelaar, Lutheran School of Theology at Chicago Berten A. Waggoner, National Director, Association of Vineyard Churches Jim Wallis, President, Sojourners Rick Warren, Founder and Senior Pastor, Saddleback Church, and The Purpose Driven Life, Lake Forest, CA J. Dudley Woodberry, Dean Emeritus, Fuller School of International Studies, Fuller Theological Seminary Christopher J.H. Wright, International Director, Langham Partnership, London Robert R. Wilson, Associate Dean for Academic Affairs, Yale Divinity School Nicholas Wolterstorff, University of Virginia Godfrey Yogarajah, General Secretary, Evangelical Fellowship in Asia Community Council of the Sisters of the Precious Blood, Dayton, OH.

Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness (http://www.khaleejtimes.com/DisplayArticleNew.asp?xfile=data/theuae/2007/November/theuae_November688.xml&section=theuae&col)


Title: Re: Christian leaders ask for Muslim forgiveness
Post by: Shammu on November 27, 2007, 04:12:01 PM
I'm sorry you're such a bunch of two bit losers, you ruthless, hypersensitive crybabies that scream jihad after every imagined offense. There, I apologized and I feel better! ::) ::)

The real facts are that the Christians didn't start the Crusades but were involved. How can they apologize for the Crusades when some other group was responsible for starting them. I am seeing more people in church and ministry leadership that either have never been to a seminary or they cut class the day alot of important things were covered.

Sounds like they just don't understand history at all. Islam doesn't want peace with the world, it wants to exert supremacy and eradicate all other belief systems by any means necessary to achieve that goal. The one world

The reasons the crusades were fought was to resist violent muslim expansion into Europe, to repel invaders that wanted to forcefully eradicate Christianity from the west. The reason the war in Iraq is being waged is because we just got sick of the terrorist attacks, most notably, 911 was the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.

Unfortunately, this generation has been brain washed into believing that war must be avoided at all costs and relinquishing the truth in favor of dummitude and eventual conversion to islam is an acceptable rout for them. If anyone needed proof of why Rick Warren is a false teacher, Rick supporting this is the proof.


Title: Cross-dressing day sparks school exodus
Post by: Shammu on November 28, 2007, 03:18:00 PM
Cross-dressing day sparks school exodus
Parents pull students from district, citing conflicts with biblical rules
Posted: November 28, 2007
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

A public school's "gender-bender" cross-dressing event, where boys were supposed to dress as girls and girls as boys, has prompted at least dozens, perhaps hundreds, of students to flee the tax-supported institutions in Iowa.

Many of the parents apparently are members of the Christ Apostolic Temple in Des Moines, which teaches a biblically based doctrine of rejecting the world's values.

"Christ Apostolic Temple Inc. Fellowship ... is a Bible-based organization that believes one must 'come out from among them and be ye separate.' (2 Cor. 6:14-17)," the organization's website says.

That apparently includes cross-dressing, an event which has found sponsorship in other arenas from the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, which has promoted a school lesson plan for teaching boys and girls to cross-dress.

State officials in Des Moines confirmed to WND that at least 80 children whose parents were alarmed by the "Gender-Bender Day" during homecoming week at the city's East High School have moved their children from the various districts in the area into homeschooling plans. Several parents told WND that the number could be in the hundreds.

One parent, writing on a blog shortly after the cross-dressing promotion, hardly could contain the outrage.

In bold red type, the parent wrote, "TUESDAY AT ONE OF OUR LOCAL HIGH SCHOOLS THEY HAD WHAT IS CALLED 'GENDER BENDER DAY!' IF YOU DO NOT KNOW WHAT THAT IS THEN LET ME EDUCATE YOU REAL QUICK … IT IS WHERE THE BOYS DRESS LIKE GIRLS AND VICE VERSA!!"

The author continued, "THIS WAS ALLOWED AND CARRIED OUT AT OUR SCHOOLS!!! … I IMMEDIATELY PULLED MY CHILD OUT OF THE DES MOINES PUBLIC SCHOOL! WE ARE NOW HOMESCHOOLING ALONG WITH SEVERAL HUNDRED OTHER PARENTS!"

"I AM GETTING MAD WHILE I TYPE THIS … SO I NEED TO SHUT IT DOWN…"


Barb Heki is a board member for the Network of Iowa Christian Home Educators, and was ecstatic about the parental response.

"I'm just praising God there is a church with so many families that would take a biblical stand and decide that we're not going to put our children under anti-Christian indoctrination any longer. That's refreshing and encouraging," she told WND.

A mother whose children were taken out of the public schools because of the cross-dressing promotion didn't want to be identified, but told WND she knows of probably 200 families who filled out state-required paperwork to withdraw their children from public schools.

"What it is is we're following the Bible," she told WND. "There was a situation that took place, which was the gender bender day. Our children were to participate in the cross-dressing. When they refused they were told they would get a bad grade..."

"The situation came out, and everybody was disgusted," she said. "Well, we're not doing it. All we did was pulled our kids out. Nothing more to be said or done."

Officials with Christ Apostolic Temple, which describes itself as an apostolic holiness fellowship, couldn't be reached for comment. But parents who talked to WND said it was a move of parents, nothing mandated or organized by the church.

An advertisement in the Des Moines newspaper said the event was part of the theme days for the school's homecoming events. "Tuesday, dress in clothing of the opposite sex for Gender Bender Day," were the instructions. Other days were "Movie Theme Day," and "Spirit Day."

Phil Roeder, a spokesman for the Des Moines schools, told WND that the event was nothing unusual.

"There were a couple of calls at the office at the school from parents that were concerned," he told WND. But he said the district itself had not seen any unusual activity regarding homeschooling.

"Let's just say the numbers you are hearing are greatly exaggerated," Roeder told WND. "Events like this at a high school are part of homecoming week activities and certainly are not mandated events. They're voluntary activities that the students put on.

"Now if the parents had any indication that their students were coerced or bullied then that's another matter. They've not brought that to my knowledge," he said.

State officials said the list of 80 students they had reviewed included students from virtually all grades and dozens of schools in several districts, making it unlikely a single district would have a large number of students affected.

East High recently was the chosen location when Iowa Lt. Gov. Patti Judge announced a new state award highlighting increased diversity in the state.

"The "One Iowa Award" recognizes those who are working to create a "unified Iowa."

Judge said making that a reality takes input from Iowans "regardless of their race, age, gender, nationality or sexual orientation." The announcement had been staged to include East High students talking about the importance of diversity.

State law in Iowa also provides parents a tax credit for some costs of students attending "accredited" schools, but does not allow homeschooling parents the same benefit.

State Education Department officials said they had provided information to the church members about their rights and responsibilities should they choose to start a private school, or pursue homeschooling options.

"Let us see what the word of God says about the matter…" wrote the parent blogger. "Deut. 22:5. The woman shall not wear that which pertaineth unto a man, neither shall a man put on a woman's garment: for all that do so are abomination unto the Lord thy God."

The Pacific Justice Institute reports that in a prior school year, a California school dealt with the same issue.

Officials at Adams Middle School in the Bay Area had announced a "gender switch" day.

"The mother of a seventh-grade student … was alarmed when she heard that on the last day of the school's 'Spirit Week,' students were being encouraged to dress like the opposite sex. Perhaps even more disturbingly, parents were given virtually no advance notice from the school and found out about the event after flyers were posted throughout the campus," PJI reported.

"The parent contacted Pacific Justice Institute on Monday, which advised her on enlisting other parents' support and communicating with the school. PJI also began laying the groundwork to hold the school accountable… In a 180-degree turnaround, the flyers posted about the gender switch day had disappeared by Tuesday morning, and the school confirmed the event had been canceled."

The principal, Adam Clark, had said he wanted to encourage students to be "free thinkers," but the "overall message wasn't coming across clear."

"We commend the parents in this school who said, 'Enough is enough' and challenged the administration to re-think its position," Brad Dacus, president of PJI, said at the time. "No student should be made to feel uncomfortable at school simply because he doesn't want to cross-dress."


Title: Re: Cross-dressing day sparks school exodus
Post by: Shammu on November 28, 2007, 03:30:54 PM
This has NO PLACE in public schools. If they paid more attention to your basic math, science, language arts etc, etc......

I would be pulling my kid too. Way to go, to those parents who pulled their children out of the schools. I hope it hurts the schools and give them a rude awakening.

If we look carefully through the Bible we will find that we are commanded to bring up our children and educate them.

Ephesians 4:14-15 So then, we may no longer be children, tossed [like ships] to and fro between chance gusts of teaching and wavering with every changing wind of doctrine, [the prey of] the cunning and cleverness of unscrupulous men, [gamblers engaged] in every shifting form of trickery in inventing errors to mislead. 15 Rather, let our lives lovingly [c]express truth [in all things, speaking truly, dealing truly, living truly]. Enfolded in love, let us grow up in every way and in all things into Him Who is the Head, [even] Christ (the Messiah, the Anointed One).

So as Christians are we failing when we allow the state to indoctrinate our children? Are we failing when don't get involved with politics since we have the right to be involved and allow politicians to create theses Laws and then pervert Romans 13 against us.

Romans 13:1-7 LET EVERY person be loyally subject to the governing (civil) authorities. For there is no authority except from God [by His permission, His sanction], and those that exist do so by God's appointment. 2 Therefore he who resists and sets himself up against the authorities resists what God has appointed and arranged [in divine order]. And those who resist will bring down judgment upon themselves [receiving the penalty due them]. 3 For civil authorities are not a terror to [people of] good conduct, but to [those of] bad behavior. Would you have no dread of him who is in authority? Then do what is right and you will receive his approval and commendation. 4 For he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, [you should dread him and] be afraid, for he does not bear and wear the sword for nothing. He is God's servant to execute His wrath (punishment, vengeance) on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore one must be subject, not only to avoid God's wrath and escape punishment, but also as a matter of principle and for the sake of conscience. 6 For this same reason you pay taxes, for [the civil authorities] are official servants under God, devoting themselves to attending to this very service. 7 Render to all men their dues. [Pay] taxes to whom taxes are due, revenue to whom revenue is due, respect to whom respect is due, and honor to whom honor is due.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on November 28, 2007, 04:57:07 PM
Hello Dreamweaver,

I understand that some Christians will have difficulties in "Rendering Unto Caesar", but we have many more instructions about our children that are quite specific. Our children don't belong to Caesar and they certainly don't belong to the devil.

Brother, I already know that you understand the Biblical issues dealing with government, but others might not. Many things should be considered, starting with our system where the people are in charge, and we elect representatives who are accountable to the people. The situation would require a more difficult Bible Study if we had a dictator or a king. Regardless, Christians would still have major concerns about not "sending our children through the fire" or giving our children up to the devil. At least we still have options in this current system that don't involve giving our children to the devil, and those options are lawful.

Instructions regarding our children are scattered in hundreds of places throughout the Holy Bible, but I only want to mention a few. I would suggest to all Christian parents that they know what their Biblical instructions are regarding their children. In fact, this should be a mandatory Bible Study for a Christian couple before they decide to have children.

Proverbs 22:1-6  A good name is to be more desired than great wealth, Favor is better than silver and gold. The rich and the poor have a common bond, The LORD is the maker of them all. The prudent sees the evil and hides himself, But the naive go on, and are punished for it. The reward of humility and the fear of the LORD Are riches, honor and life. Thorns and snares are in the way of the perverse; He who guards himself will be far from them. Train up a child in the way he should go, Even when he is old he will not depart from it.

(Past and future Israel should give us a hint.)

Jeremiah 32:38-42  "They shall be My people, and I will be their God; and I will give them one heart and one way, that they may fear Me always, for their own good and for the good of their children after them. "I will make an everlasting covenant with them that I will not turn away from them, to do them good; and I will put the fear of Me in their hearts so that they will not turn away from Me. "I will rejoice over them to do them good and will faithfully plant them in this land with all My heart and with all My soul. "For thus says the LORD, 'Just as I brought all this great disaster on this people, so I am going to bring on them all the good that I am promising them.

Matthew 7:13  "Enter through the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is broad that leads to destruction, and there are many who enter through it.

Brothers and Sisters, let's make this more simple. Are we of GOD or of the devil? Will our children be of GOD or of the devil? The consequences are ETERNAL, so these are matters of GREATEST importance. Our children belong to GOD, and they are given to us as gifts for nurturing while we live in this short life. Under what circumstances could we possibly give them over to the devil and know that their own Eternity was at stake? I couldn't do this and won't do this. It would be easy if I was of the devil, but I'm not. As a Christian, I don't know what would make this possible to bear other than my own death first.


Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on November 28, 2007, 06:46:25 PM
Quote
I hope it hurts the schools and give them a rude awakening.

Schools get much of their money according to how many students attend that school. A mass exodus from that school is what is required in order to make the school feel any result from it. It is my prayer that many parents will do just that. As Brothers Tom and Bob have said we are instructed to bring our children up in the ways of the Lord Jesus Christ not the ways of Satan. Parents will be held accountable for allowing this garbage and more to be taught to their children. Think about it. If your child is taught by these people and that child fails to come to Christ because of being allowed that teaching then who is responsible. Yes, a child when they become accountable is responsible for them selves, this is true. It is also true that if we fail that child because we did not at least try then we are also held accountable. Think on this also: If you love your child wouldn't you try to do all that you could to insure that they will go to heaven?



Title: Saudi Rape Victim Tells Her Story
Post by: Shammu on November 28, 2007, 10:49:43 PM
Saudi Rape Victim Tells Her Story
Victim to Receive Whipping and Jail for Being in Nonrelative's Car When Attacked
By LARA SETRAKIAN

Nov. 21, 2007 —

Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Justice is defending a sentence of 200 lashes for the victim of a gang rape, punished because she was in the car of a male who wasn't a relative when the two were attacked.

In exclusive testimony obtained by ABC News, the young woman told her story of what happened and how she was treated in the months that followed.

"Everyone looks at me as if I'm wrong. I couldn't even continue my studies. I wanted to die. I tried to commit suicide twice," she said of her experience just after the attack.

The woman, known anonymously in the Saudi press as "Qatif Girl" for the eastern province town where the crime took place, was originally sentenced to 90 lashes for being in a state of "khalwa" -- retreat with a male who's not a relative.

But the General Court of Qatif increased the punishment to 200 lashes and six months in jail after she took her case to the press. Authorities deemed it an "attempt to aggravate and influence the judiciary through the media," according to Saudi Arabia's English-language newspaper Arab News.

The seven attackers were convicted of rape with sentences that ranged from two to nine years in prison, according to Arab News.

In a December 2006 interview in Khobar, Saudi Arabia the woman gave a full account of her testimony to Human Rights Watch, describing the incident as she did before the court. She was meeting a male acquaintance, a former boyfriend, when the attack took place.

Ordeal Began With a Photo

"I [was] 19 years old. I had a relationship with someone on the phone. We were both 16. I had never seen him before. I just knew his voice. He started to threaten me, and I got afraid. He threatened to tell my family about the relationship. Because of the threats and fear, I agreed to give him a photo of myself," she recounted.

"A few months [later], I asked him for the photo back but he refused. I had gotten married to another man. He said, 'I'll give you the photo on the condition that you come out with me in my car.' I told him we could meet at a souk [market[ near my neighborhood city plaza in Qatif.

"He started to drive me home. &We were 15 minutes from my house. I told him that I was afraid and that he should speed up. We were about to turn the corner to my house when they [another car] stopped right in front of our car. Two people got out of their car and stood on either side of our car. They man on my side had a knife. They tried to open our door. I told the individual with me not to open the door, but he did. He let them come in. I screamed.

"One of the men brought a knife to my throat. They told me not to speak. They pushed us to the back of the car and started driving. We drove a lot, but I didn't see anything since my head was forced down."

"They took us to an area & with lots of palm trees. No one was there. If you kill someone there, no one would know about it. They took out the man with me, and I stayed in the car. I was so afraid. They forced me out of the car. They pushed me really hard ... took me to a dark place. Then two men came in. They said, 'What are you going to do? Take off your abaya.' They forced my clothes off. The first man with the knife raped me. I was destroyed. If I tried to escape, I don't even know where I would go. I tried to force them off but I couldn't. [Another] man & came in and did the same thing to me. I didn't even feel anything after that.

"I spent two hours begging them to take me home. I told them that it was late and that my family would be asking about me. Then I saw a third man come into the room. There was a lot of violence. After the third man came in, a fourth came. He slapped me and tried to choke me.

"The fifth and sixth ones were the most abusive. After the seventh one, I couldn't feel my body anymore. I didn't know what to do. Then a very fat man came on top of me and I could no longer breathe.

"Then all seven came back and raped me again. Then they took me home. & When I got out of the car, I couldn't even walk. I rang the doorbell and my mother opened the door. She said you look tired.' I didn't eat for one week after that, just water. I didn't tell anyone. I went to the hospital the next day.

"The criminals started talking about it [the rape] in my neighborhood. They thought my husband would divorce me. They wanted to ruin my reputation. Slowly my husband started to know what had happened. Four months later, we started a case. My family heard about the case. My brother hit me and tried to kill me."

Lawyer Punished Too

Along with the young woman's sentence, the General Court of Qatif confiscated the license of her attorney, Abdul Rahman Al-Lahem, a lawyer known for taking on controversial cases that push back against Saudi Arabia's strictly interpreted system of sharia, or Islamic law.

"Asking me to appear in front of a disciplinary committee at the Ministry of Justice & is a punishment for taking human rights cases against some institutions," Al-Lahem told Arab News.

Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Justice said in this week's statement that Al-Lahem's "faulty behaviors & contradict the ethics of his profession and violate the provisions of practicing law and its executive code."

New York-based Human Rights Watch researcher Christoph Wilcke, who studies the Saudi legal system, said the woman would need a pardon from King Abdullah himself or from the provincial governor to be spared the lashings and jail time. The punishment will also be reviewed by the Supreme Judiciary Council, which will scrutinize the ruling, according to the Ministry of Justice.

Saudi Rape Victim Tells Her Story (http://abcnews.go.com/print?id=3899920)


Title: Aspen sacrificing to Norse god in hopes of bringing snow
Post by: Shammu on November 28, 2007, 10:50:53 PM
Aspen sacrificing to Norse god in hopes of bringing snow

Associated Press - November 25, 2007 3:04 PM ET

ASPEN, Colo. (AP) - In Aspen some locals are praying to the Norse ski god Ullr in hopes of bringing some of the white stuff.

Last year Whistler-Blackcomb did it and they had the most snow they've had in many years. And this year they are off to a great start.

Danny Brown, 1 of those who has lit fires in Aspen, told the Aspen Daily News it is a way to pool energy and draw snow.

1 of the largest Ullr fires in recent memory was created last week by Brown and three other locals. It was an all-day and most-of-the-night ritual that brought together a small group of ski bums for some good times and laughter, and plenty of collective wishing for the element that truly binds them - snow.

Aspen, like much of the West, is suffering from a lack of early snow.

Aspen sacrificing to Norse god in hopes of bringing snow (http://www.kjct8.com/Global/story.asp?S=7405785)


Title: Re: Aspen sacrificing to Norse god in hopes of bringing snow
Post by: Shammu on November 28, 2007, 10:56:22 PM
People in Norway gave up these "gods" long ago, 90% of the population are some kind of Christian, mostly Evangelical Lutheran and it is obviously old pagan gods.

1 Corinthians 10:7 Do not be worshipers of false gods as some of them were, as it is written, The people sat down to eat and drink [the sacrifices offered to the golden calf at Horeb] and rose to sport (to dance and give way to jesting and hilarity).

1 John 5:21 Little children, keep yourselves from idols (false gods)--[from anything and everything that would occupy the place in your heart due to God, from any sort of substitute for Him that would take first place in your life]. Amen (so let it be).


Title: Santa train takes kids to sexy Victoria's Secret
Post by: Shammu on November 28, 2007, 11:23:34 PM
Santa train takes kids to sexy Victoria's Secret
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Toddler attraction features lingerie display
Posted: November 27, 2007
11:20 p.m. Eastern

© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

The kids' Santa train at the White Flint shopping mall in Bethesda, Md., is giving the tots an eyeful, taking them past a storefront display of "SEXY" lingerie, according to a consumer who complained to the shopping plaza's owners.

Rebecca McMurry called the situation, "Marketing of Evil, Washington suburban style," after she expressed her concern to the owners of the White Flint Mall, without getting satisfaction. She was referring to "The Marketing of Evil" book by David Kupelian, WND's managing editor, which outlines the campaigns responsible for selling sex and violence agendas to the American public.

"I am shocked! This evening my husband and I visited White Flint Shopping Mall and while strolling through window shopping we were greeted by a sleazy display of near pornographic sado-masochistic sexist mannequins in the display windows of Victoria's Secret," she wrote to Mark Lerner, of Lerner Enterprises, the mall's owner.

"It was bad enough for me to be humiliated by the scene, but what about the children, Mr. Lerner? We watched as the little train carried them by those windows. Is this the image that you want to be projected for your mall?" she wrote.

The Lerner company did not respond, but the mall manager, informed of the complaint by another store, suggested McMurry contact the Victoria's Secret store itself, or the chain's corporate headquarters.

McMurry responded: "White Flint started out 25 or so years ago as an 'upscale' mall but time and fortune have not been as good as we would have desired. Now things have reached a disastrous low when you have a 'porn shop' on the main level."

WND contacted the Victoria's Secret store, and was advised to contact the corporate headquarters. Messages left there were not returned.

But the issue remains for McMurry and her family, who have promised not to shop at the mall again unless changes are made.

"This is just so awful," she told WND. "Here it is Christmas, and kids are on that train going right by several of the windows, display windows with these provocative mannequins."

"I told them I wasn't going to go back to the mall," she said. "Of course, they don't care."

The manager for the mall, Desharri Bell, told WND Victoria's Secret is a "store within our shopping center. They have merchandising as all of our tenants do."

She said the store is relatively new to the mall, and said the mall takes seriously shoppers' concerns. She said the mall "would as a landlord work with the tenant on this issue," but so far wasn't aware of any changes.

But she declined to comment on the appropriateness of a children's train ride adjacent to the revealing display.

"I can't speak to that, but we work to bring a solid group of tenants that can be enjoyed," she told WND. "We've got a number of people who enjoy visiting the Victoria's Secret store."

The mall's website suggests children "Ride North Pole Express!" from now through Dec. 24.

"Tickets are $1 (cash only) and are sold at the Train Depot, Lord & Taylor Wing, Level One. Children under 7 must be accompanied by an adult; adults must be accompanied by children."

McMurry described how the train starts near the Lord & Taylor store, then moves throughout the mall, passing several times in front of the Victoria's Secret lingerie promotions.

"If I was a mother with a child, I'd be putting my hands over their eyes," she told WND.


Title: Pope attacks modern Christianity
Post by: Shammu on December 01, 2007, 02:38:51 PM
Pope attacks modern Christianity
Sat, December 1, 2007
By AP
         

VATICAN CITY -- Pope Benedict criticized modern-day atheism in a major document released yesterday, saying it had led to some of the "greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice" ever known.

In his second encyclical, Benedict also questioned modern Christianity, saying its focus on individual salvation had ignored Jesus' message that true Christian hope involves salvation for all.

Saved by Hope is a theological exploration of Christian hope in the afterlife: that in the suffering and misery of daily life, Christianity provides the faithful with a "journey of hope" to the Kingdom of God.

"We must do all we can to overcome suffering, but to banish it from the world is not in our power," Benedict wrote. "Only God is able to do this."

In the 76-page document, Benedict elaborated on how the Christian understanding of hope had changed in the modern age.

The Christian concept of hope and salvation, he says, was not always so individual-centric.

Quoting scripture and theologians, Benedict says salvation had in the earlier church been considered "communal" -- using the case of monks in the Middle Ages who cloistered themselves in prayer not just for their own salvation but for that of others.

Pope attacks modern Christianity (http://lfpress.ca/newsstand/News/International/2007/12/01/4699429-sun.html)


Title: Re: Pope attacks modern Christianity
Post by: Shammu on December 01, 2007, 02:40:09 PM
He's got it backwards, true believers offer Jesus' salvation message to all, the Pope reconditions it to Romanism only.


Title: Pope attacks 'cruel and unjust' atheism
Post by: Shammu on December 01, 2007, 04:45:41 PM
Marx had great ideas: his error was forgetting God, says Pope
December 1, 2007

Richard Owen in Rome

Atheism has led to some of the “greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice” known to mankind, the Pope said yesterday.

He also said that humanity would not be saved by scientific progress or political revolution, but only in the hope offered by Christianity.

“A world which has to create its own justice is a world without hope,” he said in an encyclical released yesterday, the most authoritative statement a Pope can issue to the faithful and the second of his pontificate.

In Spe Salvi (Saved by Hope), Pope Benedict said that atheists argued that “a world marked by so much injustice, innocent suffering and cynicism of power cannot be the work of a good God”. Since there was “no God to create justice”, atheists said, Man himself was called on to establish it on Earth. This protest against God was understandable, the Pope said, but “the claim that humanity can and must do what no God actually does or is able to do is both presumptuous and intrinsically false”.

He added: “It is no accident that this idea has led to the greatest forms of cruelty and violations of justice: rather it is grounded in the intrinsic falsity of the claim. A world which has to create its own justice is a world without hope.”

He said that faith in progress through science was illusory. Scientific advances offered mankind “new possibilities for good”, he said, but science also “opens up appalling possibilities for evil, possibilities that did not formerly exist. We have all witnessed the way in which progress, in the wrong hands, can become and has indeed become a terrifying progress in evil”.

He also said that Christianity itself had ignored Christ’s message that true Christian hope involves salvation for all, focusing instead on individual salvation. “We must do all we can to overcome suffering, but to banish it from the world is not in our power,” the Pope wrote. “Only God is able to do this.”

In the 76-page document, peppered with scholarly and theological references but written in a clear, limpid style, Benedict argued that the modern world was shaped by the French Revolution of 1789 and the Russian Revolution of 1917, the latter inspired by the ideas of Karl Marx.

He praised Marx’s “acute analysis” and “precision” in describing his times. But Marx’s “fundamental error” was that he “showed precisely how to overthrow the existing order but did not say how matters should proceed thereafter”. Marxism, the Pope wrote, had left behind “a trail of appalling destruction” because it failed to realise that Man could not be “merely the product of economic conditions”.

Cardinal Albert Vanhoye, the Vatican biblical scholar who presented the document, said that it was addressed not only to Catholics but also to Protestants, Orthodox Christians and nonChristians. The Pope, who has shown increasing concern over global warming and other green issues, said that “Christian hope” also meant protecting the planet.

“We can free our life and the world from the poisons and contaminations that could destroy the present and the future. We can uncover the sources of Creation and keep them unsullied, and in this way we can make a right use of creation, which comes to us as a gift,” he said.

The Pope said that many people reject faith today, “simply because they do not find the prospect of eternal life attractive. What they desire is not eternal life at all, but this present life, for which faith in eternal life seems something of an impediment. To continue living forever – endlessly – appears more like a curse than a gift”. But he concluded that Eternity was “not an unending succession of days in the calendar” but an encounter with Christ after death which is “like plunging into an ocean of infinite love, a moment in which time, the before and after, no longer exists”.

Marx had great ideas: his error was forgetting God, says Pope (http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/comment/faith/article2977564.ece)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on December 01, 2007, 05:42:12 PM
Looks like the right pope may be in place for the end of the age.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on December 01, 2007, 07:33:32 PM
Looks like the right pope may be in place for the end of the age.

Hello Grammyluv,

Sister, I was thinking exactly the same thing. The overall message was subtle but Anti-Christ. It was a "feel good now" philosophy with a mixture of humanism, communism, universalism, and Marxism - mainly humanism and universalism. It's interesting to note that not one of these of any combination of them has ever solved a single problem in this world. In fact, they are the opposite of what GOD has instructed in the Bible, and these man-made systems have caused untold misery and death. YES - this is the perfect philosophy for the end of this age and will help make the world RIPE for the HOLY AND RIGHTEOUS WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD.

On the other side of the coin is the ONLY and SIMPLE TRUTH: Absolute Sovereignty of ALMIGHTY GOD and each human being's RESPONSIBILITY to THE CREATOR - ALMIGHTY GOD. This is the solution to the problems of man, and it's so simple that any child should be able to understand it. Bluntly, HE is the ALL MIGHTY GOD SOVEREIGN CREATOR whether man recognizes and yields to HIM or not. Most obviously, there is a horrible price for rejecting and disobeying the KING OF KINGS! in this short life and for ETERNITY!

Brothers and Sisters, it appears that the pope has decided that he is god, and the pope has given a message of stinking garbage to mankind. Many will be deceived and follow it.


Love In Christ,
Tom

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on December 01, 2007, 09:13:32 PM
I am so saddened by the state of affairs of this old world, but I have to say that I also get excited when I see prophecy being fulfilled.  I have so long been interested but have found that most churches I have been to are afraid to speak on it.  They don't want any debate with their congregations.  Most of what I know I have read for myself and come to my own conclusions of what I think will happen.  It is comforting to know that my own thoughts have been so close to the mark and I'm encouraged to find that most of you on here are of the same thoughts.  :D


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on December 01, 2007, 10:07:26 PM
Hello Grammyluv,

I understand Christians not wanting to talk about specific years, dates, or times, but it is becoming fairly obvious that we are approaching the end days of this Age of Grace. I think this is important and should definitely be talked about. It was important enough for the Apostle Paul to talk about it in his day, so it should be even more important in our day. The Thessalonians were worried and concerned about these issues, so the Apostle Paul gave them the comforting and wonderful TRUTH.

Sister, GOD gave us that information for a reason - HE wanted us to know what was going to happen, and HE certainly wanted us to know about HIS Promises to HIS CHURCH and HIS Promises to Israel. GOD'S Promises to Christians in the days of Paul gave them comfort and hope in the ultimate TRUTH from GOD, and the same should be true for us.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 NASB
But we do not want you to be uninformed, brethren, about those who are asleep, so that you will not grieve as do the rest who have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so God will bring with Him those who have fallen asleep in Jesus. For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord, will not precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. Then we who are alive and remain will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air, and so we shall always be with the Lord. Therefore comfort one another with these words.

1 Corinthians 15:50-58 NASB
Now I say this, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does the perishable inherit the imperishable. Behold, I tell you a mystery; we will not all sleep, but we will all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet; for the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. For this perishable must put on the imperishable, and this mortal must put on immortality. But when this perishable will have put on the imperishable, and this mortal will have put on immortality, then will come about the saying that is written, "DEATH IS SWALLOWED UP in victory. "O DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR VICTORY? O  DEATH, WHERE IS YOUR STING?" The sting of death is sin, and the power of sin is the law; but thanks be to God, who gives us the victory through our Lord Jesus Christ. Therefore, my beloved brethren, be steadfast, immovable, always abounding in the work of the Lord, knowing that your toil is not in vain in the Lord.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on December 01, 2007, 11:02:09 PM
I'm with ya Brother Tom.  I see it like you do.  And if anyone starts naming dates then I'm through listening and/or reading.  Nobody knows when and I'm aware of that, but I'm expecting it soon!
Couldn't be soon enough for me.  My ticket's bought and paid for!
Amen.  ;D


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 01, 2007, 11:09:49 PM
I'm with ya Brother Tom.  I see it like you do.  And if anyone starts naming dates then I'm through listening and/or reading.  Nobody knows when and I'm aware of that, but I'm expecting it soon!
Couldn't be soon enough for me.  My ticket's bought and paid for!
Amen.  ;D

AMEN!



Title: Brazil to Dispense Condoms in Schools
Post by: Shammu on December 02, 2007, 07:38:44 PM
Brazil to Dispense Condoms in Schools
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Dec 1, 2:56 PM (ET)

The symbol of AIDS awareness hangs in front of Christ the Redeemer statue to commemorate World Aids...

RIO DE JANEIRO, Brazil (AP) - Brazil's government announced plans to put condom-dispensing machines in public schools to help teenagers reduce the spread of AIDS.

The health and education ministries and the United Nations sponsored a nationwide contest for students to design the dispenser. Three potential models were selected on Friday, the government news agency Agencia Brasil said.

Condom machines are to be installed in 100 public schools in 2008, officials said.

The head of the National Program of Sexually Transmitted Diseases, Mariangela Simao, said part of the project is educational and aims not to "banalize" the use of condoms. She said 100,000 schools were involved with the anti-AIDS program.

Health Minister Jose Gomes Temporao this week said young Brazilians between 13 and 24 were the target of Brazil's anti-AIDS campaign this year. Nearly 70,000 cases of AIDS were registered among Brazilians under 24, or about 16 percent of the cases reported in the country, according to the anti-AIDS program.

Brazil provides free AIDS drugs to anyone who needs them and has aggressively pushed drug manufacturers to lower prices.

Brazil to Dispense Condoms in Schools (http://apnews.myway.com/article/20071201/D8T8RPV80.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on December 03, 2007, 09:12:45 PM
Folks just don't get it. At the very least, immoral behavior will cause misery! However, this kind of immoral behavior has caused misery, disease, and death for millions, and millions are dying right now.

A.I.D.S. is a plague courtesy of those from alternative lifestyles. Violation of GOD'S Laws of Nature nearly always have a horrible price. All kinds of other plagues have been loosed on mankind because of acting like animals and being immoral. BUT REMEMBER - these things are supposed to be normal and respected. NOPE! There's plenty of room left in cemeteries and HELL!

What the world needs is JESUS CHRIST!


GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: NURSES TOLD TO TURN MUSLIMS’ BEDS TO MECCA
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 03:26:52 PM
NURSES TOLD TO TURN MUSLIMS’ BEDS TO MECCA

December 4,2007
By Paul Jeeves

OVERWORKED nurses have been ordered to stop all medical work five times every day to move Muslim patients’ beds so they face towards Mecca.

The lengthy procedure, which also includes providing fresh bathing water, is creating turmoil among overstretched staff on bustling NHS wards.

But despite the havoc, Mid- Yorkshire NHS Trust says the rule must be instigated whenever possible to ensure Muslim patients have “a more comfortable stay in hospital”.

And a taxpayer-funded training programme for several hundred hospital staff has begun to ensure that all are familiar with the workings of the Muslim faith.

The scheme is initially being run at Dewsbury and District Hospital, West Yorkshire, but is set to be introduced at other hospitals in the new year.

It comes on the back of the introduction in some NHS hospitals last year of Burka-style gowns for Muslim patients who did not wish medical staff to see their face while operating or caring for them.

Last night critics slammed the procedure and claimed the NHS would be better off investing its resources in tackling killer superbugs such as C.diff and MRSA.

One experienced nurse working at Dewsbury said: “It would be easier to create Muslim-only wards with every bed facing Mecca than have to deal with this.

“Some people might think it is not that big a deal, but we have a huge Muslim population in Dewsbury and if we are having to turn dozens of beds to face Mecca five times a day, plus provide running water for them to wash before and after prayers, it is bound to impact on the essential medical service we are supposed to be providing.

“Although the beds are designed to be moved, the bays are not really suitable for having loads of beds moved around to face a different direction, and despite our best efforts it does cause disruption for non-Muslim patients.”

The changes have been instigated by Dewsbury and District Hospital’s chief matron, Catherine Briggs, after she held a series of consultation meetings with local Asian GPs, ethnic minority patients groups and Muslim chaplain Ilyas Dalal to find out what staff could do to further improve Muslim patients’ experience of the NHS.

In accordance with the rules of Islam, Muslims are required to pray five times a day. The religion dictates they must wash themselves in running water prior to prayer and must be facing in the direction of Mecca while praying. Mecca, in Saudi Arabia, is revered as the birthplace of the prophet Mohammed, who was born around 570AD.

Turning beds so they face towards Mecca was a key proposal put forward during the hospital meetings, along with suggestions that Muslim women should only be seen by female doctors.

Although the Trust, which also oversees hospitals in Wakefield and Pontefract, could not guarantee women-only doctors, they agreed that “wherever possible” specific patient requests would be carried out.

Mrs Briggs said: “Some of our former Muslim patients suggested that a more informed understanding of the Islamic cultures would help staff to further improve their service.”

Last night Conservative MP David Davies said: “Hospitals should be concentrating on stopping the spread of infections than kow-towing to the politically correct brigade.

“If the need for fresh running water is so great then perhaps family members could be on hand to assist the already overworked medical staff.”

NURSES TOLD TO TURN MUSLIMS’ BEDS TO MECCA (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/27213/Nurses-told-to-turn-Muslims-beds-to-Mecca)


Title: Hospital Defends Plans to Turn Patients' Beds to Face Mecca
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 03:30:14 PM
Hospital Defends Plans to Turn Patients' Beds to Face Mecca
By Patrick Goodenough
CNSNews.com International Editor
December 05, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - A hospital in northern England is playing down media reports saying that nurses have been ordered to stop normal duties five times a day to turn Muslim patients' beds so that they face Mecca.

British tabloid newspapers reported Tuesday that at a hospital in West Yorkshire county, "overworked" nurses in the taxpayer-funded National Health Service (NHS) were struggling to cope with the additional duties required for Muslim patients.

Apart from moving the beds, the nurses also have to provide bathing water for pre-prayer ablutions, the reports said.

The new duties were causing "havoc," said the Daily Express, while the Daily Star said they were "creating turmoil" and quoted a doctor at the hospital as saying it was a case of "political correctness gone mad."

Devout Muslims pray five times daily -- generally before sunrise, after noon, before sunset, after sunset, and after dark -- facing the direction of the Kabaa in Mecca, Islam's most revered site.

The hospital is located in the municipal borough of Kirklees, where 10 percent of the population of 400,000 is Muslim, mostly of Pakistani origin, according to 2001 government statistics.

The media reports were based on a release by the "NHS trust" -- the local corporation responsible for the hospital -- which said that hospital staff were "positioning the beds of very ill Muslim patients to face Mecca if requested by the patient, providing shower facilities for patients, as well as bathing facilities [and] providing halal meal options for patients."

Nurses also taking undergoing training workshops to learn how they could further improve service for Muslims, in line with a "continued commitment to meet the privacy and dignity needs of all their patients," it said.

It quoted hospital matron Catherine Briggs as saying some Muslim former patients "suggested that a more informed understanding of the Islamic cultures would help staff to further improve their service."

"We always do our best to listen to our patients and are willing to adapt our nursing practices where possible to help patients uphold their cultural beliefs," she said.

In reaction to the media reports, the hospital issued a new statement on Tuesday, calling the coverage "entirely inaccurate."

"Nurses are not being removed from their duties to move patients' beds towards Mecca," chief nurse Tracey McErlain-Burns said. "Moving patients' beds for prayer five times a day has not been suggested as part of this workshop and staff have not been ordered to do this."

But, she added, "In the context of responding to requests from patients and families, particularly when faced with a very ill patient, it is entirely reasonable that nurses consider all practical steps to meet a patient's cultural or religious needs. This may include adjusting the position of the bed, or escorting the patient to the chapel or faith center."

Under seven-year-old race relations legislation, NHS trusts are required to promote equality between different ethnicities and to publish data showing that they are complying with the law. A government review published last month found that only 35 out of 394 NHS trusts were fulfilling all of their race relations duties.

Last September, an NHS trust in Lancashire, a county adjacent to West Yorkshire, announced the introduction of burqa-like gowns including a choice of head coverings for patients "whose culture or religion requires them to be more modestly clothed."

In August, a Muslim youth organization complained about plans to cut medical services at a hospital near Manchester, saying that the local NHS trust had not carried out a detailed "Race Impact Assessment" beforehand.

" One of the major impacts of this decision will be on Muslim pregnant women," said the Ramadhan Foundation. "If they are about to give birth, they will under the proposals have to travel over five miles to a hospital -- they are more likely to give birth in a car.

"In Islam in it obligatory that Muslim women that give birth in private," the organization said. "The cultural and religious needs of Muslims have been ignored.""

Hospital Defends Plans to Turn Patients' Beds to Face Mecca (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewForeignBureaus.asp?Page=/ForeignBureaus/archive/200712/INT20071205b.html)
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other sources:

British hospital turns Muslims' beds to face Mecca (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071204170303.jr6iw4sf&show_article=1)

British Nurses Told to Turn Muslims’ Beds to Mecca  (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,315103,00.html)

Muslim patients offering Namaz five times a day leave UK nurses overworked (http://www.topnews.in/muslim-patients-offering-namaz-five-times-day-leave-uk-nurses-overworked-28178)


Title: Re: Hospital Defends Plans to Turn Patients' Beds to Face Mecca
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 03:36:05 PM
Why turn the beds 5 times a day?? Just turn 'em once and leave them there.........

When they allow sharia law downgrade the Laws of the land. You can bet they are going to apply it to people, muslim or non-muslim, against their will!!

A kind and loving god would understand that maybe you're sick and to not worry about which way your bed faces while you're recovering. Our Lord Jesus doesn't care which way you face, He loves to hear from you anyplace, anytime, anywhere!!


Title: Girls as young as 12 are given the morning-after pill - without parents' knowled
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 03:51:07 PM
Girls as young as 12 are given the morning-after pill - without parents' knowledge
By LAURA CLARK -
3rd December 2007

Girls as young as 12 are being given the morning-after pill without their parents' knowledge at chemist shops.

A report shows the powerful contraceptive is available to young girls at High Street pharmacies in almost every area.

It reveals the growing ease with which they can get hold of a pill that has barely been tested on girls under 15 and was previously available only on prescription.

Under a controversial Government scheme to cut teenage pregnancies, youngsters are asked only basic questions in a brief consultation with a pharmacist.

The scheme is operated by a staggering eight out of ten local NHS trusts.

The Family Education Trust, which produced the report, says the policy is having no effect on pregnancy rates and is actually increasing promiscuity, putting girls at greater risk of sexually transmitted diseases.

Campaigner Sue Axon said last night: "I know of a 14-year-old whose boyfriend tried to talk her into having sex by saying he would take her for the morning-after pill.

"Young boys think they have a licence to do whatever they want because of this."

Disclosures under the Freedom of Information Act reveal that 84 per cent of England's 152 NHS trusts allow pharmacies like Boots to hand out the morning-after pill to girls under 16.

Some set lower age limits of 12, 13, 14 or 15, but more than half do not.

Astonishingly, 59 per cent of trusts would consider refusing to licence a new pharmacy unless it promised to provide the pill to children.

Family planning clinics issue more than 20,000 morning-after prescriptions to under-16s every year. But thousands more girls are thought to be getting them without prescription from chemists.

The Family Education Trust said the policy smacked of "sheer desperation or blind ideology" and served only to promote casual sex and undermine parental authority.

Its director, Norman Wells, said: "Over recent years we have witnessed the systematic removal of every restraint which in previous generations served as a disincentive to underage sexual activity.

"There can be no doubt that the free and confidential provision of the emergency pill to girls under 16 is further promoting a casual approach to sexual relationships.

"This will inevitably result in more underage sex, more teenage pregnancies, and more sexually-transmitted infections".

The report, Waking Up to the Morning-After Pill, shows how prescribing to under-16s is becoming widespread.

Schemes allowing chemists to hand out the pill were originally confined to urban areas with particularly high rates of teenage pregnancies.

Now they are commonplace - the Trust found that 128 primary care trusts operate them. Pharmacies are not obliged to participate, but those signing up must abide by the conditions laid down by the PCT.

Boots, which runs more than 2,000 chemists, said it usually took part in such schemes to "support the primary care trust in its aims locally".

Other big retail chains also comply, although Tesco has a policy of restricting morning-after pill provision to girls of at least 16 or with prescriptions.

The supermarket took the stand following a public outcry over 2002 Governmentbacked trials at some stores. It complained last year that NHS trusts were "forcing" its stores to supply the pill to children.

Tesco said it had been warned some instore pharmacies might not be granted licences in future unless they agreed to provide the under-16 service.

Over-the-counter sales to adults have been permitted since 2001.

A Department of Health spokesman said last night:

"Health professionals such as pharmacists can legally provide emergency contraception to under 16s, under local NHS arrangements, if they are satisfied that the young person is competent to understand fully the implications of any treatment and after encouraging them to talk to a parent.

"The decision to develop arrangements for pharmacists to supply emergency contraception is taken by the local NHS."

England and Wales has the highest rate of teenage pregnancies in Europe. The biggest recent increase has been among under 16s, with 7,917 such pregnancies in 2005.

Among under-18s there were 39,683, up from 39,593 in 2004 and higher than the 35,400 recorded a decade ago in 1995.

Girls as young as 12 are given the morning-after pill - without parents' knowledge (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=499305&in_page_id=1770&ct=5)
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Other sources;

'Girls, 12, get morning-after pill' without parents knowledge (http://www.channel4.com/news/articles/society/health/girls+12+get+morningafter+pill/1135252)

Morning-after pill 'given to 12-year-olds' (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2007/dec/03/health.nhs?gusrc=rss&feed=11)


Title: Megachurches Targeted for Pro-Gay Campaign
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 03:53:20 PM
Megachurches Targeted for Pro-Gay Campaign
By Nathan Black
Christian Post Reporter
Mon, Dec. 03 2007 04:49 PM ET

Two homosexual groups plan to launch a national campaign targeting the most influential megachurches and its leaders in an attempt to change their views on gays and lesbians.

Soulforce, which promotes "pro-gay" interpretations of Scripture, and COLAGE (Children of Lesbians and Gays Everywhere) are currently recruiting LGBT (lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender) parents and their children along with other supporters for "The American Family Outing" in 2008. Selected families will visit six major megachurches to "educate" the public on the issue of homosexuality.

"Through our visibility we hope to peacefully challenge the false stereotypes about LGBT people and same-gender families, and educate the public through authentic and personal conversations - real parents sharing their stories and describing the hurtful effects of prejudice and religious condemnation," said a statement describing the national campaign, which will run from Mother's Day weekend in May through Father's Day weekend in June.

Churches being targeted are those led by Joel Osteen, Bishop T.D. Jakes, Dr. Rick Warren, Bishop Harry Jackson, Jr., Bill Hybels and Bishop Eddie Long. Along with most Christian leaders, all have expressed to some degree an opposition to the homosexual lifestyle.

Soulforce contends that these younger generation evangelical leaders "are striving to change the tone of the national political debate with messaging that is less punitive, therefore making religion-based discrimination seem more palatable to the mainstream American public."

The upcoming campaign comes at a time when more evangelical churches are showing compassion toward the homosexual community. While still rejecting homosexual behavior as sin, Christians are increasingly welcoming and loving homosexuals, departing from the hateful and homophobic labels often attached to churches.

Still, churches continue to struggle with the issue of homosexuality in a culture that is more open to gay and lesbian lifestyles.

Participants of The American Family Outing plan to attend a worship service at each of the megachurches and also request time for panel discussions and a chance to engage in informal conversations with congregants of the churches.

Before the visits, 40 recruited families are required to attend a weekend of training in Austin, Texas, in February to prepare for theological dialogue and nonviolent direct action.

Megachurches Targeted for Pro-Gay Campaign (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20071203/30322_Megachurches_Targeted_for_Pro-Gay_Campaign.htm)


Title: Re: Megachurches Targeted for Pro-Gay Campaign
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 04:07:36 PM
God so loved the world that He gave His Only Begotten Son, that whosoever believes in Him, shall not perish, but have everlasting life. Jesus paid the death penalty that our sin incurred. Including the sin of homosexuality. In God's eyes this is an abomination, that the creatures that He created in His image, would act in such an unholy manner.

God loves all His creation, when He created man in His image, it was for man to reflect His Glory, when we wade in sin, any sin this does not reflect the glory of GOD!! We are the TEMPLE of the LIVING GOD, when we repent and give ourselves to Him, we are not longer our own, we are bought with a price.

The enemy is always trying to steal God's glory and what better way then to cause people to think they can come to God any way they choose to. God has shown us the way to come to Him and that is through The Cross and Jesus Christ.

However my beloved brethren, we need to be careful what we are approving of. God does not tolerate sin in any fashion. HIS Son paid a very high price for sin. We need to confess with our mouths the EVIL that we do in HIS sight and ask HIM to give us HIS strength to leave the life of sin we have been in.

We are works in progress, no one is perfect, but JESUS can and does REDEEM, many from the lie of homosexuality. Satan has stolen the identities of many, convincing them this is what they are, when it is a lie, we are children of God.

Don't let anyone steal from you what GOD has ordained for His children. We live in very dark times, as the Light of Christ comes closer the darkness gets greater!!

I wonder what will happen when Soulforce tries this to islam..................  ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 05, 2007, 04:30:40 PM
Surgeon: Lifestyle issues may have harmed safe procedure
Ed Thomas OneNewsNow.comDecember 5, 2007 surgery scene

Four recipients of organ transplants in three Chicago hospitals were recently informed they had received HIV and Hepatitis C viral infections from a single donor. One of the country's foremost surgeons says the news highlights the still-present risk of organ transplants, and the ethical practices that must accompany the procedure.

According to one official from the United Network for Organ Sharing, a case of HIV transmission from a donor to a recipient has not been documented since 1994. Doctors also point out a much-improved screening test for infectious health conditions. So what was different this time?

Kansas surgeon Dr. David Pauls has performed transplants and also serves on the ethics board of the Christian Medical & Dental Associations. He says according to news reports, there was no follow-up testing after the transplant surgery for nearly 10 months -- and there are now questions about the lifestyle risks of the donor, which may have been known by physicians.

"There have been allegations made right now that the patient who was the organ donor may not have been an appropriate organ donor and had high-risk lifestyle issues," says Pauls. He suggests that even though the donor cleared all pre-operative health screenings, if his true lifestyle information was not passed on to recipients for informed consent, it raises serious ethical concerns that may necessitate legal remedies.

In the meantime, Pauls still wants the public to know that aside from the normal risk of any surgery, people in need of organ transplants should still pursue them. He says the procedure is proven to be safe -- if carried out with the normal safeguards.


Title: Episcopal Church faces possible major defection
Post by: Shammu on December 05, 2007, 04:53:58 PM
Episcopal Church faces possible major defection
Wed Dec 5, 2007 1:35pm EST

By Michael Conlon, Religion Writer

CHICAGO (Reuters) - The U.S. Episcopal Church faces major tumult this week when an entire California diocese with more than 9,000 members decides whether to secede in an unprecedented protest over gay issues.

The Episcopal Diocese of San Joaquin, based in Fresno and consisting of nearly 50 churches in 14 counties, would be the first diocese to bolt from the U.S. branch of the 77-million-member global Anglican Communion if Saturday's final vote passes.

The U.S. church and Anglicanism generally have been in upheaval since 2003 when the Episcopal Church consecrated Gene Robinson of New Hampshire as the first bishop known to be in an openly gay relationship in more than four centuries of church history.

Dissent over that as well as the blessing of same-sex unions practiced in some congregations has caused a number of defections by traditionalists in the U.S. church.

The 2.4 million-member U.S. church says that out of 7,600 congregations 32 have left, meaning that a majority of members of those congregations have departed and the churches are now considered closed. Another 23 have voted to leave, meaning that significant number of members have said they want to leave.

None of the church's 110 dioceses, however, has taken the final step to depart so far. Dioceses in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania, and Fort Worth, Texas, have also taken preliminary votes to leave, but their final decisions are a year away.

Bishop John-David Schofield, head of the San Joaquin Diocese, says leaving the U.S. church is "a sensible way forward" and one that could later be reversed if "circumstances change and the Episcopal Church repents."

In the meantime his diocese has received what he calls a "welcome" invitation to realign itself, should the vote be affirmative, with the Anglican Church of the Southern Cone of South America headed by conservative Archbishop Gregory Venables of Argentina.

That, he said, will allow members to remain part of the global Anglican church.

'REMAIN EPISCOPAL'

A year ago the San Joaquin Diocese's preliminary vote to leave the Episcopal Church was overwhelming. The process requires two votes year apart.

But a secession would not be unanimous. An organization called "Remain Episcopal" is opposing it and says its members will remain in place as the duly recognized Episcopal Church even if the bishop, some clergy and other congregants leave.

Katharine Jefferts Schori, presiding bishop of the Episcopal Church, urged Schofield in a letter earlier this week not to pull his flock out, saying "the church will never change if dissenters withdraw from the table."

She also made it clear what would happen if he did: A process that could eventually allow her to "depose" the bishop, declare the diocese vacant and allow those who want to remain to form a new church leadership.

The Episcopal Church also says it has control over all property and once a congregation leaves it has to find another place to worship. That contention has been challenged in several court cases, including one in Virginia where property dating back to Colonial times and worth millions of dollars is in dispute.

A spokeswoman for the San Joaquin Diocese said the property issue had yet to be addressed.

Episcopal Church faces possible major defection (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN2859889520071205?sp=true)


Title: Pope approves Lourdes indulgences
Post by: Shammu on December 06, 2007, 05:21:45 PM
Pope approves Lourdes indulgences
6 December 2007

Pope Benedict XVI has authorised special indulgences to mark the 150th anniversary of the Virgin Mary's reputed appearance at Lourdes.

Catholics visiting the site within a year of 8 December will be able to receive an indulgence, which the Church teaches can reduce time in purgatory.

Lourdes has drawn pilgrims since Mary was said to have appeared in 1858 to shepherdess Bernadette Soubirous.

The waters of the French shrine are said to have miraculous healing powers.

The Pope is expected to visit the shrine next year.

The pontiff also said believers who prayed at places of worship dedicated to Our Lady of Lourdes from 2-11 February next year - or who were unable to make the journey - would also be able to receive indulgences.

The decree was signed by US Cardinal J Francis Stafford, who is head of the Apostolic Penitentiary, a Vatican court dealing with indulgences and matters of conscience.

Indulgences became infamous in the 16th century for being sold rather than earned, helping, historians say, trigger the Protestant reformation.

While some might consider indulgences an outdated concept, great spiritual importance have been assigned to them by Benedict XVI and his predecessor, Pope John Paul II.

Pope approves Lourdes indulgences (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7131088.stm)


Title: Dutch government to fight for gay rights, at home and abroad
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 10:56:35 AM
Dutch government to fight for gay rights, at home and abroad

by Frederic Bichon Thu Dec 6, 10:46 AM ET

THE HAGUE (AFP) - The Dutch centre-left government has made the fight against homophobia a priority at home and abroad in a move applauded by gay rights activists here.

"Never before has a government done so much for the emancipation of gays," said Frank van Dalen, president of the Dutch national gay rights COC, the world's oldest such organisation set up in 1946.

"Homosexuality has never before played a role of importance in foreign development cooperation," he told AFP.

To form his fourth coalition government, in power since February, Christian Democrat Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende teamed up with Labour. This new centre-left team is focussing more on social issues than its leftwing predecessors.

In a letter last month to parliament about Dutch foreign aid strategy, Development Cooperation Minister Bert Koenders stated emphatically that "the Netherlands will promote equal rights for gays as much as possible."

In 18 of the 36 countries, mostly in Africa and Asia, that the Netherlands supports with development aid, homosexuality is an offence, with penalties ranging from a fine to a prison sentence.

The Dutch will plead in bilateral contacts for the legalisation of homosexual contacts, said Koenders, adding: "We will not shy away from difficult discussions."

Relative to its population size, the Netherlands is one of the biggest international donors, giving 0.8 percent of its gross domestic product (GDP) or 4.2 billion euros (6.1 billion dollars) in 2006.

A few days after Koenders' announcement, fellow cabinet member Ronald Plasterk, minister of education, culture and science who also has emancipation issues in his portfolio, officially presented his plans to set aside 2.5 million euros between 2008-2011 to promote equal treatment for homosexuals.

Noting that while gays and lesbians have the same rights as heterosexuals in the Netherlands, "socially the acceptance is not automatic among certain ethnic minorities or people who follow a more orthodox religious lifestyle."

The money is intended for campaigns targetting young people, mostly Muslims in schools, sport clubs or neighbourhood associations.

"Here again the government is progressing: we have our own minister whereas in previous governments we only had a secretary of state charged with gay rights," said Van Dalen.

"Also for the first time the coalition agreement had a chapter about emancipation of gays."

But Van Dalen said just stating this is not enough.

"The government has taken a moral position without offering a way to implement its stand. Moral leadership is not enough to change the world," he said.

There is still much work to be done to promote gay rights, according to the activist.

"The Netherlands is not some kind of gay paradise," he said.

"According to surveys 48 percent of the population is shocked by two men kissing and 75 percent of people of immigrant origin believe that a teacher should hide his gay orientation," Van Dalen said.

In a letter sent to parliament last week ahead of a parliamentary debate about the 2008 education budget, the COC asked that six million euros be earmarked to fight homophobia in schools.

Dutch government to fight for gay rights, at home and abroad (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20071206/lf_afp/netherlandspoliticsgaysdiscrimination_071206154602)


Title: Netherlands Government Pledges 2.5 m. Euros to Crack Down on Religious Dissent
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 10:59:12 AM
Netherlands Government Pledges 2.5 m. Euros to Crack Down on Religious Dissent from "Gay Rights"

Dutch citizens who "follow a more orthodox religious lifestyle" to be targetted

By Hilary White

AMSTERDAM, December 7, 2007 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Netherlands has led the world in the introduction of the homosexual political movement. Now it is going to be leading the way to cracking down on dissent from the officially "tolerant" position on homosexuality, particularly among those Dutch citizens who "follow a more orthodox religious lifestyle".

The coalition government has agreed to earmark 2.5 million euros from 2008 to 2011 to promote homosexuality as normal in social areas. The government said that the money will be spent on programmes specifically targeting young Muslims in schools, sport clubs or neighbourhood associations.

Ronald Plasterk, minister of education admitted that Dutch homosexuals enjoy the same rights as everyone else, "socially the acceptance is not automatic among certain ethnic minorities or people who follow a more orthodox religious lifestyle."

The Netherlands was the first country in the world to institute same-sex "marriage" and allow homosexual partners to adopt children.

The policy will extend, in as-yet undisclosed programmes, to Dutch foreign aid donations. Development Cooperation Minister Bert Koenders told Parliament, "The Netherlands will promote equal rights for gays as much as possible. We will not avoid awkward discussions about this."

The government told its ambassadors to developing countries to increase pressure on those nations to decriminalize homosexuality.

But it is not merely "religiously orthodox" people who retain at least subconscious objections to public displays of homosexuality. Gay activist Frank van Dalen, president of the Dutch national homosexual lobbyists, Federation of Dutch Associations for Integration of Homosexuality, (COC), complained that a recent poll showed that 48 per cent of the population is shocked by two men kissing and the number goes up to 75 per cent of recent immigrants.

Dutch homosexual activists are powerful at the European Union where pressure is mounting on Poland to adopt the Charter of Fundamental Rights that is seen as a crucial instrument in installing the full programme of gay activism. The EU gay activist group ILGA-Europe praised the increase of pressure to normalize homosexuality by the EU Commission on candidate countries such as Turkey and Serbia.

An ILGA-Europe spokesman said the group "appreciates" such efforts and praised the "clearly positive development in the progress reports as the human rights of LGBT people are explicitly mentioned in a larger number of the eight reports than last year."

Netherlands Government Pledges 2.5 m. Euros to Crack Down on Religious Dissent from "Gay Rights" (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2007/dec/07120704.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:01:04 AM
Quote
Netherlands Government Pledges 2.5 m. Euros to Crack Down on Religious Dissent from "Gay Rights"

You'd think if something was "normal" and "ok" then you wouldn't have to spend millions, to force people to accept it.


Title: Televangelist won't comply with Senate inquiry
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:11:26 AM
Televangelist won't comply with Senate inquiry
AP: Preacher Benny Hinn said Thursday he will not respond until next year

Dec. 6, 2007

A second Christian ministry is refusing to meet a Thursday deadline for a Senate investigation into preachers' salaries, perks and travel, The Associated Press has learned.

Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas, said in a statement to the AP on Thursday that he will not respond to the inquiry until next year.

A lawyer for preacher Creflo Dollar of World Changers Church International in suburban Atlanta had said Wednesday that the investigation should be referred to the IRS or the Senate panel should get a subpoena for the documents.
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Senator not 'impressed'
Sen. Charles Grassley, the ranking member of the Senate Finance Committee, sent lengthy questionnaires a month ago to six ministries so he could review whether pastors were complying with IRS rules that bar excessive personal gain through tax-exempt work.

Only Joyce Meyer Ministries of Fenton, Mo., has provided the detailed financial and board oversight information sought by Grassley.

Grassley, an Iowa Republican, said in a Wednesday conference call with reporters that he "can't be impressed" by the argument from some of the preachers that the IRS already monitors them, because his past inquiries have unearthed information that the IRS never knew.

All the ministries preach a form of "Word of Faith" theology, known as prosperity gospel, which teaches that God wants believers to reap material rewards for their faith.

Grassley has insisted his investigation "has nothing to do with church doctrine" and is strictly concerned with making sure nonprofit groups are following the law.

However, several religious liberty watchdogs have said the scope of the inquiry is too broad and warned that it could be unconstitutional.

Televangelists object to inquiry
Ronn Torossian, a spokesman for Hinn, said in a statement that the preacher "plans to facilitate a response to Senator Grassley's inquiry by Jan. 30th, and likewise notified the senator's office of this intent on Nov. 20th." Torossian said Hinn is "in full compliance with government agencies duly authorized to oversee churches and charitable organizations."

Torossian would not elaborate.

The other televangelists have been noncommittal in their public comments, but some have voiced strong objections that echo Dollar's.

The other ministries targeted in the inquiry are Bishop Eddie Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church and Bishop Eddie Long Ministries of Lithonia, Ga.; Randy and Paula White of Without Walls International Church and Paula White Ministries of Tampa, Fla.; and Kenneth and Gloria Copeland of Kenneth Copeland Ministries of Newark, Texas.

Refusals to turn over the information could lead to a court fight, giving a judge the authority to decide whether the committee is entitled to all the information it requested.

"Hopefully these organizations will work with us," said Grassley, who has been investigating nonprofit compliance with IRS rules for years. "I don't think I've had to issue a single subpoena in the five years that I've been trying to get cooperation from organizations."

Televangelist won't comply with Senate inquiry (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22130336/)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:15:40 AM
Quote
Televangelist won't comply with Senate inquiry

Benny Hinn of World Healing Center Church Inc. and Benny Hinn Ministries of Grapevine, Texas, said in a statement to the AP on Thursday that he will not respond to the inquiry until next year.

Hinn's refusal has guilt written all over it, whether he's guilty or not. He's telling them when he wants to turn the information in instead of obeying the law requirements. God will sort all this out soon enough.

Good Christian men of God would never hesitate to cooperate with the government, if they did not have something to hide.


Title: Christian biologist fired for beliefs, suit says
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:17:47 AM
Christian biologist fired for beliefs, suit says
Says he was dismissed after telling his superior he did not accept evolution

Dec. 7, 2007

BOSTON - A Christian biologist is suing the prestigious Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution in Massachusetts, claiming he was fired for refusing to accept evolution, lawyers involved in the case said on Friday.

Nathaniel Abraham, an Indian national who describes himself as a "Bible-believing Christian," said in the suit filed on Monday in U.S. District Court in Boston that he was fired in 2004 because he would not accept evolution as scientific fact.

The latest U.S. academic spat over science and religion was first reported in The Boston Globe newspaper on Friday. Gibbs Law Firm in Florida, which is representing Abraham, said he was seeking $500,000 in compensation.
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The zebrafish specialist said his civil rights were violated when he was dismissed shortly after telling his superior he did not accept evolution because he believed the Bible presented a true account of human creation.

Creationists such as Abraham believe God made the world in six days, as the Bible's Book of Genesis says.

Woods Hole, a federally funded nonprofit research center on Cape Cod, said in a statement it firmly believed its actions and those of its employees in the case were "entirely lawful" and that it does not discriminate.

Abraham, who was dismissed eight months after he was hired, said he was willing to do research using evolutionary concepts but that he had been required to accept Darwin's theory of evolution as scientific fact or lose his job.

The Massachusetts Commission Against Discrimination dismissed the case this year, saying Abraham's request not to work on evolutionary aspects of research would be difficult for Woods Hole because its work is based on evolutionary theories.

Abraham said this condition was never spelled out in the advertisement for the job and that his dismissal led to severe economic losses, an injured reputation, emotional pain and suffering and mental anguish.

The case underscores tension between scientists, who see creationist views as anti-science, and evangelical Christians who argue that protections of religious freedom enshrined in the U.S. Constitution extend to scientific settings.

Abraham, 35, is now a biology professor at Liberty University, a Baptist school in Virginia founded by the Rev. Jerry Falwell, a Christian pastor and televangelist.

Christian biologist fired for beliefs, suit says (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22152482/)


Title: Pope in rare meeting with Russian Orthodox cleric
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:28:08 AM
Pope in rare meeting with Russian Orthodox cleric
Fri 7 Dec 2007, 13:56 GMT

By Phil Stewart

VATICAN CITY, Dec 7 (Reuters) - Pope Benedict held a rare meeting on Friday with a senior cleric from the Russian Orthodox Church in a bid to improve often strained relations.

Metropolitan Kirill, the head of external relations for the Moscow Patriarchate, was expected to speak with reporters later on Friday. The Vatican did not immediately release any details about the closed-door meeting.

The Russian Orthodox Church split from Rome in the Great Schism of 1054. It had chilly relations with Benedict's predecessor, Pope John Paul II -- a Pole who had campaigned against the atrocities of communism and sought in vain to visit post-communist Russia.

Since Benedict's election in 2005, relations have improved and Vatican officials have said they are working towards an eventual meeting between the Pontiff and Russian Patriarch Alexiy II.

BIG CHILL IS OVER

Kirill recently told Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano "the big chill is over and it's thawing time" for ties. He said the two churches share the same spiritual and moral problems and should work together.

But problems remain. Kirill recently called on the Vatican to reverse a 2002 decision to create new Catholic diocese in Russia, something it considers to be an infringement on the Russian church's local territory and power.

The Russians also walked out of a key Catholic-Orthodox meeting of theologians earlier this year that produced a document with other Orthodox churches that the Vatican hailed as a step on the long road toward reconciliation.

In a joint declaration, the theologians agreed the Pope held the highest rank in the unified Church before the 1054 schism -- a statement that could allow Catholic and Orthodox worshippers to work more closely. It also made clear neither side yet agreed on what power came with that rank.

Still, the Russian Orthodox Church is the largest and most influential in worldwide Orthodoxy, which is organised under national churches totalling some 220 million members.

The Vatican, which leads the world's 1.1 billion Roman Catholics, has said dialogue must include the Russians.

Pope in rare meeting with Russian Orthodox cleric (http://africa.reuters.com/wire/news/usnL07590527.html)
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Coming soon, a One World Church near you. :'(  Praise God, we won't be here for this..... :D


Title: Iran-Mexico meeting deepens ties to Islam
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:32:35 AM
Iran-Mexico meeting deepens ties to Islam
President Calderon welcomes Khatami in effort to bypass confrontational West
Posted: December 7, 2007
4:50 p.m. Eastern

By Jerome R. Corsi
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

In a little notice meeting reflecting growing ties between South America and the Islamic world, Mexican President Felipe Calderon welcomed former Iranian President Mohamed Khatami to Mexico City.

The two leaders met Wednesday at Los Pinos, Mexico's official presidential residence, to discuss deepening cultural bonds with the Islamic world in the face of Western notions of a "clash of civilizations.

The visit drew virtually no mention in the press outside of Mexico, even in Iran.

Khatami came at the invitation of the International Center for Dialogue between Civilizations, established in 2006 at the Colegio de San Luis in the Mexican state of San Luis Potosi.

A notice on the Colegio de San Luis website said Khatami spoke at the center to oppose the main thesis of Harvard University professor Samuel Huntington's seminal 1996 book "The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order."

In his speech, Khatami proclaimed a "Dialogue among Civilizations," a theme echoing a 2001 U.N. declaration.

Similarly, a statement by Calderon emphasized, in diplomatic language, that Khatami was promoting an exchange of opinions "concerning the roads available to promote peaceful co-existence among natures and cultures."

The Mexican newspaper La Jornada echoed the presidential statement: "The government of Mexico shares the conviction that dialogue and negotiation should be promoted as the preferred means to advance agreements."

The radical leftist La Voz de Aztlan in Los Angeles characterized the Khatami-Calderon meeting as "part of a growing alliance between Mexico, South America and Islam."

La Voz de Aztlan also noted, "President Calderon has been worried about the growing racist hostility against Mexicans and Mexican-Americans in the USA."

The online publication said the visit "may signal the beginning of a new international alignment that may bring into reality what Patrick Buchanan wrote in his new book, 'Day of Reckoning.'"

In July, Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez met in Tehran with Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, reflecting Tehran's recent campaign to develop closer ties with Latin America.

In September, Ahmadinejad met with Fidel Castro in Cuba, where the communist dictator endorsed the Iranian leader's efforts to further the goals of the Islamic revolution begun by Ayatollah Khomeini.

The International Center for Dialogue between Civilizations was opened in 2006 by Islamic Dawa of Chauen, a militant Shiite Islamic group originally formed in Iraq, and the radical Junta Islamica of Spain.

Chauen is a city in the Mexican province of Marruecos with historic ties to the Berbers in Morocco. The Junta Islamica derives from the descendents of the Moriscos, the Spanish Muslims expelled from Spain in the 16th and 17th centuries.

The Southern Poverty Law Center, a group noted for aggressively promoting the rights of Hispanic immigrants, characterizes the Nation of Aztlan, publisher of La Voz de Aztlan, as a "tiny Chicano group that pushes racism and homophobia."

Aztlan is the name for the mythical place of origin of the Aztec people. In the politics of Hispanic immigration, Aztlan has come to represent the part of the southwestern United States, including a large part of California, sought by the Reconquista movement for Mexico.
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There are a lot of Catholics in Mexico, and if they listen to the Pope. They'll think that Muslims worship the same god that they do and accept them with open arms. It's starting to look like the whole world is becoming united against the few.

Talk about shades of hades of Red Dawn!! :-X


Title: China says West should deal with warming
Post by: Shammu on December 08, 2007, 11:40:02 AM
China says West should deal with warming

Published: 12.08.07, 00:01
Israel News

China insisted Friday the US and other wealthy nations should bear the burden of curbing global warming, saying the problem was created by their lavish way of life. It rejected mandatory emission cuts for its own developing industries.

Environmental activists, meanwhile, labeled the United States and Saudi Arabia the worst "climate sinners," accusing them of having inadequate polices for climate problems while letting greenhouse gas emissions rise. But the activists also said no country is doing enough.

China says West should deal with warming (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3480166,00.html)
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As I recall, don't they have a major river that is polluted from chemicals that it glows and no living life in it??  Talk about greenhouse gasses, are they the ones that expose children to lead and other chemicals??

Give me a break!!

I wonder if China and all of these environmentalist ever heard of the ring of fire. One volcano pollutes the air alot more then the world can ever think of doing........


Title: Re: China says West should deal with warming
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 08, 2007, 11:45:05 AM
China says West should deal with warming

As I recall, don't they have a major river that is polluted from chemicals that it glows and no living life in it??  Talk about greenhouse gasses, are they the ones that expose children to lead and other chemicals??

Give me a break!!

I wonder if China and all of these environmentalist ever heard of the ring of fire. One volcano pollutes the air alot more then the world can ever think of doing........


Yep, they're the ones and poisoning food for both pets and humans, too.

The new UN regulations on global warming has given major exemptions for China also.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on December 09, 2007, 11:43:29 AM

"clash of civilizations:



Also known as:
"The Last Great Clash"
"The Clash Heard Around the World"
"The Clash to End All Clashes"
"The Clash Crashers"
"The Clash, Part 3"


 ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on December 09, 2007, 11:52:20 AM

The new UN regulations on global warming has given major exemptions for China also.

You can noticed sides being drawn up, just like the Bible Prophecy tells us.


Title: Churches offer Halo video game to attract youths
Post by: Shammu on December 09, 2007, 07:51:34 PM
Churches offer Halo video game to attract youths
By Melissa Evans, Staff Writer
Article Last Updated: 12/08/2007 12:04:50 AM PST

Although the plot involves an ark, a covenant, seven halos and religious prophesies, the thrill-kill video game Halo seems a tad out of place at a Christian youth center.

But every afternoon after school, dozens of teens flock to The Portal center at Coast Christian Fellowship in Torrance, where they huddle around game consoles and battle for control of the cyber-universe.

It's a scene being played out around the country as religious leaders try to use Halo to attract youths. The goal, they say, is to make a connection and build relationships with teens who might not otherwise be interested in church.

"I think people understand that this is part of our outreach," said Guy Takashima, pastor of Coast Christian, an Assemblies of God church.

Even as video games have grown in popularity, the Halo series stands out, selling more than 20 million copies since the trilogy debuted in 2001. Halo 3 sold $300million worth of copies in the first week after its September release, and Microsoft predicts it will become "the No. 1 gaming title of all time."

Halo has spawned novels, games and action figures, with a film based on the series said to be in the works.

Since the release of Halo 3, congregations around the country have hosted "Halo Nights," where hundreds of teenagers came to play the game, eat pizza, listen to a Bible lesson, then play some more.

A Colorado-based youth ministry called Dare2Share sent thousands of primers to parents, church leaders and other subscribers, offering tips on using the language and themes of Halo 3 to spread the gospel.

Lane Palmer, the youth ministries coordinator who authored the guide, said the organization isn't condoning the game or trying to promote it.

"But you have to understand," he said, "everybody's already playing it, so why not use it as a conversation piece?"

With its intricate plot, range of weapons and levels of difficulty, the game takes strategy and patience.

And, players say, it's addictive.

"When Halo 2 came out, I didn't have a life for a long time," said Justin Medina, 19, who plays at Coast Christian.

The concept of using cultural trends to attract members is nothing new. Evangelical leaders, in particular, have been savvy in using print, radio, television, the Internet and podcasting to spread the gospel. Many pastors make a point to use popular movies, music, TV shows and top-selling books in order to present their message in ways people understand.

"One of our goals is to show how the Bible can be applied today," said Chris Nicely, a youth pastor at Shepherd of the Hills Church in Porter Ranch. "We want to try to give (kids) a taste of the fact that God's not boring."

And anything that helps reach this generation is worth exploring, pastors agree.

More than any other age group, the 14- to 30-year-olds are a tough crowd to please. About 20 percent of teenagers in America are unchurched, and 61 percent of those who were raised in a church left in their 20s, according to a 2006 survey by the Barna Group, a Christian research organization based in Ventura.

Efforts to keep teens interested, however, often beg the question: How far should churches go to meet kids where they're at?

"It is a fine line, there's no doubt about that," said Palmer, with Dare2Share. "Any time you show blood and gore, you have to consider whether the end justifies the means.

"It is very subjective, and I think churches have to look at their own traditions and figure out what's right for them."

Bungie Studios, which created Halo, didn't intend for the game to be used for evangelistic purposes, although part of its promotional outreach included pastors, spokesman Frank O'Connor said.

The game is rated Mature, meaning it's restricted to users 17 and older, but the M rating is deceiving, he said.

"The violence in our game is actually very cartoonish," he said. "It's not nearly as bad as some of the other video games out there."

Rolling Hills Covenant Church doesn't have a formal Halo group, but high school pastor Sean Hurley and a couple of other clergy and teens get together every Friday to play and socialize.

"It is a video game, but it's also a great connection point with kids in the ministry and their peers outside the church," he said. "We have this commonality, we can establish relationships."

Creating community so kids could build relationships with each other and adults was the goal of Coast Christian when it opened the youth center this fall, said Janice Arnold, manager of The Portal. They also offer activities such as jewelry making and graphic design.

On a recent afternoon, all but one of the Halo players was not a member of the church - and that's typical, she said. The church does hold youth religious services on Friday nights at The Portal, and many of the unchurched kids have chosen to stay.

"We certainly don't bang them over the head with a Bible," she said. "But most of them want to stay afterward for youth group. We're very excited about that."

Churches offer Halo video game to attract youths (http://www.dailynews.com/news/ci_7664909)


Title: Re: Churches offer Halo video game to attract youths
Post by: Shammu on December 09, 2007, 08:05:18 PM
Course you know I got to say something on this...........

Since when are Christians supposed to bring the things of the world into the Church in order to appeal to the unsaved? Is that how Jesus appealed to the unsaved? What about the apostles?

This game is rated "M" for blood, gore, violence, and language. They say they don't endorse the game, but if they don't endorse it, why use it as their method of outreach? There are other ways to appeal to gamers and the rest of the unsaved that do not involve using something violent and worldly in order to catch their attention.

There is something wrong with the Church hosting gatherings to play violent, bloody, video games in hopes of appealing to the unsaved.

Or why not install a bar and offer free beer to get the "drinking" crowd inside, and then put in some Victoria secret catalogs for the youth Sunday school classes so they will join the church? After all, it would be a wonderful conversation piece.

I'm sorry but, in Church (mine) I don't need this garbage. I stand upon God's Word, thats all thats really needed. Yes we do have coffee services, for the early birds. That starts at 7:00 in the morning, for those that may have to work.

Okay now y'all can tell me to shut up.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 09, 2007, 08:17:04 PM
Not as bad as some of the other games out there. That means it's just a little bad? A little bad or a whole lot bad it is still bad and I'm sorry if they are sponsoring it in their youth groups in that manner then they are indeed endorsing it.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on December 09, 2007, 08:50:49 PM
You'd think if something was "normal" and "ok" then you wouldn't have to spend millions, to force people to accept it.

Realistically, one could take religion completely out of the equation, and alternative lifestyles would STILL be weird abnormal perversions that lead to dreaded diseases that kill many millions of people every year. Anyone with common sense could look at the hard statistics and see that death from slow and painful diseases is a high probability for those involved in perversions. The last question involves why anyone would defend or promote behavior that results in the tortures of disease and death in a matter of years. WHY? Who is it that wants all of these people to suffer and die - and WHY? - FOR WHAT PURPOSE? AND, the government is actually spending taxpayer dollars to torture and kill people!  WHY?


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 09, 2007, 09:21:16 PM
Perhaps it's their version of Chinas population control?



Title: Rape case ruling shocks Australia
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 03:23:14 PM
Rape case ruling shocks Australia
Monday, 10 December 2007

A judge's decision not to jail nine men guilty of raping a 10-year-old girl in an Aboriginal community has triggered outrage in Australia.

The offenders were either placed on probation or given suspended sentences for the 2005 rape in the Aurukun settlement, in northern Queensland.

In her ruling, Judge Sarah Bradley told them that the victim "probably agreed to have sex with all of you".

A review of sexual abuse sentences in Aboriginal Queensland has been ordered.

Sentencing seven of the accused in Cairns in October, Judge Bradley told them that the girl involved was not forced into sex, according to a report in The Australian newspaper.

She placed six of the offenders, who were minors at the time of the rape, on probation for 12 months, local media said.

The three other defendants were handed suspended six-month prison sentences.

Judge Bradley later defended her sentencing, telling The Australian that the sentences were "appropriate" because they were the penalties sought by the prosecution.

'No excuse'

But Australia's newly-elected Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has spoken out against the ruling, saying he was "appalled" by the verdict after it was revealed in the Australian press on Monday.

"I am horrified by cases like this, involving sexual violence against women and children. My attitude is one of zero tolerance," he told reporters in Queensland, his home state.

 Boni Robertson, an Aboriginal activist in Queensland, said there could be no excuse for the judge's decision.

"There is nothing culturally, there is nothing morally, there is nothing socially and there is definitely nothing legally that would ever allow this sort of decision to be made," she said.

Queensland Premier Anna Bligh has now announced a review of all sentences given over the last two years in the communities in the Cape York region where the case occurred.

"I am not prepared to just write this off as an unusual one-off case," she said.

"I want to satisfy myself that the people of Cape York, and the people who live in remote indigenous communities, are receiving the same level of justice as we can expect in any other community in Queensland."

The offenders came from some of the most powerful and prominent Aboriginal families in Cape York, while the victim's family had a lower status, The Australian reported.

The case comes six months after a high-profile inquiry into child sex abuse in remote northern Australia said it found problems in every Aborigine community visited by researchers.

That inquiry led to an intervention programme in the Northern Territory.

Rape case ruling shocks Australia (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7136269.stm)


Title: Abortion Leading to Rise in Breast Cancer Cases
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 03:40:36 PM
Abortion Leading to Rise in Breast Cancer Cases

by Colin Mason
December 9, 2007

Colin Mason is the Director for Media Production at the Population Research Institute.

Rates of breast cancer are skyrocketing in countries which have legalized abortion. But this suggestion--that abortion causes breast cancer--causes radical feminists, who are otherwise greatly concerned about breast cancer--to go into spasms of denial.

This is why it is vitally important to the pro-life cause that the ABC link be investigated rationally, documented carefully, and presented convincingly. British statistician Patrick Carroll, who is Director of Research at Britain’s Pension and Population Research Institute, has done just that in his new study, "Assessing the Damage," which was just published on October 25th of this year.

Some years ago, Carroll recognized that the U.K., because of the all-pervasive British Medical System and the public funding of abortions, has some of the most complete data on abortion, breast cancer, and other illnesses available anywhere. He used this data, which spans the 40 years since the legalization of abortion in 1967, to see if it showed any connection between abortion and suicide, mental illness, and breast cancer in each of the U.K.'s four regions: England, Scotland, Wales, and Northern Ireland. He also looked at other medical sequalae of abortion, such as the level of mental illness and subsequent suicide rates.

According to official figures, the modal age for abortions in England is 20, while the modal age for live births is 30. Women are marrying later, if at all, and the proportion of pregnancies among unmarried women continues to grow. Many of these women seek abortions. Of the 180,000 abortion in 2006, 100,000 were performed on women who had no prior abortions, while 80,000 were performed on women who have at least one prior abortion.

Carroll's study shows, as one might suspect, that mental illness is more common following first-time abortion. As the number of first-time abortions grows, so has antidepressant use. Thirty-one million prescriptions were written in England in 2006, a nearly 10 million increase over the 21.3 million written in 2001.

Most importantly, however, his study clarifies why there has been a radical upswing in the incidence of British breast cancer since the legalization of abortion. Rates of breast cancer have risen by an incredible 80 per cent since the late seventies.

Carroll begins by noting that upper class women are more likely to develop breast cancer and more likely to have abortions. "The social gradient for female breast cancer is unlike that of other cancers with upper class women having a higher rate of incidence than those from lower social classes," Carroll writes. "As in other countries this is termed a negative or reverse social gradient for female breast cancer . . British official publications report on the social gradient but do not explain it in terms of known risk factors."

This reverse social gradient for breast cancer is far too steep to be explained by the fact that upper-class women are having children later in life, when the risk for breast cancer is more severe. Rather, Carroll explains, "upper class and upwardly mobile women are more likely to choose abortion when they are pregnant and this helps to explain this otherwise inexplicable social gradient. Upper class women tend to postpone childbearing and have a later age at first birth. Abortions before full-term pregnancies are the more carcinogenic nulliparous [first-time] abortions."

The results? After a judicious parsing of the data, Carroll concludes: "Breast cancer can be considered a long term sequel to abortion."

Although the causes of breast cancer are not completely understood, it is commonly accepted that hormonal changes play a large role. Pregnancy causes breast cells to grow and divide. An abortion interrupts this process, leaving large number of undifferentiated cells which are especially susceptible to cancer.

The media in the U.K., not surprisingly, have not been kind to Carroll's study and the British medical establishment has yet to comment. What can they say, after all? The data on abortions and breast cancer come from the government itself, and are not subject to "recall bias," or any of the other shortcomings that normally afflict survey data. The argument is clear and convincing.

While Carroll ends by calling for further study, he also makes it clear that he thinks the facts speak for themselves. "The correlation [between breast cancer and abortion] is much higher than for other known risk factors such as Childlessness, Age at First Birth and Fertility," he says. He goes on to point out that "Modelling using abortion and birth rates as explanatory variables has been used to make forecasts for eight countries for the future incidence of female breast cancer."

When you can not only explain the past, but offer predictions of the future, you are in possession of a very powerful theory indeed. We have long been convinced at PRI that the abortion breast cancer link is fact. Carroll's work should help convince all those who are not blinded by the ideology of choice.

Abortion Leading to Rise in Breast Cancer Cases (http://www.lifenews.com/nat3521.html)


Title: Re: Abortion Leading to Rise in Breast Cancer Cases
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 03:42:49 PM

Rates of breast cancer are skyrocketing in countries which have legalized abortion. But this suggestion--that abortion causes breast cancer--causes radical feminists, who are otherwise greatly concerned about breast cancer--to go into spasms of denial.


Why pro-choice people deny this I do not know. Abortion needs to be banned and soon, Roe vs. Wade needs to be reversed!!.


Title: Historic Symposium Focuses on Opposing Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 03:44:33 PM
Historic Symposium Focuses on Opposing Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia

by Julie Grimstad
December 9, 2007
LifeNews.com Note: Julie Grimstad, director of Life is Worth Living, Inc. (LWL), attended the symposium as a representative of Pro-Life Wisconsin and LWL.

Over three hundred people from various nations met in Toronto, Ontario for a history-making event, The First International Symposium on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide: Current Issues, Future Directions. Hosted by the Euthanasia Prevention Coalition of Canada (EPCC), the symposium was co-sponsored by diverse groups from Canada, the United States and the United Kingdom as well as the Archdiocese of Toronto.

With one thing in common—opposition to legalization of euthanasia and assisted suicide—disability rights advocates, medical and legal professionals, pro-life activists, people of various religious faiths and atheists came together to learn from the experts, find common ground and strategize.

Presenters exposed the new directions and strategies of the movement to legalize euthanasia and assisted suicide. According to Wesley Smith, who is a senior fellow at the Discovery Institute, attorney, international lecturer and author of several books on bioethics (just to name a few of his credentials), "The euthanasia movement has become much more sophisticated in the last few years." The "crackpot element" is no longer driving the movement. It is now "a professional model" and "an elitist establishment movement" whose pitch is "just a little extra choice for people who are dying."

The thread running through all the presentations was the urgent need to establish a common response to this world-wide threat. Many of the speakers were key participants in coalitions that defeated pro-euthanasia and assisted suicide legislation in the US and UK. They outlined the lessons they've learned.

Use the Right Language

One lesson learned is that "all social engineering is preceded by verbal engineering," stated Rita Marker, attorney and executive director of the International Task Force on Euthanasia and Assisted Suicide. "The words used in a debate often determine the outcome of the debate." Assisted suicide activists blame their failures on the use of the word "suicide" and insist on using what they call "value-neutral" terms. Marker advised symposium participants to always use the term "assisted suicide," never terms such as "assisted dying" or "aid-in-dying." The "s" word is powerful

Dr. Peter Saunders, of Care Not Killing Alliance in the UK, helped defeat the "Joffe" bill, an assisted suicide measure. As an example of effective use of language, he cited a disabled person's sound bite: "We don't want assisted dying. We want assisted living!"

Dr. Paul Byrne, a neonatologist and Clinical Professor of Pediatrics at Medical University of Ohio, insisted that the term "euthanasia," which literally means "good death," should not be used. The term "imposed death," he said, is more accurate.

Emphasize Bad Consequences

Dr. Saunders, as well as the disability rights advocates who spoke, pointed out that changing the law will put pressure on vulnerable people to choose death rather than be "a burden" on others. Also, euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide (PAS) will be used to contain healthcare costs. Oregon pays for PAS as "comfort care" while refusing to pay for certain types of medical care for cancer patients.

In 2007, Dr. Robert Orr helped defeat a bill that would have legalized PAS in Vermont for persons with a life-expectancy of less than six months. "Inaccuracy of diagnosis," he said, should be emphasized. He cited Art Buchwald, who was suffering from kidney failure and refused dialysis. He entered hospice in February 2006 expecting to die, but checked himself out several months later. Buchwald lived for nearly a year and wrote a book entitled "Too Soon to Say Goodbye."

Dr. Orr outlined how, once legalized, euthanasia in the Netherlands slowly expanded from being permitted for patients who are competent and suffering to "patients with no free will" and even infants with disabilities. The slippery slope is real.

Cheryl Eckstein, founder of Compassionate Healthcare Network (Canada) gave a rundown of Canadian "mercy-killing" cases. She said that the notion of "‘compassionate homicide' is about as nonsensical as ‘loving rape.'" And Dr. Bill Toffler, national director of Physicians for Compassionate Care, lamented that his beautiful state of Oregon has "sadly become known for something that is deeply disordered."

Personal Stories

As one participant said, "The shortest distance between a person and the truth is a story."

Soft-spoken Alison Davis, representing No Less Human, a disability rights group in England, told her story. Because of her disability, she has constant pain and is dependent on morphine for relief. She told of times when she had wanted to die due to suffering and depression. If the UK had allowed assisted suicide, she doubted she would be here today. Davis emphasized the danger of legalizing euthanasia and assisted suicide: "Pain control is available, but it takes time and effort. Why bother if killing the patient is equally acceptable?"

Henk Reitsema, an articulate young man from the Netherlands representing Cry for Life, told the compelling story of his grandfather's death by involuntary euthanasia in a Dutch nursing home. He said, "The way my grandfather died might be described as ‘palliation with the side effect of death,'" which is a common way of imposed death in his country. We "seem to have made the suffering of pain the only crime worth punishing with the death penalty," declared Reitsema.

The familiar story of Terri Schindler-Schiavo's dehydration death in a Florida hospice was related by her brother Bobby Schindler. There was not a dry eye in the room as he described Terri's last days and the suffering her family endured and continues to endure because of her cruel death.

Dr. Paul Byrne's topic was "brain death." He told of several cases that compelled him to begin evaluating whether "brain death" is true death, or not. The first was in 1975. Joseph, a premature infant, had been on a ventilator for six weeks and an EEG was interpreted as "consistent with cerebral death." Dr. Byrne did not turn off the ventilator; rather, he continued treatment. Joseph is now married with children and works as a fireman and paramedic.

Get Involved

Euthanasia and physician-assisted suicide are now "medical treatment" in the Netherlands and Belgium. Switzerland does not penalize assisted suicide so long as it is not done for selfish motives, but physicians cannot be involved. In the U.S., PAS is legal only in Oregon. Opposition coalitions have defeated 89 efforts to legalize it in other states.

Compassion & Choices (C&C), the U.S. organization leading efforts to legalize PAS, has adopted the slogan "Oregon Plus One." PAS promoters are determined to legalize assisted suicide in at least one more state in 2008. They are targeting Washington State in particular. Booth Gardner, popular former governor of Washington who now has Parkinson's disease, is putting his popularity and considerable fortune behind the campaign to gather the 225,000 signatures needed by July to place a PAS initiative on next November's ballot.

Rita Marker warned, "Any place that assisted suicide passes will affect the whole world." Everyone who opposes assisted suicide, she said, "is a Washingtonian for the next year.
You are important. Get involved."

As one expert put it, our basic strategy is "We win. They lose."

Conclusion

The sponsors and organizers, in particular Alex Schadenberg, executive director of the EPCC, deserve hearty congratulations for the shining success of this first of its kind symposium.

The event concluded Saturday evening with Mass celebrated by Toronto's Archbishop Thomas Collins.

Historic Symposium Focuses on Opposing Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia (http://www.lifenews.com/bio2289.html)


Title: Re: Historic Symposium Focuses on Opposing Assisted Suicide and Euthanasia
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 03:50:19 PM
Thankfully, assisted suicide and euthanasia are still illegal. Unfortunately, the murder of unborn babies is legal and all those countries who have made it so will suffer the consequences!!

I'm surprised that the Al Gore group aren't trying to push euthanasia and assisted suicide as being good for helping stop global warming, on account of all the CO2 that people release. This should continue to be illegal, just like abortion should be illegal!!

Assisted suicide and euthanasia should be illegal!! That is what I believe, what do you believe??


Title: Christmas in America becomes battleground
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 04:07:51 PM
If you view this as old, I feet it relevant to the times. Considering what's going on over Christmas in most states now.
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Christmas in America becomes battleground
As holiday traditions draw national controversy, believers, pagans grapple over Jesus' inclusion
Posted: December 14, 2002
1:00 a.m. Eastern

By Joe Kovacs
© 2002 WorldNetDaily.com

Every December, a call goes out from the nation's pulpits to "put Christ back into Christmas," but growing numbers of Americans – including fundamentalist Christians – are claiming Jesus Christ had nothing to do with the holiday, and news items from across the country this week indicate that the U.S. has become the new battleground for Christmas.

Cases in point:

    * A first-grade teacher in Sacramento Co., Calif., says her principal has prohibited instructors from uttering the word "Christmas" in class or in written materials;

    * A school superintendent in Yonkers, N.Y., banned, then unbanned, holiday decorations that contained religious themes more than the generic "season's greetings";

    * New York City schools are being sued for alleged discrimination against Christians;

    * and atheists reposted their vandalized winter solstice sign in the Wisconsin Capitol, as they declare "Christians stole Christmas" from ancient pagans.

All this comes on the heels of a national survey indicating just over a tenth of Americans today believe Jesus Christ of Nazareth is the focus of Christmas, with almost nine out of ten people saying the holiday has become less religious.

Are atheists correct that the very day set aside by hundreds of millions across the world to honor the birth of their Savior is merely a relic of sun worship? And if it is, why would some schools ban it? And even if today's holiday traditions have their roots in heathen practices, should Christians who wish to be true to their faith take part?

Sign of the times

"The real reason for the season is winter solstice," proclaims Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-founder of the Madison, Wis.-based Freedom From Religion Foundation which re-erected its atheistic message Monday in the rotunda of the state seat of government.

After six years on display, her placard had been damaged last December by an unknown assailant, and has since been repaired.

The front of the sign states: "At this season of the winter solstice may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven or hell. There is only our natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that hardens hearts and enslaves minds."

The back reads: "State/Church: Keep them separate," and carries a little caveat, advising "Thou shalt not steal."

The 23-by-30-inch billboard was OK'd as part of Wisconsin's seasonal display which also features menorahs, angels, and what appears to be a giant Christmas tree more than two stories tall.

"We call it a 'holiday' tree," said Brian Hayes, deputy secretary for Wisconsin's department of administration. "We're trying to be sensitive to [the public]."

That politically correct terminology comes despite the dismissal of a lawsuit last year where the message content of items adorning the state tree had been challenged, yet it's indicative of the thought-conscious age of the 21st century.

Banned in the USA

The fact that atheists view Christmas with disdain is not astonishing, since they've attempted to remove the phrase "under God" from the Pledge of Allegiance and "In God we trust" from U.S. currency, as well as Ten Commandments displays from numerous publicly owned places.

What may be surprising, though, is that some devout Christians, many dating all the way back to the days of Jesus, never celebrated the birth of Christ, nor sought to. America's early colonists banned observance of Christmas, and still today, there are many Christians abstaining from what millions more of their brethren joyfully celebrate as God's coming in human form.

The Catholic Encyclopedia states, '"the word for Christmas in late Old English is Cristes Maesse, the Mass of Christ, first found in 1038, and Cristes-messe, in 1131."

It explains "Christmas was not among the earliest festivals of the Church," pointing out "first evidence of the feast is from Egypt" around A.D. 200 with attempts by theologians to assign not only the year of Christ's birth, but also the precise date.

Historians agree that through the subsequent centuries, traditions from ancient pagan (non-Christian) religions became intertwined with those of Christianity, and depending upon one's point of view, either paganism became Christianized, or Christianity became paganized.

In 1644, the English Parliament outlawed the holiday, compelling shops to be open that day, and condemning plum puddings and mince pies as "heathen."

In his Pulitzer Prize finalist, "The Battle for Christmas," historian Stephen Nissenbaum at the University of Massachusetts documents the American development of the holiday now ensconced in popular culture.

"In New England, for the first two centuries of white settlement," writes Nissenbaum, "most people did not celebrate Christmas. In fact, the holiday was systematically suppressed by Puritans during the colonial period and largely ignored by their descendants. It was actually illegal to celebrate Christmas in Massachusetts between 1659 and 1681 (the fine was five shillings). Only in the middle of the nineteenth century did Christmas gain legal recognition as an official public holiday in New England."

Nissenbaum agrees with other historians that the first recorded observance since the New Testament recounted Christ's birth took place hundreds of years after Jesus' resurrection.

"It was only in the fourth century that the Church officially decided to observe Christmas on Dec. 25. And this date was not chosen for religious reasons but simply because it happened to mark the approximate arrival of the winter solstice, an event that was celebrated long before the advent of Christianity. The Puritans were correct when they pointed out – and they pointed it out often – that Christmas was nothing but a pagan festival covered with a Christian veneer."

Christmas in America saw huge growth during the 19th century, starting with Washington Irving's 1820 book "The Keeping of Christmas at Bracebridge Hall." A week before Christmas in 1834, Charles Dickens published "A Christmas Carol," and in 1860, American illustrator Thomas Nast created Father Christmas, also known as Santa Claus, based on European stories of St. Nicholas, the patron saint of children.

Spirit of the rising sun

Today, followers of ancient paganism strive to remind the public about the heathen origins of traditions that many may never have questioned. They've published books, given speeches, and created websites proffering a heathen history of modern customs.

CircleSanctuary.xxx is among the Internet addresses run by nature-worshipping pagans. Wiccan high priestess Selena Fox discusses the state of being pagan and celebrating the lengthening of days during the Northern Hemisphere's darkest time of year.

      "Yule, the winter solstice, is a festival of peace and a celebration of waxing solar light. I honor the new sun child by burning a[n] oaken yule log in a sacred fire. I honor the great goddess in her many great mother aspects, and the father god as Santa in his old sky god, father time, and holly king forms. I decorate my home with lights and with holly, ivy, mistletoe, evergreens and other herbs sacred to this season. I ring in the new solar year with bells."

Fox even provides a list of suggestions on how 21st century citizens can take part in the ancient rituals, to "re-paganize" Christmastime:

    * Have gift exchanges and feasts over the course of several days and nights as was done of old

    * Adorn the home with sacred herbs and colors; decorate in druidic holiday colors of red, green and white

    * Hang a sprig of mistletoe above a major threshold and leave it there until next yule as a charm for good luck throughout the year

    * Have family/household members join together to make or purchase an evergreen wreath

    * If you choose to have a living or a harvested evergreen tree as part of your holiday decorations, call it a solstice tree and decorate it with pagan symbols

    * Reclaim Santa Claus as a pagan godform by decorating him with images that reflect his various heritages ranging from the Greek god Cronos (father time) to Odin, the Scandinavian all-father riding the sky on an eight-legged horse

    * Place pagan mother-goddess images around your home, possibly including one with a sun child, such as Isis with Horus

    * Honor the new solar year with light – light candles, burn a yule log and save a portion for the following year, put colored lights outside your home, and with the popularity of five-pointed stars, consider displaying a blue or white pentagram.

cont'd next post


Title: Re: Christmas in America becomes battleground
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 04:09:22 PM
The greatest story never told?

The pagan connections to Christmas are not news to the likes of Garner Ted Armstrong, a Christian evangelist and political commentator based in Tyler, Texas. Armstrong has been proclaiming such information for the past 46 years on a peak of 135 television and 360 radio stations, stating "it is impossible to 'put Christ back in Christmas,' since He was never in Christmas in the first place!"

"None of the apostles of Christ ever heard of the term; not one of them ever celebrated Christ's birthday," writes Armstrong in his booklet "Christmas ... The Untold Story." "The words Christmas, holly wreath, mistletoe, Rudolph, Santa Claus and Christmas tree do not appear anywhere in the Bible."

Armstrong is among Christians who believe God's plan of salvation for mankind is more accurately depicted through holidays which are frequently mentioned in Scripture, such as Passover and the Day of Atonement. If anything, he thinks Dec. 25 would most likely be Jesus' conception day, thus placing his birth in the autumn, possibly during the Feast of Tabernacles, symbolizing God's "tabernacling" – that is to say, dwelling – with mankind.

Like-minded preachers say the Bible warns extensively about adopting pagan customs, pointing to the 10th chapter of Jeremiah to specifically cite the practice of tree decoration, which some historians date back to ancient Egypt and Babylon:

      "Thus saith the Lord, Learn not the way of the heathen, and be not dismayed at the signs of heaven; for the heathen are dismayed at them. For the customs of the people are vain: for one cutteth a tree out of the forest, the work of the hands of the workman, with the axe. They deck it with silver and with gold; they fasten it with nails and with hammers, that it move not." (Jer 10:2-4)

Armstrong says the pagan celebrations, including winter's Saturnalia, or feast of Saturn in ancient Rome, crept into ostensible Christianity over many years, and some writers began urging a celebration at the same time as the secular events "for the simple reason that so many pagans were already accustomed to 'joyous,' sometimes 'riotous' orgies of feasting at the time of the winter solstice."

"It would be a sin for me [to celebrate Christmas], but it doesn't mean it's the unpardonable sin," Armstrong told WorldNetDaily, stressing he doesn't feel at all threatened by the holiday.

"I have no more difficulty walking through Beijing at the Chinese New Year and seeing the dragons and fireworks. It doesn't affect me. ... [the Apostle] Paul says the idol is nothing."

While Armstrong teaches against the observance of Christmas, he adds that most people who celebrate it are doing so with good intentions, simply unaware of the facts regarding its origins, and they should neither be judged nor condemned by fellow believers in Jesus. He encourages people to type words like "origins of Christmas" into Internet search engines to find out for themselves the background on the customs.

Angels in the outfield

For millions of Christians, the story of Christmas in the Bible is among the most beloved, and is one of their foundations of faith – that God came to dwell as a man and offer eternal life to mankind. It is both simple enough to be understood by young children, and has majestic meaning to provide adults with inspiration and awe.

The events surrounding the birth of Christ are recorded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke, which give an almost play-by-play description:

      And there were in the same country shepherds abiding in the field, keeping watch over their flock by night. And, lo, the angel of the Lord came upon them, and the glory of the Lord shone round about them: and they were sore afraid. And the angel said unto them, Fear not: for, behold, I bring you good tidings of great joy, which shall be to all people. For unto you is born this day in the city of David a Saviour, which is Christ the Lord. And this shall be a sign unto you; Ye shall find the babe wrapped in swaddling clothes, lying in a manger. And suddenly there was with the angel a multitude of the heavenly host praising God, and saying, Glory to God in the highest, and on earth peace, good will toward men. (Luke 2:8-14)

The shepherds subsequently found the child in the manger, but unlike depictions on many modern holiday cards and Nativity scenes, there were no wise men present at the birth. The Gospel of Matthew says the Magi arrived at a house, not the manger. And as for the tradition of three wise men, the Bible never mentions their number – only the three gifts of gold, frankincense and myrrh. Those gifts were presented to Jesus, not exchanged with other people.

The accounts don't mention a tree – evergreen or otherwise – nor do they specify the time of year. Some analysts theorize that since the shepherds were still out in the fields by night watching their flocks, the event could not have been in winter, due to plunging temperatures. Still others think Dec. 25 has a valid claim on the actual event.

Spirit of the rising Son

"I believe the celebration of Christmas is a wonderful opportunity to honor Christ and share the gospel," says Rev. Jerry Falwell, chancellor of Liberty University in Virginia and one of America's best known ministers. Falwell is a staunch defender of the holiday he's celebrated for every one of the 69 years he's been alive.

"And I plan to celebrate it on the 'other side,'" he tells WorldNetDaily.

Falwell acknowledges that many of the customs associated with the observance are not found in the Bible, but he doesn't have a problem with that.

"The Christmas tree and Santa Claus don't bother me," he said. "If we can use anything to get people under the sound of the gospel, without violating Scripture, it's a good thing."

While there are some unknowns such as the exact date of birth, Falwell stresses "we do know He was born – virgin-born as the Son of God."

Yet over 2,000 years after that history-changing event, most Americans think Christ is fading from the Christmas picture, at least according to a recent poll.

When the Scripps Survey Research Center at Ohio University asked if "most people focus on the birth of Jesus at Christmas time, or has the holiday become less religious than it used to be?" only 11 percent said they believed Christmas was still about Jesus, with 87 percent responding "less religious."

Close to half of adults – 45 percent – say they personally know someone who doesn't believe in God, but still will celebrate the holiday this year; 62 percent say they'll attend a religious service on Christmas Eve or Day; and 81 percent plan to put a decorated tree in their home this year.

"Do I put up a tree? I have in the past; this year I won't," says Jose Negron, a 34-year-old Christian minister at the Stonehouse Church to the Nations in Toano, Va. Even without the tree, he still plans to celebrate Christmas.

"I grew up in America. It's an historical constant," Negron said.

Indeed, trees and their decoration have played a role in American history, even in the nation's darkest hours. In 1942, just a year after the Japanese attack on Pearl Harbor, British Prime Minister Winston Churchill came to Washington to join President Franklin Roosevelt in lighting the National Christmas Tree, a tradition started by Calvin Coolidge in 1923.

"Against enemies who preach the principles of hate and practice them, we set our faith in human love and in God's care for us all men everywhere," said Roosevelt.

Thousands of citizens turned out for the event, which was broadcast nationwide on radio in the grips of World War II.

"Let the children have their night of fun and laughter," proclaimed Churchill. "Let the gifts of Father Christmas delight their play. Let us grown-ups share to the full in their unstinted pleasures before we turn again to the stern task and formidable years that lie before us, resolved that, by our sacrifice and daring, these same children shall not be robbed of their inheritance or denied the right to live in a free and decent world."

The tree-lighting ceremonies continue to this day, with President George W. Bush having two dedications under his belt.

The history of mankind's fascination with trees long antedates World War II, the founding of America, and even the Middle Ages. Historians have found evidence of tree decoration and tree worship in places such as ancient Rome and Egypt. The Old Testament also records God's displeasure with his own people for following pagan practices involving trees:

    * "And the children of Israel did evil in the sight of the Lord, and forgat the Lord their God, and served Baalim and the groves." (Judges 3:7)

    * "For the Lord shall smite Israel ... because they have made their groves, provoking the Lord to anger." (1 Kings 14:15)

    * "For they also built them high places, and images, and groves, on every high hill, and under every green tree." (1 Kings 14:23)

In the 1800s, Alexander Hislop, a noted historian of antiquity, examined the origins of customs such as the Christmas tree and date of celebration. Writing in "The Two Babylons," Hislop maintains the practice derives from the worship of pagan deities.

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Title: Re: Christmas in America becomes battleground
Post by: Shammu on December 10, 2007, 04:10:23 PM
      The Christmas tree, now so common among us, was equally common in pagan Rome and pagan Egypt. In Egypt that tree was the palm tree; in Rome it was the fir; the palm tree denoting the pagan Messiah. ... The mother of Adonis, the sun god and great mediatorial divinity, was mystically said to have been changed into a tree, and when in that state to have brought forth her divine son. If the mother was a tree, the son must have been [recognized] as the "Man the branch." And this entirely accounts for the putting of the yule log into the fire on Christmas Eve, and the appearance of the Christmas tree the next morning. ...

      Therefore, the 25th of December, the day that was observed at Rome as the day when the victorious god reappeared on earth, was held at the Natalis invicti solis, "The birthday of the unconquered sun." Now the yule log is the dead stock of Nimrod, deified as the sun god, but cut down by his enemies; the Christmas tree is Nimrod redivivus – the slain god come to life again.

"I can count about a hundred trees, wreaths, poinsettia displays, lights, everywhere I look [in my office] complex," says Bob Sipsky, of Stuart, Fla. "Christmas gorge-as-much-food-as-you-can eat-a-ramas every day for two weeks. Enough already."

Sipsky is a Bible believer not affiliated with any organized church. He celebrated Christmas for 35 years before abandoning it, now thinking it an insult to God.

"There are clearly explained festivals that God tells us to observe, which teach how to have peace on earth, and what the true Savior requires of us," Sipsky says, "yet mankind ignores these, and prefers to make up his own festivals and traditions. Christmas is based in deception: its origins; lying to small children about Santa Claus; talking about having peace on earth while ignoring God's instructions on how to achieve it; saying it is biblical, while 99 percent of it is all about commerce and other selfish objectives. Myths and traditions do not please the God of the Bible, a right way of living does. Deception is at the top of the list of what He hates."

That anti-Christmas view is echoed by Tom Moniz of Hobe Sound, Fla. "Being a God-fearing man, I cannot honor a lie, nor do I think adopting a pagan holiday and calling it his birthday does any honor to him."

"Most of these people are killjoys," says Rev. Falwell regarding those who attack the celebration of Christmas. "Most of these tightwads just don't want to [spend] cash. ... I don't take my children or grandchildren near them."

To many Christians, Christmastime is among the most sacred times of the year, and they look to keep it that way.

"It's the reason for being a Christian, because we believe Jesus is God," says Louis Giovino, director of communications for the New York-based Catholic League, the nation's largest Catholic civil-rights organization.

With recent controversies surrounding Christmas in the public arena, the league has issued a list of guidelines to help people understand what kind of religious expression is permissible at this time of year.

Giovino admits the observance has picked up some pagan customs over the years, but says they've been "baptized" by the Church. He notes by the time of Dickens in England, the holiday took on a more raucous tone, with drinking parties and violence, and says the Protestant legislation to outlaw Christmas was in direct response to the riotous revelry.

"The Puritans weren't into celebrating anything," he said.

Giovino stresses the important part of Christmas is the larger picture of the Christian message, the belief that "the Word became flesh."

"It's not like saying 'Happy birthday, Jesus!'" he exclaimed. "I think personally Christmas is ridiculous without Christ. Otherwise, we might as well celebrate the winter solstice as pagans."

The baby with the bathwater?

With the extremes on Christmas observance ranging from total holiday indulgence to complete abstention, there are plenty of people who seek middle ground. Pastor Richard Bucher of the Trinity Lutheran Church in Clinton, Mass., is one of them, asserting celebrating Christmas is not pagan.

"It's laudable that certain Christians care so much about pleasing God to ask the question if it's right," Bucher told WorldNetDaily, "but a lot of arguments they're making are just not sound. They end up placing guilt on Christians celebrating Christmas and do a real disservice."

On his church website, Bucher addresses examples such as the tree decorated with silver and gold in Jeremiah's 10th chapter, and explains upon close examination, it does not refer to anything like a Christmas tree.

"The very next verse, 10:5, goes on to say, 'Like a scarecrow in a melon patch, their idols cannot speak; they must be carried because they cannot walk. Do not fear them; they can do no harm nor can they do any good.' This passage and the passages that follow make it crystal clear that the 'decorated tree' that Jeremiah was talking about in 10:3-4, was a tree that was cut down and made into an idol, a very common custom in the ancient world."

"Just because heathens took something God has created for good," he asks, "does that mean such things are off limits [to Christians] permanently?"

He says many have invented sin where God has not said that something is sinful, and adds the issue boils down to what exactly is meant by "Christmas."

"Is it thanking God for the birth of the Savior, or everything that people do associated with it? People just lump everything together."

Despite all the conflict, some believers have little problem with the controversies over Christmas; in fact, they rejoice in them.

"Those who would attempt to take Christ out of Christmas are fighting a losing battle," says Joan Driscoll of Ft. Lauderdale, Fla. "The harder they try, the stronger the holy message and meaning of Jesus' birth becomes. The heavenly voices of the angels singing 'Alleluia' will easily drown out the guttural tones of the dissenters."


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 10, 2007, 07:06:23 PM
Quote
celebrating Christmas is not pagan

1Co 3:19  For the wisdom of this world is foolishness with God. For it is written, He taketh the wise in their own craftiness.
1Co 3:20  And again, The Lord knoweth the thoughts of the wise, that they are vain.
1Co 3:21  Therefore let no man glory in men. For all things are yours;
1Co 3:22  Whether Paul, or Apollos, or Cephas, or the world, or life, or death, or things present, or things to come; all are yours;
1Co 3:23  And ye are Christ's; and Christ is God's.

Col 1:16  For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
Col 1:17  And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight...


God made the rainbow and gave it to us as a sign of a promise that He would not destroy the earth with a flood the magnitude of that of Noah's time. It is now being used to represent an abomination to God. Should we now reject the rainbow and forget why it was made?

God made all trees that are pleasant to the sight. Should we reject them because they were given a pagan meaning that is against God?

Christmas has it's pagan rituals as well, but should we ignore the meaning it has to Christians and our thankfulness to God for sending us His son?



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on December 10, 2007, 08:37:24 PM

I'm surprised that the Al Gore group aren't trying to push euthanasia and assisted suicide as being good for helping stop global warming, on account of all the CO2 that people release.

Not to mention all that body heat!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on December 10, 2007, 08:45:09 PM
Course you know I got to say something on this...........

Since when are Christians supposed to bring the things of the world into the Church in order to appeal to the unsaved? Is that how Jesus appealed to the unsaved? What about the apostles?

This game is rated "M" for blood, gore, violence, and language. They say they don't endorse the game, but if they don't endorse it, why use it as their method of outreach? There are other ways to appeal to gamers and the rest of the unsaved that do not involve using something violent and worldly in order to catch their attention.

There is something wrong with the Church hosting gatherings to play violent, bloody, video games in hopes of appealing to the unsaved.

Or why not install a bar and offer free beer to get the "drinking" crowd inside, and then put in some Victoria secret catalogs for the youth Sunday school classes so they will join the church? After all, it would be a wonderful conversation piece.

I'm sorry but, in Church (mine) I don't need this garbage. I stand upon God's Word, thats all thats really needed. Yes we do have coffee services, for the early birds. That starts at 7:00 in the morning, for those that may have to work.

Okay now y'all can tell me to shut up.

Hey, you're making sense to me!  Whats the matter with church just being church?  Preach the good news and teach the bible?
This church is giving validity to worldly behaviour and sending the message that it's okay.  Why not just give the kids a ticket to hell and call it good?


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on December 11, 2007, 09:25:39 AM
Perhaps it's their version of Chinas population control?



Brother,

I've thought about this many times. This is actually a DRIVING force to encourage more immoral, abnormal, and abominable behavior. We have a once great country founded on morals and GOD - plain and simple. However, a substantial portion of the population have turned their backs on GOD. Maybe it boils down to a simple question like this:  how many have been given over to the devil for destruction? How many more will go down the path of destruction, and who cares? The "who cares" part of the question is very troubling when you consider the fact that evil forces want to start indoctrinating our children at age 5. This sounds like a bad horror movie, but this is exactly what's happening right now. The number of people dying with dreaded diseases isn't large enough, and there isn't proper respect for the behavior that caused those dreaded diseases.

Christians should already have the answer to this growing problem:  NO! - Take your filthy obscene garbage elsewhere! We will NOT tolerate it! There is a recent example that almost defies explanation. Videos were taken at the latest gay pride parade in San Francisco of nudity and open sexual acts on a public street. This type of behavior was the norm instead of the exception, and the police watched these acts. Nothing was done and a group is trying to address this horrible public spectacle. They are having trouble finding any entity willing to do anything about it, even though they have video of many crimes being committed in front of CHILDREN and the POLICE. NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE YET! Further, they can't even find a public official at any level to verbally condemn this behavior - much less file charges. There isn't a SINGLE RESPONSIBLE official at the city, county, or state level willing to address this problem in any way at all. A society of baboons would have more dignity and responsibility than this! AND, they want to teach our children to behave like this! We would be better off by going to the jungle and joining a society of baboons!


Title: Teen girl in critical condition after alleged dispute over hijab
Post by: Shammu on December 11, 2007, 11:58:43 AM
Teen girl in critical condition after alleged dispute over hijab
Posted: December 11, 2007, 4:00 AM by Barry Hertz
Crime

UPDATE:  Aqsa Parvez has reportedly died.

Chris Wattie filed this earlier story:

A 16-year-old girl is in critical condition after being choked by a man believed to be her father, apparently after a dispute with her family over her refusal to wear the hijab, the Islamic headscarf worn by some Muslim women.

Peel Regional Police arrested a 57-year-old man yesterday morning after receiving a 911 call from a suburban home in Mississauga from a man saying he had killed his daughter. When police and paramedics arrived at the house they found a 16-year-old lying on the floor without any vital signs, police said.

Constable J.P. Valade, a spokesman for Peel police, would not release the names of either the victim or the man arrested and would not give any details about what transpired inside the large, two-storey home in a well-to-do subdivision.

“We are not getting into the details of her injuries at this time,” he said. “We aren’t getting into any details about this case. This investigation is really in its infancy: officers are still canvassing the neighbourhood and talking to family members.”

However, early police reports indicated the teenager had been choked and that the attacker was her father.

The girl was rushed to Credit Valley Hospital and later transferred to the Hospital for Sick Children, where she was listed in critical condition last night with life-threatening injuries.

Her condition is so grave that police have not yet charged the man arrested at the scene until they know whether he will be charged with murder or attempted murder. He was scheduled to appear in Brampton court on Tuesday.

Friends of the teenager, a Grade 11 student at nearby Applewood Heights high school, identified her as Aqsa Parvez and said they were shocked by the attack on the outgoing, likeable girl, but said she had been threatened by her strictly religious family before.

“She got threatened by her father and her brother,” said Dominiquia Holmes-Thompson, who had known Aqsa since they both started high school together. “He said that if she leaves, he would kill her.”

Ebonie Mitchell, 16, another friend of the victim, said the conflict with her father over wearing Islamic dress came to a head at the beginning of this school year. “She just wanted to dress like we do,” she said.

“Last year she wore like the Islamic stuff and everything, the hijab, and this year she’s all Western. She just wanted to look like everyone else. And I guess her dad had a problem with that.”

Ebonie said her friend had left home once before, in September, for about two weeks. She returned home, but the fights with her family over what she wore just got worse.

Dominiquia, 16, said her friend had been arguing with her father for more than a year over the restrictions he imposed on her, including demanding that she wear the hijab at all times. “She wanted to go out with her friends, hang out and just be like a normal person,” she said. “But he was always trying to control her ... he wouldn’t let her go out or do anything.”

The stricken girl’s friends said the fights with her father got so bad that she had left the family home to live with friends about a week ago. “She was going back, but just to get her stuff,” said friend Krista Garbutt. “She was scared to go home, but she had to get her clothes and stuff.”

Neighbours said as many as 11 people lived in the home, which was sealed off by crime scene tape and surrounded by police cars yesterday, all members of an extended Pakistani family. Const. Valade confirmed that there were other people in the home when the teenager was attacked.

“I didn’t really know any of them,” said one woman, who would not give her name. “There were a lot of them living in that house, always coming and going. They didn’t talk to me, maybe just to say hello once in a while. That’s all.”

The home where the teen was attacked is the listed address of Muhammad Parvez, a Mississauga cab driver. “He was Muslim and very devout, very observant,” said one of his fellow drivers at Mississauga’s Blue and White Taxi, who did not want his name used. “He was always stopping to take breaks and pray: three, four times a day.”

His eldest son, also named Muhammad, also worked as a cab driver and lived in the family home with his wife and at least one child, the driver said. Several people inside the home were questioned by police before being allowed to leave.

Neighbours said the family moved in just over a year ago.

Teen girl in critical condition after alleged dispute over hijab (http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/toronto/archive/2007/12/10/teen-girl-in-critical-condition-after-alleged-dispute-over-hijab.aspx)


Title: Re: Teen girl in critical condition after alleged dispute over hijab
Post by: Shammu on December 11, 2007, 12:08:36 PM
It's time that Canada, makes it very clear that the law in Canada is a secular one. That while Canadians accept the  beliefs of other cultures, they should not tolerate the enforcement of any law other than Canadian.  Canada has made it clear in the past that they will not support sharia law in Canada.

I get tired of hearing from muslims they are a peaceful religion, when they are nothing but THUGS and TERRORIST!!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 14, 2007, 11:39:38 AM
Abortionist tells med students he has 'license to lie'
Doc responsible for several women's deaths admits barely washing hands between clients

A video of an abortion practitioner is making its way across the Internet featuring a November appearance by Alberto Hodari at Wayne State University in Michigan. The campus pro-abortion organization invited him to speak and Hodari tells them his status as an abortion practitioner gives him license to lie to women.

Hodari gave the local Medical Students for Choice group a talk entitled, "Why I Am An Abortion Provider" to motivate the pro-abrotion medical students.

The national pro-life student group Students for Life of America obtained a copy of the speech, in which Hodari says, "I have great satisfaction of what I do, and I never feel bad or worried about doing abortions."

Hodari also spoke about how little he washed between abortions because it chafed his hands, even though his doing so puts women's health at risk.

Most upsetting to SFLA director Kristan Hawkins is Hodari's claim that being an abortion practitioner gives him "license to lie" to women who seek him out for abortions.

"To hear Hodari speak, one wonders if Michigan is the third world," Hawkins says in a statement she provided LifeNews.com. "Planned Parenthood complains about 'back-alley' abortions, even though Hodari is running a business where he's barely washing his hands between abortions."

Ashley Tyndall, the president of the pro-life student group, noted that Hodari is responsible for multiple women's deaths from his legal abortions.

"Several women have died while getting abortions with Hodari, and yet the Michigan board of health has never investigated him," she said. "How many women have to die before the bureaucrats start telling Hodari to wash his hands and tell patients the truth."

Hodari was responsible for the abortion death of 15 year-old African-American teenager Tamia Russell.

Taisha Glenn, the sister of Russell's 24-year-old boyfriend, Stacy Glenn, had taken Russell to the abortion facility on January 7, 2004 without permission or notifying Russell's mother or guardian.

Glenn and Russell went to five other abortion facilities before coming to WomanCare, Hodari's abortion center.

Tamiia used an identification card with another woman's picture to state she was 19, as abortions cannot be performed on minors in Michigan without parental consent.

The woman in the picture ID looked nothing like Russell -- but the abortion was done anyway.

The facility gotcha11lly inserted laminaria, a seaweed used to begin dilation. Russell was sent home, where she confessed to her family that she was pregnant and had begun the abortion procedure.

When her mother and aunt called WomanCare, they said the abortion could not be stopped once the laminaria is inserted.

Russell's mother drove her daughter to the abortion facility the next day to finish the abortion, which was performed by Alberto Hodari. Upon her return home, she experienced severe bleeding -- "so much so she soaked an entire mattress," her family told LifeNews.com.

WomanCare told her family that such bleeding was "normal" following an abortion, and not to take her to the hospital.

Concerned for Russell, the family called paramedics who rushed her to Sinai-Grace Hospital. Russell died on the way to the Hospital.

Hodari has also come under fire for misusing the drug Digoxin in abortions.


Title: Preacher Says Islam Isn't Against Christmas
Post by: Shammu on December 15, 2007, 11:33:45 PM
Preacher Says Islam Isn't Against Christmas

Father Cantalamessa Delivers Advent Meditation

VATICAN CITY - Secularism, not Islam, is behind the war on Christmas, according to the preacher of the Pontifical Household in an Advent sermon.

Capuchin Father Raniero Cantalamessa said this today in his second Advent meditation in the presence of Benedict XVI and his aides in the Roman Curia in the Redemptoris Mater Chapel of the Apostolic Palace.

The priest said the "cultural derision, or at least marginalization, of religious beliefs with the campaign in different European countries and cities against the religious symbols of Christmas."

The preacher said: "The reason often given for this is the desire to not offend persons of other religions among us, especially the Muslims.

"But it is a pretext, an excuse. In reality it is not the Muslims who do not want these symbols but a certain non-believing group in society. Muslims have nothing against the Christian celebration of Christmas, indeed, they honor it."

"We have arrived at a rather absurd juncture: On the one hand, many Muslims celebrate the birth of Jesus and want a crèche in their home and say that 'those who do not believe in the miraculous birth of Jesus are not Muslim,'" Father Cantalamessa said.

"And on the other hand, there are many who call themselves Christians who want to make Christmas a 'winter festival' populated only by reindeer and teddy bears," he continued.

To make his point, Father Cantalamessa commented that the Koran even speaks of the Annunciation.

He also mentioned an article published Dec. 18 in Italy entitled "We Muslims Say Yes to the Crèche," written by Muslim journalist Magdi Allan, deputy director of Il Corriere della Sera.

The article states: "Christmas unites Christians and Muslims. For Islam the figures of Jesus and of Mary are very important and mentioned on several occasions in the Koran itself.

"Therefore, I don't see why Muslim children cannot sing the carols."

Preacher Says Islam Isn't Against Christmas (http://www.zenit.org/article-18517?l=english)


Title: Pope's Response to 138 Muslim Scolars
Post by: Shammu on December 15, 2007, 11:35:44 PM
Pope's Response to 138 Muslim Scolars


(29 Nov 07 - RV) Pope Benedict XVI has replied to the letter written by 138 Muslim scholars to Christian Leaders, inviting a group of them to meet with him here in the Vatican.

The letter is addressed to Jordanian Prince Ghazi bin Muhammad bin Talal, and signed by Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone. In it the Pope expresses his deep appreciation for the positive spirit which inspired the text from Muslim scholars and its call for a common commitment to promoting peace in the world.
 While it is important not to ignore or down play the difference between Christians and Muslims, the Pope says “we can and therefore should look to what unites us, namely, belief in the one God, the provident Creator and universal Judge”.

Reiterating his words to representatives of Some Muslim Communities in Cologne, at the beginning of his pontificate, the pope stressed “we must not yield to the negative pressures in our midst, but must affirm the values of mutual respect, solidarity and peace. Adding there is plenty of scope for acting together in the service of fundamental moral values”.

“The common ground between the two faiths”, he says “allows us to base dialogue on respect for the dignity of every human person on the objective knowledge of the other’s religion, on the sharing of religious experience and, finally, on common commitment to promoting mutual respect and acceptance among the younger generation”.
 The letter concludes with an invitation to the Jordanian Prince and to a select group of the Muslim signatories for a papal audience to encourage such initiatives.

The Pope also proposes setting up meetings between the Muslim scholars and Vatican organisations such as the Pontifical council for Inter Religious Dialogue, the Pontifical Institute for Arabic and Islamic Studies and the Pontifical Gregorian University.

Pope's Response to 138 Muslim Scolars (http://www.oecumene.radiovaticana.org/en1/Articolo.asp?c=170568)


Title: Vatican nativity does away with the manger
Post by: Shammu on December 15, 2007, 11:39:01 PM
Vatican nativity does away with the manger

By Malcolm Moore in Rome
Last Updated: 3:35pm GMT 14/12/2007

For 25 years, the Christmas Nativity scene in front of St Peter's Basilica has shown the infant Jesus in a manger in Bethlehem.

This year, however, the Vatican has decided to radically change the scene, shifting it to Nazareth, and placing Jesus in his father's carpentry shop.
    
When Pope Benedict XVI inaugurates the life-size Nativity scene on Christmas eve, the sheep and hay will be gone.

In their place will be a model of three rooms.

Jesus will lie in Joseph's shop, complete with "the typical work tools of a carpenter".

On one side, the shop will be flanked with a "covered patio", while on the other there will be the "inside of a pub, with its hearth".

The news came in an official statement from the State Department of the Vatican, which organises and builds the giant presepe, or Nativity scene.

The new setting was inspired by two verses in St Matthew's gospel, Chapter 1:24 and 1:25, the Vatican said, which state: "When Joseph woke up, he did as the Angel of God ordered and took Mary into his house. Without them knowing each other, a child was born and he called his name Jesus".

The gospel goes on to mention Jesus' birthplace as Bethlehem, but a spokesman for the Vatican said a decision had been made to place the scene in Nazareth regardless.
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"It was time for a change," said the spokesman "and a return to St Matthew's gospel".

The traditional depiction of Jesus in a manger comes from St Luke's gospel, which said there was "no room at the inn".

But it is Matthew's gospel which forms the basis for the Angelus prayer, and the view of Jesus in a carpenter's workshop matches the Franciscan tradition.

None of the three Vatican departments which organises the Nativity scene could comment on who had taken the decision to shift the location, or for what reason.

However, sources close to the Vatican said there was a desire to crack down on the various "fanciful Nativity scenes" that have sprung up in recent years.

In Naples, a number of Nativity scenes include notorious figures from today, such as Elvis Presley or Silvio Berlusconi, standing amongst the crowd adoring the infant Jesus.

The Nativity scene at St Peter's was started by Pope John Paul II in 1982.

In addition, a giant, fully-adorned Christmas tree has been erected in St Peter's Square.

Meanwhile, the Catholic Church has said that it was its "right and duty" to spread the word of Christ to non-believers.

A new document from the Vatican's doctrinal department rejected accusations that the Church aggressively converts its members.

The Russian Orthodox Church has accused Rome of trying to poach souls in the former Soviet Union. However, the Vatican said evangelisation was its "inalienable right and duty".

"The incorporation of new members into the Church is not the expansion of a power group, but rather entrance into the network of friendship with Christ which connects heaven and earth, different continents and age.

"It is entrance into the gift of communion with Christ," the document said.

Vatican nativity does away with the manger (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2007/12/14/wrome114.xml)


Title: Vatican defends its 'right to spread its message'
Post by: Shammu on December 15, 2007, 11:43:38 PM
Vatican defends its 'right to spread its message'
Associated Press
THE JERUSALEM POST
Dec. 14, 2007

The Vatican, which has been accused of aggressively seeking souls in Russia and some other countries, said Friday it has every right to spread its message and accept converts but that non-Catholics must never be forced to embrace the faith.

The Vatican's doctrinal office issued guidelines on the missionary policy of the Roman Catholic Church, saying there is "growing confusion which leads many to leave the missionary command of the Lord unheard and ineffective."

"Often is it maintained that any attempt to convince others on religious matters is a limitation of their freedom," said the document issued by the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

With the fall of Communism and subsequent end to bars on religious practice across Eastern Europe, the Russian Orthodox Church has accused Catholics of improperly seeking converts in traditionally Orthodox areas - a claim the Vatican has always rejected.

Roman Catholics have also faced tensions in several states in India, accused by Hindu nationalists of aggressive attempts to convert Hindus.

The Vatican restated its position that the church "severely prohibits forcing people to embrace the faith or leading or enticing them by improper technique; by the same token, she also strongly defends the right that no one be deterred from the faith by deplorable ill treatment."

The document did not cite particular countries, but it did indirectly refer to Orthodox areas and said "true respect for the tradition and spiritual riches" of such countries is required.

It also said that should a non-Catholic Christian seek to become a Catholic "this is to be respected as the work of the Holy Spirit and as an expression of freedom of conscience and religion."

Vatican defends its 'right to spread its message' (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847338628&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter)


Title: Grant European Jews Refugee Status
Post by: Shammu on December 16, 2007, 05:19:00 PM
Grant European Jews Refugee Status
By:  Elliot Resnick


Reflecting Jewish concern over European anti-Semitism, New York State Assemblyman Dov Hikind last week called on the federal government to grant refugee status to Jews from such countries as Belgium, Germany, France and England.

"Incidents of anti-Semitism in all of these countries has gone through the roof," Hikind told 300 assembled guests at the New York Association for New Americans (NYANA) dinner at Manhattan’s Pierre Hotel.

"They have not had numbers like this since 1938," he said.

Hikind cited recent Anti-Defamation League polls showing that 44 percent of Europeans believe that Jews talk too much about the Holocaust, 35 percent believe that Jews have too much power in the business world, and 20 percent blame Jews for Jesus’s death.

Rep. Edolphus Towns (D-N.Y.), an honoree at the dinner, said he would help Hikind in his campaign.

"We have to do whatever we can to protect people," he told The Jewish Press. "Injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere and I think that we cannot sit silent in the United States of America and know that these things are going on and not try and do something about it."

New York City Comptroller William C. Thompson said in his brief remarks that Hikind is someone "who always speaks from the heart and speaks about convictions and principles."

NYANA was founded in 1949 as a resettlement agency for Jewish Holocaust refugees. In its 58 years, NYANA has helped Greek, Egyptian, Rumanian, Cuban, Czechoslovakian, Polish, former Soviet Union, Ethiopian, Iranian, and Syrian Jewish refugees as well as refugees from Uganda, Vietnam, and Tibet – over 500,000 refugees from 147 countries.

The son of refugees himself, Hikind traveled to Europe in June 2007 to gauge the anti-Semitic atmosphere firsthand.

"It was shocking," he said. "I can give you the quotes from leaders of Jewish communities in Berlin, Antwerp and Paris who told us, ‘There is no future for Jews in these countries.’ I was mobbed by people outside of the synagogue [in Paris] pleading with me, ‘Can you do anything to make it easier for us to come to America?’ And these people have good jobs."

Nevertheless, Hikind told The Jewish Press, he’s "realistic" that U.S. recognition of European Jews as refugees would be very difficult to accomplish.

"But I want to create the debate," he said. "I want to create the discussion."

Grant European Jews Refugee Status (http://www.jewishpress.com/displayContent_new.cfm?contentid=26794&mode=a&sectionid=1&contentname=Hikind%3A_Grant_European_Jews_Refugee_Status&recnum=1)


Title: Free people should condemn use of psychiatric hospitals to punish dissent in Ru
Post by: Shammu on December 16, 2007, 05:24:28 PM
 Free people should condemn use of psychiatric hospitals to punish dissent in Russia

Governments, psychiatric and journalism organizations around the globe should be protesting Russia's return to throwing political dissenters into psychiatric hospitals.
This is an old Soviet-era tactic to intimidate and punish anyone who tries to raise a voice against the ruling establishment. It was common back in the days when current Russian President Vladimir Putin worked as an officer in the KGB, the Soviet secret police.

Although the Soviet era is over, Russia's move toward democracy in the 1990s under former president Boris Yeltsin has been halted and pushed backward under the authoritarian rule of Putin, whose appeal is to Russian nationalism, rather than old-time communism.

A number of Russian journalists whose work exposed problems in Russia have been assassinated during Putin's presidency, and some suspect Putin is behind the deaths.

A story reported yesterday by the Associated Press told how 20-year-old Artem Basyrov, an activist with the opposition National Bolshevik Party in the Other Russia coalition, was picked up by authorities on Nov. 23 in advance of planned demonstrations and thrown into a psychiatric hospital, where he remains.

Nine months in a psychiatric hospital was the price paid by Andrei Novikov, a reporter for a news service connected with the Chechen separatists. Other Russia coalition activist Larisa Arap was held for six weeks in a psychiatric hospital for her journalism work critical of the government, the AP story noted.

However correct, or even misguided, critics of Putin's government may be, it is unconscionable to force them into psychiatric hospitals.

Years of keeping a spotlight on such human rights violations by the former Soviet Union helped keep hope alive for dissidents and helped bring about the collapse of Soviet tyranny. That spotlight is needed today.

Freedom is every person's right, and no government should be able to deny that right because people speak freely in dissent. Putin's heavy-handed regime is violating the human rights of those who are being killed or being imprisoned in psychiatric hospitals. It is a terrible, tragic and dangerous step backward in history for Russians.

Free people should condemn use of psychiatric hospitals to punish dissent in Russia (http://www.zwire.com/site/printerFriendly.cfm?brd=1699&dept_id=46368&newsid=19117711)
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More on this story at.....

http://www.wane.com/global/story.asp?s=7497887

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=502382&in_page_id=1811

http://news.independent.co.uk/europe/article3253089.ece



Title: Antisemitic Nativity scene sells like hotcakes in UK
Post by: Shammu on December 16, 2007, 05:41:24 PM
Antisemitic Nativity scene sells like hotcakes in UK

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By Stan Goodenough
December 12, 2007

A rabidly antisemitic "Christian" charity organization in England is selling specially modified nativity scenes in the run-up to Christmas this year.

Amos Trust is also spewing a whole lot of slander in a special "Bethlehem Christmas Pack" available from its website.

According to a report by CNS News, the nativity model being sold by the Amos Trust is of Bethlehem at the time of Jesus' birth, with a wall running through the town.

Made by Arabs in Bethlehem, it is meant to depict the security fence Israel has been erecting in order to safeguard its citizens from Palestinian terrorists infiltrating from what the world calls the "West Bank."

Amos Trust says that the wall in its nativity scene will ensure that "the wise men won't get to the stable."

Demand for this model is high, it crows. The first batch is already sold out.

The anti-Israel inference is clear, and echoes similar sentiments echoed at Christmas time in past years.

Israel's enemies in the west - among whom the British rank near the top - often accuse Israel of destroying the "spirit of Christmas."

"If Mary and Joseph tried to enter Bethlehem today Israel's soldiers would turn them away," goes one line of slander.

Vistors to the Amos Trust website can read about how Israel has "taken the land" from the Palestinian Arabs - a bald-faced lie. They can learn that the "Israeli occupation" is a modern-day version of the Roman occupation of Judea in the time of Christ.

Also available to download, free of charge, is a song called "They've cancelled Christmas in Bethlehem."

As the lyrics tell us, "they" are the Israelis who have "locked the little town behind a ghetto wall" and are preventing its people from hearing the singing angels in the "land that is no longer holy."

"And if our Christmas songs and prayers are not to be in vain, we must pull down that wall that is strangling Bethlehem. ... They've stopped the wise men at the checkpoint. ... If peace on earth is to come, the wall must fall."

Two small but proactive British branches of Jerusalem-based Christian organizations have protested the actions of the Amos Trust.

A spokesman for the UK branch of Christian Friends of Israel decried "attempts to make one-sided political capital out of the Bethlehem story."

Geoffrey Smith stressed that "[n]obody wants a security barrier but so long as terrorists continue to threaten the lives of Jews and of Arabs in Israel, the people there have to defend themselves in ways that will stop the bombers."

The London office of the Bridges for Peace organization echoed this statement.

Antisemitic Nativity scene sells like hotcakes in UK (http://www.jnewswire.com/article/2265)


Title: Re: Antisemitic Nativity scene sells like hotcakes in UK
Post by: Shammu on December 16, 2007, 05:43:13 PM
I think Christ would be very saddened to see what is supposed to be a depiction of His arrival on Earth to save mankind (those who accept that gift, anyway) turned into a cheap political statement.

Maybe they should add little prisons to it to show the poor poor terrorists trapped too. ::)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 16, 2007, 05:49:42 PM
It's just more islam propaganda that is trying to create more dissension. islam does not recognize Christmas just as they do not recognize Jesus Christ for who he truly is and if they had their way it would not be celebrated anywhere in the world. So of course they are going to denigrate it in the manner that this nativity scene does.



Title: Millions ready to greet Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico
Post by: Shammu on December 16, 2007, 05:54:04 PM
Millions ready to greet Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico

By DUDLEY ALTHAUS
Copyright 2007 Houston Chronicle

MEXICO CITY — As they have for nearly five centuries, millions of Mexicans were preparing to greet the dawn by worshipping the Virgin of Guadalupe, the dark-skinned manifestation of Jesus Christ's mother who won this nation for the Roman Catholic faith.

"She is our protector," said Concepcion Dominguez, 53, who was doing a brisk business Tuesday selling statues of the Virgin, rosaries and other religious items outside a 16th-century Catholic church in southern Mexico City. "As long as she is with us, we are going to be well, both spiritually and physically."

Not all Mexicans agree with her, as many continue to abandon Catholicism here.

But if recent history holds true, the yawning shrine to the Virgin near downtown Mexico City will be packed at sunrise with 1 million people, offering thanks for mercies granted or those yet to come.

Many of the believers will have walked for hours from outlying towns or from adjoining states as a sign of their devotion. Some will have crawled the last hundreds of yards on their knees to the same purpose. All will have shivered in the nighttime cold to be sure to greet the Virgin at sunrise.

Across Mexico, neighborhoods, towns and families were holding their own rites through the night. Fireworks pierced the darkened sky in the Virgin's honor, shattering the stillness.

"She is the mother of all Mexicans," said Raul Trejo, an auto parts salesman whose family erects a home shrine to the Virgin and celebrates every year. "We all adore her."

Well, not quite all, not really anymore.

Conversions syphon faithful

Worship of the Virgin survived nearly 150 years of successive Mexican governments' official hostility to the Roman Catholic Church. But in recent decades, as millions here have converted to various evangelical faiths, her following has come to be viewed by many as idolatry.

"We respect the faith people have in the Virgin, but we really don't believe in those kinds of things," said Ricardo Sevilla, a spokesman for the Universal Church of the Kingdom of God, a Brazil-based Protestant denomination that has two large churches in poor Mexico City neighborhoods and 110 others nationwide.

"The Catholic Church used her to win over the people," Sevilla said. "We see these things more as a matter of sociology than of faith."

The faithful believe the Virgin appeared 476 years ago to the Indian peasant Juan Diego on a hilltop called Tepeyac, near what had been the capital of the Aztec Empire. Tepeyac had been a shrine to Tonantzin, the Aztec fertility goddess.

The Virgin referred to herself as the "snake crusher," using an Aztec name that sounded much like Guadalupe, a village in Spain. Perhaps not coincidentally, Quetzalcoatl, or the "Plumed Serpent," was a principal god of the Aztecs and other indigenous nations.

The Virgin assured Juan Diego that God's love was for the vanquished as well as for the conqueror.

"Am I not your Mother?" the Virgin is quoted as asking. "Are you not sheltered underneath my mantle, under the embrace of my arms?"

The ensuing cult of the Dark Virgin enabled the Catholic Church to quickly convert millions of indigenous, who had until then resisted the conquering Spaniards and their creed.

Through the nearly half a millennium since, devotion to the Virgin became an anchor of national identity, an article of faith in a population that at least nominally loyal to the Vatican.

Still a strong icon

The "Guadalupe event," as some Catholic leaders call it, ensured that "Christ's message, through his Mother, took up the central elements of indigenous culture, purified them, and gave them a definitive sense of salvation," recalled Pope John Paul II here in 2002 while marking Juan Diego's canonization.

Juan Diego, the pope said then, "facilitated the fruitful meeting of two worlds and became the catalyst for a new Mexican identity."

Both here and in ethnic Mexican neighborhoods north of the border, the Virgin's image hangs in churches and homes, is tattooed onto countless bodies.

Shrines to her adorn street corners and rural roads, taxi stands and factory floors. Despite the growing ranks of doubters, the Dark Virgin likely will remain a Mexican touchstone for years to come.

The Virgin is "the consolation of the poor, the shield of the weak, the help of the oppressed," the late poet Octavio Paz wrote in the Labyrinth of Solitude nearly five decades ago. "She is the Mother of orphans."

Millions ready to greet Virgin of Guadalupe in Mexico (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/world/5370732.html)


Title: Catholic leader rejects 'Jewish state'
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2007, 04:46:46 PM
Catholic leader rejects 'Jewish state'
Associated Press
THE JERUSALEM POST
Dec. 19, 2007

Israel's identity as a Jewish state discriminates against non-Jews, the Holy Land's top Roman Catholic clergyman said in a pre-Christmas address on Wednesday.

"If there's a state of one religion, other religions are naturally discriminated against," Latin Patriarch Michel Sabbah told reporters at the annual press conference he holds in Jerusalem before the Christian holiday.

In his address, which he read in Arabic and English, Sabbah said Israel should abandon its Jewish character in favor of a "political, normal state for Christians, Muslims and Jews."

"This land cannot be exclusive for anyone," he said.

With his statements Wednesday, Sabbah, a longtime advocate of the Palestinian cause, waded into a debate that has marred the fledgling peace negotiations between Israelis and Palestinians.

Israel has defined itself as the homeland of the Jewish people since it was established in 1948. The Palestinians, however, refuse to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, saying that would mean Palestinian refugees who lost their homes after Israel's creation would not have the right to return.

Israel opposes any return of refugees, for fear they would eventually outnumber the Jewish majority. Israeli leaders recently demanded that Palestinians recognize Israel's Jewish character as part of peace talks that got under way last week, but the Palestinians have rejected the call.

Aryeh Mekel, a spokesman for Israel's foreign ministry, had no immediate comment.

Sabbah, who has been the Latin Patriarch of Jerusalem since 1987, is the first Palestinian to hold the post and is frequently critical of Israel.

He also lashed out at Israel for visa restrictions he said were unfair to Christian clergy. "A state in this land must...be open to welcoming to all believers of other religions," he said.

According to the Jerusalem Center for Jewish-Christian Relations, there are an estimated 170,000 Christians in Israel, the West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

Catholic leader rejects 'Jewish state' (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1196847383057&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter)


Title: Coach Turned Holiday Display Into Porn
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2007, 04:49:26 PM
Coach Turned Holiday Display Into Porn

Tuesday , December 18, 2007

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A coach in Georgia is facing charges after police said he drove middle school students on a Christmas vandalism spree that left some plastic reindeer in X-rated sexual positions, CBS46.com reports.

John Scott Hayes, 46, of Marietta, Ga., has been charged with criminal trespass for unlawful purposes, contributing to the delinquency of minors and reckless conduct.

Cobb County police said Hayes drove students around in the back of his pickup truck on Dec. 8, while they vandalized Christmas decorations.

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The vandalism occurred before midnight in an east Cobb neighborhood. Authorities said inflatables were deflated and displays were damaged.

Hayes offered to replace an inflatable display that was damaged, one homeowner said.

The woman said she was glad Hayes accepted responsibility to tell her what happened but said it's "just awful that a grown man is driving kids around to trespass to commit property damages."

Coach Turned Holiday Display Into Porn (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,317271,00.html)


Title: Pope's talks with Muslims scares al Qaeda: Vatican
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2007, 06:00:28 PM
Pope's talks with Muslims scares al Qaeda: Vatican
Tue Dec 18, 2007 12:05pm EST

By Phil Stewart

VATICAN CITY (Reuters) - The Vatican on Tuesday rejected condemnation by al Qaeda of a historic meeting between Pope Benedict and Saudi Arabia's King Abdullah, saying the militants were afraid of inter-religious dialogue.

Al Qaeda's second-in-command, Ayman al-Zawahri, referred to Benedict as a Pontiff who had "insulted Islam and Muslims" and criticized King Abdullah's meeting with him last month.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi said Zawahri's video-taped comments, posted on the Internet on Sunday, showed al Qaeda's was worried about the implications of the meeting - the first between a Pope and a Saudi monarch.

The Pope was also pursuing dialogue with a group of prominent Muslim scholars, including Jordanian Prince Ghazi bin Mohammad bin Talal, Lombardi noted.

"These people want dialogue and are working toward peace," Lombardi said. "This worries those who don't want dialogue."

Zawahri has previously denounced the Pope for a speech he made last year at a university in his native Germany, when the Pontiff used a quote that associated Islam with violence.

Muslims around the world complained about the speech, but the Pope said he was misunderstood and has several times expressed his esteem for Muslims.

In the latest message, Zawahri noted that Saudi Arabia's Grand Mufti Sheikh Abdel-Aziz Al al-Sheikh was quick to condemn jihad in Iraq but not the Saudi king's visit with Benedict.

"Wouldn't have it been more appropriate for this mufti who rules according to the school of Bush to reproach his so-called guardian (King Abdullah) for his visit with the Pope," Zawahri asked, quoted by U.S. terrorism monitoring organization IntelCenter.

"Is this how the moderate creed and confrontation of polytheism is supposed to be?", he added.

Lombardi said the entire episode showed that dialogue and pursuit of peace were "gaining more weight and this is undoubtedly a positive factor".

Pope's talks with Muslims scares al Qaeda: Vatican (http://www.reuters.com/articlePrint?articleId=USKRA86130820071218)


Title: Arabs Desecrate Grave of Biblical Prime Minister Joshua
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2007, 06:20:26 PM
Arabs Desecrate Grave of Biblical Prime Minister Joshua
by Ezra HaLevi

Jewish worshippers Tuesday were stunned to find Arabs had desecrated the graves of the Biblical Joshua, Caleb and Nun (Joshua’s father).

Joshua served as the Jewish Nation's Prime Minister from the year 2488 until 2516 on the Hebrew calendar (1272 BCE - 1300 BCE).

Members of the One Shechem organization that organizes visits to the graves arrived in the village of Timnat (Kifl) Haress, near Ariel in Samaria, to prepare for a special prayer gathering, discovered that Arab vandals had desecrated the village’s Jewish tombs.  The tombs of Yehoshua (Joshua) ben Nun, Nun, and Calev (Caleb) ben Yefuneh were covered with garbage and feces – both human and animal, and anti-Semitic and Nazi slogans and symbols had been painted in the area.

Nevertheless, worshippers gathered at the tombs Tuesday night for special prayers on the tenth of Tevet, the day Kaddish and other prayers are recited for those whose date of death is unknown, such as Calev ben Yefuneh. Organizers had cleaned up the damage and attendees reported a positive experience.

The prayers were also to mark the end of the 30-day increased-stricture mourning period for murdered Jewish father Ido Zoldan of Kedumim, by a Palestinian Authority police officer.

Organizers reported that a wide array of Jews – hareidi, national religious and traditional – took part in the visit and prayers. They also praised the cooperation of security forces, particularly the Efraim Division of the IDF.

The One Shechem organization issued a call to the public to do everything in their power to preserve the holy sites in Samaria, including Joseph’s Tomb in Shechem and to fight for the right of Jews to visit and worship there freely.

Arabs Desecrate Grave of Biblical Prime Minister Joshua (http://www.web-view.net/Show/0XEBB08221FE8F1542E3ADFB8871BEAAE4BA2505BCBC5FC9530A2BFDDBE467C819.htm#124630)


Title: Re: Arabs Desecrate Grave of Biblical Prime Minister Joshua
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2007, 06:23:02 PM
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Arabs Desecrate Grave of Biblical Prime Minister Joshua

When they stand before the One True God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, they will have to answer for this I'm glad....... I'm not them.


Title: Pro-gay schools law hit
Post by: Shammu on December 19, 2007, 07:03:21 PM
Pro-gay schools law hit


December 18, 2007

By Jennifer Kabbany - A new law that amends California's education code has many of the state's conservatives in an uproar and taking drastic measures to repeal it, saying the changes go too far in promoting a homosexual agenda in public schools.

The law known as SB 777 is due to take effect in January and forbids any school activity that "promotes a discriminatory bias" on the basis of "gender" or "sexual orientation."

Parents, preachers, conservative lawyers and Sacramento-based pro-family advocacy groups have mounted campaigns against the law in recent weeks, efforts that include pulling children out of school, circulating a referendum petition and filing a lawsuit.

"If this is not repealed, the next step is to get out of California itself — it's like Sodom and Gomorrah," said Pastor Vincent Xavier, one of many church leaders across the state who helped spread the word of a two-day school boycott in late November to protest the law.

The mix of protesters contend the law would allow students to decide whether they are male or female, potentially wreaking "havoc" in campus locker rooms and bathrooms, and bans lessons and any other school activities that are construed as portraying homosexuality negatively.

"People have said enough is enough," said Karen England, executive director of Capital Resource Family Impact, the Sacramento-based nonprofit advocacy group behind the referendum petition. "I think they realize it's gone too far."

At issue is a law signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger in October that proponents say clarifies and streamlines — but does not expand — existing civil rights protections for students spelled out in California's education code.

"There has been no change in California law, none at all," said state Sen. Sheila Kuehl, the Los Angeles Democrat who authored the original bill.

An avowed lesbian, Ms. Kuehl said the amendments simply spell out in the education code laws it has referenced for several years in the state's penal code with regard to various forms of discrimination.

"The education code already included all of this by reference to the penal code," she said. "If there was going to be any problem with that, it would have already arisen."

She said the conservative campaign against SB 777 "is nothing but a cynical attempt to exploit their supporters for more money."

Opponents of the measure say they are protecting the state's students and Christian teachers from an overzealous homosexual lobby.

"The special interests are in control in Sacramento," said Bob Tyler, lead counsel for the Southern California-based law firm Advocates for Faith and Freedom, which filed a federal lawsuit against the law in late November. "The homosexual lobby is so powerful, it has passed over 40 bills since 2000 forcing their agenda on society."

Mr. Tyler said the latest law is a "ridiculous" example of that agenda. SB 777 redefines "gender" in the education code so as to include "gender identity" — a potentially dangerous change, he said.

"Any testosterone-driven boy in the midst of his high school era who wants to wreak a little havoc, all he has to do is say, 'I believe I am a girl, and I am entitled to use the girls' locker room, and you can't stop me, or you are discriminating against me,' " he said.

The notion of boys using girls' bathrooms, or vice versa, isn't farfetched, said Mrs. England, pointing to a 2005 Los Angeles Unified School District policy already mandating as much.

Mrs. England also contends the law means "equal time" for all sexual orientations in kindergarten through 12th grade, affecting everything from high school child-development lessons to boys campaigning for prom queen.

Ms. Kuehl said the new wording actually makes it harder to prove discrimination by changing the education code from banning lessons and activities that "reflect adversely" on homosexuality to those that "promote a discriminatory bias."

" 'Promotes a discriminatory bias'is much less vague than 'reflects adversely,' " she said.

However, Mrs. England and Mr. Tyler said the new law will have dire effects on teachers'lessons and students'free-speech rights.

For example, they said, lessons about families that only cover heterosexual situations may be construed as promoting a discriminatory bias. Also, an annual Christian student protest on campuses across the state meant to counter the annual, pro-homosexual "Day of Silence" school campaign might also be construed as promoting bias.

Mrs. England said the law effectively silences Christian teachers and students. "It's crazy," she said. "It's the line in the sand."

The law was to take effect Jan. 1, but the effective date has been pushed back to Jan. 10 because of the referendum petition.

Mrs. England said thousands of volunteers are collecting signatures, and her group needs 434,000 valid signatures by early January in order to put the referendum on the June ballot.

Mary Calgaro, a 64-year-old grandmother who lives in Southern California, is helping with the petition drive. She said she joined the cause because she believes the state's Legislature is "out of control."

"I am really concerned about our schools and our children, how they are being indoctrinated, and how our poor teachers have to contend with all these things," she said.

Mrs. Calgaro is not alone. Joy Stutz, a 64-year-old grandmother who lives in Escondido, Calif., launched a campaign calling on parents to pull their children out of school for two days in late November to protest the law.

She first advertised the campaign on the Internet, she said, but it picked up steam when conservative advocacy groups such as the Sacramento-based Campaign for Children and Families, as well as local churches, helped spread the word, she said.

The effort attracted the attention of local and statewide education officials, who complained that the protest only hurt the students, as they lost out on classroom time. But many parents who participated in the protest said they did so because they felt it was time to take a stand.

Homosexual activists "are getting all kinds of legislation passed in their favor because they are out there in the forefront, taking action, demonstrating, pushing their agenda, pushing for what they want," said Dale Porth, 67, who kept his 13-year-old daughter and 15-year-old son out of school.

"I felt that a majority of us need to start taking a stand against some of these issues that are being pushed forward by a small minority of people who are very militant in their agenda," Mr. Porth said.

Pro-gay schools law hit (http://www.worthynews.com/news/washingtontimes-com-article-20071218-CULTURE-739295251-1015/)


Title: Archbishop of Canterbury Dismisses Nativity Scene as Nothing but 'Legend'
Post by: Shammu on December 20, 2007, 09:31:55 PM
Archbishop of Canterbury Dismisses Nativity Scene as Nothing but 'Legend'

Thursday , December 20, 2007
Ruth Gledhill

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, dismissed the Christmas story of the Three Wise Men yesterday as nothing but "legend."

There was scant evidence for the Magi, and none at all that there were three of them, or that they were kings, he said. All the evidence that existed was in Matthew’s Gospel. The Archbishop said: "Matthew’s Gospel doesn’t tell us there were three of them, doesn’t tell us they were kings, doesn’t tell us where they came from. It says they are astrologers, wise men, priests from somewhere outside the Roman Empire, that’s all we’re really told." Anything else was legend. "It works quite well as legend," the Archbishop said.

Further, there was no evidence that there were any oxen or asses in the stable. The chances of any snow falling around the stable in Bethlehem were "very unlikely." And as for the star rising and then standing still: the Archbishop pointed out that stars just don’t behave like that.

Although he believed in it himself, he advised that new Christians need not fear that they had to leap over the "hurdle" of belief in the Virgin Birth before they could be "signed up." For good measure, he added, Jesus was probably not born in December at all. “Christmas was when it was because it fitted well with the winter festival.”

He said the Christmas cards that show the Virgin Mary cradling baby Jesus, with the shepherds on one side and the Three Wise Men on the other, were guilty of "conflation."

But in spite of his scepticism about aspects of the Christmas story, as told in infant nativity plays up and down the land, he denied that believing in God was equivalent to believing in Santa Claus or the tooth fairy.

"The thing is, belief in Santa does not generate a moral code, it does not generate art, it does not generate imagination. Belief in God is a bit bigger than that," the Archbishop said.

Williams was speaking live on BBC Radio Five to the presenter Simon Mayo when Ricky Gervais, star of The Office and a fellow guest, challenged him about the intellectual credibility of the Christian faith.

He said he was committed to belief in the Virgin Birth "as part of what I have inherited." But belief in the Virgin Birth should not be a "hurdle" over which new Christians had to jump before they were accepted.

He hinted that decades ago he was not "too fussed" with the literal truth of the doctrine of the Virgin Birth. But as time went on, he developed a "deeper sense" of what the Virgin Birth was all about. And he went on to do a literary-critical analysis of the traditional Christmas card that features, as often as not, a Virgin Mary cradling a baby Jesus wrapped in swaddling clothes, with shepherds on one side, the Three Wise Men on the other and oxen and asses all around. Sometimes the stable is depicted with snow falling all around, and often with a bright star rising in the East.

Most of it, the Archbishop said, could not have happened like that.

One of the few things that almost everyone agreed on was that Jesus’s mother’s name was Mary. That is in all the four Gospels. It was also pretty clear that Jesus’s father was called Joseph.

Williams was not saying anything that is not taught as a matter of course in even the most conservative theological colleges. His supporters would argue that it is a sign of a true man of faith that he can hold on to an orthodox faith while permitting honest intellectual scrutiny of fundamental biblical texts.

The Archbishop admitted that the Church’s present difficulties, with the dispute over sexuality taking the Anglican Communion to the brink of schism, were off-putting to outsiders. "They don’t want to know about the inside politics of the Church, they want to know if God’s real, if they can be forgiven, what sort of lifestyles matter more and they want to know, I suppose, if their prayers are heard."

Williams’s views are strictly in line with orthodox Christian teaching. The Archbishop is sticking to what the Bible actually says.

Archbishop of Canterbury Dismisses Nativity Scene as Nothing but 'Legend' (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,317550,00.html)


Title: Re: Archbishop of Canterbury Dismisses Nativity Scene as Nothing but 'Legend'
Post by: Shammu on December 20, 2007, 09:32:46 PM
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Archbishop of Canterbury Dismisses Nativity Scene as Nothing but 'Legend'

What was even sadder was the long list of comments I saw on the news website-- so many hard-hearted people who won't even consider having faith in something they can't see.


Title: Sarkozy meets with pope at the Vatican
Post by: Shammu on December 20, 2007, 10:20:30 PM
Sarkozy meets with pope at the Vatican
The Associated Press
Thursday, December 20, 2007

VATICAN CITY: French President Nicolas Sarkozy met with Pope Benedict XVI on Thursday, saying he was personally "moved" by his first audience at the Vatican since taking office in May.

They discussed a range of international issues, including "the drama of hostages," an apparent reference to France's efforts to free Ingrid Betancourt, who is being held by Colombian guerrillas.

Betancourt is a dual French-Colombian citizen and former presidential candidate in the South American country. She has been held for nearly six years and France has been actively seeking her release.

During his daylong visit to Rome, Sarkozy also pitched his idea for a union of Mediterranean countries, gaining support from leaders of Italy and Spain.

The Vatican described the visit as "cordial" and noted what it called the good relations between the French government and the Roman Catholic Church.

Sarkozy, in talks with the pope and a second meeting with the Vatican's secretary of state Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, discussed themes of "common interest" in France and the "role of religion, in particular the Catholic Church, in the world," the Vatican said.

Before the visit, Sarkozy's spokesman, David Martinon, described the Vatican as "extremely active and influential" in diplomacy.

"It's a partner that counts, and it's a heavyweight ally on a great number of subjects," such as on Lebanon and the Israeli-Palestinian crisis, Martinon said.

The two men held 25 minutes of private talks. Sarkozy then introduced members of his delegation to Benedict, including a priest known for his work with troubled youths and a standup comedian known for his off-color jokes.

The French leader arrived at the Vatican about 15 minutes behind schedule after flying in from Paris. Benedict greeted him outside his study and two men posed for photographers before taking their seats at a desk for their talks.

"Where did you learn your French?" Sarkozy asked Benedict. "In school," the German pope replied.

Sarkozy presented the pope with three books, including one he had written before becoming president on the role of religion in secular France.

After the talks, Sarkozy visited excavations under St. Peter's Basilica.

Sarkozy later visited St. John Lateran Basilica, where he accepted the title of honorary canon.

The title dated back to the kings of France and is one that not all French presidents wanted to accept because of the sensitivities surrounding the separation of church and state.

In a speech at the Basilica, he said that both Christianity and secularism were key elements of French history.

"My presence among you today attests to France's fidelity to its own history and to one of the major sources of its civilization," the president told a group of prelates including the pope's vicar for Rome, Cardinal Camillo Ruini.

Sarkozy drummed up support for his project for a Mediterranean Union in separate talks with Italian Premier Romano Prodi and Spanish Prime Minister Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero.

The three leaders issued a joint appeal for increased cooperation in the region, saying the Mediterranean Union "wants to be the heart and engine" of such dialogue.

They announced plans for a summit to be held in Paris July 13-14 gathering countries north and south of the sea, including fellow EU nations.

"It's in the Mediterranean that some of mankind's future will be decided," Sarkozy said at a joint news conference with Prodi and Zapatero. "In the Mediterranean we have to find agreements and put aside hate and destruction."

All leaders insisted the plan, which has drawn some criticism in Europe, would boost ongoing EU dialogue with Mediterranean countries that are not part of the European bloc.

Sarkozy meets with pope at the Vatican (http://www.iht.com/bin/printfriendly.php?id=8838521)


Title: The Vatican and Beijing warm up
Post by: Shammu on December 20, 2007, 10:27:00 PM
The Vatican and Beijing warm up
20/12/2007

The Holy See moves to regain control of the Chinese catholics and rein in the most radicals of the "underground" Church
by Francesco Sisci

The great maneuvers towards the normalization of diplomatic relationships between the Holy See and Beijing are beginning, and Rome looks resolute in resuming control of the Catholic Church in China.

Eight bishops of the “underground” Catholic Church, the one that for decades has been loyal to the Vatican and against the Communist government, are under review and might risk excommunication for having acted against the directions of the Pope’s letter on China issued this past June.

Some bishops in the Gansu and Hebei province, in particular, are at risk for allegedly carrying with ordaining priests without full communication with Rome. The Pope’s letter cancelled the state of emergency of the Chinese Church that was granted in the 1980s because of situation of duress of the local catholic clergy. The state of emergency allowed more freedom of action and initiative to bishops and clergymen, permitting them to ordain bishops and priests of the underground Church without the consent of Rome.

Xinhua reported that on December 18th evening Hu Jintao, general secretary of the Communist Party of China, presided the second plenary politburo meeting after the Congress and it centered on religious issues. Hu gave a positive assessment of religion about its role for a harmonious society and stressed that the Party should pay greater attention in the positive contribution of religion in economic and social development.

Catholics in China are divided into an underground Church, which did not want to register with the state’s organizations, and an official one, organized within the Patriotic Catholic Association (PCA).

According to Chinese catholic sources loyal to the Holy See, the inquiry indicates that the preparation for the normalization of the ties could be quite advanced and the Vatican is working already to shed light on the actual situation of many bishops and priests of the underground Church, which lived for nearly 60 years in a semi-clandestine condition.

The Pope’s letter, however, eliminates this state of emergency, therefore declaring implicitly that there are no more persecutions or communication difficulties with Rome, and offers an important political acknowledgment to the People's Republic of China.

A rapprochement between Rome and Beijing appears also from the ordaining of Beijing’s bishop, Li Shan, in September, who was chosen together by the two parties and the selection of new bishops after that. These appointments are signs that channels between Rome and Beijing are working smoothly.

The inquiry is also connected with to a second aspect of the letter. According to one interpretation of the message, within the Easter period of 2008, the underground Church must come to the open and register with the Chinese authorities.

Some bishops and priests oppose this interpretation.  In fact, the issue of official registration is ambiguous as the Holy See does not specify its terms.

Chinese authorities want bishops and priest to register with the Patriotic Association, a semi-governmental body highly controversial for Rome. The Vatican denies any religious role of the PCA, however it is open to admit its civil role.

The Underground Church, who had been confronting officials fro PCA for decades, would want to register directly with the Office of Religious Affairs, the competent government body supervising also the PCA, or not register at all. Here again there are margin of ambiguities as at least in one case, for the district of Fengxian, the bishop was been able to skip the PCA and sign up directly with the local Office of Religious Affairs.

Yet, Beijing may not want to broaden the exceptions. It is an administrative problem: the Patriotic Association enrolls about 10,000 people who might have to find a new role after the normalization and cannot simply be fired.

These people have been loyal to Beijing for decades.  They are insiders to the organization of the state, where they have friends and relatives, and the government does not intend to betray them and turn its back to them.

Moreover, Rome’s intention to clarify the situation with the underground Church probably also opens a hot new chapter with the official Church. Some “official” bishops and priests may have grave moral issues, they are rumored to have had wives and sons and daughters.

A final decision on the normalization of the diplomatic relations has not yet been taken. There remains, still, the mutual distrust that generates suspicion on the true intentions of the other part.

Moreover, there are two centers of influence with no interest in normal ties.

From the Chinese government’s side, a wing of the PCA is opposing because it would lose its freedom, it would have to be under stricter review from Beijing and Rome.  At the moment, Beijing exercises a mild control over the PCA, and Rome does not exercise any.

Against it is also a part of the underground Church for analogous reasons. Today, adducing the communication difficulties, it answers little to Rome and nothing to Beijing, because it does not recognize its political authority. With the normalization of relationships it should meet demands from both.

Actually, the PCA as such has fully resumed its contacts with Rome, which had been more  fragile in past years, and some members of the underground Church have kept in touch with the authorities for a full legalization. Last July, during a government meeting, in the presence of many ministers, the head of PCA Liu Bainian invited the Pope to visit China after the normalization of diplomatic ties.

More time could be necessary in order to create a broad consensus for normalization on the two sides.  But there is not much time.

Beijing can have an interest in the establishment of diplomatic relations before the Olympic games, beginning next August 8th. Interest could wane if things were to drag for too long.

The Vatican and Beijing warm up (http://www.lastampa.it/_web/cmstp/tmplrubriche/giornalisti/grubrica.asp?ID_blog=98&ID_articolo=99&ID_sezione=180&sezione=)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on December 22, 2007, 01:53:24 AM

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr. Rowan Williams, dismissed the Christmas story of the Three Wise Men yesterday as nothing but "legend."

There was scant evidence for the Magi, and none at all that there were three of them, or that they were kings, he said. All the evidence that existed was in Matthew’s Gospel. The Archbishop said: "Matthew’s Gospel doesn’t tell us there were three of them, doesn’t tell us they were kings, doesn’t tell us where they came from. It says they are astrologers, wise men, priests from somewhere outside the Roman Empire, that’s all we’re really told." Anything else was legend. "It works quite well as legend," the Archbishop said.


The Archbishop of Canterbury who allegorizes the Christmas Story found in the Bible and calls it a legend is setting the stage for Bible prophecy to be fulfilled.

The fact that the leader of the Church of England, the Archbishop of Canterbury, can call the Gospel accounts of the Christmas Story a legend says that this major Church leader is willing to forsake the literal interpretation of the Bible accounts of the birth of Christ. In order to say that any part of the birth of Jesus found in Matthew 1 or 2 is a legend states the obvious, the method of interpretation used to come to those conclusions would be the allegorical method and subject to the interpreter's belief, not the Bible as the main source of information.

Though I agree we have no evidence that there were only three wise men, there may well have been three hundred, in any case it is not legend but fact that they came to see the newborn babe who was with His mother Mary, Matthew 2:11. A close study of the account of the priest Zacharias, the father of John the Baptist and when he served at the Temple as recorded in Luke 1 will give absolute evidence that Jesus was indeed born in December. There is a good chance that there might well have been snow, but that report comes from weather history and not a Biblical account. The danger with the claim by the Archbishop of Canterbury that the Story of the Nativity is legend is the method of his interpretation of Scripture, he rejects the literal interpretation of God's Word. This places in danger the literal truth that Jesus who came the first time as prophecy indicated He would, will literally come the second time as foretold by Bible prophecy.

The birth of Jesus Christ as foretold in God's Word is proof
that Bible prophecy will indeed be FULFILLED.


Title: 'Gay' plans to target 2-year-olds
Post by: Shammu on December 22, 2007, 08:48:44 PM
'Gay' plans to target 2-year-olds

5th-grade students could be handed 'Coping With Sexual Orientation'
Posted: December 17, 2007
11:49 p.m. Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2007 WorldNetDaily.com

Children as young as two years of age are in the bull's-eye of coming changes in California's school curriculum, which "gay rights" advocates now admit will alter the very foundation of information presented to public school classrooms.

A list of school resources, sponsored by a homosexual-advocacy group called Safe Schools Coalition, suggests that for those who are only two years old, there's "Felicia's Favorite Story," which tells how she was "adopted by her two mothers."

The list also promotes a book called "Are You a Girl or a Boy?" by Karleen Jiminez, a resource for children ages 4-8 when advocating homosexuality, bisexuality, transgenderism and other alternative lifestyle choices.

It's described as "A sweet book about a gender-different kid."

Other resources being promoted in light of California's adoption of SB 777 as state law include books authored by officials for Planned Parenthood and the Gay Lesbian Straight Education Network.

One book, called "Tackling Gay Issues in School," is for kindergarten through grade 12, and offers a "rationale (for the inclusion of les/bi/gay/trans issues in school)." It features recommended "extracurricular" activities for classes.

The promotion of such materials has coincided with the recent admission by Equality California, a homosexual advocacy group that worked to have SB 777 passed by lawmakers and signed by Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, that the bill really does edit all school curricula in California.

For months while California lawmakers discussed Senate Bill 777, opponents worried about its usefulness in censoring public school curricula to include a pro-homosexual bias. Supporters, however, steadfastly maintained that it only clarified anti-discrimination laws already on the books. They still hold that stance, with statements this week from both Schwarzenegger's office and Equality California.

Sabrina Lockhart, a spokeswoman for the governor, insisted it is a "technical bill" intended to clarify anti-discriminations laws.

"It simply takes anti-discrimination language used in other areas of [state law] such as employment and puts that in the education code," she said.

And Ali Bay of Equality California told WND the new law "doesn't require that any specific curriculum be included in California's classrooms."

Technically it is correct that the law doesn't "require inclusion." But opponents say it does now ban anything that can be "perceived" as being discriminatory, up to and including references to "mom" and "dad" or "husband" and "wife."

"The terms 'mom and dad' or 'husband and wife' could promote discrimination against homosexuals if a same-sex couple is not also featured," said Meredith Turney, the legislative liaison for Capitol Resource Institute.

"Parents want the assurance that when their children go to school they will learn the fundamentals of reading, writing and arithmetic – not social indoctrination regarding alternative sexual lifestyles. Now that SB 777 is law, schools will in fact become indoctrination centers for sexual experimentation," she said.

The new law demands, "No teacher shall give instruction nor shall any school district sponsor any activity that promotes a discriminatory bias because of a characteristic [including perceived gender.]"

And Karen England, a spokeswoman for Capital Resource who is a primary organizer behind the Save Our Kids plan to put the issue before voters and ask them to reject it, noted that even Equality California's own materials are assuring constituents the law will ban curriculum that fails to meet the pro-homosexual standard cited.

"All along, Capitol Resource Family Impact has maintained that the true agenda behind SB 777 is to infuse school curriculum with pro-homosexual, and other controversial lifestyles, propaganda. The proponents of the bill countered that this was not true and the law would merely 'streamline' anti-discrimination laws for schools. Based on our 20-year experience with the homosexual lobby, we know that a common tactic is to maintain innocence and then utilize vague language to push a radical agenda. We expected the same of SB 777 and we are already witnessing the same pattern," England said.

"Last week the sponsor of SB 777, homosexual rights group Equality California, released their 2007 legislative scorecard. The scorecard featured a description of the each of the bills the group sponsored or considered homosexual-friendly," she said.

"For the first time, the group admitted that SB 777 'prohibits curriculum that is discriminatorily biased against LGBT people.' Understand that the entire time the group was pushing this bill through the legislature, they vehemently denied that it would affect curriculum. After the bill had passed, they now reveal their true agenda," England said.

The report card specifically said SB 777 "prohibits curriculum that is discriminatorily biased against LGBT people and other protected groups."

"In fact, SB 777 will affect curriculum and public education programs. The proponents lied to lawmakers and to the public," England said.

"One website features curriculum programs for teachers to use in introducing 'homosexual history' to their students as young as 5," she said.

Among titles now being recommended for use in public schools is "A Family Counting Book," intended specifically for those students in pre-kindergarten who are yet learning to count, she noted.

The recommended resources address "lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgender issues that schools are encouraged to have in their collection. All of these are suitable for classroom and library use to address the prescribed learning outcomes … or any effort to make your school a (sic) affirming space for all students, staff, and families," according to the website.

Another "resource" is about "A 10-year-old [who] asks her lesbian grandmother a heartwarming question," "What's a lesbian?"

Others feature stories about a boy who makes a card for his mother "and her partner" for Mother's Day, and another for "pre-kindergarten" is a coloring book called "Beach Party with Alexis" which is described as "a super story with people of color and gay/lesbian parents."

For older children, such as those in fifth grade, there's a book called "Coping With … Your Sexual Orientation" and it is "especially designed for the public school system."

For those as young as age 3, there's "The Different Dragon," which "shows how the wonderful curiosity and care of a little boy, along with some help from one of his moms, leads to magical and unexpected places …"

There also are offered several elementary school "lesbian/gay/bisexual/transgender" lesson plans, produced by the Buena Vista Lesbian and Gay Parents Group, among others.

Rounding out the multimedia offerings are videos such as "Different and the Same," a series of nine videos which is described as good, but not great because none of the videos specifically condemns "homophobia."

GLSEN also has produced another resource, "Tackling Gay Issues in Schools," substantiating the "rationale" for including such teachings in California classrooms.

"Tolerance education is an important first step, but we need to push further," the instructions said. "Infuse LGBTQ curriculum into history, social science, and literature classes," is the organization's plan.

As a result, spokeswoman Denise Kanter told WND that her group is sending out 5,000 DVD packages to churches around the state that include basic "how-to" information to provide parents a direction to turn when they choose to protect their children from the new school agenda.

Another group's website,  Discover Christian Schools, has been getting almost 4,000 visits per day as parents seek alternatives, co-founder Harold Naylor Jr. said.

Besides the referendum being pursued by England's organization, WND also has reported on work by the non-profit Advocates for Faith and Freedom to file a lawsuit challenging a SB 777.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 22, 2007, 08:51:42 PM
http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=16563.msg233283#msg233283

 ;) ;D ;D



Title: Re: 'Gay' plans to target 2-year-olds
Post by: Shammu on December 22, 2007, 08:54:12 PM
Whoever causes one of these little kids who believe in sin, I feel sorry for.... It would be better for them to have a great millstone, hung around their neck and to be drowned in the depths of the sea........

I can't imagine the punishment these people are going to face, at the "Great White Throne Judgment". To have the audacity to corrupt little children in such way's. :'(


Title: Choir drops 'Christmas' from carol
Post by: Shammu on December 22, 2007, 09:58:14 PM
Choir drops 'Christmas' from carol

Teachers' Decision; Children to sing: 'Soon it will be festive day'

Tony Lofaro,  CanWest News Service  Published: Thursday, December 20, 2007

OTTAWA -- One of the more popular Christmas songs is getting a slight retooling by an Ottawa elementary school choir so as not to offend any students.

The teachers leading the Elmdale Public School choir -- made up of Grade 2 and 3 students -- have dropped the word Christmas from Silver Bells and replaced it with the word "festive."

So, when the choir performs the song tomorrow at a singalong assembly, instead of singing the line "soon it will be Christmas day" they will say "soon it will be a festive day."

This bit of revisionist tinkering of a favourite Christmas tune is not sitting well with one parent whose eight-year-old daughter is in the school choir.

"I think it is a silly thing to do," said Betty Clark, about the decision by the choir directors to change the song's lyrics.

She said it's a "shame" the lyric to a traditional Christmas song sung by many people at this time of year was changed to take on a more generic tone.

"It's a sad comment on the state of society today that we do this kind of thing," she said.

Although she said the altering of the lyric was troubling, Ms. Clark has decided not to pull her daughter out of the concert.

"My daughter loves the choir," she said.

Silver Bells is one of four Christmas songs being performed by the choir of 70 students, although it's the only song that has been altered, said principal Paula Marinigh.

The other songs in the musical program are Candles of Hanukkah, Candles of Christmas; Pere Noel and It's Christmas generally reflect the feelings about the holiday season, as well as the themes of Hanukkah and Christmas, she said.

"The choir teachers are trying to be as inclusive as they can be because not everybody is celebrating either Christmas or Hanukkah," Ms. Marinigh said.

The initiative for the lyric change came from the teachers and was not something imposed by the school board, she said.

"They [teachers] wanted to have a song that emphasized the holiday spirit, so they just changed the Silver Bells song to reflect a more generic flavour."

She said she supports the teachers' decision to alter the song, saying their intent in this case was not a problem.

"The idea in public schools is that everybody feels welcome and has a sense of comfort with the celebrations. I think it's being sensitive to not only the students in the choir, but also to the general population," she said.

Choir drops 'Christmas' from carol (http://www.nationalpost.com/most_popular/story.html?id=181191)


Title: Re: Choir drops 'Christmas' from carol
Post by: Shammu on December 22, 2007, 10:04:58 PM
Whatever. These hypocrites...... teachers felt it was fine to shove witchcraft and other religions down the throat in schools. I'm glad my kids are grown adults, and we, don't live in Canada.

Someday they all will have to bend their knee and announce "Jesus christ is LORD", and I HOPE they do so in this lifetime. :D :D


Title: Ahmadinejad felicitates Pope on Christmas, New Year
Post by: Shammu on December 26, 2007, 10:22:17 PM
Ahmadinejad felicitates Pope on Christmas, New Year
26 December 2007

President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad felicitated Pope Benedict XVI on the birth anniversary of Jesus Christ who is the messenger of love, friendship, justice and spirituality on the advent of the New Year.

In a message to the Leader of the World Roman Catholics, the Iranian president said the present world is in dire need of guidelines of the divine prophets more than any other time in the history.

He expressed the hope that the New Year would be the year of elimination of oppression, violation and discrimination and that of peace, friendship and respect for the rights of people.

President Ahmadinejad further wished that the new Christian year would bring peace and tranquility to the international community on the basis of justice and spirituality.

Ahmadinejad felicitates Pope on Christmas, New Year (http://www.president.ir/en/)


Title: Media's two-faced Christmas coverage
Post by: Shammu on December 26, 2007, 10:51:39 PM
Media's two-faced Christmas coverage

Muslims driving Christians out of Bethlehem, but media outlets choose to blame Israel

Aaron Klein
Published: 12.24.07, 15:06
Israel Opinion

Ah, Christmas in Bethlehem. Manger Square is ablaze with colorful lights. The weather is usually a bit chilly. Aggressive merchants bombard passersby with “special sales” on all kinds of cedar wood statues and religious carvings.

And like clockwork, the mainstream media descend upon this city every year to ignore rampant Muslim intimidation of Christians and instead blast Israel - often with completely inaccurate information - for ruining Christmas and for the drastic decline of Christianity in one of the holiest cities for that religion.

Take a widely circulated piece by McClatchy Newspapers writers Dion Nissenbaum and Cliff Churgin.

The piece, published last week, cites Bethlehem's dwindling Christian population and paints a picture that squarely blames Israel.

"For generations, the Holy Land Arts Museum (in Bethlehem) has been selling olivewood manger scenes to thousands of pilgrims wanting souvenirs from the biblical birthplace of Jesus," starts the piece.

"Gone is the olivewood stable shielding the baby Jesus, Mary and Joseph. In its place, looming over the angelic family, are an Israeli watchtower and three towering sections of an adjoining wall."

Outright lying, the McClatchy Newspapers piece stated Bethlehem "remains largely isolated from the outside world by Israel’s 25-foot-tall concrete walls, part of Israel’s separation barrier."

The piece implied the wall caused the crash of Bethlehem's economy and prompted Christians to flee. Similar articles were churned out by Reuters, the BBC online and scores of local newspapers.

ABC News, for example, chimes in: "The (Israeli) wall has cast a shadow over this famous West Bank town."

Now let's get our facts straight. Bethlehem is not surrounded by any wall.

Israel in 2002 built a fence in the area where northern Bethlehem interfaces with Jerusalem. A tiny segment of that barrier, facing a major Israeli roadway, is a concrete wall, which Israel says is meant to prevent gunmen from shooting at Israeli motorists.

The fence was constructed after the outbreak of the Palestinian Intifada, or terror war, launched in 2000 after late PLO Leader Yasser Arafat turned down an Israeli offer of a Palestinian state, returning to the Middle East to liberate Palestine with violence.

Scores of deadly suicide bombings and shooting attacks against Israelis were planned in Bethlehem and carried out by Bethlehem-area terrorists.

At one point during the period of just 30 days in 2002, at least 14 shootings were perpetuated by Bethlehem cells of al-Aqsa Martyrs Brigades terrorists, killing two Israelis and wounding six.

Many times Muslim gunmen in the Bethlehem area reportedly took positions in civilian homes in the hilltops of Christian Beit Jala, which straddles Bethlehem. Beit Jala afforded the terrorists a clear firing line at southern sections of Jerusalem and at a major Israeli highway down below, drawing Israeli military raids and the eventual building of the security barrier there.

Is this barrier causing Bethlehem's Christians to flee, as the mainstream media claim?

Rampant land confiscation

Simple demographic facts will answer this question. Israel built the barrier five years ago. But Bethlehem's Christian population started to drastically decline in 1995, the very year Arafat's Palestinian Authority took over the holy Christian city in line with the US-backed Oslo Accords.

Bethlehem consisted of upwards of 80 percent Christians when Israel was founded in 1948, but since Arafat got his grimy hands on it, the city's Christian population dove to its current 23-percent. And that statistic is considered generous since it includes the satellite towns of Beit Sahour and Beit Jala. Some estimates place Bethlehem's actual Christian population at as low as 12 percent, with hundreds of Christians emigrating per year.

As soon as he took over Bethlehem, Arafat unilaterally fired the city’s Christian politicians and replaced them with Muslim cronies. He appointed a Muslim governor, Muhammed Rashad A-Jabar and deposed of Bethlehem’s city council, which had nine Christians and two Muslims, reducing the number of Christians councilors to a 50-50 split.

Arafat then converted a Greek Orthodox monastery next to the Church of Nativity, the believed birthplace of Jesus, into his official Bethlehem residence.

Suddenly after the Palestinians gained the territory, reports of Christian intimidation by Muslims began to surface.

Christian leaders and residents told me they face an atmosphere of regular hostility. They said Palestinian armed groups stir tension by holding militant demonstrations and marches in the streets. They spoke of instances in which Christian shopkeepers' stores were ransacked and Christian homes attacked.

They said in the past, Palestinian gunmen fired at Israelis from Christian hilltop communities, drawing Israeli anti-terror raids to their towns.

In 2002, dozens of terrorists holed up inside the Church of the Nativity for 39 days while fleeing a massive Israeli anti-terror operation. Israel surrounded the church area but refused to storm the structure. Gunmen inside included wanted senior Hamas, Tanzim and Brigades terrorists reportedly involved in suicide bombings and shooting attacks.

More than 200 nuns and priests were trapped in the church after Israeli hostage negotiators failed to secure their release.

Some Christian leaders said one of the most significant problems facing Christians in Bethlehem is the rampant confiscation of land by Muslim gangs.

"There are many cases where Christians have their land stolen by the (Muslim) mafia," said Samir Qumsiyeh, a Bethlehem Christian leader and owner of the Beit Sahour-based private al-Mahd (Nativity) TV station.

"It is a regular phenomenon in Bethlehem. They go to a poor Christian person with a forged power of attorney document, then they say we have papers proving you're living on our land. If you confront them, many times the Christian is beaten. You can't do anything about it. The Christian loses and he runs away," Qumsiyeh told WND, speaking from his hilltop television station during a recent interview.

Qumsiyeh himself said he was targeted by Islamic gangs. He said his home was firebombed after he returned from a trip abroad during which he gave public speeches outlining the plight of Bethlehem's Christian population.

One Christian Bethlehem resident told WND her friend recently fled Bethlehem after being accused by Muslims of selling property to Jews, a crime punishable by death in some Palestinian cities. The resident said a good deal of the intimidation comes from gunmen associated with PA President Mahmoud Abbas' Fatah organization.

A February Jerusalem Post article cited the case of Faud and Georgette Lama, Christian residents of Bethlehem who said their land was stolen by local Muslims and when they tried to do something about it, Faud was beaten by gunmen.

One religious novelty-store owner I met recently told me Muslim gangs regularly deface Christian property.

“We are harassed but you wouldn’t know the truth. No one says anything publicly about the Muslims. This is why Christians are running away.”

What? Muslim persecution is driving the Christians out of Bethlehem? One would never know that from the Christmas coverage/annual Israel bash-fest by my "colleagues" in the media.

Media's two-faced Christmas coverage (http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3486144,00.html)


Title: Teens Terrorize Gas Station
Post by: Shammu on December 27, 2007, 08:05:29 PM
Teens Terrorize Gas Station
Dec 24, 2007
Jay Olstad

MILWAUKEE - A handful of teenage boys have terrorized the workers at the Clark gas station on 60th and West Fond du Lac for the past two weeks.

"We've went through hell. It's just ridiculous," said owner Mandi Brar.

She says since December 11th, seven or eight teens have come in almost every day. With guns drawn, they demand food, gas, drinks, whatever they can get their hands on.

"December 11th, 12th, 14th, and 15th they came four times in a day," said Brar.

One worker had enough last week. He was going to use a stick to scare them off. But instead, the suspects grabbed that stick and beat him with it.

The gas station believes the teens have stolen at least $3,000 in merchandise and caused thousands more in damage.

The boys even shot at one employee in the parking lot.

"If you don't give it to them they trash the place and they take whatever they want and leave," she said.

That's not all. Police say one of the teens stole a black Mercedes. The driver left his keys in his car and went into pay for gas.

And during this holiday season all Brar is asking for is some peace and quiet.

"It's very hard, very hard. I never used to be scared, but now I'm scared in the morning."

Teens Terrorize Gas Station (http://www.todaystmj4.com/news/local/12804677.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on December 27, 2007, 08:09:15 PM
These punks didn't have the brains to use ski masks, they hit the same area several times in a day. How tough would it have been to have an unmarked car and catch them in the act??

Our tax dollars pay the Police to protect society from punks like this, business owners should'nt have to arm themselves and potentially kill someone, because the Police are unwilling to do their job!! Two weeks of this is more than any citizen should have to endure!!

Praise God, the cops in my area would have caught these punks after the second time. Course in Arizona, the cops are of a different breed.


Title: Priests brawl in Bethlehem with fists, brooms, iron rods/7 injured
Post by: Shammu on December 27, 2007, 08:40:40 PM
Priests brawl in Bethlehem with fists, brooms, iron rods/7 injured
26 Dec 07

Seven people were injured on Thursday when Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests came to blows in a dispute over how to clean the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem.

Following the Christmas celebrations, Greek Orthodox priests set up ladders to clean the walls and ceilings of their part of the church, which is built over the site where Jesus Christ is believed to have been born.

But the ladders encroached on space controlled by Armenian priests, according to photographers who said angry words ensued and blows quickly followed.

For a quarter of an hour bearded and robed priests laid into each other with fists, brooms and iron rods while the photographers who had come to take pictures of the annual cleaning ceremony recorded the whole event.

A dozen unarmed Palestinian policemen were sent to try to separate the priests, but two of them were also injured in the unholy melee.

The Church of the Nativity, like the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem's Old City, is shared by various branches of Christianity, each of which controls and jealously guards a part of the holy site.

The Church of the Nativity is built on the site where Christians believe Jesus was born in a stable more than 2,000 years ago after Mary and Joseph were turned away by an inn.

Priests brawl in Bethlehem with fists, brooms, iron rods/7 injured (http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=071227133441.5ue4z6fy&show_article=1)
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I can't believe they are acting like that.... Satan sure does have his claws dug in deep. They are to tightly connected to self fulfillment and pride I'm sure the Church of the Nativity is a very important Holy site to them but it does not rise above the salvation of there Souls. This is so embarrassing in the name of Christianity. 


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 28, 2007, 11:17:41 AM
Pastor Joel Osteen speaks out on Mormonism

The pastor of the nation's largest church has offered his take on Mormonism.

Joel Osteen is pastor of Houston's Lakewood Church, which -- according to Outreach Magazine -- hosts approximately 47,000 people each weekend in a renovated former NBA arena. Two days before Christmas, the best-selling author made an appearance on Fox News Sunday with host Chris Wallace, where he was asked about the role of religion in politics. More specifically, Osteen was asked about the Mormon faith, and whether a Mormon could be classified as "a true Christian."

"In my mind they are," Osteen said. "Mitt Romney has said that he believes in Christ as his Savior, and that's what I believe. I'm not the one to judge the little details of [Romney's religion], so I believe [Mormons are Christians] and Mitt Romney seems like a man of character and integrity to me and I don't think anything would stop me from voting for him if that's what I felt like."

When asked about specifics of the Mormon faith, such as the gold tablets allegedly found by Joseph Smith with the so-called "new revelation" from God, and the belief that humans can become gods, Osteen said he did not know enough about the religion's beliefs to comment.

"I certainly can't say that I agree with everything that I've heard about it," the Houston pastor responded. "But from what I've heard from Mitt, when he says that Christ is his Savior, to me that's a common bond."

Osteen also said that he admired former Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on December 28, 2007, 11:22:08 AM
Grassley probe exposes "prosperity gospel"

Cindy Fleenor of Tampa, Florida, says she believed the TV preachers who promised that those who are faithful in how they live and how they give will be showered with God's blessings.

The 53-year-old wrote checks to televangelists Joyce Meyer, Benny Hinn and Paula White.

But when the blessings didn't come, Fleenor ended up borrowing money just to buy groceries.

At first she believed that her faith wasn't strong enough, but later she became angry and bitter.

The groups Fleenor supported are among six ministries under scrutiny by Senator Charles Grassley. He's asking questions about lavish spending and possible abuses of the evangelists' tax-exempt status.

The probe also has some wondering whether the prosperity gospel is facing a day of reckoning.

Proponents call it a biblically sound message of hope. Others say it is a distortion that makes evangelists rich and preys on the vulnerable.


Title: Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan
Post by: Shammu on December 29, 2007, 07:47:01 PM
Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan
By NICK PISA
29th December 2007

The Pope has ordered his bishops to set up exorcism squads to tackle the rise of Satanism.

Vatican chiefs are concerned at what they see as an increased interest in the occult.

They have introduced courses for priests to combat what they call the most extreme form of "Godlessness."

Each bishop is to be told to have in his diocese a number of priests trained to fight demonic possession.

The initiative was revealed by 82-year-old Father Gabriele Amorth, the Vatican "exorcistinchief," to the online Catholic news service Petrus.

"Thanks be to God, we have a Pope who has decided to fight the Devil head-on," he said.

"Too many bishops are not taking this seriously and are not delegating their priests in the fight against the Devil. You have to hunt high and low for a properly trained exorcist.

"Thankfully, Benedict XVI believes in the existence and danger of evil - going back to the time he was in charge of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith." The CDF is the oldest Vatican department and was headed by Benedict from 1982, when he was Cardinal Ratzinger, until he became Pope in 2005.

Father Amorth said that during his time at the department Benedict had not lost the chance to warn humanity of the risk from the Devil.

He said the Pope wants to restore a prayer seen as protection against evil that was traditionally recited at the end of Catholic Masses. The prayer, to St Michael the Archangel, was dropped in the 1960s by Pope John XXIII.

"The prayer is useful not only for priests but also for lay people in helping to fight demons," he said.

Father Paolo Scarafoni, who lectures on the Vatican's exorcism course, said interest in Satanism and the occult has grown as people lost faith with the church.

He added: "People suffer and think that turning to the Devil can help solve their problems. We are being bombarded by requests for exorcisms."

The Vatican is particularly concerned that young people are being exposed to the influence of Satanic sects through rock music and the Internet.

In theory, under the Catholic Church's Canon Law 1172, all priests can perform exorcisms. But in reality only a select few are assigned the task.

Under the law, practitioners must have "piety, knowledge, prudence, and integrity of life."

The rite of exorcism involves a series of gestures and prayers to invoke the power of God and stop the "demon" influencing its victim.

Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=504969&in_page_id=1811)


Title: Re: Pope's exorcist squads will wage war on Satan
Post by: Shammu on December 29, 2007, 07:57:34 PM
It's like they have to come up with some new sensational thing to do every week. If not, people would lose interest and they wouldn't be needed. And of course, whatever they come up with, it requires them to be the only ones who can do anything about it, therefore they need to be obeyed.

A warning for those taking on the casting out of demons.

Acts 19:13-16 Then some of the traveling Jewish exorcists (men who adjure evil spirits) also undertook to call the name of the Lord Jesus over those who had evil spirits, saying, I solemnly implore and charge you by the Jesus Whom Paul preaches! 14 Seven sons of a certain Jewish chief priest named Sceva were doing this. 15 But [one] evil spirit retorted, Jesus I know, and Paul I know about, but who are you? 16 Then the man in whom the evil spirit dwelt leaped upon them, mastering two of them, and was so violent against them that they dashed out of that house [in fear], stripped naked and wounded.

I don't remember this guy speaking out against terrorism as American heads and others were being loped off and video taped for entertainment. What I do remember is this guy chastising the U.S. about Gitmo and protesting capital punishment in the U.S. for true monsters, that earned it and other things like that.

You don't have to be a member of God's eternal family to turn on the news or read the headlines.

But remember, it says in the Holy Book that due to this increase in wickedness, the love of many will grow cold...... Let's try to remember this as we not only talk our talk, but walk our walk. There are alot of depressed, lonely, scared people out there in this crazy world and I'm sure alot of them are being messed-with spiritually.

I pray that they will never rely on man's attempt at fixing them, but is lead Through the Spirit, and possibly with the help of believers shining their light, to Him. There, they will find peace and rest.  It sure ain't available in this world!!


Title: Cars torched (372 cars) in 'calm' NYE in France
Post by: Shammu on January 04, 2008, 08:16:57 PM
Cars torched (372 cars) in 'calm' NYE in France
January 01, 2008 11:44pm

VANDALS torched 372 cars as France celebrated the New Year, down on the figure last year after a night the police described as "relatively calm".

Cars are burned fairly regularly in France and the image of vehicles in flames in poor suburbs became symbolic of riots in 2005 when angry youths set fire to thousands of cars.

There is usually an increase in the number of cars torched on New Year's Eve compared to other days of the year.

“The night was relatively calm, without notable incident, there were very few direct clashes with the security forces,” said a spokesman for the national police.

The Interior Ministry said 372 vehicles had been burned - 144 in the Paris region and 228 in the rest of France. That was down from 397 last New Year's Eve.

At the height of the 2005 riots as many as 1400 cars were attacked in overnight violence. In protests over President Nicolas Sarkozy election last May, demonstrators set fire to 730 vehicles.

Police had stepped up their presence on French streets in anticipation of the year-end celebrations and the sale of petrol in cans was banned in some places.

Cars torched (372 cars) in 'calm' NYE in France (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,22996851-23109,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on January 04, 2008, 08:20:53 PM
What were the Muslim youth angry about this time? The unemployment rate among those in their communities? I don't get it. I was just recently told that in France, they're not even allowed to keep statistics on such things as race and/or employment. If true, that makes all these outcries even more perplexing.

Of course they're not going to get jobs when they're out torching cars! Plus, the French legal system is clear. You can become French only if you learn to speak French and give up all loyalties to your previous country. If they don't want to follow the rules, get out of the country. You can keep your religion in France, but you have to make that choice to become French, then you can get all the benefits that come with being a citizen of France. They can't have it both ways. If they don't want to deal with French culture, like I said, then get out of the country.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on January 05, 2008, 07:14:49 PM
Plus, the French legal system is clear. You can become French only if you learn to speak French and give up all loyalties to your previous country. If they don't want to follow the rules, get out of the country. You can keep your religion in France, but you have to make that choice to become French, then you can get all the benefits that come with being a citizen of France. They can't have it both ways. If they don't want to deal with French culture, like I said, then get out of the country.

What a concept!  Why didn't WE think of that?

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 05, 2008, 08:33:46 PM
What a concept!  Why didn't WE think of that?

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It would make too much sense.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on January 06, 2008, 02:53:52 AM
 ;D   ;D

I also feel much better knowing that the Pope's exorcism squads are getting busy fighting satan.   ;D


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 12, 2008, 10:21:27 AM
Chlamydia among under-16s up 9-fold in 4 years 
'Lot of evidence' shows even if condoms always used disease can still be transmitted

London health experts say something needs to be done beyond making condoms available to lower the number of children with sexually transmitted diseases, because the handouts from school nurses just aren't doing the work.

"There is … a lot of evidence to show that even if condoms are used all the time the disease can still be transmitted. We need to focus on better sexual education that involves parents, not just the school nurse," Trevor Stammers, a physician and healthcare ethics lecturer, told the London Evening Standard.

He said the government's dedication to contraception should be reconsidered.

"These figures are astounding and show we need to focus more on discouraging young teenagers from having intercourse too early. Not only is underage sex illegal, it is unhealthy and dangerous," he said. "The government is not discouraging children from making their sexual debut and the areas where the disease is most prevalent are where there is the most deprivation."

His comments to the newspaper came after health officials came out with confirmation that chlamydia is affecting up to one in 10 sexually active young people in the British study area.

The report said the number of cases of Chlamydia among under-16s in London has risen ninefold in four years.

Figures reveal some primary care health services have diagnosed more than 20 times as many cases among underage girls last year than just four years ago.

The newspaper said the report confirmed the biggest increase was in Lewisham, where the number of confirmed cases rocketed from 46 in 2003-2004 to 332 in 2006-2007.

Experts attribute the rise in the disease, which can lead to infertility, to an absence of warnings about the dangers of underage sex, the newspaper said.



Title: New York Mom Allegedly Put Son, 7, in Oven as Punishment
Post by: Shammu on January 12, 2008, 03:30:38 PM
New York Mom Allegedly Put Son, 7, in Oven as Punishment

Saturday , January 12, 2008

AIRMONT, N.Y. —
Police arrested a woman Friday after her 7-year-old son told authorities she burned him in an oven, and a day-care worker was arrested for not reporting the attack, authorities said.

The mother, 26-year-old Tiffany Fraser of Tallman, was charged with assault and endangering a child, authorities said.

Police began investigating after the boy was spotted alone at a shopping center and told officers he had run away because "his mother had put him in an oven and burned him as a punishment," according to police reports.

The day-care worker, 37-year-old Joelle Lherisson, was charged with failure to report child abuse. Both Fraser and Lherisson were arraigned in Airmont Village Court and released until their next court dates.

Lherisson told WCBS-TV that the boy showed no signs of abuse, and she had taken good care of him.

"There was nothing wrong with the child," she said.

Fraser's lawyer, Edward Cigna, declined to comment. There was no phone listing for Fraser.

Lt. Brad Weidel of the Town of Ramapo police force, which covers Airmont, said the boy's burns — on his nose, arm, hand and left leg — were noticed at a daycare center owned by Lherisson in July, but Lherisson did not report them.

When the boy reported the oven incident at the shopping center, he and a sibling were removed from their home by the Rockland County children's agency and police began an investigation that led to both arrests, Weidel said.

New York Mom Allegedly Put Son, 7, in Oven as Punishment (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,322312,00.html)


Title: Man Runs Over Estranged Wife in Swiss Hit-and-Run, Returns for License Plate
Post by: Shammu on January 12, 2008, 03:34:13 PM
Man Runs Over Estranged Wife in Swiss Hit-and-Run, Returns for License Plate

Friday , January 11, 2008

AP
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NYON, Switzerland —
A man drove over his estranged wife, fled the scene and then returned briefly to retrieve his license plate without helping his dying spouse, police said Friday.

The 51-year-old man struck his wife at a pedestrian crossing in the southwestern Swiss town of Nyon on Thursday evening, cantonal (state) police said.

He then drove off, only to come back in order to collect his front license plate, which had fallen off the car as a result of the accident, police said.

As passers-by tended to his badly injured wife the man left the scene again. He was subsequently arrested by a police patrol.

The wife, 49, died later in the hospital.

Police said the man, of Portuguese origin, appeared to have driven over his wife on purpose and a criminal investigation has been opened.

Man Runs Over Estranged Wife in Swiss Hit-and-Run, Returns for License Plate (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,322046,00.html)


Title: Police: Florida Dad Who Wanted Son Killed Baby Girl
Post by: Shammu on January 12, 2008, 03:42:12 PM
Police: Florida Dad Who Wanted Son Killed Baby Girl

Friday , January 11, 2008

WINTER HAVEN, Fla. —
A Florida man is facing first-degree murder charges for allegedly killing his 4-month-old daughter.

Every time Marcos Gomez-Romero looked at Ariana Rodriguez-Romero he would get angry, because she was not the boy he wanted, the Orlando Sentinel reported.

The 28-year-old told investigators he starting beating her months ago — slapping her as she slept, the newspaper reported.

She died on Christmas Day and, on Thursday, a grand jury indicted him on first-degree murder and aggravated child abuse charges, the newspaper reported.

Ariana had dozens of internal and external injuries, including fractured ribs and a cut spleen, the Orlando Sentinel reported.

According to a Polk County Sheriff's Office report, Gomez-Romero told police he called his daughter an "ugly, girl, prostitute and deny [sic] she was his daughter," the newspaper reported.

He would pick the little girl up by her hands to carry her and told police he often spanked her out of anger for no reason, according to the report.

Ariana's mother Juana Rodriguez-Perez told police she threatened to call the police on him, but he said he would flee with their 2-year-old son, the newspaper reported.

Police: Florida Dad Who Wanted Son Killed Baby Girl (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,322107,00.html)
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Matthew 24:12 And the love of the great body of people will grow cold because of the multiplied lawlessness and iniquity,


Title: Police say Alabama shrimper threw his 4 children off bridge
Post by: Shammu on January 12, 2008, 03:47:03 PM
Police say Alabama shrimper threw his 4 children off bridge

By GARRY MITCHELL
Associated Press

BAYOU LA BATRE, Ala. — A day after reporting his four young children were missing, a shrimp fisherman broke down and confessed that he threw them off an 80-foot-high bridge to their deaths, authorities said Wednesday.

Lam Luong, 37, was charged with four counts of capital murder, and divers searched the murky waters for the bodies of the youngsters, who ranged in age from a few months to 3 years.

Luong had a drug habit and had argued with his wife, Ngoc Phan, before taking the children, said Phan's brother-in-law, Kam Phengsisomboun.

Authorities said they believe Luong drove on Monday to the two-lane Dauphin Island bridge over the Intracoastal Waterway, stopped at the highest part of the span and threw the youngsters over the side.

Luong reported the children missing Monday, initially telling police that a woman who had the youngsters failed to return them, authorities said.

Missing and presumed dead were 4-month-old Danny Luong; 1-year-old Lindsey Luong; 2-year-old Hannah Luong; and 3-year-old Ryan Phan. Phan is not the man's biological child, but Luong raised him from infancy, authorities said.

About 70 people in boats and helicopters searched water up to 55 feet deep. The search area covered 100 square miles because the current might have swept the children away, Sheriff Sam Cochran said.

Luong was scheduled to appear in court Thursday. District Attorney John Tyson said he did not believe Luong had a lawyer.

Luong came to Alabama from Vietnam in 1984 and worked as a shrimper, Phengsisomboun said. The couple lived with Phan's mother at Bayou La Batre, a fishing village 20 miles southwest of Mobile with a large Southeast Asian community.

Phengsisomboun said the couple had recently moved back to the area from Hinesville, Ga.

They argued Sunday night and again Monday, and Luong left the home with two of the children, then later came back for the other two, the brother-in-law said. Phengsisomboun said he did not know what the couple argued about.

The family initially feared he had traded the children to support his drug habit, Phengsisomboun said. Luong had a crack habit and had run through an insurance settlement from an auto accident, he said. Authorities in Mobile confirmed Luong had a history of drug abuse but had no details.

He was arrested in October in Hinesville on a crack-possession charge.

Phengsisomboun said he was later told by investigators that a witness had seen someone throw a bundle from the bridge and then saw three children in a nearby car.

Phan, 23, was in seclusion Wednesday morning at her mother's brick home, the front porch cluttered with children's shoes.

Police say Alabama shrimper threw his 4 children off bridge (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/nation/5439930.html)


Title: Court Ends Bible Distribution in School
Post by: Shammu on January 12, 2008, 03:56:20 PM
I know PR has probably posted this in Political sub-forum, but this is also Immoral........
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Court Ends Bible Distribution in School

By JIM SALTER
The Associated Press
Wednesday, January 9, 2008; 2:48 PM

ST. LOUIS -- A rural school district's long-standing practice of allowing the distribution of Bibles to grade school students is unconstitutional, a federal judge has ruled.

An attorney for the southeastern Missouri school district said Wednesday he will appeal the judge's injunction against the practice.

For more than three decades, the South Iron School District in Annapolis, 120 miles southwest of St. Louis in the heart of the Bible Belt, allowed representatives of Gideons International to give away Bibles in fifth-grade classrooms.

The American Civil Liberties Union filed suit two years ago on behalf of four sets of parents. In August, a three-judge panel of the 8th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld a temporary injunction against the practice.

The district altered its policy, saying the Gideons and others were still welcome to distribute Bibles or other literature before or after school or during lunch break, but not in classrooms.

On Tuesday, U.S. District Judge Catherine Perry ruled both practices were illegal and granted a permanent injunction.

The purpose of both practices "is the promotion of Christianity by distributing Bibles to elementary school students," Perry wrote. "The policy has the principle or primary effect of advancing religion by conveying a message of endorsement to elementary school children."

Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, a Florida-based law group that represented the school district, said he would appeal.

"I think the current policy creates an open forum that allows secular as well as religious persons or groups to access the forum to distribute information," Staver said. "The court has clearly misread the First Amendment and the cases regarding free speech."

The parents who sued are Christian but believe religious beliefs should be taught in the home, not school, said Anthony Rothert, legal director of the ACLU of Eastern Missouri.

The South Iron district has about 500 students in the grade school and South Iron High School.

Superintendent Brad Crocker was out of the office Wednesday and did not respond to a call seeking comment.

Gideons International, based in Nashville, Tenn., distributes Bibles in more than 80 languages and 180 countries, according to its Web site. A spokesman did not return a phone call seeking comment.

Court Ends Bible Distribution in School (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/01/09/AR2008010902166_pf.html)
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This is just another move towards removing God from our land. I pity those that have cast the vote to stop handing out Bibles, to remove God from the United States of America.


Title: Devilish debate on end for Church of England
Post by: Shammu on January 12, 2008, 04:01:24 PM
Devilish debate on end for Church of England
Thu Jan 10, 7:14 AM

LONDON (AFP) - Eyebrows were raised in the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the Church of England to be disestablished was listed with the number 666, symbol of the AntiChrist.

"This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways," said Bob Russell, a Liberal Democrat MP among those proposing the motion for debate.

"What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy," he added.

The motion calls for an end to the formal link between Church and State in England -- embodied in the monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, who is both head of state and head of the Church of England.

The number 666 is referred to in the Book of Revelations in the Bible: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred, three score and six."

"It is is incredible that a motion like this should have, by chance, acquired this significant number," said Russell.

Under the rules of the House of Commons the motion by backbenchers has little chance of actually being debated in parliament.

Devilish debate on end for Church of England (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080110/world/britain_politics_religion_offbeat)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Def on January 12, 2008, 04:15:43 PM
Devilish debate on end for Church of England
Thu Jan 10, 7:14 AM

LONDON (AFP) - Eyebrows were raised in the House of Commons on Thursday when a motion calling for the Church of England to be disestablished was listed with the number 666, symbol of the AntiChrist.

"This number is supposed to be the mark of the Devil. It looks as though God or the Devil have been moving in mysterious ways," said Bob Russell, a Liberal Democrat MP among those proposing the motion for debate.

"What is even stranger is that this motion was tabled last night when MPs were debating blasphemy," he added.

The motion calls for an end to the formal link between Church and State in England -- embodied in the monarch, Queen Elizabeth II, who is both head of state and head of the Church of England.

The number 666 is referred to in the Book of Revelations in the Bible: "Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast for it is the number of a man; and his number is six hundred, three score and six."

"It is is incredible that a motion like this should have, by chance, acquired this significant number," said Russell.

Under the rules of the House of Commons the motion by backbenchers has little chance of actually being debated in parliament.

Devilish debate on end for Church of England (http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/afp/080110/world/britain_politics_religion_offbeat)
where their is smoke there is fire.


Title: Dad Sodomized Teen Stepson to Avenge Rape of Daughter
Post by: Shammu on January 13, 2008, 04:24:14 PM
Dad Sodomized Teen Stepson to Avenge Rape of Daughter

Saturday , January 12, 2008

FORT WORTH, Texas —
A father sodomized his 18-year-old stepson to avenge the teenager's alleged rape of the man's 8-year-old daughter, police said.

The father, 32, turned himself into to authorities on Friday and was released from jail Saturday after posting a $17,500 bond. He faces a charge of aggravated sexual assault.

The stepson was arrested Jan. 2 and charged with suspicion of aggravated sexual assault. Police say the father caught him assaulting his daughter, and a subsequent examination at a hospital revealed the girl had been sodomized.

Sgt. Cheryl Johnson, supervisor of the Fort Worth sex crimes unit, said in a story posted Saturday on the Fort Worth Star-Telegram's Web site that people need to "allow the criminal justice system to work for them."

"This is a very unique case, but we have a criminal justice system in place, and no one can take the law into their own hands," Johnson said.

The Star-Telegram didn't identify the father or the stepson to protect the identity of the girl. Fort Worth police didn't immediately return phone and e-mail messages from The Associated Press.

When the stepson was arrested, the man warned his wife not to get the teenager out of jail. She posted bond for the teen's release. When he called home Jan. 3 after getting released, the father took the call and picked him up, police said.

Instead of taking the teenager home, the Arlington man drove to an abandoned house in Fort Worth, beat his stepson with a baseball bat and sodomized him with a metal tool, police said.

After the man left, the stepson found a pay phone and called police, who searched the abandoned home.

"We did find evidence at the scene to corroborate our victim's story," Johnson said.

Dad Sodomized Teen Stepson to Avenge Rape of Daughter (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,322386,00.html)


Title: Benedict XVI "Opens Heaven" for 13 Babies
Post by: Shammu on January 13, 2008, 11:11:23 PM
Benedict XVI "Opens Heaven" for 13 Babies

Pope Imparts Sacrament on Feast of Christ

VATICAN CITY, JAN. 13, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI baptized 13 babies, giving them the sacrament that he said opened heaven for them.

Amid the crying of eight baby girls and five baby boys resounding in the Sistine Chapel, the Pope expressed his joy at imparting the first sacrament of Christian life to the newborns, "one of the most expressive moments of our faith."

In his homily for the feast of the Baptism of the Lord, the Holy Father reflected on the "mystery of life": of the human life represented here by the newborns and the divine life that God gives to the baptized.

The children's parents, employees of Vatican City, were accompanied by the babies' godparents and a small group of relatives.

Noting Michelangelo's paintings in the chapel, the Pontiff spoke of "the experience of life and what is opposed to it, namely, the reality of death."

He said: "In baptism, the little human being receives a new life, the life of grace, which makes him capable of entering into a personal relationship with the Creator, and this forever, for all eternity.

"Unfortunately, man is capable of snuffing out this new life with his sin, closing himself up in a situation that sacred Scripture calls ‘second death.'

"While in the other creatures, who are not called to eternal life, death means only the end of existence on earth; in us, sin creates a precipice that we run the risk of falling from forever, unless the Father who is in heaven takes us by his hand."

God's hand

This is the mystery of baptism, Benedict XVI explained: "God wanted to save us by going himself into the very depths of the abyss of death so that every man, even he who has fallen so deep into the abyss as to no longer see heaven, can find the hand of God by which he can climb back up out of the darkness to see the light again for which he is made.

"All of us feel, all of us interiorly perceive that our existence is a desire for life that invokes a fullness, a salvation. This fullness of life is given to us by baptism."

Turning to the babies' parents, the Pope said, "Certainly to grow healthy and strong, these children will need material care and much attention; but what will be more necessary for them, indeed indispensable, is to know, love and faithfully serve God, to have eternal life."

The Holy Father celebrated the Eucharist at the ancient altar placed against the wall beneath the painting of the Last Judgment, instead of on the platform with an added altar "so as not to alter the beauty and harmony of this architectural jewel," a Vatican note explained.

That placement of the altar, added the note, implied that in some moments the Pope "had his back to the faithful and his gaze upon the cross, orienting the attitude and disposition of the whole assembly in this way," though he did not use the 1962 missal.

Benedict XVI "Opens Heaven" for 13 Babies (http://www.zenit.org/article-21487?l=english)


Title: Re: Benedict XVI "Opens Heaven" for 13 Babies
Post by: Shammu on January 13, 2008, 11:19:30 PM
It's so heartbreaking know that there are over 1 billion adherents to Catholicism and they seem to elevate and trust the Pope more than Christ our Savior. The pope should start reading the Bible. But the pope can't, he is busy cow-towing to the leaders of islam. The same ones, who are trying to rid the earth of the Jews who stole all the land form the palestinians.

Too bad for them, that God has other thoughts towards his beloved people and land!!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on January 14, 2008, 01:45:01 PM
Hello DreamWeaver,

Brother Bob, everything does appear to be rapidly shifting toward HUMANISM and away from GOD. Things are becoming so obvious now that they don't even look good on the surface. Mankind can't give us anything except things like POLITICS, and we all know how wonderful that is. SALVATION and SPIRITUAL RICHES can only be found in CHRIST! The stark CONTRAST between man and GOD has never been so OBVIOUS! For the things that are false, glory goes to man. For the things that are TRUE, ALL GLORY GOES TO GOD! - none to man! This has become one of the least complicated and easiest ways to identify the FALSE. Step two is agreement with the teachings of the HOLY BIBLE - GOD'S WORD.

Brothers and Sisters, we live in a day and age where false doctrines and cults receive more attention than the TRUTH! Many people are easily lead astray, especially the lost. This is very sad, and the only way I know to combat it is to tell the blunt TRUTH! The world needs JESUS CHRIST. JESUS CHRIST is the LIGHT, and there is NO darkness in HIM. We place our faith, trust, and HOPE in JESUS CHRIST - not men! JESUS CHRIST is worthy of our complete trust because HE is TRUTH, keeps HIS Promises Perfectly, and NEVER FAILS! We shouldn't need to state the OBVIOUS, but let's do: mankind is the opposite and worthy of NOTHING! So, we can remember two words and keep things simple:  ONLY CHRIST! Everything else we need at the core of our lives involves HIS HOLY NAME!


Love In Christ,
Tom

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Relatives of victims of Beslan siege go on trial
Post by: Shammu on January 14, 2008, 02:50:44 PM
Relatives of victims of Beslan siege go on trial

· Women had accused Putin of complicity in deaths
· Kremlin 'using extremism law to silence critics'

Tom Parfitt in Moscow
Monday January 14, 2008
The Guardian

A group of women whose relatives were killed in the Beslan school siege are to go on trial in Russia today after they accused President Vladimir Putin of complicity in the deaths.

The Voice of Beslan group has been charged with "extremism" over an appeal to politicians in Europe and the US which implied that Putin assisted terrorists.

The prosecution was launched under legislation introduced last year which civil rights activists warned could be used to attack critics of the Kremlin.

Article continues
More than 1,000 people were taken hostage during the siege in 2004, when militants seized a school in Beslan, North Ossetia, a region bordering Chechnya. The three-day stand-off with security forces ended in a bloodbath when two explosions destroyed part of the school gymnasium and provoked a gun battle. A total of 334 people died, more than half of them children.

No senior official was put on trial, despite numerous witnesses testifying that the rescue attempt was a shambles. An investigation by federal MPs found the militants were at fault for all the deaths.

Relatives of the dead and some local politicians insist security forces fired on the gymnasium before it was fully evacuated. The Voice of Beslan said in its release that Putin was "a president who solves his problems with tanks and flame-throwers". He had become a "guarantor for criminals", it added. Prosecutors, who claimed they found the appeal during routine monitoring of the internet, said the accusations were unlawful.

Voice of Beslan has led a campaign to get security service officials charged over the siege. Last year members of the group erected a sign pointing at the ruins of the Beslan school reading "Putin's Course".

Emma Tagaeva, the chairman of Voice of Beslan, described the prosecution as "an order from Moscow", in revenge for the group's struggle for justice. In a letter to Putin asking him to halt today's prosecution, she wrote: "We consider you guilty of the deaths of our children but does that represent a manifestation of extremism? Will it bring honour to the law enforcement organs to accuse the victims of a terrible tragedy of extremism?"

Human rights activists have spoken out against the trial. Lyudmila Alekseeva, head of the Moscow Helsinki Group, said: "This is all happening because Voice of Beslan is making every effort so that the investigation into the deaths of such a huge number of children and adults doesn't go quiet. That's why the might of the state, the court system and administrative methods are being used to battle against these unfortunate women who lost their children."

The law was amended in 2006 to expand the definition of extremist activity to include public slander of a government official while performing his duties. Critics said the changes would be used by the Kremlin to silence opponents. Under Russian law a person who publishes extremist literature can be jailed for up to three years.

Lev Ponomaryov, head of the For Human Rights movement, said: "If this approach to the problem of extremism is taken, then every opposition figure in Russia could be charged."

Relatives of victims of Beslan siege go on trial (http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,2240307,00.html)

Audio reports

06.09.04: Nick Paton Walsh reports from Beslan, North Ossetia (http://stream.guardian.co.uk:7080/ramgen/sys-audio/Guardian/audio/2004/09/06/060904walsh.ra)

03.09.04: Nick Paton Walsh reports from Beslan, North Ossetia (http://stream.guardian.co.uk:7080/ramgen/sys-audio/Guardian/audio/2004/09/03/030904PatonWalsh.ra)

News reports

06.09.2004: Bombers' justification: Russians are killing our children (http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1298075,00.html)

06.09.2004: Russia mourns Beslan's dead (http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1298245,00.html)

04.09.2004: Bloodbath: up to 200 die as siege ends in mayhem (http://www.guardian.co.uk/russia/article/0,,1297199,00.html)



Title: AUSTRIAN POLITICIAN MAY FACE JAIL TIME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM
Post by: Shammu on January 15, 2008, 02:11:40 PM
AUSTRIAN POLITICIAN MAY FACE JAIL TIME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

Right wing Austrian politician, Susan Winter, is being censured by dhimmis for telling the truth about Islam.

1.) It is true that Mohammed married a 6 year old little girl.

2.) It is true that many muslim men have a propensity for child abuse - one recent example is cited but search the web and you will find a MANY more-worldwide.

True to form the other politician were quick to jump all over Winter and denounce her (fact based) words - so heavily is dhimmification in Austria as well as the majority of Europe. The other typical response is for muslim leaders( to completely ignore the truth) and to immediately begin the "Call to Whine" about supposed Islamophobia and how mistreated they are by Europeans -- even though it has been proven that Islamophobia is a fabrication and there is NO anti-muslim backlash in Europe. (It should be noted that the numbers of muslims will overtake Austrian Protestants by 2010 another indication that muslims are exceptionally well treated in Europe to the point that Europe is being Islamicized.)

Hate crime legislation is being used repeatedly to silence any and all dissenters who speak out against the Islamization of Europe. Freedom of speech and the acknowledgement of truth, in Europe, is under assault by dhimmi politicians & multiculturalists who refuse to accept the facts that their errant ideology is destroying Europe.

Austrian authorities investigate Islam-bashing by rightist lawmaker

Jan 14, 2008, 11:59 GMT

Vienna - Remarks by a right-wing politician denouncing Islam and accusing the Prophet Mohammed of having been a paedophile provoked widespread outrage in Austria on Monday, with authorities investigating whether they constituted hate speech.

Susanne Winter, a candidate for the Freedom Party in local elections in Graz in south-eastern Austria, said on Sunday that Mohammed's marriage to a 6-year-old girl would make the prophet a 'paedophile in today's system.'

Speaking at a rally, Winter demanded that Islam should be 'thrown back where it came from, beyond the Mediterranean Sea.'

Winter later justified her attacks. 'There is widespread child abuse by Muslim men,' she was quoted as saying by the newspaper Oesterreich.

'Why can't I say this? That has nothing to do with hate speech. We want neither Austrian nor foreign paedophiles. I did not want to incite hatred, or offend a religious community,' she said.

Austria's authorities were investigating whether Winter's remarks constituted incitement to hatred, a spokesman from the prosecutor's office said. If found guilty, Winter could face up to two years in prison.

Politicians from all other factions sharply denounced Winter's remarks and called for her resignation.

Muslim representatives in Austria criticized the remarks. Omar al- Rawi, a spokesman for Austria's Muslim community, slammed the lack of respect shown by the right-wing politician.

Attacks against Islam had reached a level that 'made one's stomach turn,' al-Rawi said.

Graz will elect a local government on January 20. In the 2006 general elections the Freedom Party received 13 per cent of the vote.

The affair is reminiscent of the controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed, published in a Danish newspaper in September 2005 that later caused international protests, resulting in a number of deaths.

AUSTRIAN POLITICIAN MAY FACE JAIL TIME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM (http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/01/austrian-politi.html)
~~~~~~~~~

We need to pray for Susan Winter for telling the truth!!


Title: Ga. church leader accused of perjury
Post by: Shammu on January 15, 2008, 02:19:11 PM
Ga. church leader accused of perjury

Tue Jan 15, 6:26 AM ET

ATLANTA - An 80-year-old leader of a suburban megachurch who is at the center of a sex scandal has been charged with lying under oath for saying he had sex outside marriage with only one other woman, court documents show.

A warrant for the arrest of Archbishop Earl Paulk, co-founder of Cathedral of the Holy Spirit at Chapel Hill Harvester Church, was issued Monday, according to court documents. Paulk was making arrangements Monday night to turn himself in, WAGA-TV reported.

His attorneys did not immediately return calls from The Associated Press seeking comment.

Former church employee Mona Brewer is suing Paulk, his brother and the church on allegations that Paulk manipulated her into an affair from 1989 to 2003 by telling her it was her only path to salvation. In a 2006 deposition stemming from the lawsuit, the archbishop said under oath that the only woman he had ever had sex with outside of his marriage was Brewer.

But the results of a court-ordered paternity test revealed in October that Paulk is the biological father of his brother's son, D.E. Paulk, who is now head pastor at the church. As part of Brewer's lawsuit, eight women have given sworn depositions that they were coerced into sexual relationships with Earl Paulk.

A judge ordered the paternity test at the request of the Cobb County district attorney's office and the Georgia Bureau of Investigation. District Attorney Pat Head declined to comment when reached at his home Monday night.

Paulk and his brother, Don, have been hit with lawsuits from former members alleging they were coerced into sexual affairs, but this is the first time criminal charges have been filed against the archbishop.

Ga. church leader accused of perjury (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080115/ap_on_re_us/preacher_paternity)


Title: Re: AUSTRIAN POLITICIAN MAY FACE JAIL TIME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM
Post by: nChrist on January 15, 2008, 06:47:27 PM
AUSTRIAN POLITICIAN MAY FACE JAIL TIME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM

Right wing Austrian politician, Susan Winter, is being censured by dhimmis for telling the truth about Islam.

1.) It is true that Mohammed married a 6 year old little girl.

2.) It is true that many muslim men have a propensity for child abuse - one recent example is cited but search the web and you will find a MANY more-worldwide.

True to form the other politician were quick to jump all over Winter and denounce her (fact based) words - so heavily is dhimmification in Austria as well as the majority of Europe. The other typical response is for muslim leaders( to completely ignore the truth) and to immediately begin the "Call to Whine" about supposed Islamophobia and how mistreated they are by Europeans -- even though it has been proven that Islamophobia is a fabrication and there is NO anti-muslim backlash in Europe. (It should be noted that the numbers of muslims will overtake Austrian Protestants by 2010 another indication that muslims are exceptionally well treated in Europe to the point that Europe is being Islamicized.)

Hate crime legislation is being used repeatedly to silence any and all dissenters who speak out against the Islamization of Europe. Freedom of speech and the acknowledgement of truth, in Europe, is under assault by dhimmi politicians & multiculturalists who refuse to accept the facts that their errant ideology is destroying Europe.

Austrian authorities investigate Islam-bashing by rightist lawmaker

Jan 14, 2008, 11:59 GMT

Vienna - Remarks by a right-wing politician denouncing Islam and accusing the Prophet Mohammed of having been a paedophile provoked widespread outrage in Austria on Monday, with authorities investigating whether they constituted hate speech.

Susanne Winter, a candidate for the Freedom Party in local elections in Graz in south-eastern Austria, said on Sunday that Mohammed's marriage to a 6-year-old girl would make the prophet a 'paedophile in today's system.'

Speaking at a rally, Winter demanded that Islam should be 'thrown back where it came from, beyond the Mediterranean Sea.'

Winter later justified her attacks. 'There is widespread child abuse by Muslim men,' she was quoted as saying by the newspaper Oesterreich.

'Why can't I say this? That has nothing to do with hate speech. We want neither Austrian nor foreign paedophiles. I did not want to incite hatred, or offend a religious community,' she said.

Austria's authorities were investigating whether Winter's remarks constituted incitement to hatred, a spokesman from the prosecutor's office said. If found guilty, Winter could face up to two years in prison.

Politicians from all other factions sharply denounced Winter's remarks and called for her resignation.

Muslim representatives in Austria criticized the remarks. Omar al- Rawi, a spokesman for Austria's Muslim community, slammed the lack of respect shown by the right-wing politician.

Attacks against Islam had reached a level that 'made one's stomach turn,' al-Rawi said.

Graz will elect a local government on January 20. In the 2006 general elections the Freedom Party received 13 per cent of the vote.

The affair is reminiscent of the controversy over cartoons depicting the Prophet Mohammed, published in a Danish newspaper in September 2005 that later caused international protests, resulting in a number of deaths.

AUSTRIAN POLITICIAN MAY FACE JAIL TIME FOR TELLING THE TRUTH ABOUT ISLAM (http://theopinionator.typepad.com/my_weblog/2008/01/austrian-politi.html)
~~~~~~~~~

We need to pray for Susan Winter for telling the truth!!

If someone goes to jail for telling the TRUTH, let's ALL tell the TRUTH and go to jail - AND KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH OVER AND OVER AGAIN!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 15, 2008, 07:21:54 PM
Quote
Winter demanded that Islam should be 'thrown back where it came from, beyond the Mediterranean Sea.'

That should read "back to the depths from which it came".

This is the exact same thing that is happening here in the U.S. as well as the rest of the world not just there.

If someone goes to jail for telling the TRUTH, let's ALL tell the TRUTH and go to jail - AND KEEP TELLING THE TRUTH OVER AND OVER AGAIN!

AMEN!



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 17, 2008, 07:51:21 PM
1st animal-human embryo trials to go ahead 
UK approves research teams to carry out controversial work

Experiments to create Britain’s first embryos that merge human and animal material will begin within months after a Government watchdog today approved two research teams to carry out the controversial work.

Scientists at King’s College London and the University of Newcastle-upon-Tyne will now inject human DNA into empty eggs from cows, to create embryos known as cytoplasmic hybrids that are 99.9 per cent human in genetic terms.

The experiments are intended to provide insights into diseases such as Parkinson’s and spinal muscular atrophy by producing stem cells containing genetic defects that contribute to these conditions.

These will be used as cell models for investigating new approaches to treatment and for improving understanding of how embryonic stem cells develop. They will not be used in therapy, and it is illegal to implant them into the womb.

The decision by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority (HFEA) to grant one-year licences to both teams ends more than a year of uncertainty for the researchers, who first applied for permission to start the work in the autumn of 2006.

Last January the authority deferred a decision and launched a consultation on the issue, which reported in September that the public was broadly supportive. In late November it again delayed ruling because of concerns about procedures for obtaining consent from the donors of the human DNA to be used.

While the HFEA was deliberating, the Government first proposed a ban on the creation of human-animal embryos, also known as “cybrids”, then backtracked after a revolt by scientists.

The creation of human-animal embryos will be explicitly permitted by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill currently passing through Parliament, subject to HFEA licensing. An amendment that would have blocked such research was defeated in the House of Lords on Monday by a majority of 172.

Stephen Minger, who leads the King’s team, said yesterday he was delighted that he would finally be able to start the experiments. “I am pleased that the HFEA has finally after a year and a half realised the importance that the work that we and the group from Newcastle have been licensed for,” he said.

“I am grateful to the scientific community, patient organisations and disease charities for all of the support we have received over the past 18 months. Their backing has been invaluable. This shows that the scientific community can be involved in and influence government policy.”

Lyle Armstrong, who leads the Newcastle group, said: “The award of the HFEA licence is great news. We initially applied for approval to use cow eggs as a means to understand the way they can convert skin cells into embryonic stem cells. Finding better ways to make human embryonic stem cells is the long-term objective of our work and understanding reprogramming is central to this.

“Cow eggs seem to be every bit as good at doing this job as human eggs so it makes sense to use them since they are much more readily available, but it is important to stress that we will only use them as a scientific tool and we need not worry about cells derived from them ever being used to treat human diseases.”

The HFEA has attached conditions to each of the one-year licences but these are not expected to be a barrier to either research project.

The Newcastle group has been asked to provide patient consent forms and to obtain approval from the university’s ethics committee before working with DNA from donated skin cells but it has been cleared to start work immediately using DNA from the UK Stem Cell Bank.

It had originally proposed to use human tissue from a commercial US bank but this was rejected because the donors had not given explicit consent for their cells to be used for making cloned embryos that would be destroyed in experiments.

The King’s licence requires Professor Minger to complete an HFEA training course, which is a formality as he has previously held similar licences. It also requires approval from a local ethics committee before work can begin, which is expected to be granted now the HFEA has ruled positively.

Some critics of cybrid embryos have argued that their use is no longer necessary, given the recent development of a reprogramming technique that can turn back the clock on adult tissue to make “induced pluripotent” stem cells with embryo-like properties, but the HFEA licence committee rejected this.

“The committee considered the emergence of new technologies for reprogramming adult somatic [non-reproductive] cells and agreed that, while very promising, these new technologies do not obviate the need for the basic research into differentiation of pluripotential embryonic stem cells as proposed in this application,” it said.

The decision was welcomed by independent stem cell expertts. Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, of the National Institute for Medical Research in London, said: “The HFEA’s decision is excellent as it adds to the arsenal of techniques UK scientists can use to provide understanding and eventually develop therapies for a wide range of devastating genetic diseases.

“The cloning method allows a patient’s cells to be reprogrammed back into early embryos from which valuable embryonic stem cells can be isolated, and it is the latter that will be studied. While scientists may prefer to use human eggs, these are in short supply and preference should rightly be for their use in treating infertility.

“It is logical to use animal eggs to refine techniques, provide knowledge of reprogramming and early development, and understanding of disease mechanisms. Furthermore, while there are new methods of reprogramming adult cells back to pluripotent embryonic stem-like cells, namely induced pluripotent stem cells, it is important to pursue all avenues as we cannot know in advance which will succeed. Besides, a comparative approach often reveals the most.”


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 18, 2008, 02:09:22 PM
Ethical storm as scientist clones himself 
Creates embryo copies by placing his skin cells in woman's egg

A scientist has achieved a world first... by cloning himself.

In a breakthrough certain to provoke an ethical furore, Samuel Wood created embryo copies of himself by placing his skin cells in a woman's egg.

The embryos were the first to be made from cells taken from adult humans.

Although they survived for only five days and were smaller than a pinhead, they are seen as a milestone in the quest for treatments for diseases such as Alzheimer's and Parkinson's.

But critics fear the technology could be exploited by mavericks to clone babies and accused the scientists of reducing the miracle of human life to a factory of spare parts.

Researchers from the Californian stem cell research company Stemagen employed the same technique used to make Dolly the sheep, the world's first cloned mammal, to create the embryos.

They took eggs donated by young women having IVF and replaced genetic material with DNA from the skin cells of two men.

The eggs were then zapped with an electric current to induce fertilisation and the creation of embryos.

Some of the skin cells came from Dr Wood, Stemagen's chief executive officer and a leading fertility specialist, while the others came from another member of staff.

The result was a handful of embryos, at least three of them clones of Dr Wood and the other man.

Although all were destroyed in the process, the technique is seen as a vital step in the creation of cloned embryos rich in stem cells, which are "master cells" capable of becoming any type of body tissue.

Such stem cells could be invaluable in the study of diseases and the testing of drugs.

They could ultimately be used to replace the damaged tissues behind diseases from Alzheimer's to diabetes.

Stem cells taken from cloned embryos would be a perfect match to the patient, whose body would not reject them.

Dr Wood, who has degrees in medicine, psychology, biochemistry and molecular biophysics, called the research "a critical milestone" in the development of treatments.

The unmarried father of two, who is in his forties, is working on extracting stem cells from such embryos - a process that inevitably leads to the death of the embryo.

John Smeaton, of the Society for the Protection of Unborn Children, said: "We have got scientists wandering around in an ethical wilderness, forgetting about matters of justice relating to our fellow human beings.

"We have people creating human beings with the intention of destroying them. That's appalling."

And the Vatican condemned the cloning of human embryos, calling it the "worst type of exploitation of the human being".

"This ranks among the most morally illicit acts, ethically speaking," said Monsignor Elio Sgreccia, president of the Pontifical Academy for Life, the Vatican department that helps oversee the Church's position on bioethics issues.

Stem cell experts gave the U.S. breakthrough, published in the journal Stem Cells, a cautious welcome.

Professor Robin Lovell-Badge, of the Medical Research Council's National Institute for Medical Research, said: "This is another step along what has turned out to be a tortuous road.

"However, it is still a long way from the goal of achieving embryonic stem cells."

U.S. researcher Professor Robert Lanza questioned the validity of the research and said the embryos looked "very unhealthy".

Josephine Quintavalle, of the campaign group Comment On Reproductive Ethics, said: "Human cloning is unethical, unsafe, and completely unnecessary.

"It is time that scientists started to put some brakes on."

Dr Calum MacKellar, of the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, said the creation and destruction of human embryos was "extremely offensive to millions in the UK".

Although Dr Wood's team is the first to create human embryos from adult cells, human embryos have been cloned before.

Scientists at Newcastle University created cloned human embryos in 2005 using cells from embryos rather than adults, seen as less useful in creating potential treatments.

British law says created embryos must be destroyed in 14 days and cannot be implanted in a woman.

The news came as it was revealed that animal-human hybrid embryos will be created in British laboratories within weeks after the research was allowed by the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Authority.

Two teams have been licensed to make cow-human hybrids for research into incurable diseases.

Scientists say they are needed because of a shortage of human eggs for research.

The embryos would be more than 99 per cent human and would have to be destroyed after two weeks.

But Mr Smeaton said: "It is creating a category of beings regarded as sub-human who can be used as raw material to benefit other members of the human family.

"How wrong can something be before a scientist understands you cannot just do it because of the perceived good for human beings."


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 19, 2008, 10:02:09 AM
District lessons teach 'erotic' sex techniques
Parents group wants halt in 'violations of state law'

A parents group is asking a judge to halt an explicit sex-education curriculum implemented by a Maryland school board that teaches homosexuality is innate and provides depictions of "erotic" sex techniques.

Brandon M. Bolling, of the Thomas More Law Center, told Judge William J. Rowan III that state law requires that information presented in public schools be supported with evidence, and the teaching that homosexuality is "innate" lacks that support.

"The Maryland law says you have to teach something that is factually accurate," he told the judge. "They are not doing that. That is illegal."

He also argued that the lessons required by Montgomery County Board of Education teach students how to use condoms in violation of a state prohibition against material that "portrays erotic techniques of gotcha146."

The judge promised to issue a decision in a written ruling.

At issue is a series of lessons created by the Montgomery County school board for students that, opponents say, conflicts with the facts at hand.

"Declaring homosexuality to be 'innate' is a direct attack upon the ex-gay community and the possibility of changing one's sexual orientation," said Peter Sprigg, a Montgomery County resident and board member for Parents and Friends of Ex-Gays & Gays. He also served on the Citizens Advisory Committee that reviewed the curriculum.

"This statement was inserted into the curriculum at the last minute and was never reviewed by the Citizens Advisory Committee. It also directly contradicts the statement elsewhere in the curriculum that 'sexual orientation results from an interaction of cognitive, environmental, and biological factors,'" he said.

Bolling said the Maryland State Board of Education had abdicated its responsibility by allowing Montgomery County arbitrarily to decide that classroom discussions of oral and anal intercourse did not violate a state law against discussions of such "erotic" techniques.

Montgomery County educators have defended their decision to present the explicit sexual instruction to students. They also say any criticism of the curriculum "intrudes" into their right to teach children.

The school system launched its work on the highly explicit sex curriculum six years ago, and it earlier was struck down by a federal judge because of its content that condemned religious perspectives that did not endorse homosexuality. The newest challenge is an edited version of the curriculum that still includes elements to which parents have objected, such as the statement that being "gay" is a natural trait that people have at birth.

"The Montgomery County Board of Education claims that teaching children to 'respect' transsexuality, homosexuality and cross-dressing is a 'civic virtue,'" Regina Griggs, the executive director of PFOX, told WND earlier.

"But they refuse to teach respect for ex-gays or a child's right to not embrace homosexuality," she said.

The organization joined with Citizens for a Responsible Curriculum and the Family Leader Network in filing the request for the stay of the program targeting middle school and high school students in the district.

The court will may take into consideration the recent ruling from the Maryland Court of Appeals that concluded homosexual conduct is not immutable.

According to a blog on Montgomery County school issues, the court ruling "quoted laws from every state in the union except Massachusetts to support its finding that no gay gene exists."

"Don't forget, the sex ed curriculum does not discuss families (although the curriculum is called Family Life) spends much time pushing the gay agenda and directs students to chop off body parts and change their gender," the commentary said.

Plaintiffs in the court challenge have raised concerns regarding "the normalization of anal sex by the curriculum without warning about the increased HIV/AIDS risk of anal sex (even with a condom); the labeling as 'homophobic' for children holding traditional religious or moral beliefs regarding homosexuality; the exclusion of any information regarding ex-gays; the inclusion of transgender as a sexual orientation, even though it is characterized by the American Psychological Association as a mental disorder; the claim that homosexuality is 'innate,' although there is no scientific or medical study that points definitively to its origin."

Lacking, they say, is information from the Centers for Disease Control as well as the National Institute of Health raising concerns about the increased health risks of such alternative sexual lifestyle choices.

Also required is that students memorize "gay bullying" statistics provided by a homosexual advocacy organization, the plaintiffs note.

"Nowhere is abstinence or sex placed within the context of marriage. The word marriage is not mentioned in the 8th or 10th grade lessons," the critique said.

WND has documented a number of earlier cases in which educators have promoted a homosexual lifestyle to children under their charge.

WND reported California Superintendent of Public Instruction Jack O'Connell, under whose supervision hundreds of thousands of children are being educated, has used his state position and taxpayer-funded stationery to praise a "gay" pride event used in the past to expose children to sexually explicit activities.

That drew vehement objections from several educators, including Priscilla Schreiber, the president of the Grossmont Unified High School District governing board.

"I am outraged that a person in this high-ranking elected position would advocate an event where diversity is not just being celebrated but where pornography and indecent exposure is being perpetrated on the young and innocent children of our communities," she said.

California's legislature also approved a new law that will ban the use of any words or terms that can be perceived as derogatory to homosexuals, bisexuals, transgenders and those with other alternative lifestyles.

WND also covered the issue when officials in Boulder, Colo., held a seminar for students in which they were told to "have sex," including same-sex experiences, and "take drugs."

Another school event promoted homosexuality to students while banning parents, and at still another, WND reported school officials ordered their 14-year-old freshman class into a "gay" indoctrination seminar after having them sign a confidentiality agreement promising not to tell their parents.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on January 19, 2008, 10:53:28 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

It's a sad and evil state of affairs when JESUS CHRIST can't be taught in the classroom, but filthy and perverted sex acts that cause dreaded diseases and death can be. If we left religion out of the discussion entirely, we would still be talking about filthy and perverted sex acts that cause dreaded diseases and death. What IDIOTS want to teach something like this to our children? Do they have a brain cell left in their heads? Why are these BLOOMING IDIOTS allowed to even be close to a public school? The filthy and perverted acts they are promoting was a felony in every state in the land just a few short years ago. It was called a "Crime Against Nature" in many places, and this phrase has several root meanings. FIRST - A perversion of the natural. SECOND - A crime against GOD'S established NATURE! All of CREATION has a NATURE established by GOD.

If one were to look at the millions suffering from disease that will lead to death and the millions that are actually dying, why couldn't these IDIOT SCHOOL BOARDS be charged with ATTEMPTED MURDER of our children? If not that, how about RECKLESS DISREGARD FOR LIFE? As an easy example, there's a common sense reason why we don't teach elementary school children how to use explosives! WHY NOT? There are many laws designed to protect children, and we really need to start filing CRIMINAL CHARGES against these IDIOT SCHOOL BOARDS. They need to spend some time in JAIL or PRISON for RECKLESS CONDUCT WITH CHILDREN! Laws such as this will be known by various names, but you can be sure that they exist. Many other laws carry much heavier penalties if the crime is committed so many feet from a school. In short, there are CRIMINAL STATUTES that apply to what happens in and around our public schools. Once the perverted school board members and teachers are identified, they should be treated exactly like child molesters, listed as sex criminals, and banned from the presence or general area of children. Their names need to go into a national database so that the same applies in all states. If they want to teach something, LET THEM TEACH ANIMALS AT ZOOS OR NOTHING!


Title: Prophet Mohammed cartoon publisher jailed
Post by: Shammu on January 19, 2008, 01:22:48 PM
Prophet Mohammed cartoon publisher jailed
Pictures caused mass demonstrations across Muslim world
Jan. 19, 2008

BELARUS - Belarus on Friday jailed for three years an editor of an independent newspaper who reproduced cartoons of the Prophet Mohammed that first appeared in Denmark in 2005 and caused mass demonstrations across the Muslim world.

The 12 cartoons portraying the founder of Islam, including one showing the prophet with a bomb in his turban, outraged Muslims who saw them as blasphemous. More than 50 people died in protests across the world the following year.

Belarussian authorities shut down the "Zgoda" (Consensus) paper in March 2006, around the time when other European journals began reprinting the cartoons. The security service, still known by its Soviet-era name, the KGB, began an investigation after Muslims in the ex-Soviet state complained.

Editor Alexander Sdvizhkov was sentenced to three years in jail in a closed session of the court for incitement of religious and national hatred.

"May God and the holy cross be with us," Sdvizhkov said afterwards. His lawyer said she would appeal.

Muslims constitute about two or three percent of the 10 million residents of the country wedged between Russia and three members of the European Union. The Muslim community had called for leniency in the case.

Miklos Haraszti, media freedom representative for the 56-nation Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe, protested against Sdvizhkov's jailing, calling the case against him "shocking" and saying he should be freed.

"Persecution of journalists for trying to inform the public on important issues is a misuse of hate speech laws," Haraszti said in a statement from Vienna. "In fact the Belarus government has used the international controversy around the cartoons as a pretext to eliminate a critical voice from public life."

President Alexander Lukashenko is accused by the West of ruling the country with an iron grip, jailing opponents, shutting down independent media and rigging polls, including his own re-election to a third term in 2006.

Prophet Mohammed cartoon publisher jailed (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22731177/)


Title: Re: Prophet Mohammed cartoon publisher jailed
Post by: Shammu on January 19, 2008, 01:26:17 PM
For those of you, that haven't seen this cartoon pictures, here they are in all there glory.

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I will post the next 6, after this on finishes posting.


Title: Re: Prophet Mohammed cartoon publisher jailed
Post by: Shammu on January 19, 2008, 01:30:13 PM

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Now I don't see anything wrong with these pictures. After all, look what the muslims do to the Bible. You don't see Christians rioting in the streets.


Title: Follow-up: Canada takes U.S. and Israel off torture watchlist
Post by: Shammu on January 19, 2008, 01:40:18 PM
Canada takes U.S. and Israel off torture watchlist
Sat Jan 19, 2008 11:44am EST

By David Ljunggren

OTTAWA (Reuters) - Canada's foreign ministry, responding to pressure from close allies, said on Saturday it would remove the United States and Israel from a watch list of countries where prisoners risk being tortured.

Both nations expressed unhappiness after it emerged that they had been listed in a document that formed part of a training course manual on torture awareness given to Canadian diplomats.

Foreign Minister Maxime Bernier said he regretted the embarrassment caused by the public disclosure of the manual, which also classified some U.S. interrogation techniques as torture.

"It contains a list that wrongly includes some of our closest allies. I have directed that the manual be reviewed and rewritten," Bernier said in a statement.

"The manual is neither a policy document nor a statement of policy. As such, it does not convey the government's views or positions."

The document -- made available to Reuters and other media outlets -- embarrassed the minority Conservative government, which is a staunch ally of both the United States and Israel.

U.S. ambassador David Wilkins said the listing was absurd while the Israeli envoy said he wanted his country removed.

Asked why the two countries had been put on the list, a spokesman for Bernier said: "The training manual purposely raised public issues to stimulate discussion and debate in the classroom."

The government mistakenly gave the document to Amnesty International Canada as part of a court case the rights organization has launched against Ottawa over the treatment of detainees in Afghanistan.

No one from Amnesty was immediately available for comment.

Under "definition of torture" the document lists U.S. interrogation techniques such as forced nudity, isolation, sleep deprivation and blindfolding prisoners.

It also mentions the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba, where a Canadian man is being held.

The man, Omar Khadr, has been in Guantanamo Bay for five years. He is accused of killing a U.S. soldier during a clash in Afghanistan in 2002, when he was 15.

Other countries on the watch list include Syria, China, Iran, Afghanistan, Mexico and Saudi Arabia.

The foreign ministry launched the torture awareness course after Ottawa was rapped for the way it handled the case of Canadian engineer Maher Arar, who was deported from the United States to Syria in 2002.

Arar says he was tortured repeatedly during the year he spent in Damascus prisons. An official inquiry into the affair showed Canadian diplomats had not been trained to detect whether detainees might have been abused.

Canada takes U.S. and Israel off torture watchlist (http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUSN1762987120080119?feedType=RSS&feedName=topNews&rpc=22&sp=true)


Title: Spanish priest to lead Jesuits
Post by: Shammu on January 19, 2008, 01:48:55 PM
Spanish priest to lead Jesuits
ROME (AP) — The Jesuits, a Roman Catholic order known for intellectual excellence and missionary work, on Saturday chose a 71-year-old Spanish priest with top academic credentials and extensive experience in Asia to be their new leader.

The Rev. Adolfo Nicolas was chosen to serve as superior general, the 29th successor to St. Ignatius Loyola, who founded the Society of Jesus, as the order is formally known, in 1540. With nearly 20,000 members worldwide, it is the largest Catholic religious order.

The choice of Nicolas followed four days of prayer and discussion among 217 electors who came to Rome from around the world, the Jesuits said.

Pope Benedict XVI was informed of the choice and immediately gave his approval, Vatican officials said. Papal approval is required.

Nicolas succeeds Peter-Hans Kolvenbach, a Dutch priest who was elected leader in 1983 and who was widely credited with improving the Jesuits' often tense relations with the Vatican.

Jesuit leaders traditionally serve for life, but Kolvenbach, who turns 80 this year, had asked to retire because of his age.

A native of Spain, Nicolas was ordained a priest in Tokyo in 1967 after studies in theology in that city and earlier in philosophy in Madrid. He received a masters degree in sacred theology in Rome's prestigious Gregorian Pontifical University.

He then embarked on nearly four decades of work in the Pacific, taking a theology professorship at Sophia University in Tokyo in 1971 and directing a pastoral institute in Manila, from 1978 to 1984. In the 1990s he held leadership positions in the order in Japan and from 2004 to 2007 served as moderator of the Jesuit Conference for Eastern Asia and Oceania.

He also has had experience in Korea.

Nicolas' Asian experience will help him "understand the world, and the church, from a non-European perspective," said James Martin, a priest who is associate editor of America Magazine, a New York-based Jesuit publication, in an e-mailed comment.

In a profile last year on an Australian Jesuit website, Province Express, Nicolas expressed the conviction that the West does not have a monopoly on meaning and spirituality.

"Asia has a lot yet to offer to the church, to the whole church," Nicolas was quoted as saying.

The new leader in his Asia positions has been responsible for training young Jesuits as the order grapples with a drop in a number of new priests, a problem affecting Catholic religious orders in general.

In the same profile, Nicolas said he was wary of missionaries who are more concerned with teaching and imposing orthodoxy than in having a cultural exchange with the local people.

"Those who enter into the lives of people, they begin to question their own positions very radically," Nicolas said.

Intellectual challenges have long characterized Jesuits.

The Jesuits have had a tense relationship with the Vatican on issues of doctrine and obedience. The Vatican occasionally disciplines Jesuit theologians and issues reminders of the their vows of obedience to the pontiff.

In past decades, aspects of their work with the poor in Latin America left the Vatican with the perception that some Jesuits were embracing liberation theology and Marxist political movements.

In 1981, Pope John Paul II named a temporary replacement to lead the Jesuits after its superior, the Rev. Pedro Arrupe, suffered a crippling stroke, brushing aside Arrupe's chosen successor. Paolo Dezza, an Italian who later was made a cardinal, guided the Jesuits until 1983, when Kolvenbach took the helm.

Arrupe, who died in 1991, had pushed for the church to move for a more socially just world while remaining faithful to papal authority.

For many, the Jesuits are synonymous with higher education. In the United States alone, the Jesuits run 28 colleges and universities, including Georgetown in Washington, D.C., Fordham in New York and the University of San Francisco, and dozens of middle schools and high schools.

Spanish priest to lead Jesuits (http://www.usatoday.com/news/religion/2008-01-19-jesuits_N.htm)
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Colossians 2:8 See to it that no one carries you off as spoil or makes you yourselves captive by his so-called philosophy and intellectualism and vain deceit (idle fancies and plain nonsense), following human tradition (men's ideas of the material rather than the spiritual world), just crude notions following the rudimentary and elemental teachings of the universe and disregarding [the teachings of] Christ (the Messiah).


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Def on January 19, 2008, 04:40:43 PM
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Now I don't see anything wrong with these pictures. After all, look what the muslims do to the Bible. You don't see Christians rioting in the streets.

What lack of maturity  grabing at anything to achive somekind of power being offended by tidbits like three years old. like that is mine no no thats is mine..


Title: Do-it-yourself 'spirituality' linked to poor mental health
Post by: Shammu on January 20, 2008, 04:40:50 PM
Do-it-yourself 'spirituality' linked to poor mental health
Study: Young adults believing in higher power other than God at greater risk for depression
Posted: January 20, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

The first study examining young adults' religious and spiritual thoughts, behavior and feelings in Australia has found those replacing traditional religious beliefs with trendy, self-focused religions and spirituality are not the happier for their attempts at self-transformation.

Rosemary Aird conducted surveys of 3,705 21-year-olds in Brisbane as part of her Ph.D. studies at the University of Queensland's School of Population Health.

"I had a look at two different beliefs – one was a belief in God, associated with traditional religions, and the other was the newer belief in a spiritual or higher power other than God," Aird told the Brisbane Times.

Her research found the newer non-traditional beliefs linked to higher rates of "anxiety, depression, disturbed and suspicious ways of thinking and anti-social behavior" – results, she suggested, arising from New Age beliefs focused on self-transformation, self-fulfillment and self-enlightenment to the exclusion of community.

"Traditional religion tends to promote the idea of social responsibility and thinking of others' interests, whereas the New Age movement pushes the idea that we can transform the world by changing ourselves.

"The downside is that people are very much on their own and not part of a community, which may lead to a kind of isolation," she said.

Aird, a 51-year-old agnostic, said individualism was the common thread in the shift away from traditional religious thoughts to non-religious spirituality.

In Aird's study, eight percent of respondents attended church once a week, a practice linked to a reduction in antisocial behavior among males, but not females. While those with traditional religious beliefs enjoyed no major benefit in the study, their New Age counterparts were twice as likely to report higher levels of anxiety and depression.

Those coming from Pentecostal backgrounds were less likely than other religions to adopt non-traditional beliefs in adulthood.

"People who are into the New Age spirituality tend to shop around and will often borrow from all sorts of old beliefs, like Wicca, witchcraft or Native American religions," said Aird. "It's a whole mish-mash and changes all the time, where they'll do something for a while before doing something else.

"If there's no sense of any kind of tradition, it means you're kind of cast adrift and means there's no fundamental basic thing to hang on to."

Aird said popular culture has fed the trend toward non-traditional beliefs with a popularization of "spirituality."

"Religion and belief has kind of become mixed up with popular culture," she said.

"Look at television and the kinds of shows that we've got, like 'Supernatural,' 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 'Medium'. They promote witchcraft, special powers and spirituality and the general population and young people especially are exposed to these things and could see them as very attractive.

"People want to find some way of embedding these things into some sort of belief system."

Aird also singled out popular self-help books for creating a do-it-yourself approach to matters of faith.

"My generation was about social responsibility and collective interests compared to the Me Generation," Aird said. "'New Spirituality' promotes the idea that self-transformation will lead to a positive and constructive change in self and society.

"But there is a contradiction – how can one change society if one is focused on oneself?"


Title: Row erupts in Australia over 'gay' Jesus play
Post by: Shammu on January 20, 2008, 04:51:22 PM
Row erupts in Australia over 'gay' Jesus play

Sun Jan 20, 1:20 AM ET

SYDNEY (AFP) - Australian church leaders have condemned a play shortly to open in Sydney depicting Jesus as a gay man who is seduced by Judas, a report said Sunday.

The play, named Corpus Christi, is due to open next month as part of the city's annual Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, Sydney's Sun-Herald newspaper reported.

A senior Sydney churchman called the play "historical nonsense".

"It is deliberately, not innocently, offensive and they're obviously having a laugh about it," Robert Forsyth, Anglican bishop of South Sydney, was quoted saying.

Apart from the relations between Jesus and Judas, the play also features Jesus conducting a gay marriage between two apostles.

The play's director Leigh Rowney, who claims to be a Christian, accepted the play would offend some Christians but said he was keen to provoke debate about Christianity.

"I wanted this play in the hands of a Christian person like myself to give it dignity but still open it up to answering questions about Christianity as a faith system," Rowney was quoted saying.

Playwright Terrence McNally, who is gay, received death threats when the work was performed in the United States, the newspaper said.

Row erupts in Australia over 'gay' Jesus play (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080120/ts_afp/australiareligiongay;_ylt=AqlbXE_tlCfFXGOGJUaljwpvaA8F)


Title: The Godless world of muslims
Post by: Shammu on January 20, 2008, 05:05:33 PM
Separated Saudi couple sues to reunite
Woman’s family had marriage annulled, saying she married beneath her
updated 2 hours, 29 minutes ago

RIYADH, Saudi Arabia - Two years ago, a knock on Fatima and Mansour al-Timani's door shattered the life they had built together.

It was the police, delivering news that a judge had annulled their marriage in absentia after some of Fatima's relatives sought the divorce on grounds she had married beneath her.

That was just the beginning of an ordeal for a couple who — under Saudi Arabia's strict segregation rules — can no longer live together. They sued to reverse the ruling, publicized their story and sought help from a Saudi human rights group.

But the two remain apart and Fatima is considering suicide, she said, if her recent appeal to King Abdullah doesn't reunite her with the man she still considers her husband.

"Only the king can resolve my case," Fatima told The Associated Press by telephone in a rare interview. "I want to return to my husband, but if that is not possible, I need to know so I can put an end to my life."

Fatima's case underscores shortcomings in the kingdom's Islamic legal system _ in which rules of evidence are shaky, lawyers are not always present and sentences often depend on the whim of judges.

Those rules' most frequent — and recently, most high-profile — victims are women, who already suffer severe restrictions on daily life in Saudi Arabia: They cannot drive, appear before a judge without a male representative, or travel abroad without a male guardian's permission.

Rape victim was pardoned
Recently, the king did intervene and pardon another high-profile defendant — a rape victim who was sentenced to lashes and jail time for being in a car with a man who was not her relative.

The two cases have brought Saudi human rights once again into the international spotlight — revealing not only the weakness of the kingdom's justice system, but the scant rights Saudi women have here.

"When I heard that the (rape victim) was pardoned, I couldn't believe it. My case is so much simpler than hers, since my divorce is invalid," Fatima said.

Fatima said her husband, a hospital administrator, followed Saudi tradition in asking her father for permission to marry her in 2003.

"My brother reported good things about him, so my dad accepted his proposal," said Fatima, a computer specialist who was 29 when she married.

She said her father knew that Mansour came from a less prominent tribe than hers, but that he didn't mind because he "cared about the man himself."

A few months after the wedding, several of Fatima's relatives persuaded her father to give them power of attorney to file a lawsuit demanding an annulment, she said.

Then her father died, and Fatima said she'd hoped the case would be dropped.

But on Feb. 25, 2006, police knocked on the couple's door to serve Mansour with divorce papers — which said his marriage had been annulled nine months earlier.

"We were shattered. How did this happen? Why?" Fatima asked.

Fatima took the couple's 2-year-old daughter and 4-month-old son to live with her mother, who had persuaded her to let Mansour deal with the legal issues on his own.

But after three months without her husband, Fatima and the children sneaked out of her mother's house and flew with Mansour to the western seaside city of Jiddah, where they sought to live in anonymity.

Family jailed
Saudi police soon discovered them and imprisoned the family for living together illegally.

"The police told me I either return to my (mother's) family or go to jail," Fatima said. "I chose jail."

"My children and I were thrown in a cell with women sentenced for pushing drugs, practicing witchcraft and behaving immorally," Fatima said. Authorities allowed her to send her daughter back to live with her father, but the infant stayed with Fatima in jail.

"He learned to speak in jail, he learned to walk in jail and his teeth came out in jail," she said.

Meanwhile, Mansour went to court to appeal the divorce ruling, but a Riyadh appeals court upheld the decision in 2007.

Last September, the head of a prominent Saudi human rights group reportedly asked the kingdom's highest court to review the case.

Bandar al-ubgone86ar, head of the National Society of Human Rights, submitted two Islamic studies concluding that the divorce was invalid, according to the Arab News, a Saudi English-language daily.

The studies, conducted by Islamic researcher gotcha98 Al-Zahrani and Bassam Al-Bassam, a counselor at the Court of Cassation in Mecca, said that if a woman's legal guardian represented her at the original wedding, then other relatives have no right to object to the marriage based on compatibility.

Both studies concluded that Fatima married Mansour with her father's permission, and that only the wife can decide whether she wants her marriage annulled, the paper reported.

Despite their legal fight, Fatima and Mansour remain apart.

After nine months in jail, Fatima moved to an orphanage where she and her son share an apartment with several other women.

Fatima said she is holding out hope the king might pardon her, and recognize her as "married to Mansour, before God."

"I love him more than ever. He's the only one who has stood by me," she said.

Separated Saudi couple sues to reunite (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22755046/?GT1=10755)


Title: Teen swimmers' photos put on gay sites
Post by: Shammu on January 20, 2008, 05:16:51 PM
Teen swimmers' photos put on gay sites
Police investigating whether campus dispatcher photographed kids

Jan. 20, 2008

SANTA ANA, Calif. - Several gay adult Web sites have posted photographs of teenage water polo players from several high schools in Southern California, a newspaper reported.

Some of the pictures, of boys as young as 14, were displayed next to photos of nude young men and graphic sexual content, an Orange County Register investigation found.  >:(

Parents, coaches and school officials were alarmed, and parents said some of the boys were traumatized and sought counseling.

"These kids don't look at what they do as shameful," said Joan Gould, an international water polo official and a spokeswoman for a group of Orange County water polo parents. "For someone to come in and take what these kids are doing and take it out of context and exploit these images, these kids and their schools, because you can see the school name on the caps, is just horrible."

Police at the University of California, Irvine, confirmed they are investigating whether a campus police dispatcher had photographed the high school athletes for gay-oriented sites. The man had not been charged, and police Chief Paul Henisey said he remained on duty.

"We're looking into the matter," Henisey said. "We're not exactly sure about what we have or what kinds of issues there are."

It was not clear if posting the pictures constituted an offense.

"With free speech and photography, there's a gray cloud in terms of what is legal, constitutional," said state Assemblyman Jose Solorio, chairman of the Assembly Public Safety Committee.

Solorio said he would have the committee investigate the matter.

The Register said it found photos of players from 11 Orange County high schools plus schools in Los Angeles and San Diego counties on several pages of one gay porn site registered to a London address. Photos were also posted on other sites, the paper reported.

Teen swimmers' photos put on gay sites (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22755552/)
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They ought to get some one to hack the website, and destroy this abomination!! These kids are as young as 14!!!!!!  I do know there is a law about this in the U.K.!!!


Title: Four Wounded in Chainsaw Attack at Missouri Homeless Shelter
Post by: Shammu on January 20, 2008, 05:20:06 PM
Four Wounded in Chainsaw Attack at Missouri Homeless Shelter

Saturday , January 19, 2008

AP

NEW BLOOMFIELD, Mo.  —
A man staying at a homeless shelter has wounded four people in a chainsaw and knife attack.

The Callaway County sheriff's office says 28-year-old Matthew Watkins is facing four counts each of first-degree assault and armed criminal action for the attack at the Mid-America Care Center. The homeless shelter is connected with Christian television station KNLJ.

Sheriff Dennis Crane says two victims were cut by a chainsaw and two others by a knife. Three of the victims were taken to hospitals, and Crane says at least one of those is in serious condition.

The sheriff's office says Watkins is originally from St. Louis. He is being held on $600,000 bond.

Four Wounded in Chainsaw Attack at Missouri Homeless Shelter (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,324121,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on January 20, 2008, 06:17:33 PM
Four Wounded in Chainsaw Attack at Missouri Homeless Shelter

Saturday , January 19, 2008

AP

NEW BLOOMFIELD, Mo.  —
A man staying at a homeless shelter has wounded four people in a chainsaw and knife attack.

The Callaway County sheriff's office says 28-year-old Matthew Watkins is facing four counts each of first-degree assault and armed criminal action for the attack at the Mid-America Care Center. The homeless shelter is connected with Christian television station KNLJ.

Sheriff Dennis Crane says two victims were cut by a chainsaw and two others by a knife. Three of the victims were taken to hospitals, and Crane says at least one of those is in serious condition.

The sheriff's office says Watkins is originally from St. Louis. He is being held on $600,000 bond.

Four Wounded in Chainsaw Attack at Missouri Homeless Shelter (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,324121,00.html)

My question would be how did he get the chain saw in the shelter without it being noticed???


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on January 20, 2008, 06:24:15 PM
Do-it-yourself 'spirituality' linked to poor mental health
Study: Young adults believing in higher power other than God at greater risk for depression
Posted: January 20, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily.com

The first study examining young adults' religious and spiritual thoughts, behavior and feelings in Australia has found those replacing traditional religious beliefs with trendy, self-focused religions and spirituality are not the happier for their attempts at self-transformation.

Rosemary Aird conducted surveys of 3,705 21-year-olds in Brisbane as part of her Ph.D. studies at the University of Queensland's School of Population Health.

"I had a look at two different beliefs – one was a belief in God, associated with traditional religions, and the other was the newer belief in a spiritual or higher power other than God," Aird told the Brisbane Times.

Her research found the newer non-traditional beliefs linked to higher rates of "anxiety, depression, disturbed and suspicious ways of thinking and anti-social behavior" – results, she suggested, arising from New Age beliefs focused on self-transformation, self-fulfillment and self-enlightenment to the exclusion of community.

"Traditional religion tends to promote the idea of social responsibility and thinking of others' interests, whereas the New Age movement pushes the idea that we can transform the world by changing ourselves.

"The downside is that people are very much on their own and not part of a community, which may lead to a kind of isolation," she said.

Aird, a 51-year-old agnostic, said individualism was the common thread in the shift away from traditional religious thoughts to non-religious spirituality.

In Aird's study, eight percent of respondents attended church once a week, a practice linked to a reduction in antisocial behavior among males, but not females. While those with traditional religious beliefs enjoyed no major benefit in the study, their New Age counterparts were twice as likely to report higher levels of anxiety and depression.

Those coming from Pentecostal backgrounds were less likely than other religions to adopt non-traditional beliefs in adulthood.

"People who are into the New Age spirituality tend to shop around and will often borrow from all sorts of old beliefs, like Wicca, witchcraft or Native American religions," said Aird. "It's a whole mish-mash and changes all the time, where they'll do something for a while before doing something else.

"If there's no sense of any kind of tradition, it means you're kind of cast adrift and means there's no fundamental basic thing to hang on to."

Aird said popular culture has fed the trend toward non-traditional beliefs with a popularization of "spirituality."

"Religion and belief has kind of become mixed up with popular culture," she said.

"Look at television and the kinds of shows that we've got, like 'Supernatural,' 'Buffy the Vampire Slayer' and 'Medium'. They promote witchcraft, special powers and spirituality and the general population and young people especially are exposed to these things and could see them as very attractive.

"People want to find some way of embedding these things into some sort of belief system."

Aird also singled out popular self-help books for creating a do-it-yourself approach to matters of faith.

"My generation was about social responsibility and collective interests compared to the Me Generation," Aird said. "'New Spirituality' promotes the idea that self-transformation will lead to a positive and constructive change in self and society.

"But there is a contradiction – how can one change society if one is focused on oneself?"

No kiddin'?  Why am I not surprised?  Are you surprised?  I'm not surprised.

Row erupts in Australia over 'gay' Jesus play

Sun Jan 20, 1:20 AM ET

SYDNEY (AFP) - Australian church leaders have condemned a play shortly to open in Sydney depicting Jesus as a gay man who is seduced by Judas, a report said Sunday.

The play, named Corpus Christi, is due to open next month as part of the city's annual Gay and Lesbian Mardi Gras, Sydney's Sun-Herald newspaper reported.

A senior Sydney churchman called the play "historical nonsense".

"It is deliberately, not innocently, offensive and they're obviously having a laugh about it," Robert Forsyth, Anglican bishop of South Sydney, was quoted saying.

Apart from the relations between Jesus and Judas, the play also features Jesus conducting a gay marriage between two apostles.

The play's director Leigh Rowney, who claims to be a Christian, accepted the play would offend some Christians but said he was keen to provoke debate about Christianity.

"I wanted this play in the hands of a Christian person like myself to give it dignity but still open it up to answering questions about Christianity as a faith system," Rowney was quoted saying.

Playwright Terrence McNally, who is gay, received death threats when the work was performed in the United States, the newspaper said.

Row erupts in Australia over 'gay' Jesus play (http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080120/ts_afp/australiareligiongay;_ylt=AqlbXE_tlCfFXGOGJUaljwpvaA8F)

And that's just plain sick

Teen swimmers' photos put on gay sites
Police investigating whether campus dispatcher photographed kids

Jan. 20, 2008

SANTA ANA, Calif. - Several gay adult Web sites have posted photographs of teenage water polo players from several high schools in Southern California, a newspaper reported.

Some of the pictures, of boys as young as 14, were displayed next to photos of nude young men and graphic sexual content, an Orange County Register investigation found.  >:(

Parents, coaches and school officials were alarmed, and parents said some of the boys were traumatized and sought counseling.

"These kids don't look at what they do as shameful," said Joan Gould, an international water polo official and a spokeswoman for a group of Orange County water polo parents. "For someone to come in and take what these kids are doing and take it out of context and exploit these images, these kids and their schools, because you can see the school name on the caps, is just horrible."

Police at the University of California, Irvine, confirmed they are investigating whether a campus police dispatcher had photographed the high school athletes for gay-oriented sites. The man had not been charged, and police Chief Paul Henisey said he remained on duty.

"We're looking into the matter," Henisey said. "We're not exactly sure about what we have or what kinds of issues there are."

It was not clear if posting the pictures constituted an offense.

"With free speech and photography, there's a gray cloud in terms of what is legal, constitutional," said state Assemblyman Jose Solorio, chairman of the Assembly Public Safety Committee.

Solorio said he would have the committee investigate the matter.

The Register said it found photos of players from 11 Orange County high schools plus schools in Los Angeles and San Diego counties on several pages of one gay porn site registered to a London address. Photos were also posted on other sites, the paper reported.

Teen swimmers' photos put on gay sites (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22755552/)
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They ought to get some one to hack the website, and destroy this abomination!! These kids are as young as 14!!!!!!  I do know there is a law about this in the U.K.!!!

Proving that homosexuality is a PERVERSION and not something you were born with.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on January 20, 2008, 09:59:19 PM
Online game rivalry ends with real life murder
A young Russian man has been charged with murder after an internet game jumped off the screen onto the street. It's alleged he killed an internet gaming rival after they met face to face in the city of Ufa.
 
Violence on screen isn't harmful to anyone. But when virtual reality and real life collide an innocent game can end in tragedy.

It all started when two clans - the Coo-clocks, made up of mostly students, and the so-called Platanium with more experienced gamers of over thirty - started fighting to wipe out each other on screen.   

33-year-old Albert used to spend hours in front of his computer. On the web he had his own clan and a dozen of warriors. Just days before the New Year in a virtual battle his clan killed a member of the hostile Coo-clocks. 

Days later the enemies agreed to meet literally face to face in the real world.

Their confrontation led to tragedy. Albert was badly beaten and died from his injuries on the way to hospital. 

“I think they have confused the game and reality. And after we buried him on December 31, they continued to threaten us,” Albert’s sister Albina says.   

The alleged murderer hasn't shown regret and hasn't justified himself. 22-year-old student just calmly explained why he killed his opponent. 

On the web each of the clans had its own hierarchy and rules

“Beat everything that moves, and everything that doesn’t move - move and beat!” – this is one of the rules of the Coo-clocks clan.

In this case the rule applied to real people in real life. Members of the internet Coo-clocks clan continue to harass the family of the murdered man, threatening to kill his sister, who hasn’t turned on the computer for days. 
 
In an unrelated case another gamer in his twenties came to Moscow from Ukraine to meet his rival. The confrontation ended in with the Moscow man being beaten to death. 

And a twenty-year-old from Petrosavodsk killed his grandmother after she interrupted his game calling him to eat.

However, internet experts say these cases shouldn't be lumped together just because some people can't handle the situation.

“Not many talk about the benefits of internet games for disabled people who don’t have a chance to communicate with others like themselves or able-bodied people.  Nobody mentions the benefits the internet can offer in education,” says Aleksandr Kuzmenko of a computer game magazine.   

With more and more people logging on to get their fix of virtual reality the experts say incidents like these are rare, and want it to stay that way.

I've already seen 2 different shows (one was Law and Order) along this same type of behavior.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on January 20, 2008, 10:33:39 PM
Davis County, UTAH —  A 14-year-old Utah boy has been charged with bestiality and lewdness for allegedly raping a dog, according to local affiliate FOX 13.

If convicted, the teen could face up to one year in jail and a fine of $2,500 under state law, which classifies cruelty to animals as a misdemeanor offense.

FOX 13 spoke with Cheryl Smith, executive director of the Utah Animal Adoption Center, about the case. She urged lawmakers to pass stricter laws against people who intentionally harm animals.

"These crimes are getting more and more common. And it’s very disturbing," she said.

Smith said the dog had been molested in "unspeakable ways," but that it was in good care now and adjusting well to its new surroundings, according to FOX 13.

She said she learned of the case after a concerned neighbor called to report a dog was being abused. The owners then released the dog to authorities.

I'm posting this because I'm wondering just how sick this world has to get before the Second Coming?  Just when I think I've heard every immoral thing that is going on, up pops something else.  Not I've never heard of this kind of thing, but it did catch me unawares tonight.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on January 22, 2008, 08:23:09 AM
Quote
GrammyLuv Said:

I'm posting this because I'm wondering just how sick this world has to get before the Second Coming?  Just when I think I've heard every immoral thing that is going on, up pops something else.  Not I've never heard of this kind of thing, but it did catch me unawares tonight.

Sister, I'm sad to say that I think we've only seen the first rounds of evil. I think that things will get MUCH WORSE, but I also think that JESUS CHRIST could come to RAPTURE HIS CHURCH HOME to GLORY at any time. In the meantime, the weirdos, perverts, and evil will have to put up with hosts of Christians who are still quite willing to stand up and call evil what it is - EVIL! It's almost impossible for decent people to imagine how someone would even get the idea to do something like this to an animal. We MUST remember that practices like this are mentioned in the Holy Bible as an ABOMINATION to GOD, so evil people have done sick, disgusting, and perverted things like this long before now. Sadly, evil people are capable of doing worse than this. Most police officers have seen things so horrible that they are impossible to forget.

Sister, I just heard something I loved on the Fox News Channel. I missed part of the story, but it was something about a child dying. The person being interviewed said something like this:  It's time for Christians to pray, put on the full armour of GOD, and go forth to do the WILL OF GOD! I heard this while typing the end of the previous paragraph. Sadly, the interview ended, and I didn't get the full details about what they were talking about. The details don't matter! Regardless of circumstances around the world, Christians should be PRAYING, putting on the FULL ARMOUR OF GOD, and going forth TO DO THE WILL OF GOD! If all Christians did this even ONCE, can we even imagine what the impact would be? The GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD is still the most powerful message in the world!


Love In Christ,
Tom

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Def on January 25, 2008, 02:55:42 PM
Sister, I'm sad to say that I think we've only seen the first rounds of evil. I think that things will get MUCH WORSE, but I also think that JESUS CHRIST could come to RAPTURE HIS CHURCH HOME to GLORY at any time. In the meantime, the weirdos, perverts, and evil will have to put up with hosts of Christians who are still quite willing to stand up and call evil what it is - EVIL! It's almost impossible for decent people to imagine how someone would even get the idea to do something like this to an animal. We MUST remember that practices like this are mentioned in the Holy Bible as an ABOMINATION to GOD, so evil people have done sick, disgusting, and perverted things like this long before now. Sadly, evil people are capable of doing worse than this. Most police officers have seen things so horrible that they are impossible to forget.

Sister, I just heard something I loved on the Fox News Channel. I missed part of the story, but it was something about a child dying. The person being interviewed said something like this:  It's time for Christians to pray, put on the full armour of GOD, and go forth to do the WILL OF GOD! I heard this while typing the end of the previous paragraph. Sadly, the interview ended, and I didn't get the full details about what they were talking about. The details don't matter! Regardless of circumstances around the world, Christians should be PRAYING, putting on the FULL ARMOUR OF GOD, and going forth TO DO THE WILL OF GOD! If all Christians did this even ONCE, can we even imagine what the impact would be? The GOSPEL OF THE GRACE OF GOD is still the most powerful message in the world!


Love In Christ,
Tom

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!
well it is nothing new.
and the reason people did not hear about it before is because the news dint not go as far.
 and some things should not be repeated.
but today the good and the bad is worldwide and so is the WORD
so I believe that Jesus Christ  is at the door.
the young and the weak feed from what comes out of your mouth good or bad.


Title: Canadian Anglican Bishop to Priests: Approve Homosexual Blessings or Resign
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:21:46 PM
Canadian Anglican Bishop to Priests: Approve Homosexual Blessings or Resign

By Hilary White

ST. JOHN'S, Newfoundland, January 22, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The deep fissures in the Anglican Communion are increasing as the sides line up in the fight over the "blessings" of homosexual partnerings. A diocese of the Anglican Church of Canada in Newfoundland has announced it will attempt to force its clergy to assent to the blessings, even as the rest of the Worldwide Anglican Communion continues to fracture over the issue.

Clergy were called to a mandatory meeting in the cathedral of St. John's and told that if they supported a breakaway movement that objects to the formal blessing of homosexual partnerings, they should "do the honourable thing and resign".

The retired former bishop of the diocese of Eastern Newfoundland and Labrador, Don Harvey as well as Malcolm Harding of Brandon, Manitoba, relinquished their licenses in November 2007 in the Anglican Church of Canada and transferred to the authority of Anglican Province of the Southern Cone of America a jurisdiction of the Anglican Church in South America.

Following Bishop Harvey's defection from the ultra-liberal Canadian Anglican Church, the new bishop, the Right Reverend Cyrus Pitman, had them repeat their priestly vows and exacted a loyalty pledge of sorts from his diocesan clergy and re-issued their licences signed by himself rather than Bishop Harvey.

Bishop Pitman wrote, "I would expect any clergy involved in the network and working to the establishment of a parallel jurisdiction to the Anglican Church of Canada would do the honourable thing and resign their positions, relinquishing their licences to exercise ordained ministry in this church as their leader has done."

The move follows decisions by other dioceses in the country. In October last year, the Anglican Diocese of Ottawa voted to recognize the blessing of marriage for same-sex partners who have been civilly "married" under Canadian law. The diocese of Montreal followed this with a decision to allow blessings for homosexual partners and the diocese of Niagara Falls followed suit in November.

A spokesman for the traditionally Christian group, Anglican Network in Canada, responded at the time, "We are grieved that the synod and bishops of Niagara have chosen to walk away from centuries of Christian teaching and defy the consensus within the Anglican Communion."

The Right Reverend Donald Harvey, Moderator of the Anglican Network in Canada continued, "There is clearly a growing momentum within the Anglican Church of Canada to ignore biblical teaching, disregard the views of the global Church, and even ignore the principles upon which the Canadian Church was founded. These actions have 'torn the fabric' of the Communion at its deepest level just as the Primates warned in October 2003."

In a letter to the Canadian Anglican Primate, the titular head of the Worldwide Anglican Communion, Archbishop of Canterbury Dr. Rowan Williams chastised groups of Canadian Anglicans who have broken away from the ultra-liberal mainstream church, accusing them of poaching clergy. Nevertheless, he admitted he has no authority to prevent what he called "interventions and irregular ordinations" by such groups.

Meanwhile, Williams, has announced that the church's dispute over sexual morality will be on the agenda for the next Lambeth Conference to be held in Kent this summer. "We will look at sexuality and the ministry of bishops. We will be reporting back from the listening process that came out of the previous Lambeth Conference." William said.

To date, only 70 per cent of the world's Anglican bishops invited to the ten-yearly Lambeth meeting have indicated they will attend.

A group of Anglican bishops who hold to the traditional Christian moral doctrines have announced they will be holding an alternate meeting in Jerusalem, a move not supported by the liberal Anglican bishop of that city. The week-long Global Anglican Futures or "Gafcon" conference is set for June, the same month as the Lambeth Conference, and will discuss "the future of mission and relationships within the churches of Anglican Communion".

Conservative Anglican commentator, David W. Virtue, summed up the essential division in the Anglican Communion, writing, "Most of the orthodox will stay away from Lambeth thus saying, in so many words, 'We have had enough and we will discuss what it means to fulfill the Great Commission'. The predominant voices at Lambeth will be liberals, not conservatives, with the loudest most strident left wing voices coming from the U.S., Canada, the UK, Wales, Scotland and Ireland."

Virtue points out that some bishops have worried publicly that if the conservative bishops stay away from Lambeth, the liberals will use it as an opportunity to overthrow Resolution 1:10, the lynchpin resolution of Lambeth 1998 that says sexual behaviour is only appropriate between a husband and wife.

Canadian Anglican Bishop to Priests: Approve Homosexual Blessings or Resign (http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2008/jan/08012204.html)


Title: Re: Canadian Anglican Bishop to Priests: Approve Homosexual Blessings or Resign
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:25:11 PM
Apostasy just keeps on growing, and growing. Its getting easier to see how the one world church will persecute and murder the saints. Embrace apostasy or else!!

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.


Title: Protestant Head, Pope Unite to Close 100th Christian Unity Week
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:28:17 PM
Protestant Head, Pope Unite to Close 100th Christian Unity Week
By
Ethan Cole
Christian Post Reporter
Fri, Jan. 25 2008 09:11 AM ET

Representatives of the two largest Christian bodies in the world will come together Friday evening in Rome to celebrate the centennial anniversary of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity and close the worldwide event.

General secretary Rev. Dr. Samuel Kobia of the World Council of Churches – which represents some 560 million Protestant Christians – will meet with Pope Benedict XVI – head of the more than 1-billion-member Roman Catholic Church – for a private meeting and later for an ecumenical Vespers service at the Roman basilica of St. Paul Outside the Walls.

Pope Benedict XVI will preside at the ecumenical service where Kobia will bring greetings on behalf of the fellowship of 347 churches constituting the WCC. The service concludes the traditional Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, celebrated Jan. 18-25 in the northern hemisphere. In the global south, churches favor the days around Pentecost to observe the Christian unity week.

The Roman Catholic Church has been part of the ecumenical event from nearly its inception.

In 1909, the Roman Catholic Pope at the time, Pius X, was approached about joining the event and ended up giving his official blessing to the effort. In 1916, Pope Benedict XV encouraged its observance throughout the Roman Catholic Church.

But it was in 1967 that members from Orthodox, Protestant and Roman Catholic Churches agreed to jointly observe a time of prayer called the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity. Since 1968, the World Council of Churches and the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity has worked together annually to promote prayer for the unity of Christian churches during the designated week.

This year marks the 100th anniversary of the annual event celebrated by millions of Christians worldwide. The theme this year was “Pray Without Ceasing,” taken from I Thessalonians 5:17.

On Friday, Pope Benedict XVI and Kobia will be joined by high-level representatives from both parties for the closing day of the Week of Prayer for Christian Unity.

Protestant Head, Pope Unite to Close 100th Christian Unity Week (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080125/30972_Protestant_Head%2C_Pope_Unite_to_Close_100th_Christian_Unity_Week.htm)


Title: Countdown Begins to Global Day of Prayer
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:30:35 PM
Countdown Begins to Global Day of Prayer
By
Maria Mackay
Christian Post Correspondent
Sat, Jan. 26 2008 08:59 AM ET

The countdown to the massive Global Day of Prayer (GDOP) event in London began Friday night when hundreds of Christians packed into Westminster Chapel to join in prayer and praise for the capital and the nation.

Around 30,000 Christians are expected to come to Millwall Stadium to pray for the capital and the nation on Pentecost Sunday, May 11, as part of the Global Day of Prayer. The movement brings together millions of Christians each year for a day of repentance and prayer for spiritual revival within the church and the establishment of God’s Kingdom on earth.

London organizers include the Bishop of Barking, the Rt. Rev. David Hawkins, and the head of one of London’s largest Pentecostal churches, Pastor Jonathan Oloyede of Glory House.

Oloyede shared the verse in the Bible, 2 Chronicles 7.14, which inspired South African Christian businessman Graham Power to start world prayer for revival just over eight years ago.

The verse reads, “If my people, who are called by my name, will humble themselves and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then will I hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and will heal their land.”

Oloyede continued, “If we do what we are supposed to do then God will do what He has to do.”

“We have to take London for Jesus. We have to take the nation for Jesus,” he added.

This year’s event will build on the huge success of the 2007 GDOP which drew 20,000 Christians to West Ham Stadium to pray.

GDOP London will also fall within a sweep of events around the city this year as part of the Pentecost Festival, which is being spearheaded by Share Jesus International (SJI). On May 9-11, Christians will flood to the capital’s churches, streets, theatres, pubs and cafes for a number of events including worship, prayer, campaigning and social action.

SJI head, Andy Frost, hit home the purpose of Pentecost Festival when he told believers, “The church is not dead. The church is alive and the church is active. We are going to show this nation just what Christians are doing.

“It is about making Jesus famous again and showing who He is in this city. The church is alive and we’ve got a message they need to hear.”

This year, GDOP is being rolled out across the UK, with events planned for Birmingham, Manchester, Cambridge, Derby and Stoke on Trent, where Christians have already signed up for 40 days of continuous prayer for the nation.

In 2007, churches across London prayed 24 hours a day, every day of the year, for the capital and the UK as part of the Year for London. This year, churches in the city are repeating the yearlong action, this time calling it the Canopy of Prayer.

The long-term vision is to take GDOP to Wembley Stadium in 2010. “It will be done in Jesus’ Name,” said Oloyede.

Countdown Begins to Global Day of Prayer (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080126/30986_Countdown_Begins_to_Global_Day_of_Prayer.htm)


Title: Churches Decry Israel's Treatment of Gaza
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:33:08 PM
Churches Decry Israel's Treatment of Gaza
By
Ethan Cole
Christian Post Reporter
Thu, Jan. 24 2008 09:10 AM ET

Churches in the Middle East denounced Israel’s blockade of Gaza as an “immoral act” that has cut off the entire country from proper food and medicine.

The Rev. Munib A. Younan, bishop of the Evangelical Lutheran Church in Jordan and the Holy Land, called the blockade of Gaza “illegal collective punishment, an immoral act in violation of the basic human and natural laws as well as International Law,” in a statement issued Jan. 22 – a day before Hamas militants destroyed the Gaza-Egypt barrier.

Younan and other Holy Land church leaders added that the blockade “cannot be tolerated anymore” and “the siege over Gaza should end now.”

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak had ordered the strip sealed off Jan. 17 because of persistent rocket fire from Gaza into Israel. But on Tuesday, the same day the letter was issued, Israel eased the blockade slightly transferring fuel to restart Gaza’s only power plant, according to The Associated Press.

“To deny children and civilians their necessary basic commodities are not the ways to security but rather throw the region into further and more dangerous deterioration. This siege will not guarantee the end to rocket firing, but will only increase the bitterness and suffering and invite more revenge, while the innocents keep dying,” the statement admonished.

The blockade “imprisoned” 1.5 million people “without proper food or medicine,” the church leaders voiced with concern. The punishment left large parts of the Palestinian territory, which also borders Egypt and the Mediterranean Sea, without access to electricity.

True to the church leaders’ words, a week after the blockade Hamas-linked militants knocked down the border wall separating Gaza and Egypt. On Wednesday, more than 50,000 Palestinians flooded into Egypt to stock up on needed supplies such as bread, oil, cheese, according to The Associated Press. Others carried crates of Coca-Cola, television sets, tires, furniture, car parts, shoes, generators, cleaning products, goats, chicken, cigarettes and even a motorcycle.

Egyptian officials as of Thursday have not attempted to reseal the broken border. Authorities have only begun to try to control the masses so they don’t move deeper into Egypt.

U.S. and Arab officials said Wednesday that Egypt assured it would soon reseal its border with Gaza, according to AP.

Yet despite sympathy for trapped Gazans, the Christian leaders also acknowledged that Palestinians firing rockets at Israel give reason for people to see justification in the blockade.

The leaders advised Palestinian officials “to unite in ending their differences for the sake of their people in Gaza.”

“Put the differences aside and deal with this crisis for the good of all human beings, demonstrating that you care for your brothers and sisters who have suffered enough already,” they said.

"We pray for the day when the people of Gaza will be free from occupation, from political differences, from violence and from despair. We pray for the Israelis and Palestinians to respect human life and God's love for every human life, and to take all possible measures to end this suffering," said the church leaders.

Heads of churches in the Mideast that signed the statement included (Roman Catholic) Latin Patriarch Michel Sabbah, Greek Orthodox Patriarch Theophilos III, Patriarch Torkom II Manooghian of the Armenian Apostolic Orthodox Church, Archbishop Anba Abraham of the Coptic Orthodox Patriarchate and Anglican Bishop Suheil Dawani.

Egypt reportedly told the United States it expected the Palestinian exodus from Gaza to end by midday Thursday.

Churches Decry Israel's Treatment of Gaza (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080124/30963_Churches_Decry_Israel%5C%27s_Treatment_of_Gaza.htm)


Title: Christians to Protest Outside ESPN HQ Over Anti-Jesus Remarks
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:36:33 PM
Christians to Protest Outside ESPN HQ Over Anti-Jesus Remarks
By
Alex Sheffrin
Christian Post Contributor
Fri, Jan. 25 2008 10:06 AM ET

Christian groups will gather Friday afternoon for a demonstration and prayer vigil outside the headquarters of ESPN over their disapproval with how the television network has responded to the anti-Jesus remarks made recently by one of their anchorwomen.

Though news anchor Dana Jacobson has been temporally suspended for one week for her Jan. 11 tirade – which reportedly included “**** Jesus” – many Christian groups feel that ESPN has been slow and reluctant to claim responsibility.

Catholic League president Bill Donohue noted that when late sportscaster Jimmy “The Greek” Snyder made disparaging remarks about blacks during a 1988 interview, he was immediately fired by CBS.

"It is obvious, then, that neither Jacobson nor ESPN is dealing with this matter in a professional way," Donohue said in a released statement.

The Rev. Patrick J. Mahoney of the Christian Defense Coalition, which plans to lead Friday’s demonstration, also holds a similar view and believes that there is a double standard in the media towards Christians.

"Imagine the outrage if Ms. Jacobson said, '**** Mohammed,' '**** Jews,' or '**** African Americans,'” he said in a released statement. “We would simply ask that the parent company of ESPN, ABC, treat this incident the same way they did when Isaiah Washington publicly used the word 'fag' when referring to a cast member. A week suspension is simply not enough and sends a message that ESPN tolerates this kind of behavior and speech."

Jacobson made her anti-Jesus remarks during a Jan. 11 roast in Atlantic City.

She was reportedly intoxicated during the incident, talking vulgarly about Jesus and a colleague’s alma mater, Notre Dame.

The Press of Atlantic City described Jacobson during the incident as “… swilling vodka from a Belvedere bottle, mumbling along and cursing like a sailor.”

Both ESPN and Jacobson have apologized for the incident.

“Her actions and comments were inappropriate and we've dealt with it," ESPN spokesman Josh Drulewitz said.

Jacobson also released her own statement.

"My remarks about Notre Dame were foolish and insensitive. I respect all religions and did not mean anything derogatory by my poorly chosen words," she explained.

Despite the apologies, some Christians are not yet ready to put the incident behind them.

“Although the faith community can forgive and extend mercy to Ms. Jacobson, she still must assume full responsibility and accept the consequences for her hate-filled rhetoric," Mahoney stated.

Jacobson, a graduate of the University of Michigan and co-host of ESPN's “First Take,” joined ESPN as a regular news anchor in 2002. Per her suspension, she has not appeared on TV this week.

Friday’s demonstration outside the ESPN headquarters in Bristol, Conn., was scheduled to begin at noon.

Christians to Protest Outside ESPN HQ Over Anti-Jesus Remarks (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080125/30974_Christians_to_Protest_Outside_ESPN_HQ_Over_Anti-Jesus_Remarks.htm)


Title: Methodists To Mull Divestment From Israel
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 01:59:39 PM
Methodists To Mull Divestment From Israel

BY SETH GITELL - Special to the Sun
January 24, 2008

The nation's largest and most prominent mainline Protestant denomination, the 11 million-member United Methodist Church — whose members include both President Bush and Senator Clinton — is set to take up the issue of whether to divest from companies that do business with Israel.

The meeting, which is to be held on Friday in Fort Worth, Texas, will mark the highest level of consideration that the subject of economic divestment from the Jewish state has received within the Methodist denomination.

Key questions hanging over the event will be whether the church will decide to use its $16 billion pension fund as an economic tool against Israel, and whether divestment would shatter the church's traditional relationship with American Jews.

If the church moves ahead with a divestment resolution on the national level, the denomination would become the largest Protestant group to embrace such a measure. The General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church, which has 2.4 million members, voted in favor of such a measure in 2004. Another important liberal denomination, the United Church of Christ, went in the other direction last summer when it opted to engage in a "balanced study" of the Middle East conflict.

"I would counsel a bit of humility. I wonder how much the voice of the United Methodist Church even has in foreign policy or Middle East policy," an executive with the church's General Commission on Christian Unity and Interreligious Concerns, the Reverend W. Douglas Mills, told The New York Sun. "I'm concerned about protecting our relationships."

Rev. Mills will be one of four speakers from a variety of perspectives who will address a crowd of church delegates and others at the event later this week and will speak against divestment.

Another speaker will be a member of the New England Conference's Divestment Task Force, Susanne Hoder. She also headed an informational gathering on the Middle East in June, which gave attendees the opportunity to "learn how these companies profit from Israel's illegal occupation of Palestinian lands," "examine the impact of the occupation on Israeli and Palestinian society," give an "update on Bethlehem, Jerusalem, and Gaza," "discuss apartheid in Israel and the occupied territories, and learn how many organizations, including churches, municipalities, and Jewish groups, are using economic measures to end it."

The New England Conference came out in favor of divestment three years ago, and in June of last year, it released a report urging divestment from 20 specific companies with business interests in Israel, including Blockbuster, General Dynamics, and General Electric.

Rev. Mills said he supported the church keeping a "balanced perspective" on the Middle East. "I would prefer to have, for example, shareholder activism in companies, rather than have no voice at all, which is what you have when you're not a shareholder," he said. Titled "Divestment, the Middle East, and Sudan," the Friday meeting in Texas will be part of a larger assembly beginning today and ending on Saturday in anticipation of the church's general conference in April.

The general conference in April will be the first national legislative gathering of the church since two of its regional groupings — the New England Conference and Virginia United Methodists — passed pro-divestment resolutions in 2005.

While the church did not provide a copy of specific legislation likely to be brought up at the church's general conference in April, the Friday session is an indicator that divestment will be on the Methodist agenda.

"As far as legislation for the conference, I don't believe it's available yet," a spokeswoman for the United Methodist Church, Diane Denton, said. "The briefing [in Texas] is to provide delegates and others with information on issues expected to arise on general conference. It will be up to the conference to determine what if any action may be taken on this issue." Coming out in favor of divestment would likely damage the church's ability to work with American Jewish groups.

"For another church to start down this road is very dangerous and very harmful to the relationship between the Jewish community and the mainline Protestant churches," the American Jewish Committee's U.S. director of interreligious affairs, Rabbi Gary Greenebaum, said.

Rabbi Greenebaum plans to travel to Forth Worth for the meeting. "These are churches that traditionally the Jewish community has gotten along with very well."

It would also likely have consequences for members of the church who favor a different approach. "I love my denomination, and I think this is a stupid move," a senior minister at the First United Methodist Church of Palo Alto, the Reverend Archer Summers, said. Rev. Summers, who plans to attend the April conference, is an executive committee member of Christians for Fair Witness on the Middle East, a group of mainline Protestants and Roman Catholics who seek to inject fairness into the discussion of the issue.

A lifelong member of the Harvard-Epworth United Methodist Church in Cambridge, Mass., John Regier, opposed the New England Conference's resolution, and will try to convince his pastor — who will attend the conference — to vote against divestment measures. "The resolution is premised on the idea that the dispute between Israel and the Palestinians is all Israel's fault," Mr. Regier said. "I think the situation is far more complicated than that."

Methodists To Mull Divestment From Israel (http://www.nysun.com/pf.php?id=70089&v=4783731021)



Title: Methodist Lobby Office Unveiling Anti-Israel Divestment Proposal This Week in F
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 02:01:55 PM
 Methodist Lobby Office Unveiling Anti-Israel Divestment Proposal This Week in Fort Worth

"The United Methodist church is discussing anti-Israel divestment when other church groups are moving in the opposite direction. Even if anti-Israel divestment were constructive, which it's not, why jump on a stalled band wagon?" -- Mark Tooley, Executive Director UMAction

WASHINGTON, Jan. 23 /Christian Newswire/ -- The 7.9 million member United Methodist Church's official lobby office is urging church agencies and members to divest their holdings in Caterpillar, Inc for doing business with Israel. The United Methodist General Board of Church and Society will unveil its proposal this Friday in Fort Worth, Texas before leading delegates of the church's governing General Conference in April 2008.

Several United Methodist regional conferences have endorsed anti-Israel divestment. The only major U.S. denomination actively to endorse anti-Israel divestment was the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.), which, after enormous controversy over two years, revoked its divestment policy in 2006.

United Methodist Communications is sponsoring the quadrennial Pre-General Conference News Briefing for first-elected delegates and communicators this week. The event is for participants who wish to prepare for the 2008 General Conference.

IRD Director of UMAction Mark Tooley commented:

"Like other Religious Left agencies, the United Methodist lobby office thinks that U.S. pressure against Israel is the magic key for a peace settlement. The reality is more complicated, and Israel is not the exclusive obstacle to Middle East peace.

"The United Methodist church is discussing anti-Israel divestment when other church groups have moved in the opposite direction. Even if anti-Israel divestment were constructive, which it's not, why jump on a stalled band wagon?

"Delegates to the United Methodist General Conference should examine a 2006 resolution approved by United Methodism's Pacific Northwest Conference. It noted that 'some church groups have selectively advocated divestment of firms doing business with Israel while ignoring severe human rights abuses by the governments of Israel's neighbors,' affirmed the Jewish state as 'nearly the only long-standing democracy among its neighbors in the Middle East,' and declared that 'selective attention to Israel's mistakes will not create peace in the Middle East.'"

Methodist Lobby Office Unveiling Anti-Israel Divestment Proposal This Week in Fort Worth (http://www.earnedmedia.org/ird0123.htm)


Title: Phony, ignorant Christians
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 02:12:21 PM
Phony, ignorant Christians
Posted: January 25, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily
By Joseph Farah
© 2008

Paul warned us about times like this and the way people – including those claiming to be professing Christians – would act.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away," he writes in 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

And a chapter later (2 Timothy 4:3-4) adds: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

I strongly believe Paul had in mind the kind of people who run major Protestant denominations like the United Methodist Church.

Today, at an event in Fort Worth, Texas, leaders of the denomination, which boasts membership by President Bush and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, will consider divesting from all companies that do business with Israel.

To say that even considering such an action is hateful, unbiblical, anti-Christian and evil would be an understatement.

(Column continues below)

It's not even understandable except in the context of the kind of morally blind apostasy described by Paul.

Nevertheless, because so many people in our world do not know better and could easily be fooled by such discussions, let me explain in simple terms where the Methodists, and the Presbyterian Church USA and the United Church of Christ before them, are going wrong.

By calling for divestment from one nation in the world, the Methodists are suggesting in the strongest terms possible that Israel is the worst of the world's nations with regard to human rights.

As far as I know, the Methodists have no similar divestment plans for Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, China or any other of dozens of tyrannical hellholes I could name. Israel is their only target.

That in itself is unbelievable. It shows how perverse this action really is. You have to believe up is down, left is right, black is white and right is wrong to accept such a bizarre concept.

The problem with these people is not that they don't understand the Middle East. It is simply that they are no longer able to tell right from wrong. They are no longer able to distinguish between good and evil. They are no longer able to see the difference between freedom and tyranny. They are no longer able to judge between criminal and victim.

They have, in short, completely lost their moral bearings.

This is no longer a church; it is an organization of misguided political activism. This is no longer a house of God; it is a mad house. This is no longer part of the bride of Christ; it is a whore to the world.

I know these are tough words, for which I am sure to be criticized by some of my Christian friends.

Let me say this. We have many problems in this country that need to be addressed first and foremost by the church. So often, I hear church leaders say that their commitment is exclusively to spreading the Gospel, not in making moral pronouncements, not in teaching right from wrong, not in applying the lessons of Scripture to the direction of our nation and world.

Too often the church allows itself to be intimidated by the world, subjugated by tax laws, seduced by government, cowed by the doctrine of feel-good liberalism.

That's what has happened to the Methodists and the Presbyterian Church USA and some other major denominations.

I would urge anyone still associated with the Methodists to divest yourself and your family from this institution. Divest it of your tithes and offerings. Divest it from your last will and testament. Divest it from your time and volunteer work. Divest your children from its Sunday school classes.

For those pastors leading Methodist churches who understand where your denomination is heading, it's time to pack up and divest yourself of links to the denomination.

The biblical principle at stake is the one about avoiding relationships in which we are unequally yoked. As Paul would say, avoid such people and institutions that have turned their backs on God, on the Bible, on what is right, on what is moral.

It's separation time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

By calling for divestment from one nation in the world, the Methodists are suggesting in the strongest terms possible that Israel is the worst of the world's nations with regard to human rights. As far as I know, the Methodists have no similar divestment plans for Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, China.

Have you seen anywhere in the articles where anyone questions them on how the bible instructs us 'those that bless Israel will be blessed, and those that curse them, will be cursed'?

I wonder what their answer would be to that question.

Another thought, why are Church's in the business of investing money? That maybe that is common practice but me personally would rather it was given away to the poor.


Title: Gandhi's Grandson Angers Jewish Community
Post by: Shammu on January 26, 2008, 02:14:26 PM
Gandhi's Grandson Angers Jewish Community

ROCHESTER, N.Y., Jan. 26, 2008(AP) Arun Gandhi said he learned at his grandfather's feet that the world's major conflicts can only be tackled by first solving the little problems.

"It's the little problems that accumulate and become big problems," the fifth grandson of revered pacifist Mahatma Gandhi said when he moved his M.K. Gandhi Institute for Nonviolence to the University of Rochester last June.

Now, intemperate remarks about Israel and Jews being "the biggest players" in a global culture of violence have gotten Gandhi removed as president of the peace center he launched in 1991.

"My intention was to generate a healthy discussion on the proliferation of violence," Gandhi said Friday, a day after the institute's board accepted his resignation. "Instead, unintentionally, my words have resulted in pain, anger, confusion and embarrassment. I deeply regret these consequences."

The institute offers courses, workshops and seminars on nonviolence and will "continue its mission" at the University of Rochester, which provides office space and staff support, said the school's president, Joel Seligman.

Gandhi co-founded the center with his wife, Sunanda, at Christian Brothers University in Memphis, Tenn., and relocated it to the Rochester campus a few months after her death last February.

Gandhi's resignation "was appropriate" because his remarks "did not reflect the core values" of either the university or the institute, Seligman said in a statement. But a forum will be held later this year to allow Gandhi to discuss issues he raised with Jewish community leaders and other speakers, Seligman said.

"I think it's shameful that a peace institute would be headed up by a bigot," said Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, an international group that opposes anti-Semitism. "One would hope that the grandson of such an illustrious human being would be more sensitive to Jewish history."

Gandhi was on a panel of scholars, writers and clergy who discuss a new topic weekly on the Washington Post's "On Faith" page and his comments, posted Jan. 7, drew a torrent of criticism, much of it unfavorable.

Gandhi wrote that Jewish identity "has been locked into the holocaust experience - a German burden that the Jews have not been able to shed. It is a very good example of (how) a community can overplay a historic experience to the point that it begins to repulse friends.

"The holocaust was the result of the warped mind of an individual who was able to influence his followers into doing something dreadful. ... The world did feel sorry for the episode but when an individual or a nation refuses to forgive and move on, the regret turns into anger."

Describing Israel as "a nation that believes its survival can only be ensured by weapons and bombs," Gandhi asked whether it would "not be better to befriend those who hate you?"

"Apparently, in the modern world so determined to live by the bomb, this is an alien concept," he wrote. "You don't befriend anyone, you dominate them. We have created a culture of violence (Israel and the Jews are the biggest players) and that Culture of Violence is eventually going to destroy humanity."

Gandhi later apologized "for my poorly worded post," saying he shouldn't have implied that Israeli government policies reflected the views of all Jewish people.

"I do believe that when a people hold on to historic grievances too firmly it can lead to bitterness and the loss of support from those who would be friends," he wrote in a follow-up.

While emphasizing that Jewish suffering, particularly in the Holocaust, "was historic in its proportions" and that "it is also important not to forget the past, lest we fail to learn from it," he stood by his criticism of "the use of violence by recent Israeli governments."

"I have criticized the governments of the U.S., India and China in much the same way," he said, adding that "I want to correct statements that I made with insufficient care, and that have inflicted unnecessary hurt and caused anger."

The institute's research library contains multiple photographs, audio and videotapes, and 100 volumes of writings by his grandfather, who led India to independence in 1947 and was assassinated by a Hindu hard-liner in January 1948.

Gandhi's Grandson Angers Jewish Community (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/01/25/national/printable3754410.shtml)


Title: Re: Canadian Anglican Bishop to Priests: Approve Homosexual Blessings or Resign
Post by: nChrist on January 26, 2008, 09:23:40 PM
Apostasy just keeps on growing, and growing. Its getting easier to see how the one world church will persecute and murder the saints. Embrace apostasy or else!!

2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away [their] ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

AMEN!

These things are NOT subject to debate. The Holy Bible and GOD are the authority - not man. This is another reason why we place our Trust and Faith in JESUS CHRIST - not man. For all intents and purposes, many so-called churches have turned into nothing but dens of iniquity. The people will be coming to the misery of sin, NOT the comfort and Strength of CHRIST.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!


Title: Re: Phony, ignorant Christians
Post by: nChrist on January 26, 2008, 10:02:27 PM
Phony, ignorant Christians
Posted: January 25, 2008
1:00 a.m. Eastern
WorldNetDaily
By Joseph Farah
© 2008

Paul warned us about times like this and the way people – including those claiming to be professing Christians – would act.

"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high-minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away," he writes in 2 Timothy 3:1-5.

And a chapter later (2 Timothy 4:3-4) adds: "For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables."

I strongly believe Paul had in mind the kind of people who run major Protestant denominations like the United Methodist Church.

Today, at an event in Fort Worth, Texas, leaders of the denomination, which boasts membership by President Bush and Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton, will consider divesting from all companies that do business with Israel.

To say that even considering such an action is hateful, unbiblical, anti-Christian and evil would be an understatement.

(Column continues below)

It's not even understandable except in the context of the kind of morally blind apostasy described by Paul.

Nevertheless, because so many people in our world do not know better and could easily be fooled by such discussions, let me explain in simple terms where the Methodists, and the Presbyterian Church USA and the United Church of Christ before them, are going wrong.

By calling for divestment from one nation in the world, the Methodists are suggesting in the strongest terms possible that Israel is the worst of the world's nations with regard to human rights.

As far as I know, the Methodists have no similar divestment plans for Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, China or any other of dozens of tyrannical hellholes I could name. Israel is their only target.

That in itself is unbelievable. It shows how perverse this action really is. You have to believe up is down, left is right, black is white and right is wrong to accept such a bizarre concept.

The problem with these people is not that they don't understand the Middle East. It is simply that they are no longer able to tell right from wrong. They are no longer able to distinguish between good and evil. They are no longer able to see the difference between freedom and tyranny. They are no longer able to judge between criminal and victim.

They have, in short, completely lost their moral bearings.

This is no longer a church; it is an organization of misguided political activism. This is no longer a house of God; it is a mad house. This is no longer part of the bride of Christ; it is a whore to the world.

I know these are tough words, for which I am sure to be criticized by some of my Christian friends.

Let me say this. We have many problems in this country that need to be addressed first and foremost by the church. So often, I hear church leaders say that their commitment is exclusively to spreading the Gospel, not in making moral pronouncements, not in teaching right from wrong, not in applying the lessons of Scripture to the direction of our nation and world.

Too often the church allows itself to be intimidated by the world, subjugated by tax laws, seduced by government, cowed by the doctrine of feel-good liberalism.

That's what has happened to the Methodists and the Presbyterian Church USA and some other major denominations.

I would urge anyone still associated with the Methodists to divest yourself and your family from this institution. Divest it of your tithes and offerings. Divest it from your last will and testament. Divest it from your time and volunteer work. Divest your children from its Sunday school classes.

For those pastors leading Methodist churches who understand where your denomination is heading, it's time to pack up and divest yourself of links to the denomination.

The biblical principle at stake is the one about avoiding relationships in which we are unequally yoked. As Paul would say, avoid such people and institutions that have turned their backs on God, on the Bible, on what is right, on what is moral.

It's separation time.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~

By calling for divestment from one nation in the world, the Methodists are suggesting in the strongest terms possible that Israel is the worst of the world's nations with regard to human rights. As far as I know, the Methodists have no similar divestment plans for Iran, North Korea, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Zimbabwe, Cuba, China.

Have you seen anywhere in the articles where anyone questions them on how the bible instructs us 'those that bless Israel will be blessed, and those that curse them, will be cursed'?

I wonder what their answer would be to that question.

Another thought, why are Church's in the business of investing money? That maybe that is common practice but me personally would rather it was given away to the poor.

AMEN!

I'm happy to see that WND told the blunt truth in this matter. It's sad that Christian News knows the TRUTH, and churches are debating what's already been decided by GOD in the Holy Bible. There is no excuse for a Christian to be ignorant about Israel. Organized attempts by churches to hurt Israel in any way indicates total ignorance of the Holy Bible and the times in which we live. I must say that I'm impressed with WND more and more. WND is proving over and over again that it can be a source of news that Christians can trust. I'm simply talking about the TRUTH and a BIBLICAL perspective. Christians, I'm talking about a BIBLICAL WORLD VIEW, not a WORLDLY WORLD VIEW. We do have to live in this world, but the BIBLE tells us how to do it.

Brothers and Sisters, I hope that everyone understands the significance of news stories like this. The lost have a Worldly World view, but MORE is expected of Christians.


Title: Congo conflict claims 5 million lives in 10 years
Post by: Shammu on January 27, 2008, 11:30:19 PM
Congo conflict claims 5 million lives in 10 years
Report cites war, disease and malnutrition; most conflict deaths since WW2

KINSHASA, Congo - War, disease and malnutrition are killing 45,000 Congolese every month in a conflict-driven humanitarian crisis that has claimed 5.4 million victims in nearly a decade, a survey released on Tuesday said.

The International Rescue Committee (IRC), which carried out the study with Australia's Burnet Institute, said Democratic Republic of Congo's 1998-2003 war and its aftermath had caused more deaths than any other conflict since World War II.

"Congo's loss is equivalent to the entire population of Denmark or the state of Colorado perishing within a decade," George Rupp, president of the aid group, said in a statement.

The findings were published on the day Congo's government and warring eastern rebel and militia factions were due to sign a cease-fire in the hope of halting fighting in the east which has raged on since the nominal end of the war.

Rupp said that although Congo's war formally ended five years ago, "ongoing strife and poverty continue to take a staggering toll."

"The conflict and its aftermath, in terms of fatalities, surpass any other since World War II," he added.

Malaria, diarrhea, pneumonia and malnutrition, aggravated by conflict, were the top killers in Congo, the survey said.

"Most of the deaths are due to easily treatable and preventable diseases through the collapse of health systems and the disruption of livelihoods," said IRC director of global health programs Richard Brennan, one of the survey's authors.

Congo has the lowest spending on health care of any country in the world at an average of just $15 per person per year.

"If you're in the United States, we spend $6,000 per person per year," Brennan said.

The study was conducted between January 2006 and April 2007 in 14,000 households in all the country's 11 provinces. It updated previous surveys which estimated the toll from Congo's war at around 4 million.

Hopes for peace
The IRC said an estimated 727,000 people died in excess of normal mortality during the latest survey period. Children under the age of 5 were the hardest hit, accounting for nearly half of all deaths despite making up 19 percent of the population.

Before the latest survey, humanitarian workers had estimated that more than 1,000 people a day were dying in Congo.

"Since our last study in 2004, there's been no change in the national rate, which is nearly 60 percent higher than the sub-Saharan average," Brennan said.

But in the east, where rebel groups, local militia, and Congo's own army prey on civilians with impunity, the mortality rate is 85 percent higher than the sub-Saharan African average.

The vast former Belgian colony's 1998-2003 war sucked in its neighbors, as foreign armies and rebel groups vied for control of the country's rich natural resources. The conflict wrecked infrastructure already weakened by decades of neglect and corrupt leadership and forced millions to flee their homes.

A 2003 peace agreement led to the formation of a transitional government and multi-party elections were held in 2006, won by President Joseph Kabila.

Rupp said he hoped the peace deal for the east, due to be signed on Tuesday by the government, Tutsi rebels and Mai Mai militias, could finally draw a line under Congo's crisis.

"We hope this week's peace agreement in North Kivu will mean an end to the hostilities and a restart of reconciliation and recovery efforts," he said.

The IRC called for security reforms, increased spending on basic services like health care and continued support for the 17,000-strong United Nations peacekeeping mission in Congo.

"Recovery from conflict is clearly a protracted process, particularly when it's on the back of decades ... of economic and political decline," Brennan said.

"There are no quick turnarounds ... So the international community needs to be in there for the long haul," he added.

Congo conflict claims 5 million lives in 10 years (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22781603/)


Title: UCL professor: Terror 'Palestinians' moral right'
Post by: Shammu on January 27, 2008, 11:41:05 PM
UCL professor: Terror 'Palestinians' moral right'
jonny paul - london , THE JERUSALEM POST    Jan. 27, 2008

In a lengthy and fiery debate at Oxford University over the weekend, the student union conceded Israel's "right to exist" by just over 100 votes.

Proposing the motion "This House believes that the State of Israel has a right to exist" were Norman Finkelstein, formally of De Paul University in Chicago, and Ted Honderich, professor of philosophy at University College London.

Questions about the seriousness of the event were raised ahead of the debate, since not only opposers of the motion, but also its proposers, were considered detractors of Israel.

Finkelstein, who had been supporting the motion, voted against it, while Honderich, who had crossed sides during the debate, voted for the motion, adding to accusations that the debate was a farce.

Supporting the motion, Jessica Prince from Oxford's University College spoke about the "absurdity" of the debate title. "I didn't think it was a question that we ask anymore," she said.

Opposing the motion, Lewis Turner from Oxford's New College said that if Israel is supposed to be a safe haven for Jewish people, "it's not working out because it's one of the most dangerous places for them to live."

"I was shocked to hear Honderich actually say that, 'Palestinians have a moral right to terrorism,'" said Olga Belogolova, a Jewish student from Boston University studying at Oxford for the semester.

"It was disappointing to see how many people were applauding the obviously radical speakers who were at times dishonest during the debate," she said. "It was disappointing to see students who agreed with the justification of terrorism and who were not questioning the rhetoric of the speakers."

"The debate was another childish attempt at sensationalism by the Oxford Union," said Yair Zivan, campaign director of the Union of Jewish Students (UJS). "To have a debate about Israel without a single mainstream voice present shows the debate was the farce we expected. The Oxford Union owes better to its membership to allow for intellectual debate and they should try to seriously engage with issues."

The Oxford University Debating Society refused to comment on the debate.

Meanwhile, Jewish and Israeli students at the London School of Economics (LSE) claimed victory after defeating a controversial motion calling for a boycott of Israel and calling Israel an apartheid state, raised at the university's union general meeting on Thursday.

The motion was defeated by seven votes following a mobilization of Jewish and Israeli students on campus.

The motion, proposed by LSE student Emiliano Huet-Vaughn, an International Solidarity Movement activist, branded Israel an apartheid state and called on the LSE student union to start a campaign to lobby the university and National Union of Students to divest from and boycott Israel.

Released 48 hours before the union meeting, the motion created a huge backlash and prompted Jewish and Israeli students to respond to what UJS called "extreme anti-Israel rhetoric on campus."

"Israel is an apartheid state, a state that promotes racism and xenophobia through acts of parliament, a democracy so-called only for people recognized in Israeli laws as 'Jews,' supported by a set of racist laws under which different laws regarding citizenship, housing, land ownership and marriage apply depending on whether someone is classified in law as 'Jewish' or 'non-Jewish,'" the motion read.

"[The year] 2008 marks the 60th anniversary of the Nakba, the expulsion of the great majority of Palestinian Arabs from their homes and homeland in historic Palestine between 1947 and 1949. The expulsion, planned and systematically carried out by the founders of the State of Israel, was essential to the creation of an expressly Jewish state in the political Zionist sense of the term," the motion said.

The motion also supported the one-state solution and the end of the Israeli state. "Israel should be a state for all its citizens and stop discriminating against the indigenous Palestinian population. The Palestinians have the right to return to their homeland and receive just compensation and Israel should implement all international laws that it is currently violating," it read.

Following a highly tense and hostile meeting, 292 voted for the motion, 285 against it and 100 abstained.

"It was fantastic to see so many students turn out and show their opposition to this horrific one-sided and unconstructive motion," said Zivan. "Jewish student activists once again showed that they will stand up for Israel in even the harshest circumstances and won't let these kinds of actions go unchecked.

"It was welcome to see so many students with no personal affiliation to the Middle East conflict vote against the motion and reject extremist rhetoric at LSE," he continued. "We hope this sets the tone for a more civilized and balanced debate in the future."

"We only had 48 hours to organize the campaign but the response has been phenomenal," said Sam Cohen, a graduate student at LSE who led the campaign and spoke against the motion at the meeting. "Jewish and non-Jewish students proudly opposed extremist language at LSE and have shown that we want a moderate, sensible and constructive debate around the issues of the Middle East. I really hope this is the last time people try to polarize the student body in this way."

"It's [the motion] a really negative development," said Lior Herman, an Israeli PhD student at LSE. "While I'm very happy with the academic level here [LSE] I don't feel as comfortable. Every day there seem to be posters and slogans against Israel. The motion was the culmination... it did nothing to help the Palestinians or promote understanding.

"Not just Jewish and Israeli students want sensible discussion and bridge-building. Instead we're getting bridge-burning. Instead of doing what they should do, looking after the welfare of students, the [LSE] union meetings have become a platform for a minority to push their sinister agenda. Thus a large number of students, not just Jewish or Israeli, attended [the meeting] to make their voices heard," he said.

UCL professor: Terror 'Palestinians' moral right' (http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1201367874283&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FPrinter)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on January 28, 2008, 12:04:18 AM

students who agreed with the justification of terrorism

There's a disturbing thought.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 28, 2008, 05:05:23 AM
There's a disturbing thought.

Disturbing, yes. Unexpected, no. After all it is the liberal mindset.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on January 28, 2008, 02:31:50 PM
This so-called debate is the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard of. Many folks abandon common sense entirely when discussing issues surrounding Israel. As an easy example, what would other countries in the world do if their neighbors lobbed rockets into their midst daily? Would they just continue to tolerate it and do nothing? Israel has been attacked almost continually since it came back into existence. Are they really so horrible for their insignificant and insufficient defense of innocent people? Some morons actually believe that Israel is responsible for all of the violence.


Title: Australian Anglican, Catholic Heads to Sign Covenant
Post by: Shammu on January 30, 2008, 07:13:12 PM
Australian Anglican, Catholic Heads to Sign Covenant
By Sze Leng Chan
Christian Post Correspondent
Tue, Jan. 29 2008 09:20 AM ET

In a sign of a warming relationship between the Anglicans and the Catholics in New South Wales, Australia, a formal covenant will be signed between the two groups.

The Anglican Archbishop of Newcastle, Dr. Brian Farran, said it was an indication of the common value they shared together and a step towards “healing” the differences.

This covenant, the second time it was agreed upon in Australia, would be signed by three regional heads of the two largest Christian denominations, spanning areas around Newcastle. A Fairfax newspaper reported the agreement will entail holding an annual ecumenical service of worship, an annual joint clergy day, an annual exchange of pulpits and examining the possibilities of sharing church planting.

Bishop Farran told the Sydney Morning Herald that sharing resources would benefit both parties given they were limited and emphasized the goodwill both denominations enjoyed over the years.

"There are already cases in rural areas where resources are stretched and many 'competing' church buildings are being used for a few parishioners. This will be a statement that we don't want to waste resources,” Farran said.

"There is much goodwill already between our denominations and we have been running successful combined clergy days for many years,” he added. “I'm sure there will be a solid welcome by parishioners for the annual exchange of pulpits."

The covenant is scheduled to be signed on April 2 in the Newcastle Anglican Cathedral.

Australian Anglican, Catholic Heads to Sign Covenant (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080129/31008_Australian_Anglican%2C_Catholic_Heads_to_Sign_Covenant.htm)


Title: Bill irks religious leaders
Post by: Shammu on January 30, 2008, 07:17:14 PM
Bill irks religious leaders
Proposal would affect hiring by groups that get government funds
By ED SEALOVER
THE GAZETTE
January 28, 2008 - 12:24AM

DENVER - Some services for the needy from Catholic Charities and other religious organizations could end if the General Assembly passes a bill that would forbid hiring based on religious preference, organization leaders warn.

HB1080 applies to religious groups that receive federal or state money to run parts of their organizations. Catholic Charities, for example, gets grants for its soup kitchen.

The measure would prohibit discriminatory employment in those areas that benefit from government funding. The prohibition would extend not just to applicants’ religion but to other protected traits, such as age, gender and sexual orientation.

The bill is a follow-up to a controversial 2007 law that bans hiring, firing, promotion and demotion based on sexual orientation and religion. It included an exemption for religious organizations, but House Majority Leader Alice Madden, who sponsored that law as well as the new bill, said she was questioned about why groups that get government funding should not play by the same rules as everyone else.

Madden, D-Boulder, pulled the bill from the House calendar temporarily while she works on its language. She wants to find a way to exempt employees who may work for, say, a federally funded part of a religious organization but also work in other areas.

“This is about the types of jobs a religious group is using taxpayer money for,” Madden said. “We’re not trying to cause a great deal of problems, but when someone is funded by the government, we think they should follow the law.”
But religious leaders argue that the bill would cause problems.

Archbishop Charles Chaput of the Catholic Archdiocese of Denver wrote a column calling the bill “offensive, implicitly bigoted and designed to bully religious groups out of the public square.”

Though Catholic Charities hires many people who are not Catholic to work in soup kitchens and other areas, the church’s ability to bring in someone who shares the faith and mission of the organization is essential to the program’s existence, he said.

“Catholic Charities has no interest at all in generic dogoodism; on the contrary, it’s an arm of Catholic social ministry,” Chaput wrote of one of the largest charitable organizations in the state. “When it can no longer have the freedom it needs to be ‘Catholic,’ it will end its services. This is not idle talk. I am very serious.”

Bishop Michael Sheridan of the Catholic Diocese of Colorado Springs noted that the local arm of Catholic Charities receives far less of its budget from grants — 3 percent to 5 percent, he estimated — but said that he would forgo all government money rather than play by new rules. That would not shut down major missions like the Marian House soup kitchen but would have an impact on how the church could reach out, he said.

“We’ve got people that we’re feeding and families that we’re helping that are going to be left high and dry without our services,” Sheridan said. “It’s my hope that if people could come to see how bad this law is, it’s going to come to die.”

A legislator who worked with Madden on the bill said it’s on hold for the moment because Gov. Bill Ritter, a Catholic, said he would not sign it.

Tom Minnery, a Focus on the Family vice president and board member for the Alliance Defense Fund for preservation of the freedom of religion, questioned whether such a bill is legal. He claimed that despite its nondiscriminatory title, it discriminates specifically against churches. Large groups from the Salvation Army to the Denver Rescue Mission could be affected, and a lawsuit could be prepared if the measure is passed, he said.

Madden, who was alerted to concerns by the Anti-Defamation League, insists she will move forward with the bill as soon as she comes up with the proper language. She did not give a time frame.

“We just want to get to the point where it’s clear that when you’re using tax dollars you can’t discriminate against people, but you do so in a way that preserves liberties,” she said.

Bill irks religious leaders (http://www.gazette.com/articles/catholic_32448___article.html/bill_religious.html)


Title: Fly naked on Germany's first nudist holiday flight
Post by: Shammu on January 30, 2008, 08:07:31 PM
Fly naked on Germany's first nudist holiday flight
Tue Jan 29, 2008 6:03am EST

FRANKFURT (Reuters) - German nudists will be able to start their holidays early by stripping off on the plane if they take up a new offer from an eastern German travel firm.

Travel agency OssiUrlaub.de said it would start taking bookings from Friday for a trial nudist day trip from the eastern German town of Erfurt to the popular Baltic Sea resort of Usedom, planned for July 5 and costing 499 euros ($735).

"It's expensive, I know," managing director Enrico Hess told Reuters by phone. "It's because the plane's very small. There's no real reason why a flight in which one flies naked should be more expensive than any other."

The 55 passengers will have to remain clothed until they board, and dress before disembarking, said Hess. The crew will remain clothed throughout the flight for safety reasons.

"I wish I could say we thought of it ourselves but the idea came from a customer," Hess told Reuters by phone. "It's an unusual gap in the market."

Naturism, or "free body culture" (FKK) as it is known in Germany, was banned by the Nazis but blossomed again after the Second World War, particularly in eastern Germany.

"There are FKK hotels where you can go into the restaurants and shops naked, for example," Hess said. "For FKK fans -- not that I'm one of them -- it's nothing unusual."

"I don't want people to get the wrong idea. It's not that we're starting a swinger club in mid-air or something like that," he added. "We're a perfectly normal holiday company."

Fly naked on Germany's first nudist holiday flight (http://www.reuters.com/article/newsOne/idUSL2975435320080129?sp=true)


Title: Holocaust-themed Rio Carnival float causes strain
Post by: Shammu on January 30, 2008, 08:08:52 PM
Holocaust-themed Rio Carnival float causes strain
Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:55pm EST

By Pedro Fonseca

RIO DE JANEIRO (Reuters) - A Carnival float with a pile of model dead bodies commemorating the Holocaust is causing unease before the lavish parades in Rio de Janeiro this weekend.

The Viradouro samba organization, or school, plans to feature the grim display when it marches in the Sambadrome parade strip on Sunday, despite objections from a local Jewish group.

"Really, it makes no sense addressing this theme with drums and dancing girls," said Sergio Niskier, president of the Israelite Federation in Rio de Janeiro state, referring to the slaughter of Jews by Nazi Germany in World War Two.

"There are still survivors of that horror who have the marks of that tragedy on their skin," he said.

Rio's Carnival is famed for the parades by samba schools with glitzy floats and costumes and street parties where costumed revelers drink and dance all night.

The elaborately decorated floats are a key part of each samba school's presentation, along with thousands of dancers and drummers led by near naked Carnival queens.

Viradouro insisted its Holocaust float is not meant to offend anyone.

"The float is extremely respectful, it's a warning, it's something shocking that we don't want to happen ever again," said Paulo Barros, Viradouro's artistic director.

Viradouro's parade theme is "Shockers" and it includes floats depicting the shock of birth, the shock of horror and the shock of cold.

Barrossaid the Holocaust float would be the only one without dancers on top.

"If we had people dancing on top of dead bodies that would indeed be disrespectful," he told Reuters.

Traditionally, the use of religious references causes last-minute problems for samba schools. In the past, the Roman Catholic Church has barred floats with figures of Christ and the Virgin Mary and samba schools had to cover or modify them.

Holocaust-themed Rio Carnival float causes strain (http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSN2955554720080129?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews&rpc=22&sp=true)


Title: Re: Holocaust-themed Rio Carnival float causes strain
Post by: Shammu on January 30, 2008, 08:11:49 PM

Rio Carnival itself is immoral from what I've read and seen, sort of like those San Francisco parades. So I guess we shouldn't expect them to take the high road on anything else either.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 31, 2008, 10:09:44 AM
Sex show returns to college that banished cross 
'Our students have wisdom to put such programming in context'

A promotion of the sex industry, G-strings, pasties and nudity included, is returning to the historic College of William & Mary, which earlier removed a cross from the famous Wren Chapel because it could offend visitors.

Gene Nichol, president of the college that was a Christian institution at its founding, was the decision-maker when the cross first was banished from the chapel, then restored to a special secured case when alumni protested. He confirmed he would not alter plans for the Sex Workers' Art Show to be performed twice on Feb. 4.

Last year, the show's appearance on campus provoked outrage from alumni and supporters who accused Nichol of staging an affront to religion and morality in light of his then-recent decision to withdraw the cross from display in the chapel.

He said this year that students requested the show, they voted to spend campus funding for it, and he could not change that because of "the First Amendment and the defining traditions of openness that sustain universities."

Rector Michael Powell said the Student Assembly this year voted to spend $2,200 in student fee funds on the show.

It is scheduled to be performed at the Williamsburg school at 7 p.m. and 9:30 p.m. in the University Center's Commonwealth Auditorium, where strippers, prostitutes and other sex workers will appear.

According to a report in the Newport News Daily Press, the Rev. Jennifer Ryu of Williamsburg Unitarian Universalists would have allowed the show at her church before she learned that it could violate a county ordinance on public nudity, which the show features.

"We have a reputation in town of being an open-minded church," she told the newspaper. "With all the controversy, it's hard to make an informed judgment about the show unless you see it."

However, John Foubert, an education professor who researches sexual violence toward women, said studies confirm that exposing men to pornography made them more likely to commit sexual assault.

"I'm opposed to – and working strongly against – pornography and the industry," Foubert told the paper. "What I believe the Sex Workers' Art Show does is promote the porn industry, and it goes beyond a speech issue. ... The issue here is an issue of public nudity."

The Flat Hat student newspaper noted Foubert expects the sex show "to bring increased ... sexual aggression, and by itself may also lead to a short-term increase in incidents [of] sexual assault at William and Mary as well."

Thomas Chappell, of the class of 2011, objected to the use of mandatory student fees on the sex show.

"Those that choose to attend should bear the full cost of the ticket prices instead of using everyone else's money to help the people that attend pay for admission," he said.

The student newspaper's online forum, however, raised some additional objections.

"Can you imagine if a student Christian organization wanted the university to sanction its evangelistic presentation on campus in the name of First Amendment freedoms that Nichols claims to prize? No way," wrote one participant. "Nichol has already demonstrated his hostility to organize religion quite clearly. But organized porn? Hey, no problem."

"It's laughable for Nichol to insist his hands are tied on this show and there's nothing he can do about it. He could do something about it if he REALLY wanted to. This is the same president who unilaterally made a decision overturning decades of powerful William and Mary tradition with the Wren Cross. He can't have it both ways. His actions regarding institutional or traditional constraints at the college seem to vary according to his personal preferences. Sure his hands may be tied, but he tied them himself this time," added "C.K."

"There was a time when I regarded W&M as the premier school in the state," wrote JM, who identified himself as an art professor. "Stories like these make me revise that opinion."

A year ago, topless dancers, demonstrations of sex toys and Q&As with male and female prostitutes were featured on the campus where former Supreme Court Justice Sandra Day O'Connor serves as chancellor.

Among the performances was a striptease by 200-pound-plus Dirty Martini, who finished in a G-string and pasties. Another performer in military fatigues stripped, used a fake gun as a sex prop and told the audience that sexual favors would be given if "doing so can end the war. Just don't force me."

"It's just so out there and expressive," Josh Campbell, a member of Lamba Alliance, one of six student groups to sponsor the 2007 event, told the local paper. "It's hip, it's in your face, and it's exciting."

William & Mary made the national spotlight in 2006 when WND revealed that university administrator Melissa Engimann circulated an e-mail noting that the cross in Wren Chapel was going to be placed in permanent storage to make the chapel "less of a faith-specific space."

The cross had been in the chapel for decades; the chapel has been on the campus of the second-oldest university in the U.S. for centuries. Nevertheless, Nichol ruled the cross, because of one written complaint, had to go. He later backtracked when students and alumni put together a petition with more than 10,000 signatures.

A special committee later determined the cross should be put on permanent display in a glass case in the chapel,and available for use during "appropriate religious services."



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on January 31, 2008, 09:24:18 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

I won't say that I'm shocked because I'm NOT. There are examples almost daily now that filth and garbage is welcome almost everywhere, but GOD isn't. The sewers are open and it's hard to get away from the stench. It's ironic that nearly all of the premier colleges in this country started out as Christian Colleges, but GOD is no longer welcome on the campus. Our societies are collapsing under the weight of filth, decadence, and depravity.  It's a course of self-destruction, and the devil loves it.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Def on February 01, 2008, 04:01:22 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

I won't say that I'm shocked because I'm NOT. There are examples almost daily now that filth and garbage is welcome almost everywhere, but GOD isn't. The sewers are open and it's hard to get away from the stench. It's ironic that nearly all of the premier colleges in this country started out as Christian Colleges, but GOD is no longer welcome on the campus. Our societies are collapsing under the weight of filth, decadence, and depravity.  It's a course of self-destruction, and the devil loves it.
Canker of the soul..


Title: John Grisham and the New Baptist Covenant
Post by: Shammu on February 09, 2008, 01:13:47 PM
John Grisham and the New Baptist Covenant

Feb 1, 2008 | by David Roach

ATLANTA (BP)--To restore their prophetic voice in the culture, Baptists must reject "narrow" interpretations of Scripture and oppose both the Iraq war and President Bush's tax cuts, plenary session speakers said Jan. 31 at the Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant in Atlanta.

The auditorium, which holds 15,000 people, was approximately half full for Thursday's sessions after an estimated attendance of 9,000 for Wednesday night's address by former President Jimmy Carter. Some attendees of the combined winter meeting of the National Baptist Convention of America, the National Baptist Convention USA, the National Missionary Baptist Convention of America and the Progressive National Baptist Convention appeared to have gone home.

Novelist John Grisham said it is time for Baptists to stop reading the Bible with so-called narrow literalness and celebrate diversity.

He criticized the Baptist church he attended during his youth for taking what he said was an inconsistent and intolerant approach to Scripture.

"In the Baptist church of my youth we were taught that the Bible is the infallible, inerrant Word of God -- every word is divinely inspired and it is to be read literally," Grisham said. "It just dropped out of heaven. Five thousand years ago God made the earth in six days, 144 hours. Then He rested on the Sabbath, which is really on Saturday but we're not going to start that debate. Methuselah lived to be a [thousand], and when Paul wrote that women should be submissive, that was the literal interpretation. It was the law.

"However, when Paul told Timothy to have a little wine," he said to laughter, "and when Jesus said in Mark 16 that His followers would be known for speaking in tongues, taking up the serpents with their hands and drinking the poison, well then some things were not so literal."

He called churches holding such beliefs intolerant and harmful to the cause of Christ.

"The church was proudly intolerant of other people, other denominations, other religions," he said. "Sadly, in many ways and in many places, that church still exists today. Many of you know it because you're products of those churches."

Baptists are hated by some people because Baptists "have worked so hard to exclude so many," Grisham said. Citing Galatians 3:28, he said Baptists must restore their image by respecting everyone.

"Who are we kidding when we try to exclude?" he said. "God made all of us. He loves all of us equally, and He expects us to love and respect each other without regard to race, gender, sexual orientation, biblical interpretation, denominations or other religions."


He specifically criticized those who limit some roles in the church to men only, citing the church of his youth as one bad example.

"In the Baptist church of my youth, women were expected to stay in their places," Grisham said. "They couldn't preach, couldn't serve as deacons.

"They could run the nursery. They could teach the children. They could sing in the choir, but they could not lead in public prayer. They could be appointed missionaries' wives but not missionaries. And two or three times a year, just for good measure, to remind them of their reduced status, we would hear a long sermon based on the first-century writings of the apostle Paul. How many times have I heard 1 Timothy 2:11-12?"

He remarked of 1 Timothy 2:11-12, "Even as a child I did not understand this."

Marian Wright Edelman, founder of the Children's Defense Fund, called on Baptists to take the lead in lifting children out of poverty.

Millions of children are abused, receive inadequate healthcare, die of preventable causes and lack adequate education, she said. The church must take responsibility for this problem and work for a solution, Edelman said.

"The church ought to be the locomotive and not the caboose in speaking up for the poor children and the neglected children in our country," she said.

One important way the church should help is by rediscovering its prophetic voice to the culture, she said. It is particularly important for the church to speak against making President Bush's tax cuts permanent, she said.

"The number of children in poverty has increased by 2 million since 2000, and our uninsured children have increased by 1 million in the last two years, and our political leaders say we don't have the money to provide five years of $70 billion but say we can afford to give tax cuts to billionaires in the top 1 percent, which costs $76 billion in lost revenue this year alone," Edelman said.

"That money could lift every child out of poverty and provide all uninsured children and pregnant women healthcare. And you need to raise your voices and oppose any efforts to make those tax cuts permanent."

Edelman added that any nation spending more money on defense than social uplift evidences its own spiritual decay.

"Just seven months of our last year's budget on the Iraq war could also lift every child out of poverty and provide every child healthcare," she said. "And we have got to figure out how we find a better balance between protecting our children from the terrors within and protecting our children from the enemies without."

Julie Pennington-Russell, pastor of First Baptist Church in Decatur, Ga., said Baptists must move beyond being politely respectful to people different from themselves and embrace all people with Christ-like love.

"Respect, in the end, has no power to change something that's fundamentally broken in you and me and between you and me," she said. "Only love can do that."

Baptists must love like never before those with different politics or theology, Pennington-Russell said.

"Chances are in some ways they've been blinded toward you, and chances are you've been a little blind toward them too," she said. "And you and I have no power to heal ourselves of our blindness, but love does."

Tony Campolo, professor emeritus at Eastern University, said Christians must make personal sacrifices to help the poor. He asked the hypothetical question, "Can a Christian own a BMW?" and said Jesus would spend His money helping the poor rather than buying an extravagant luxury item.

"Can you imagine Him (Jesus) having to choose between feeding starving kids in Haiti and buying a BMW (and) saying, 'Forget those kids. I'm buying me a status symbol?'"

In the midst of alleviating poverty believers must never forget that telling the message of salvation to all people is the most important duty they have, he said.

"Even as we feed the hungry, clothe the naked -- even as we reach out to the poor and the oppressed of our age, which is the calling of this convocation, we do have to say this: We must also and above all bring the message of salvation, for man (and) woman shall not live by bread alone."

The New Baptist Covenant meeting is scheduled to conclude Friday with an address by former President Bill Clinton.

John Grisham and the New Baptist Covenant (http://www.baptistpress.org/bpnews.asp?id=27309)


Title: Re: John Grisham and the New Baptist Covenant
Post by: Shammu on February 09, 2008, 01:20:39 PM
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

I take scripture literally. I see no reason to change, and I sure won't change it because of some writer who's stuff I never read anyway says it's wrong. It is so easy to see, how the anti-christ will pull the wool over so many people's eyes.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on February 09, 2008, 07:42:10 PM
Jury Duty Scam

This has been verified by the FBI (their link is also included below). Please pass this on to everyone in your email address book. It is spreading fast so be prepared should you get this call. Most of us take those summonses for jury duty seriously, but enough people skip out on their civic duty, that a new and ominous kind of fraud has surfaced.

The caller claims to be a jury coordinator. If you protest that you never received a summons for jury duty, the scammer asks you for your Social Security number and date of birth so he or she can verify the information and cancel the arrest warrant. Give out any of this information and bingo; y our identity w as just stolen.

The fraud has been reported so far in 11 states, including Oklahoma , Illinois , and Colorado . This (swindle) is particularly insidious because they use intimidation over the phone to try to bully people into giving information by pretending they are with the court system. The FBI and the federal court system have issued nationwide alerts on their web sites, warning consumers about the fraud.

Check it out here: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june06/jury_scams060206.htm  (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june06/jury_scams060206.htm)

And here: http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/juryduty.asp (http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/juryduty.asp)



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 09, 2008, 07:56:25 PM
Scam artists are continually coming up with more and more ingenious ideas for performing their illegal activities. I never give my soc sec number out over the internet or phone, not even a portion of it. This also goes to say for any other of my personal info. If I am asked for any of it by anyone my response is that I will be there in their office in a short while and we can finish our business then. That way I am face to face with those that might need it and I know for sure who has my information.



Title: Re: John Grisham and the New Baptist Covenant
Post by: nChrist on February 10, 2008, 03:49:47 AM
2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.

I take scripture literally. I see no reason to change, and I sure won't change it because of some writer who's stuff I never read anyway says it's wrong. It is so easy to see, how the anti-christ will pull the wool over so many people's eyes.

Amen Brother!

GOD is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. GOD lets us know in dramatic and very clear ways when HIS Will and directions to mankind change. As the best example, many wonderful things changed at the CROSS. This was and is the most precious and impacting event in human history.

Many are being deceived, and it's easy to see large bodies of people being mislead. Sadly, many are blindly following the leader, and that leader isn't working for GOD. Those who were never really Christians in the first place will be the easiest to deceive.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on February 10, 2008, 04:03:21 AM
Jury Duty Scam

This has been verified by the FBI (their link is also included below). Please pass this on to everyone in your email address book. It is spreading fast so be prepared should you get this call. Most of us take those summonses for jury duty seriously, but enough people skip out on their civic duty, that a new and ominous kind of fraud has surfaced.

The caller claims to be a jury coordinator. If you protest that you never received a summons for jury duty, the scammer asks you for your Social Security number and date of birth so he or she can verify the information and cancel the arrest warrant. Give out any of this information and bingo; y our identity w as just stolen.

The fraud has been reported so far in 11 states, including Oklahoma , Illinois , and Colorado . This (swindle) is particularly insidious because they use intimidation over the phone to try to bully people into giving information by pretending they are with the court system. The FBI and the federal court system have issued nationwide alerts on their web sites, warning consumers about the fraud.

Check it out here: http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june06/jury_scams060206.htm  (http://www.fbi.gov/page2/june06/jury_scams060206.htm)

And here: http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/juryduty.asp (http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/juryduty.asp)



Hello Grammyluv,

Sister, thanks for the information. This one is a very clever con game, and I can see where it would work very well with most people. It might also be difficult to catch and prosecute these people. A method might be devised to appeal to their greed and get them caught. As an example, I might offer to pay a fine in cash. A real court system never rejects cash. However, most real court systems don't do business like this over the phone. The person is required to appear before a judge. Average people might not know things like this and be fairly easy to deceive.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Maryjane on February 10, 2008, 04:19:36 PM
Then let us all be committed unto death to the One who gives us the power to withstand what ever the world throws at us..For greater is He that is in us than he that is in thr world. We are not pushovers, we are overcomers and no matter what the behavior is in this world, The Lord Jesus Christ dwells within us and shines the light that the lost can find their way for ther is hope even in the darkest hour for those who do not know the way..


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on February 10, 2008, 04:30:46 PM
Then let us all be committed unto death to the One who gives us the power to withstand what ever the world throws at us..For greater is He that is in us than he that is in thr world. We are not pushovers, we are overcomers and no matter what the behavior is in this world, The Lord Jesus Christ dwells within us and shines the light that the lost can find their way for ther is hope even in the darkest hour for those who do not know the way..

AMEN!!



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on February 10, 2008, 05:14:41 PM
Another Amen MaryJane!

JESUS CHRIST is the LIGHT of the World, and HIS LIGHT will never be put out. As Children of the LIGHT, we should love the LIGHT and desire to stay in it. We are safe and secure in the LIGHT, and no power can snatch us out of HIS Hands.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 12, 2008, 03:25:52 PM
Observation: Little about evangelism from Baptists' Atlanta gathering

Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, says it's no surprise that most of the speeches and workshops coming out of the recent meeting of liberal and moderate Baptists had little or nothing to do with evangelism.

The three-day event, which started January 30, was called "Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant." It was organized by former President Jimmy Carter and featured speeches by former President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore. After speaking to the gathering on the topic of global warming, Gore was labeled a "Baptist prophet" by the leader of a Baptist group based in Nashville.
 
In addition to global warming, topics at the Atlanta meeting included poverty, the war in Iraq, education funding, religious liberty, and religious diversity. Those attending the meeting represented 30 Baptist conventions and organizations, all of which are aligned with the North American Baptist Fellowship. Dr. Land said for most groups at the meeting, evangelism was not a high priority.
 
"If they were strong on evangelism, then all of these groups would not have declining membership," he observes. "And every one of the groups that was there either has declining membership or is stagnant in its membership growth."
 
Membership decline is an example, he contends, of what occurs when religious leaders exchange the true gospel for a social gospel. "That's what happens when you don't emphasize evangelism and when you compromise with the culture," Land argues.
 
"Some call it diversity and worship of diversity; I call it compromise with the culture," the Southern Baptist official continued. "We're going to stand over against the culture and bear witness to the culture, not be seduced by the culture."
 
Dr. Land also said the timing of the meeting, less than a week before Super Tuesday, was no coincidence. He expects there will be a lot of rhetoric from the "New Baptist Covenant" leading up to the November elections, but not much afterwards.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on February 12, 2008, 05:34:45 PM
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The three-day event, which started January 30, was called "Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant." It was organized by former President Jimmy Carter and featured speeches by former President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore. After speaking to the gathering on the topic of global warming, Gore was labeled a "Baptist prophet" by the leader of a Baptist group based in Nashville.

YUK! - Pardon my revulsion! - Prophet Al Gore anointed!

I think this tells us all that we need to know. By the way, GOD is the ONE who makes Covenants with mankind, and HE is the ONLY ONE who can change them.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on February 13, 2008, 03:01:49 AM
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The three-day event, which started January 30, was called "Celebration of a New Baptist Covenant." It was organized by former President Jimmy Carter and featured speeches by former President Bill Clinton and former Vice President Al Gore. After speaking to the gathering on the topic of global warming, Gore was labeled a "Baptist prophet" by the leader of a Baptist group based in Nashville.

The gift of prophet seems to have been a temporary gift given by the Christ for the laying of the foundation of the church. Prophets were foundational to the church (Ephesians 2:20). The prophet proclaimed a message from the Lord to the early believers. Sometimes a prophet’s message was revelatory (new revelation and truth from God) and sometimes a prophet’s message was predictive (Acts 11:28 and 21:10). The early Christians did not have the complete Bible. Some early Christians did not have access to any of the books of the New Testament. The New Testament prophets “filled the gap” by proclaiming God’s message to the people who would not have access to it otherwise. The last book of the New Testament (Revelation) was not completed until late in the first century. So, the Lord sent prophets to proclaimed God’s Word to His people.

If the purpose of a prophet was to reveal truth from God, why would we need prophets if we have the completed revelation from God in the Bible?? If prophets were the “foundation” of the early church, are we still building the “foundation” today? Can God give someone a message to deliver to someone else? Absolutely!! Does God reveal truth to someone in a supernatural way and enable that person to deliver that message to others?? Absolutely!! But is this the biblical gift of prophecy?? NO!!!!!

Whenever a person claims to be speaking for God (the essence of prophecy) the key is to compare what is said with what the Bible says. If God were to speak through a person today, it would be in 100% complete agreement with what God has already said in the Bible. God does not contradict Himself.

1 John 4:1 BELOVED, DO not put faith in every spirit, but prove (test) the spirits to discover whether they proceed from God; for many false prophets have gone forth into the world.

1 Thessalonians 5:20-21 Do not spurn the gifts and utterances of the prophets [do not depreciate prophetic revelations nor despise inspired instruction or exhortation or warning]. 21 But test and prove all things [until you can recognize] what is good; [to that] hold fast.

Compare what is said to what the Word of God says. If it contradicts the Bible, throw it out. If it agrees with the Bible, pray for wisdom and discernment as to how to apply the message!!

2 Timothy 3:16-17 Every Scripture is God-breathed (given by His inspiration) and profitable for instruction, for reproof and conviction of sin, for correction of error and discipline in obedience, [and] for training in righteousness (in holy living, in conformity to God's will in thought, purpose, and action), 17 So that the man of God may be complete and proficient, well fitted and thoroughly equipped for every good work.

James 1:5 If any of you is deficient in wisdom, let him ask of the giving God [Who gives] to everyone liberally and ungrudgingly, without reproaching or faultfinding, and it will be given him.

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Dr. Richard Land, president of the Ethics and Religious Liberty Commission of the Southern Baptist Convention, says it's no surprise that most of the speeches and workshops coming out of the recent meeting of liberal and moderate Baptists had little or nothing to do with evangelism.

2 Thessalonians 2:3-4 Let no one deceive or beguile you in any way, for that day will not come except the apostasy comes first [unless the predicted great falling away of those who have professed to be Christians has come], and the man of lawlessness (sin) is revealed, who is the son of doom (of perdition), 4  Who opposes and exalts himself so proudly and insolently against and over all that is called God or that is worshiped, [even to his actually] taking his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming that he himself is God.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: bronzesnake on February 13, 2008, 02:14:08 PM
His new name is Al Goreacle!  :D

(http://www.costumesofnashua.com/CNWebSite105/Active905/Pages/CostumeRental/Wizard/PicWizard/WizardR90701.jpg)

John


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on February 13, 2008, 03:30:36 PM
His new name is Al Goreacle!  :D

(http://www.costumesofnashua.com/CNWebSite105/Active905/Pages/CostumeRental/Wizard/PicWizard/WizardR90701.jpg)

John

 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

(http://i71.photobucket.com/albums/i160/tlr10/favor/favor051.gif)

I'm just glad to see that he's dressed for the COLD! NOW, all we have to worry about is knitting sweaters for the Polar Bears!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 16, 2008, 10:10:35 AM
'Dear Abby' a shock jock for promiscuity?
'Logical result of advice is fewer marriages, more sexual experimentation'

A new report is warning Americans to beware of reading or following the Dear Abby column, especially when writer Jeanne Phillips dispenses advice about sex.

"Publications that carry Abby might want to consider carrying a label: 'Warning: Although Abby has a reputation as the stern aunt who can deliver a well-placed kick to your backside when needed, on sexual topics her foot will push you further in the wrong direction at least half the time,'" said a report from the Culture and Media Institute.

The organization, which is designed to "advance, preserve, and help restore America's culture, character, traditional values, and morals against the assault of the liberal media elite," has examined the publications of "Dear Abby."

An icon in America, the advice column runs in 1,400 newspapers worldwide and reaches an estimated 110 million readers daily – about three times the combined viewership of ABC, CBS and NBC, the report said.

"Phillips enjoys a tremendous platform to promote her beliefs on everything from wedding etiquette to handling the crazy uncle in the attic," the report, assembled by research assistant Colleen Raezler, said.

However, the CMI analysis noted that 30 percent of her 2007 columns addressed issued associated with sex, and in more than half of those, she took "a distinctly non-traditional approach toward moral questions."

"Many of her columns on sex could have been written by Dr. Ruth (the sex therapist)," the report said.

"Fifty-four columns address sex between unmarried adults, and only one column suggests that sex should be preceded by marriage," the report summary said. "Thirty-six columns address infidelity. In only 10 of these columns does Abby suggest breaking off an affair, or not getting into an affair in the first place. Only once does Abby flatly state that an affair is 'wrong.'"

"At times Abby appears to condone adultery, even homosexual adultery," the report said. "'Confused in Illinois' wrote Abby that she had no interest in intimate relations with her husband, but she is now involved in a 'passionate sexual relationship' with a female friend. Abby told her to 'look at the bright side. At least you now finally understand what has been missing…'"

Of 12 columns dealing with teen sex, only three times did she suggest abstinence, and that was only for teens who were not yet sexually active, the report said.

Ten columns addressed homosexuality, "and Abby never says homosexual behavior is morally wrong. Instead she treats it as normal and ignores the well-documented, associated health risks."

She even adopts as normal quirky behavior. "Twenty of Abby's sex columns address topics such as stripping, nudism and cross-dressing," the report said. To a woman whose "significant other" wanted to dress as a woman, she said, "If I really cared about him, I think I'd ask to spend some time with his 'other self.'"

The column, founded by 1956 by Pauline Phillips and now taken over by her daughter, Jeanne, doesn't view sex as part of traditional morality that is "limited to married, heterosexual couples," the report said. It said a review of columns back to 1981 supported the fact that "Dear Abby … has consistently espoused sexually 'liberated' viewpoints for the past 30 years."

There have been alarms raised in the past. In 1997, W. Patrick Cunningham wrote about "Abby" and her sister, Ann Landers, who until her death in 2002 wrote that advice column.

"Their pithy dictums have seduced many into accepting the reasonableness of moral relativism; they have, over the past 40 years, helped legitimize the revolution in morality that has taken Western culture to the brink of extinction."

Among her other causes, Ann Landers advocated abortion and legalization of prostitution, the report said.

"Abby" regularly refers teens to Planned Parenthood, the nation's largest abortion provider, for information about "family planning.'

And for her work, column founder Pauline Phillips was awarded the Margaret Sanger Award from Planned Parenthood. She explained why she referred to Planned Parenthood.

"I knew that Planned Parenthood would advise her about her entire range of options," she later explained.

Crisis pregnancy centers, however, should be avoided, she said, because of the "color videos of aborted fetuses."

On homosexuality, the 2007 columns were unanimous in their sympathy to the homosexual agenda in the United States. In October, Phillips told the Associated Press that she supports same-sex "marriage." She said, "I believe if two people want to commit to each other, God bless 'em."

On sex between unmarried individuals, she endorsed it 53 of 54 times the subject arose. And the one exception was, in fact, a joke.

"Only once did Abby suggest waiting until marriage before engaging in sexual activity, and that was to a 59-year-old widow who asked how to respond to her 71-year-old widower companions' question about how she feels about sex. Abby suggested, "The next time the gentleman asks how you feel about sex, say, 'I love sex. How do you feel about marriage?'"

The Media Research Center, parent of the Culture and Media Institute, said it was offering a way for concerned newspaper readers to take action. It is providing a link that allows readers to demand that newspapers print a disclaimer above the "Abby" columns, "warning readers that she is not an accredited professional and her advice on sexual morality cannot be trusted."

"The logical result of following Abby's advice is fewer marriages, more sexual experimentation and fewer strong families producing self-governing citizens," the report concluded.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 18, 2008, 05:10:35 PM
Counselors ordered to argue for homosexuality
Professional association warns doing otherwise may be unethical

The American Counseling Association has ruled that when clients ask for help in changing their sexual orientation, member counselors must offer "gay affirmative" arguments, and if the client persists, counselors must explore the "religious influences that underpin homophobia that may be harming the client."

Now the one-sided demands of the association are being challenged by a coalition of hundreds of counselors as well as a law firm that wants the association to issue a "clarification" in order to avoid "future legal actions."

At issue is a ruling from the association concerning clients who seek help in clarifying their sexual orientation as that matching their physical characteristics.

Such questions from clients need to be met with that "gay affirmative" response, the organization's leaders have stated, and if a client insists on seeking such treatment, a counselor who even refers a client to anyone offering reparative counseling could be violating the association's ethical guidelines.

Dr. Warren Throckmorton, an educator from Grove City College in Pennsylvania, assembled a coalition of about 400 counselors who are having difficulties with the pro-homosexual mandate from the association and have written to tell its chief, Brian Canfield, of their concerns.

Throckmorton noted a complaint had been filed with the ACA's executive committee months ago, and officials there have refused to respond.

"Thus, we, the undersigned are making a formal complaint to the American Counseling Association," he wrote.

The new pro-homosexual agenda, the letter said, "violates pre-existing ACA policy regarding Non-consensus Social Issues of Conscience."

That policy states that the ACA and its members "endorse the members' right to support social, political, religious, and professional actions groups whose values and positions on such issues are congruent with their own …. to truly celebrate diversity, we must be united in our respect for the differences in our membership. To this end, the role of the Association in such matters is to support the rights of members to hold contrary points of views. …"

Throckmorton's letter, however, noted that the ACA Ethics Committee opinion in question "is prejudicial toward clients and counselors who hold traditional beliefs and values regarding sexuality."

"We write because we believe the ACA opinion takes a side against people of conservative and traditional beliefs about sexuality, a domain where social and professional consensus is not clear," the letter said.

ACA officials could not be reached by WND for a comment because the association was closed for the holiday.

But the letter noted the ethics committee opinion stated as fact: "Conversion therapy as a practice is a religious, not psychologically-based, practice. The premise of the treatment is to change a client's sexual orientation. The treatment may include techniques based in Christian faith-based methods such as the use of 'testimonials, mentoring, prayer, Bible readings, and Christian weekend workshops.'"

The ethics committee, instead, demanded the use of "treatments" endorsed by the "association for Gay, Lesbian, and Bisexual Issues in Counseling," which it described as "a division of the American Counseling Association and the American Psychological Association."

"These treatments are gay affirmative and help a client reconcile his/her same-sex attractions with religious beliefs," the committee wrote.

Throckmorton's letter noted, "Essentially, the entire opinion discourages counselors and clients from attempting to do anything about homosexual desires except affirm them."

Such narrow opinions "stigmatize religious people who might use testimonials, mentoring, prayer, Bible reading and Christian teachings to enable them to live sexually in ways which conform to their beliefs … The teachings of many religions discourage homosexual practice (not Christianity alone) and for the ACA ECO to isolate these practices and in essence to discourage these teachings is prejudicial," the letter said.

The ethics committee opinion clearly makes a statement "of preference for one religious belief regarding homosexuality over another" and in doing so violates the ACA's policy.

The Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide organization of attorneys dedicated to defending religious liberty, said the ACA "suggests that 'conversion therapy' has no legitimate place in counseling and that those who either engage in such counseling or refer clients for this kind of therapy may violate the ACA's ethics rules."

"It is imperative that the religious beliefs of both clients and counselors are respected and protected. A client's religious beliefs and desire to conform his or her sexual practices to those beliefs should be respected and should not be intentionally undermined by a counselor," said a letter from ADF Senior Legal Counsel Brian W. Raum.

"The ACA Ethics Committee opinion provides no guidance or recognition that counselors may work with clients who do not affirm homosexual behavior in order to pursue lives in keeping with their religious beliefs and values," he wrote.

The ACA ethics requirements, written by Joy S. Whitman, Harriet L. Glosoff, Michael M. Kocet and Vilia Tarvydas, used as an example a client who reports he is "gay" and then states, "I want to change my way of life and not be gay anymore" and specifically asks for help with "reparative/conversion" therapy.

The proper response, according to the ACA, is for the counselor to inform the client "she does not believe reparative/conversion therapy is effective and no empirical support exists for the approach. She further states that this form of therapy can actually be harmful to clients, so she will not offer this as a treatment."

The committee warns if a counselor offers such counseling, they would be in jeopardy of violating the association's code of ethics.

"There also was agreement ... any counselors stating that they can offer conversion therapy must also offer referrals to gay, lesbian, and bisexual-affirmative counselors and should discuss thoroughly the right of clients to seek these professionals' counsel. In doing so, counselors must explore with clients the underlying reasons for their interest in changing their sexual orientation and discuss the social, political, and religious influences that underpin homophobia that may be harming the client," the ACA committee said.

"Christian counselors and the people who receive their counseling shouldn't be penalized for abiding by their beliefs," Raum said. "People have the right to choose the counselor they want, and counselors have the right to suggest what they believe will help. Professional freedom of conscience a crucial element in ensuring that clients receive the help they need."


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 18, 2008, 05:16:48 PM
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The Alliance Defense Fund, a nationwide organization of attorneys dedicated to defending religious liberty, said the ACA "suggests that 'conversion therapy' has no legitimate place in counseling and that those who either engage in such counseling or refer clients for this kind of therapy may violate the ACA's ethics rules."

If "conversion therapy" has no legitimate place in counseling then there is no hope for murderers, thieves, or anything else that may be considered a variant from acceptable behavior and there is no sense of anyone going through any sort of counseling. The counselors may as well give up there jobs as such and let deviant behavior run amok after all individuals can't be converted to that which is socially and morally acceptable.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on February 18, 2008, 07:01:29 PM
If "conversion therapy" has no legitimate place in counseling then there is no hope for murderers, thieves, or anything else that may be considered a variant from acceptable behavior and there is no sense of anyone going through any sort of counseling. The counselors may as well give up there jobs as such and let deviant behavior run amok after all individuals can't be converted to that which is socially and morally acceptable.



AMEN!

People involved in deviant and perverted behavior are going to feel guilty and wrong because they are guilty and wrong. Repentance and accepting CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR is the only way to find peace. Nothing else will make things right, and encouragement to continue in misery is very cruel. It's also life-threatening since this perverted behavior is directly linked to many dreaded diseases that result in a slow and painful death. It would seem that encouragement to continue is sadistic and without conscience.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 23, 2008, 04:23:05 PM
Virginia parents succeed against pro-homosexual book

Parents in one Virginia County have successfully forced the removal of a book, which promotes homosexuality, from their local elementary school.

The book, titled And Tango Makes Three, is based in part on the story of two male penguins that temporarily form a couple to raise a penguin chick. Peter LaBarbera with Americans for Truth About Homosexuality says he is not surprised that the homosexual propaganda piece is still showing up in elementary school libraries.

"One of the more insidious aspects of the homosexual agenda has been its willingness to manipulate young people's minds to promote homosexual behavior," he warns. "We shouldn't be talking about homosexuality to kids who are years away from understanding ... what normal sex is ...."

Critics say the book does not explain that the real penguins -- on which the story is based -- split-up as soon as a potential female partner was introduced into their environment. And one of them later mated with her.

"In other words, the homosexual activists recommend a story, which is ... not even a true story," LaBarbera argues. "The penguin who returned to normalcy, of course, the kids don't know about that.

LaBarbera admits he is not surprised at the willingness of homosexual activists to use deceit to promote their agenda. "The homosexual activists know that they have to change minds very young and equate homosexuality with love before the parents can inculcate their own values," he continues. "So that's why these books are insidious, because they're ... trying to change these kids' minds and their moral framework ...."

The book is now only available to teachers and parents in Loudon County, Virginia, elementary schools. Middle and high school students can read it with no restrictions and without permission from or notice to their parents.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on February 23, 2008, 08:46:04 PM
If "conversion therapy" has no legitimate place in counseling then there is no hope for murderers, thieves, or anything else that may be considered a variant from acceptable behavior and there is no sense of anyone going through any sort of counseling. The counselors may as well give up there jobs as such and let deviant behavior run amok after all individuals can't be converted to that which is socially and morally acceptable.



AMEN!

People involved in deviant and perverted behavior are going to feel guilty and wrong because they are guilty and wrong. Repentance and accepting CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR is the only way to find peace. Nothing else will make things right, and encouragement to continue in misery is very cruel. It's also life-threatening since this perverted behavior is directly linked to many dreaded diseases that result in a slow and painful death. It would seem that encouragement to continue is sadistic and without conscience.

What they said!  ;D


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 25, 2008, 11:37:11 AM
'Earth worship' on the rise among evangelical youth

Janice Crouse, a senior fellow with Concerned Women for America, says it's disturbing that many young people in evangelical churches are experimenting with the Wiccan religion. Church leaders and Christian parents, she warns, must be ready to counter that growing interest among their youth.

Crouse cites an article in Religion Journal which said youth pastors in the Southern Baptist Convention were worried about large numbers of evangelicals taking part in Wicca, a religion that involves nature worship, stresses moral autonomy, and includes remedies and spells -- beliefs that Crouse points out are distinctly different from orthodox Christianity, not to mention incompatible with the Bible.
 
"... Wiccans believe in moral autonomy -- [that] 'nobody can tell me what to do.' And I think particularly with young people ... that's a very desirable thing; they don't want the church telling them that there are boundaries, [that] there are things that they can't do," she explains. "Another one is that they don't believe in having authorities beyond human constructs; that we as individuals have the responsibility to shape our own beliefs and there's no evil beyond that."
 
Crouse, who directs Concerned Women for America's Beverly LaHaye Institute, says the interest in Wicca can be traced to recent books featuring witchcraft and similar topics.
 
"Some people think this goes back to the books that were so popular up until recently, and so many of the games and television programs that feature witchcraft and magic and fairy tales that have a dimension to it that if you just pull out some kind of spell you can make anything happen," she says. "This has really become quite entrenched in many of the young people's groups and in evangelicals in particular."
 
According to Crouse, "earth worship" -- as she describes Wicca -- appeals to people who do not want to be bound by any book of authority or have imposed on them any requirements to be "believers."


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 25, 2008, 11:38:48 AM
I would also venture to say that "earth worship" is also fueled by the environmentalist groups which puts earth as being "mother" of all.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on February 25, 2008, 12:17:23 PM
I would also venture to say that "earth worship" is also fueled by the environmentalist groups which puts earth as being "mother" of all.



I'd like to know how they singled out evangelical youth as the most apt to pay attention to this garbage. If this is true, it would mean the youth were never properly taught the things of the LORD when they were younger. I do know that there are a lot of parents who teach their children NOTHING at all about the LORD. These are the first children I would suspect to fall prey to false teachings like Wicca. By the way, Wicca isn't very far removed from Witchcraft. They even belong to the same international listings and registry. YES - you heard me right. These folks have their own international society, and they register themselves to take part. These are dangerous things to experiment with. We should not underestimate many of the things being done in these groups. THEY ARE NOT HARMLESS!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 25, 2008, 12:45:14 PM
Concerned Women for America is an organization that tries "to protect and promote Biblical values among all citizens". Their concern in this article are those that claim to be evangelical teens and in this study they only looked at that group and not at teens in general. Yes, the greatest failure in this is in insuring a solid foundation of learning for our children. To many parents leave education of their children to others or take the attitude it must be up to the child to decide instead of taking the Biblical teaching of it being the parents responsibility to bring their children up in the ways of the Lord.



Title: Saudi tutor gets lashes for meeting student
Post by: Shammu on February 27, 2008, 03:28:22 PM
Saudi tutor gets lashes for meeting student

Last Updated: 2:40am GMT 27/02/2008

A married university professor has been sentenced to 180 lashes and eight months in prison for having coffee with a female student.

The professor of psychology at Umm al-Qra University in Mecca, Saudi Arabia, was caught in a "honey trap" operation after angering members of the religious police during a training course, his lawyer said.

The academic is said to have received a call from a supposed student, who asked to discuss a problem in person; he agreed, provided she brought along a brother as a chaperone.

When the man arrived at the meeting place, the girl was alone, and he was arrested for being in a state of khulwa - seclusion - with an unrelated female.

The professor, who has not been named, was reported to be a married man in his late 50s with children.

Contact between unrelated men and women is prohibited in Saudi Arabia, where religious police patrol public places to enforce Islamic law on behalf of the Commission for Promotion of Virtue and Prevention of Vice.

Abdullah al-Sanousi, the professor's lawyer, said his client had upset some of the commission's trainees on a course that a number had failed.

The professor, who is said to have taped the girl admitting that she was sent by the police, is appealing against the sentence.

Saudi tutor gets lashes for meeting student (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/02/27/wsaudi127.xml)


Title: American Professor, Ousted From DePaul University, Declares Support for Hezbolla
Post by: Shammu on February 27, 2008, 04:19:25 PM
American Professor, Ousted From DePaul University, Declares Support for Hezbollah in Lebanon

Monday , February 25, 2008

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CHICAGO —
An ousted American political science professor who believes some Jews have exploited the legacy of the Holocaust recently expressed his support for the terrorist organization Hezbollah.

Norman Finkelstein, who resigned from DePaul University last fall amid criticism of his opinions on the Holocaust, told Lebanese television that his view of Hezbollah is "rarely heard" in the United States.

"I have no problem saying that I do want to express solidarity with them, and I'm not going to be a coward and a hypocrite about it," Finkelstein told Future TV. "I don't care about Hezbollah as a political organization. I don't know much about their politics and anyhow, it's irrelevant."

The Jan. 20, 2008, interview was conducted in Arabic; Finkelstein replied in English.

Hezbollah, funded by Iran and Syria, engages in terror operations worldwide. President Bush and other U.S. leaders view the organization as an opposing force to peace in the Middle East, and it is listed by the U.S. State Department as a foreign terrorist organization.

Finkelstein’s support for Hezbollah would be illegal if he were helping raise funds for the organization, said Richard Miniter, a terrorism analyst with the Hudson Institute.

“If terrorists are able to use his name to fundraise in any way, that would be illegal,” said Miniter, who added that only Al Qaeda has killed more Americans than Hezbollah.

Finkelstein, who is the son of Holocaust survivors, said in the televised interview that Jews had to resist the Communists in World War II and the Lebanese people will have to make the same kind of choice about accepting or resisting Hezbollah.

"It's a choice that the Lebanese have to make — who they want to be their leaders, who they want to represent them."

Israel and the United States are resisting Hezbollah's control of the region, Finkelstein said.

"That's the problem," he said. "If Hezbollah laid down its arms and said, 'We will do whatever the Americans say,' you wouldn't have a war.

"That's true, but you would also be the slaves of the Americans. I have to respect those who refuse to be slaves."

He said Israel must suffer a defeat to lead to peace in the Middle East.

Asked to comment on this report, Finkelstein said he was only willing to speak live on air.

Alan Dershowitz, a Harvard Law School professor and supporter of Israel, said Finkelstein’s comments show that he is anti-American.

“If it’s not literal treason, it certainly is treason in spirit,” Dershowitz told FOXNews.com. “He belongs with Hezbollah."

Finkelstein is supporting an organization that brags about killing Americans, he added.

“This is a man who supports an organization that recently called for terrorist attacks against Jews and Americans all across the world,” Dershowitz said.

Click here to visit Finkelstein's Web site.

Finkelstein initially fought DePaul, a private Catholic university in Chicago, on its decision last September to cancel his courses and deny him tenure after six years as a faculty member.

He threatened to risk arrest by appearing on campus, but negotiations with university officials led to a peaceful exit.

Dershowitz, who weighted in on Finkelstein's tenure process, said Finkelstein’s support for Hezbollah vindicates the decision by DePaul to deny his tenure.

“To have an American citizen endorsing the views of a group of Iranian-funded Lebanese murderers, it shows you that the biggest front in the War on Terror is the propaganda war,” Miniter said. “Days like today, it looks like we’re losing.”

American Professor, Ousted From DePaul University, Declares Support for Hezbollah in Lebanon (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,332360,00.html)


Title: Teacher's Aide Quits After Hosting Sex and Drugs Party for High School Students
Post by: Shammu on February 27, 2008, 04:21:40 PM
Teacher's Aide Quits After Hosting Sex and Drugs Party for High School Students

Tuesday , February 26, 2008

A teacher's aide quit her job on Monday after police discovered teenage students in her hotel room with alcohol and drugs.

Abbiejane Swogger, 34, who resigned from the Highlands School District in Natrona Heights, Pa., faces possible criminal charges and corruption of minors charges.

"I did not have any sex with anybody," said Swogger, a former exotic dancer.

Police found condom wrappers, crack-cocaine, empty beer cans and alcohol in Swogger's hotel room last week. Swogger did not show up to work on Thursday or Friday.

The room smelled of marijuana when officers broke up the party early Friday, said Detective Dennis Marsili. Some parents of the missing teens reported their disappearance to police.

Teacher's Aide Quits After Hosting Sex and Drugs Party for High School Students (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,332712,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 28, 2008, 11:01:13 AM
Planned Parenthood: Wanting fewer blacks 'understandable'
Abortion provider says 'yes' when 'donor' wants to reduce minorities

A student-run magazine at UCLA has revealed an undercover investigation in which representatives of Planned Parenthood, the nation's abortion industry leader, admitted willingness to accepting a financial donation targeting the destruction of an unborn black baby.

Lila Rose, who edits The Advocate, previously revealed how Planned Parenthood officials expressed a willingness to conceal statutory rape, an investigative piece that earned her an appearance on the Fox News Channel's "The O'Reilly Factor."

Now she's told WND she hopes the taped responses of Planned Parenthood officials in seven states reveal to her local UCLA community and the nation the racist leanings of the organization.

WND calls to Planned Parenthood of Idaho, which was featured in The Advocate report, requesting a comment were not returned.

"Students on campus are shocked and saddened that such a huge organization would have racist leanings in the present day," Rose told WND. "They are surprised to hear the truth about [Planned Parenthood founder] Margaret Sanger, and how the African-American community is being hurt by abortion.

(Story continues below)

"There's a lot of surprise out there. Planned Parenthood does an excellent job of covering up the facts," she said.

Sanger supported eugenics to cull those she considered unfit from the population. In 1921, she said eugenics is "the most adequate and thorough avenue to the solution of racial, political and social problems."

At one point, Sanger lamented "the ever increasing, unceasingly spawning class of human beings who never should have been born at all." Another time, Sanger wrote, "We do not want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population."

According to Bryan Fisher, executive director of Idaho Values Alliance, Planned Parenthood, which gets an estimated $200 million annually from U.S. taxpayers, has located nearly 80 percent of its clinics nationwide in minority neighborhoods, and about one-third of all abortions are performed on blacks, even though they make up only 13 percent of the population.

Nationwide, almost half of all black pregnancies end in abortion, officials said.

"It turns out that blatant racism is alive and well in Idaho, but it's not coming from the Aryan Nation types – it's coming from way-left organizations like Idaho's own Planned Parenthood," Fischer said. "If Idaho is in fact a haven for white racism, it turns out that Planned Parenthood and not Richard Butler is to blame."

Richard Butler, who died in 2004, was a notorious white supremacist who founded Aryan Nations in northern Idaho. He lost a 20-acre compound in 2000 when a $6.3 million civil judgment against his group led to a bankruptcy.

"Idaho didn't have room for Richard Butler and shouldn't have room for Planned Parenthood," Fischer said.

The Advocate released a transcript of a conversation between an actor presuming to be a racist and wanting to make a donation, and a woman identified as Autumn Kersey, vice president of marketing for Planned Parenthood of Idaho.

 

    Actor: I want to specify that abortion to help a minority group, would that be possible?
    Planned Parenthood: Absolutely.
    Actor: Like the black community for example?
    Planned Parenthood: Certainly.
    Actor: The abortion – I can give money specifically for a black baby, that would be the purpose?
    Planned Parenthood: Absolutely. If you wanted to designate that your gift be used to help an African-American woman in need, then we would certainly make sure that the gift was earmarked for that purpose.
    Actor: Great, because I really faced trouble with affirmative action, and I don't want my kids to be disadvantaged against black kids. I just had a baby; I want to put it in his name.
    Planned Parenthood: Yes, absolutely.
    Actor: And we don't, you know we just think, the less black kids out there the better.
    Planned Parenthood: (Laughs) Understandable, understandable.
    Actor: Right. I want to protect my son, so he can get into college.
    Planned Parenthood: All right. Excuse my hesitation, this is the first time I've had a donor call and make this kind of request, so I'm excited, and want to make sure I don't leave anything out.

The investigation included calls to Planned Parenthood in Idaho and half a dozen other states

"I think Idahoans are going to be horrified and shocked at the blatant racism and bigotry exhibited by our local Planned Parenthood affiliate," said Fischer. "I just cannot imagine they're going to stand for that."

He said the timing of the release of the information was intriguing, because the Idaho Legislature is scheduled this week to have its first public hearing on a bill written to prevent Idaho women from being forced into having abortions they do not want.

Rose said students at UCLA now have begun a petition to request the school cut its affiliations with Planned Parenthood.

She said the actor specifically asked about lowering "the number of black people," and each PP branch called agreed to process the racially earmarked donation.

"None expressed concern about the racist reasoning for the donation," The Advocate said.

The Advocate said an Ohio representative, identified as Lisa Hutton, listens to the racist reasoning, but confirmed Planned Parenthood "will accept the money for whatever reason."

Rose said her UCLA campaign has been endorsed by Alveda King, niece of Martin Luther King, who said she supports "the student campaign to get UCLA to cease its programs with Planned Parenthood."

Another Planned Parenthood branch, in Kansas, is facing 107 misdemeanor and felonies charges for allegedly violating Kansas abortion law.

WND reported Rose previously posed as a 15-year-old seeking an abortion at a Planned Parenthood center in Santa Monica, Calif. She was equipped with a hidden camera when she met with an employee to discuss her options.

When Rose revealed she was 15 and her boyfriend was 23, the employee informed her Planned Parenthood was legally required to report the statutory rape, a transcript of the conversation shows.

The Planned Parenthood representative then suggested she could say she was 16 and avoid complications.

"Well, just figure out a birth date that works. And I don't know anything," the rep said.

The Texas-based pro-life group Life Dynamics previously conducted an extensive undercover project in which an adult volunteer posing as a 13-year-old called every Planned Parenthood clinic in the U.S., saying she was pregnant by a 22-year-old boyfriend. Almost without exception, the clinics advised her to obtain an abortion without her parents' knowledge and told her how to protect her boyfriend, who would be guilty in any state of statutory rape.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on February 28, 2008, 02:34:33 PM
Congressmen call for defunding Planned Parenthood
Taxpayers support teen website promoting pornography, promiscuity

After reviewing materials posted on Planned Parenthood's teenwire.com Web site at the request of Cybercast News Service, three House Republicans are calling for the termination of Planned Parenthood's federal funding. Among other things, teenwire promotes the use of pornography by teenagers.

Rep. Doug Lamborn (R.-Colo.) said teenwire "is another reason we should pull all federal funding from Planned Parenthood," a group that also performs abortions.

"There should be no money that goes to any Internet site that promotes promiscuity or sexual license in any way," Rep. Steve King (R.-Iowa) told Cybercast News Service.

"I don't believe taxpayer funding should be going to groups that put sexually explicit material on the Internet targeted at minors," Rep. Joseph Pitts (R.-Pa.), chairman of the House Values Action Team, said.

The congressmen spoke to Cybercast News Service after reviewing materials from Planned Parenthood's teenwire.com, which says its mission is to provide "medically accurate" information about sex to teenagers.

As Cybercast News Service reported on Feb. 26, teenwire.com recommends viewing "sexy pictures or movies" as a way for young couples to enjoy "safer sex."

The Web site notes that federal law prohibits porn viewing by anyone under 18. "However," it says, "not everyone follows the rules, and you may run across some porn before you turn 18."

It goes on to say that "many people enjoy pornography alone or with a partner as part of sex play. People have different ideas of what is arousing, and there are many different kinds of porn that appeal to people's different interests."

The lawmakers reviewed other content from the site, including graphic illustrations from "Behind the Fig Leaf," a slide show depicting the differing "styles" of male and female genitalia.

Rep. King told Cybercast News Service that he had heard of teenwire.com promoting safer sex. "What you've shown me brings it to my attention in a serious way," he said. "You go back to Margaret Sanger and in the beginning of (Planned Parenthood), she is advocating promiscuity. (Teenwire.com) is advocating promiscuity.

"We should shut off all federal dollars to any organization that provides abortion services or counseling," King added. "There should be no money that goes to any Internet site that promotes promiscuity or sexual license in any way. If there is going to be sexual license promoted, let that happen some place else. But the federal government should not be subsidizing it," he said.

"(Teenwire.com) is another reason we should pull all federal funding from Planned Parenthood," Rep. Lamborn (R-Colo.) agreed. "Time and time again this organization has used taxpayer dollars to promote interests that are not in step with the values of the American people."

"I don't believe taxpayer funding should be going to groups that put sexually explicit material on the Internet targeted at minors," Rep. Pitts (R-Pa.) told Cybercast News Service. "Parents today already have their work cut out for them trying to keep their kids from viewing smut on the Internet.

"The federal government shouldn't be funding groups that produce this sort of material under the pretense that it is educational," he said.

Rep. King said he thinks teenwire.com is evidence of the continued moral decline in America, a decline boosted during the Clinton administration, he said.

"This is a progression of the kind of activity that came from President Clinton's surgeon general (Jocelyn Elders), who advocated gotcha21, and Bill Clinton himself, who argued what sex 'wasn't,' and that has permeated our college campuses and our society. There are now probably millions of people who think [that] what went on between Bill Clinton and Monica Lewinski was not sex."

King added that teenwire.com is part of Planned Parenthood's wider agenda, which he believes is damaging American culture. "I think it's part of its strategic plan to break down the moral order of our society so that the people on the other side of morality and integrity can take power in this country."

Planned Parenthood and other family planning organizations get federal tax dollars under Title X of the Public Service Health Act.

In its 2005-2006 annual report, Planned Parenthood Federation of America reported that $305.3 million, or 34 percent of its annual income, came from government grants and contracts.


Title: Creationists 'peddle lies about fossil record'
Post by: Shammu on February 28, 2008, 04:12:47 PM
Creationists 'peddle lies about fossil record'

By Lucy Cockcroft
Last Updated: 12:01am GMT 28/02/2008

A leading scientist accuses creationists of peddling the lie that there is no fossil evidence of evolution.

Some Christians claim there is a lack of "missing link" fossils, halfway between two major groups of creatures.

They say this proves Charles Darwin's theory of evolution is a fallacy and that God created each living species from nothing.

But, in an essay published in the magazine New Scientist today, geologist Donald Prothero claims that reports of "huge gaps" in the fossil records have been greatly exaggerated.

Dr Prothero, a professor of geology at Occidental College in Los Angeles, said: "Life does not progress up a hierarchical ladder from 'low' to 'high' but is a branching bush with numerous lineages splitting apart and coexisting simultaneously.

"For example, apes and humans split from a common ancestor seven million years ago and both lineages are still around.

"For this reason the concept of 'missing link' is a misleading one. A transitional form does not need to be a perfect halfway house directly linking one group of organisms to another.

"It merely needs to record aspects of evolutionary change that occurred as one lineage split from another."

When Darwin first proposed the idea of evolution by natural selection in 1859, the fossil record offered little support. He even devoted two entire chapters of the Origin of Species to the imperfection of the geological record, but predicted that it would eventually support his theories.

Dr Prothero said the creationists are ignoring a wealth of transitional fossils found since Darwin's era which provide proof of the evolutionary process.

He said: "The idea still persists that the fossil record is too patchy to provide good evidence of evolution. One reason for this is the influence of creationism.

"Foremost among their tactics is to distort or ignore the evidence for evolution; a favourite lie is 'there are no transitional fossils'.

"This is manifestly untrue. We now have abundant evidence for how all the major groups of animals are related, much of it in the form of excellent transitional fossils."

Randall Hardy, the head of the British branch of Creation Research, said last night: "Any attempt to impose evolution stories onto these fossils is just speculation.

"It's all because of the mindset of these people [scientists], which is pre-disposed towards evolution."

Creationists 'peddle lies about fossil record' (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2008/02/28/scicreation128.xml)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Maryjane on February 29, 2008, 11:20:10 PM
Immoral behavior is as if it is normal..can you imagine that people do not even blush at immoral behavior but find wqys to justify it..We pay taxes so that immoral behavior is called a disease and a disability that we actually pay for through our taxes..The church has to strand again for what is authentic Christianity not a watered down feel good that does not even blush at the sin that is accepted in the church today..The prosperity preachers are having to submit their donor list because of the lifestyle they live through money that is taken by ill gain from the innocent..This is immoral behavior in the church that has causes countless people to turn away from God because of false preaching without being given the true gospel..Ther eare those who call themselves healers that hire actors to pretend they are healed..God is exposing these to alll. God is preparing His people and dividing the wheat from the tares. 


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on March 01, 2008, 09:46:23 AM
Amen MaryJane!

Sister, this is sickening, especially considering the confusion caused for the lost watching. A lot of things these days actually amount to circus side-shows and carnival games. The lost would be MUCH better off by hearing the GOOD NEWS from very plain Christians who simply love JESUS CHRIST as LORD and SAVIOUR. The Apostle Paul spoke about the importance of knowing little more than CHRIST and HIM Crucified! GOD has work for all of us to do!.

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on March 10, 2008, 11:05:33 AM
Carter, Annan to Head Peace Mission

2 days ago

JOHANNESBURG, South Africa (AP) — The council of world leaders launched by former President Nelson Mandela is sending a three-person team to help ease tensions in the troubled Middle East, the organization known as The Elders said Friday.

Former President Jimmy Carter, former U.N. Secretary General Kofi Annan and former Irish president Mary Robinson will visit Israel, the Palestinian territories, Egypt, Jordan, Syria, and Saudi Arabia from April 13-21.

Launched last year to celebrate Mandela's 89th birthday, the group of 12 world leaders is dedicated to fostering peace and resolving global crises.

Annan noted his recent mission to Kenya in which he mediated a power-sharing agreement in the country's disputed presidential election.

"I have just completed an intense and grueling negotiation in Kenya and learned that conflict is easier than peace, but persistence makes peace possible," said Annan, adding that he was "acutely sensitive to the centrality of the Israeli-Palestinian crisis in the mind of many in the Middle East."

Archbishop Desmond Tutu, who chairs The Elders, appealed to the Israelis and Palestinians to stop the "cycle of violence."

Tutu said he condemned "unequivocally the dastardly" attack Thursday by a Palestinian gunman on a Jewish seminary in Jerusalem that killed eight Israeli students.

He also "equally vehemently" condemned the deaths of civilians in the recent Israeli offensive on Gaza. The campaign, in which more than 120 Palestinians have been killed, targeted militants who have been barraging southern Israel with rockets.

"Peace will not come from the barrel of a gun, as we learned in South Africa," he said. "Peace will only come when the inexorable cycle of reprisal provoking counter reprisal, ad nauseam ends. When the inalienable rights of all, Israeli and Palestinian, are recognized and respected."

Carter, Annan to Head Peace Mission (http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5in7S51RNeORdhpp5YvltsB2C4m7QD8V8OOQ00)
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Well they have both sided with the palestinians, so they're already off on the wrong foot. Carters most recent junk shows he is against Israel just like so many others.Whatever comes out of his mouth seems to do nothing but raise my blood pressure lately.

Whatever peace these people dream up, Israel's gonna get the short end of the bargain.


Title: A record 3,000 late abortions in Britain
Post by: Shammu on March 10, 2008, 11:24:22 AM
A record 3,000 late abortions in Britain

By Laura Donnelly, Health Correspondent
Last Updated: 11:55pm GMT 08/03/2008

The number of late abortions in Britain has reached a record level, The Sunday Telegraph can reveal.

Almost 3,000 were carried out on women who were at least 20 weeks pregnant, according to the latest annual figures in England and Wales, representing a 44 per cent increase in less than a decade.
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The vast majority were for "lifestyle" reasons; less than a quarter were because of a risk that the child would be born handicapped.

The figures come amid rising concern over the current 24-week time limit for legal abortions. Campaigners who cite research showing improved survival rates for very premature babies, combined with evidence suggesting young foetuses can feel pain, are putting pressure on MPs ahead of a crucial debate on the issue next month.

MPs are planning to add amendments to the Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill to reduce the limit to 20 or 21 weeks. David Cameron, the Tory leader, has said he would back such a change.

Doctors yesterday blamed failings in sex education for the rise in late abortions. Dr Trevor Stammers, a practising GP from the charity Family Youth Concern, said the Government's approach had left the present generation of young women with the impression that abortions were "like having an appendix out".

He blamed "a very casual attitude towards sex, which is aided and abetted by the medical profession". He said: "Women get the idea it's a trivial matter and as a result they are much more cavalier about presenting to their GP late."

Abortion providers said the rise in late terminations - from 2,041 in 1997 to 2,948 in 2006 - showed that some women were leading increasingly "out-of-control" lives.

Ann Furedi, the chief executive of the British Pregnancy Advisory Service, said: "Sometimes it's women who haven't recognised the symptoms of pregnancy.

"Sometimes it is about women who are living very out-of-control lives, often with alcohol or drug problems, and sometimes it's about women whose lives have suddenly changed, whose guy has suddenly left them, so that a wanted pregnancy becomes unwanted."

But Ms Furedi described the rise as "not necessarily bad news" given that "these are the very women for whom it would be a disaster if they were compelled to continue unwanted pregnancies".

Last month, research published by University College London Hospital showed that survival rates for babies born alive between 22 and 25 weeks had increased from 32 to 71 per cent, in under two decades.

In January, Professor Sunny Anand, a foetal pain expert, presented MPs with a study showing that foetuses can feel pain from 20 weeks, showing changes in their expression, and the withdrawal of limbs from painful stimulation.

A record 3,000 late abortions in Britain  (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/03/09/nabort109.xml)


Title: Obama's pastor denounces United States
Post by: Shammu on March 17, 2008, 11:24:15 AM
Obama's pastor denounces United States
Jim Brown - OneNewsNow - 3/14/2008 12:30:00 PM

Obama and PastorDemocratic presidential frontrunner Senator Barack Obama's longtime relationship with his former pastor and spiritual mentor Jeremiah Wright is coming under increasing scrutiny from some national media outlets.

ABC, MSNBC and Fox News have been airing excerpts from some of Pastor Wright's sermons, including one in 2003 when he denounced the United States for its treatment of blacks. "The government gives them the drugs, builds bigger prisons, passes a three-strike law, and then wants us to sing God Bless America," shouts Wright. "No, no, no, not God Bless America -- God d___ America, it's in the Bible for killing innocent people."
 
Wright has also raised eyebrows for saying 9/11 was a case of "America's chickens coming home to roost" and that Zionism has an element of "white racism." In addition, he has accused the government of infecting black Americans with HIV.

New Jersey pastor Clenard Childress, founder of the website BlackGenocide.org, says Wright has a long history of spewing anti-American rhetoric and mocking anyone who disagrees with his radical views. "The hypocrisy of that is that he often talks about American policies that have killed innocent people, but yet he and Barack Obama endorse the abortion industry's agenda," he notes. "[The abortion industry] targets African-Americans and has killed far more than 9/11 or many of the other atrocities that he talks about."
 
Childress says if the mainstream demands more in-depth answers from Senator Obama (D-Illinois) regarding Wright, the pastor will likely resign from Obama's presidential campaign. The pastor believes the Illinois senator needs to do more than just say he does not always agree with Pastor Wright.
 
"[H]e needs to say [that] indeed he does not agree with the mockery of other Republicans and people who do not have his views [and that] he is not in agreement with the root cause of 9/11," Childress contends.
 
But according to Childress, the media may not push the issue. "There are many things that Barack Obama could do," he continues, "but as I stated, he'll wait to see [if the] mainstream media is going to give him a pass on this, like they have been doing for quite some time; or [if they will] demand answers and demand some type of explanation, which mainstream media has not done."
 
Wright, who has said Jesus was a black man who was killed by rich white people, has stated from his pulpit that Senator Hillary Clinton does not understand the struggles of African Americans because she has never been called the "n-word."

Obama's pastor denounces United States (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Election2008/Default.aspx?id=71349)


Title: Re: Obama's pastor denounces United States
Post by: Shammu on March 17, 2008, 11:29:40 AM

Perhaps he would like to denounce his American citizenship and move to some 3rd World Country if he is so unhappy and mistreated here? I would say, give him and his followers a one way ticket to any African Nation of their choosing.... (see my sigline) ;D ;D

The words coming out of his mouth are very different from the words Jesus would say. Jesus taught love, this man teaches hate. Sounds islamic, doesn't it.......



Title: Pope Benedict XVI denounces Iraq war
Post by: Shammu on March 17, 2008, 11:46:18 AM
Pope Issues Strong Appeal for Peace in Iraq

Sunday , March 16, 2008

VATICAN CITY  —
Pope Benedict XVI denounced the 5-year-old Iraqi war and issued one of his strongest appeals for peace in the country Sunday, days after the kidnapped Chaldean Catholic archbishop of Mosul was found dead.

"Enough with the slaughters. Enough with the violence. Enough with the hatred in Iraq!" Benedict said to applause at the end of Palm Sunday Mass in St. Peter's Square.

On Thursday, the body of Archbishop Paulos Faraj Rahho was found near the northern Iraqi city of Mosul, from where he had been abducted on Feb. 29. No one has claimed responsibility, but al-Qaida retains its last urban stronghold in the area.

Benedict has called Rahho's death an "inhuman act of violence" that offended human dignity.

On Sunday, Benedict praised Rahho for his loyalty to Christ and refusal to abandon his flock despite many threats and difficulties.

He recalled that Rahho's death came as the Catholic Church opened Holy Week, the most solemn week in the liturgical calendar, in which the faithful recall the suffering and death of Jesus Christ.

Benedict said Rahho's dedication to the Church and his death compelled him to "raise a strong and sorrowful cry" to denounce the violence in Iraq spawned by the war that he said had destroyed civilian life.

"At the same time, I make an appeal to the Iraqi people, who for the past five years have borne the consequences of a war that provoked the breakup of their civil and social life," Benedict said.

He urged them to raise their heads and reconstruct their life through "reconciliation, forgiveness, justice and coexistence among tribal, ethnic and religious groups."

The Vatican strongly opposed the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq. In its aftermath, Benedict has frequently criticized attacks against Iraqi Christians by Islamic extremists. Last year, he urged U.S. President George W. Bush to keep the safety of Iraqi Christians in mind.

Benedict is due to preside over a memorial service at the Vatican on Monday in honor of Rahho. Typically, the pope only presides over such services when a cardinal dies.

The pontiff's appeal for peace came at the end of his Palm Sunday Mass. Over the next week, Benedict will preside over the Good Friday re-enactment of Christ's crucifixion and death and the celebration of Christ's resurrection on Easter Sunday.

At the start of Mass, Benedict blessed palms and olive branches with holy water and then processed through St. Peter's Square, wearing intricate, red- and gold-brocaded vestments and clutching a woven palm frond.

In his homily, Benedict urged the faithful to follow God with the innocence and purity of a child's heart.

"To recognize God, we must abandon the pride that dazzles us, that seeks to push us away from God," he said. To find God, he said, "we must learn to see with a young heart, one which isn't blocked by prejudice and dazzled by interests."

Sunday also marked a lead-up celebration to the Catholic Church's annual World Youth Day, and young people were very much on hand during the open-air service on a blustery spring day. A few hundred carried massive palm fronds at the start of the procession through the square.

Benedict plans to attend World Youth Day itself in Sydney, Australia, in July.

Pope Issues Strong Appeal for Peace in Iraq (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,338276,00.html)


Title: Secret talks for churches in Saudi Arabia, says report
Post by: Shammu on March 17, 2008, 04:11:49 PM
Secret talks for churches in Saudi Arabia, says report

Vatican City, 17 March(AKI) - Secret negotiations are taking place between the Vatican and Saudi Arabia to allow Christian churches in the strictly Muslim country, reports the Italian daily, La Stampa.

The Vatican is negotiating with Saudi Arabia for "authorisation to build Catholic churches," says archbishop Mounged El-Hachem, papal nuncio of Kuwait, Qatar, Yemen, Bahrein and the United Arab Emirates.

According to La Stampa, the secret talks, favoured by Saudi King Abdullah, have been taking place for several weeks and are considered an unprecedented for the Catholic church.

King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia and Pope Benedict XVI (photo) pledged in November to work for peace and closer religious ties at a historic meeting at the Vatican in Rome.

It was the first official visit by a Saudi monarch to the Holy See and the meeting lasted for thirty minutes.

The Italian newspaper claimed on Monday that up to 900,000 Catholics live in Saudi Arabia, all of them expatriate workers.

"If we get official authorisation to build the first church, it will be an historic achievement, a clear step forward from a social, cultural and religious point of view," said Vatican spokesman Federico Lombardi, quoted in La Stampa.

It is forbidden to practise Christianity in public in Saudi Arabia and illegal to bring symbols from religions other than Islam into the country. Bibles and crucifixes must be left at the border.

The secret talks seem to have been taking place while Qatar's first Catholic Church was inaugurated in the area of Abu Hamour near the capital, Doha.

Rome on the other hand, has Europe's biggest mosque, inaugurated in 1995.

Vatican: Secret talks for churches in Saudi Arabia, says report (http://www.adnkronos.com/AKI/English/Religion/?id=1.0.1982104543)


Title: Saudi Scholar on Al-Aqsa TV: By Allah, We Won't Be Satisfied Even If All Jews ar
Post by: Shammu on March 17, 2008, 04:41:14 PM
Saudi Scholar on Al-Aqsa TV: By Allah, We Won't Be Satisfied Even If All Jews are Killed

March 13, 2008
Saudi Scholar Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi on Al-Aqsa TV: 50-60 People Perished in Jewish Holocaust; By Allah, We Will Not Be Satisfied Even If All Jews Are Killed

Saudi Scholar Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi: 50-60 People Perished in Jewish Holocaust. The Killing of All the Jews Will Not Be Satisfactory Compensation for the "Real Holocaust" in Gaza

Following are excerpts from a speech delivered by Dr. Walid Al-Rashudi, head of the Department of Islamic Studies at King Saud University, Saudi Arabia, which aired on Al-Aqsa TV on February 29, 2008.

Walid Al-Rashudi: One of the important things that we must tell people is that what is going on in Palestine today is a real holocaust. This is the real holocaust. A holocaust is not the burning of 50-60 Jews in Germany or Switzerland, but the Jews continue to call it the Holocaust. In case you don't know, let me tell you that more than 90% of the Muslims in the world do not know that the Jews receive reparations from Germany and Switzerland for the so-called Holocaust affair. We believe that there was indeed a holocaust, but how many died? 50-60 people? Afterwards, they used it to blackmail these two countries.

So what are we supposed to say in the face of the Gaza holocaust? What compensation will satisfy us? By Allah, we will not be satisfied even if all the Jews are killed.

Saudi Scholar on Al-Aqsa TV: By Allah, We Won't Be Satisfied Even If All Jews are Killed (http://www.memritv.org/clip/en/1711.htm)


Title: Re: Obama's pastor denounces United States
Post by: nChrist on March 17, 2008, 10:13:45 PM
Perhaps he would like to denounce his American citizenship and move to some 3rd World Country if he is so unhappy and mistreated here? I would say, give him and his followers a one way ticket to any African Nation of their choosing.... (see my sigline) ;D ;D

The words coming out of his mouth are very different from the words Jesus would say. Jesus taught love, this man teaches hate. Sounds islamic, doesn't it.......



Brother Bob,

I listened to parts of several speeches from this guy that he called sermons, and I couldn't believe it. YES - it did sound Islamic, and there wasn't a word said about GOD or the HOLY BIBLE. I couldn't believe that he was talking about any part of this country. Hinting that we make them take DOPE and COMMIT CRIMES because of the color of their skin is lunacy. Sooner or later, regardless of color or ethnicity, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. I'm a Heinz 57 variety of Scotch - Irish - Cherokee. Most of us do grow up and know there are good and bad consequences for good and bad actions. Most of my Black friends have grown up a long time ago.

I wonder if this guy thinks that he's actually helping Obama. Obama needs to grow up also.


Title: Agents Seize 411 Bottles of Rattlesnake-Infused Vodka in Texas Raid
Post by: Shammu on March 18, 2008, 09:58:27 PM
Agents Seize 411 Bottles of Rattlesnake-Infused Vodka in Texas Raid

Tuesday , March 18, 2008

Texas Alcoholic Beverage Commission officials were rattled last Thursday by the discovery of over 400 bottles of illegal booze, each containing a 10-inch rattlesnake in the bottle, the Fort Worth Star-Telegram reported.

After receiving a tip several weeks ago, TABC agents raided Bayou Bob’s Brazos River Rattlesnake Ranch in Palo Pinto County after the reptile-infused vodka was sold to undercover agents, the paper reported. 411 bottles of the serpent sauce were seized.

“In my 20 years with the TABC, I’ve never seen anything like it,” Sgt. Charlie Cloud told the Star-Telegram.

TABC officials told the Star-Telegram that they plan to file charges this week for the sale of alcohol without a permit and possession of alcohol with the intent to sell. Penalties for those charges include up to a year in the county jail and fines up to $1,000 upon conviction.

Infusing alcohol with snakes or scorpions is believed to possess aphrodisiac properties, TABC officials told the paper. The practice, in which alcohol is poured over the body of a snake or scorpion, is popular in Asian cultures.

Agents Seize 411 Bottles of Rattlesnake-Infused Vodka in Texas Raid (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,338900,00.html)
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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on March 19, 2008, 12:00:33 AM
 ;D   ;D   ;D    ROFL!

So that's why I had the driving URGE to SLITHER OFF INTO THE WOODS.


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Title: Extremists target aid groups in Pakistan
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 07:44:30 PM
Extremists target aid groups in Pakistan

By KATHY GANNON, Associated Press Writer Tue Mar 18, 2:19 PM ET

MANSEHRA, Pakistan - Long-haired gunmen burst into the white stone building and killed four charity workers helping earthquake victims, then wrecked the office with grenades and set it on fire. Police came, but did not intervene.

In a tactic reminiscent of neighboring Afghanistan, Islamic militants are attacking aid groups in the Pakistan's volatile northwest, and local authorities appear incapable — or unwilling — to stop them.

The threat has forced several foreign agencies to scale back assistance to survivors of the October 2005 earthquake that killed at least 78,000 people and left 3 million homeless — risking the region's recovery from the worst natural disaster in the country's history.

The Feb. 25 attack on employees of Plan International, a British-based charity that focuses on helping children, was the worst in a series of threats and assaults on aid workers in the northern mountains where Taliban-style militants have expanded their reach in the past year.

Nearly a month later, menacing letters are still being sent to aid organizations. Although all four victims in Mansehra were Pakistani men, Islamic extremists despise the aid groups because they employ women and work for women's rights.

Local officials in Mansehra, who spoke on condition they not be identified for fear of retaliation, said letters from extremists distributed March 13 and 14 also warned schools to make sure girls are covered from head to toe and to avoid coeducation.

The militants also may be trying to discredit Pakistan's central government, and to enforce a radical religious agenda in a conservative region where jihadist-linked groups were themselves a source of aid after the quake.

Police accuse a local militant, Mohiuddin Shakir, who goes by the alias Mujahid, of masterminding the attack last month on the aid office in Mansehra. He has not been arrested.

Shakir, a former member of an al-Qaida-linked group, has criminal charges against him in Pakistan dating back to 2002, including for murder, according to police records obtained by The Associated Press.

Shakir now leads a jihadist group called Lashkar-e-Ababeel, named after small birds that the Quran says threw stones to defeat an army of 60,000 warriors who sought to destroy Mecca in the 7th century.

Last summer, Shakir wrote a letter to newspapers warning international aid groups about hiring women and warning women to wear an all-encompassing veil.

Yet Abdul Ershad, an officer investigating the attack, said that as recently as late 2007, Shakir had a working arrangement with police in his hometown of Phulra not far from Mansehra. To advance his agenda, he would tell police about residents involved in "un-Islamic" activities — like men selling pornographic videos and socializing with women — and police would arrest them, Ershad said.

Brig. Waqas Iqbal Raja, the chief security official for the Earthquake Reconstruction and Rehabilitation Agency, acknowledged a growing presence of extremists in the quake zone, including some militants displaced by an army offensive against supporters of a pro-Taliban cleric in neighboring Swat district.

Tribal elders have promised to help protect aid workers, and Raja said he has advised the workers to keep a low profile and stay off the roads at night.

He could not explain why Shakir was still at large.

"I wouldn't want to comment why he is still free. But there were definitely some lapses in police procedure and protection," Raja said.

Distrustful residents did not alert police when six or seven militants with long hair and their faces hidden behind scarves descended in broad daylight on the Plan International compound. The militants ordered the security guard to leave.

Sajjad Mahmood, a clerk working next door, said police arrived after 30 minutes and just stood outside the gate while the assailants were inside. When the gunmen emerged, police did not try to stop them, he said.

"Everyone is scared," said Naeem Awan, whose nearby hair salon had its windows blown out by the force of grenades lobbed by the militants. "They can open fire and attack people and get away. How is it possible?"

Since the attack, aid organizations have withdrawn their female field workers. Authorities are asking them to move their offices into a gated community in Mansehra with its own police post.

Despite the additional security, officials of three international aid groups said they wanted to keep working but felt they could not rely on local police for protection. The officials requested anonymity because they did not want to risk problems by publicly criticizing Pakistani authorities.

Women employees say they fear for their safety.

"It was a real act of brutality and you feel very worried, and still there is no real arrangements from the police for security," said Aneela Tobassam, a Pakistani worker for U.S.-based Mercy Corps who provides vocational training to women. Even inside her office, Tobassam, an ethnic Pashtun, wears a large shawl covering her head.

"I don't feel safe outside right now, but I won't leave. I will stay here and I will do my work even if for now it is inside the office," she said.

The intimidation of aid groups has increased in recent months. They have received anonymous threats, and last October two attacks in nearby Battagram district forced a temporary suspension of relief operations.

There was a bombing outside the office of a local charity, Strengthening Participatory Organization, which wounded eight people. Attackers also sprayed the compound of CARE International with automatic gunfire, but no one was hurt.

Fear that militants are targeting foreigners and their organizations increased over the weekend when a bomb killed a Turkish woman at a restaurant popular with foreigners in Pakistan's capital, Islamabad. Twelve other people were wounded, including four Americans.

The quake-hit region, next to Pakistan's part of disputed Kashmir, has long been a haven for militant groups with links to the Pakistani military and intelligence service. The groups have waged a 20-year insurgency in India's portion of Kashmir, a predominantly Muslim region.

The extremist-linked group Jamaat-e-Dawa, a successor to the banned Lashkar-e-Tayyaba, was among the first to help quake victims after the disaster and worked closely with the Pakistan military. It and banned groups like Harakat-ul-Mujahedeen set up medical camps alongside an extensive, and widely welcomed, international relief effort.

Graham Strong, country director for U.S.-based World Vision, which heads an umbrella group of 20 international aid organizations operating in Pakistan, voiced concern that aid workers here will face the same problem as in Afghanistan.

During nearly four years working there, Strong saw the ability of charities to work dwindle due to lawlessness, government incompetence and Taliban assaults that police failed to stop.

"I hope we are not going down the same road here," Strong said in Islamabad. "We are generally concerned that things might be changing."

Extremists target aid groups in Pakistan (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080318/ap_on_re_as/pakistan_charities_under_fire;_ylt=AqxfGmO01jEJhliDlM0_GdSs0NUE)


Title: Riots in Athens as millions strike
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 07:52:30 PM
Riots in Athens as millions strike
Wed March 19, 2008

ATHENS, Greece (AP) -- Riot police fired tear gas at demonstrators throwing rocks and firebombs in central Athens during a nationwide general strike Wednesday by millions of Greeks protesting government pension reforms.

An estimated 100,000 people marched in downtown Athens, and when the demonstration ended, groups of anarchists fought running battles with riot police in the capital. Clouds of tear gas hung over Exarhia Square and cafe customers scrambled for cover.

Clashes had broken out during the march when a group of demonstrators threw two or three fire bombs and rocks at riot police outside Parliament, and police responded with tear gas.

About 8,000 people also marched in the northern city of Thessaloniki, where protesters set fire to two banks and three automatic teller machines. No injuries were immediately reported in either Athens or Thessaloniki.

Wednesday's walkout, like two other general strikes since December, shut down public services and forced the cancellation of dozens of flights.

"We're marching for a socially just pension system," Socialist opposition leader and former Foreign Minister George Papandreou told AP Television News earlier as he marched through downtown Athens.

He accused the government of eroding "the most basic of pension rights," particularly for women, while offering tax cuts for the rich and benefits for large corporations.

"It's unacceptable. We're fighting and we hope we can win this fight for a much better and much safer Greece," he said.

Opinion polls show most Greeks oppose reforms to the fractured and debt-ridden pension system that would unify pension and health funds, raise the effective retirement age for women and working mothers, and create both incentives and disincentives to keep employees working longer.

"No to the continued robbing of our pension funds and rights," read a banner carried by protesters in Athens. "We will not back down," read another.

Hospital doctors, air traffic controllers, teachers, port workers, hotel employees and gas station workers joined others already striking this week over the fiercely contested reforms.

Thousands of Greek workers walked out Tuesday when a 24-hour strike by rail workers also brought subway and train transport in Athens to a standstill. Banks shut down and most courts were empty because of a weeklong lawyers' strike.

Mounds of trash continued to pile up on city streets Wednesday because of a garbage collectors' strike, while strikes by employees at the main power company have caused rolling blackouts for the past two weeks.

Since winning re-election in September, the government has pushed to change the pension system, warning that it could collapse in a few years' time if it is not reformed.

Yiannis Panagopoulos, head of one of the two main labor unions, GSEE, said unions would continue to resist the changes, even if they are voted into law Thursday.

"The battle doesn't stop with the vote on the legislation," he said Tuesday. "The legislation needs to be implemented when it becomes law. And there resistance will reach its climax."

 Riots in Athens as millions strike (http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe/03/19/greece.strikes.ap/index.html?eref=rss_world)


Title: California leads the way on sex education
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 07:54:18 PM
California leads the way on sex education

Wednesday, March 19, 2008

It has happened again. California has led the way. This time our neighbor to the south has adopted its first ever standard for what students should be learning about sex education.

The announcement comes a few days after a head-turning study on American teenagers and sexually-transmitted diseases. The recently released federal study discovered that one in four teenage girls has at least one sexually transmitted disease (STD).

Subsequently, a whole lot of parents are asking when children should learn about sex education. How young, many ask, is too young? The California State Board of Education had decided that students should start in fifth grade to learn about the risk of sexually transmitted diseases.

It's reported that four years ago, California state legislators passed a law requiring sex education to be "medically accurate, objective and respectful of gay and lesbian youth." Those who advocated for the new ruling not only want relevant information but to teach the state's six million plus students the skills and procedures requisite to avoiding unhealthy and sometimes life-threatening diseases at present and often later in life.

Fifth graders will learn about STDs while middle school teachers will communicate education about rape and sexual assault. High school curricula will include information about condoms and the morning-after pill.

Absolutely predictable, the conservative nonprofit Campaign for Children and Families immediately began criticizing the new sex education curricula. There as elsewhere, they oppose abortion and same sex marriage and, in this context, encourage abstinence as the best protection against sexual disease and unwanted pregnancy. However, common sense and knowledge of human nature having prevailed some time ago, California state law already prohibits abstinence-only sex education.

Taking this action was apparently no easy decision for the California State Board of Education as it took it two years to discuss and agree on the new curricula. Meanwhile, it's unclear when the fifth grade lessons on STDs will start.

Presumably, teachers will need training and new materials must be developed. When underway, the sex education subject matter will be integrated into current health classes that also include class time devoted to the subjects of drugs and violence. Would it not be grand if the Oregon Board of Education and Superintendent of Public Instruction took a clue from this progressive approach in California to consider a more modern and effective approach to sex education here!

California leads the way on sex education (http://www.statesmanjournal.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080319/BLOGS13/80319008/1046/OPINION&template=printart)


Title: Re: California leads the way on sex education
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 07:56:40 PM

And the public schools wonder, why so many kids are home schooled....(http://bestsmileys.com/reading/1.gif)


Title: Easter Threats Against Christians in Indonesia Reported
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 08:01:28 PM
Easter Threats Against Christians in Indonesia Reported
Patrick Goodenough
International Editor
(CNSNews.com) - Easter will be "a time of great anxiety" for Christians in Indonesia, where radical Islamist have reportedly threatened to attack Christian targets.

The Barnabas Fund, a charity working among Christians in Islamic countries, cited "credible reports" of threats against Christians by Jemaah Islamiah (JI), the terrorist network blamed for a number of bombings in Indonesia in recent years.

"Jemaah Islamiah is dedicated to creating a single Islamic state throughout Southeast Asia under shari'a law," the organization said in a dispatch on Tuesday. "It considers non-Muslims as legitimate targets and is active throughout the region."

Threats linked to important Christian observances are not unusual in Indonesia. In 2000, 19 people were killed in a series of coordinated Christmas Eve church bombings blamed on JI, a group with suspected links to al-Qaeda.

The bombings came at a time of deadly Muslim-Christian clashes in Maluku and Central Sulawesi provinces, northeast of Indonesia's main island of Java. Thousands died in the violence between 1999 and 2002.

Peace accords later were signed in the two affected provinces, although sporadic attacks have occurred since then. In 2005, three Christian schoolgirls in Sulawesi were beheaded by killers -- some linked by police to JI -- who left one of the severed heads in a bag at the door of a nearby church, with a note threatening to kill 100 more young Christians.

Elsewhere in the archipelago, Islamist attacks, threats or pressure on local authorities have forced the closure of scores of churches in recent years.

JI's most high-profile actions were not aimed at Indonesian Christians, however. Its cells were responsible for four major attacks between 2002 and 2005, including two targeting tourists on the resort island of Bali, one at the Australian Embassy in Jakarta and one at an international hotel in the capital. Together they cost more than 250 lives.

Since then the network has sustained heavy losses, including the arrest of key figures. Some leaders are still at large, however, including one who escaped from Singaporean custody late last month and remains the target of a massive manhunt.

Prof. Zachary Abuza, a specialist on South-East Asia terror networks, said Wednesday reports of JI threats against Indonesian Christians this Easter did not surprise him.

"Sectarian violence was JI's bread and butter for years before they engaged in terrorist operations in Bali in October 2002," he said.

Given the security force crackdown after the bombings, many JI members had argued that attacks on Western venues were counterproductive - although not necessarily morally wrong - and "have advocated a return to the sectarian bloodletting that they engaged in" in Maluku and Central Sulawesi.

With setbacks like the arrest of top leaders and seizure of explosives during raids of JI safe houses last year, "a return to sectarian violence makes sense," said Abuza, professor of political science at Simmons College in Boston.

"They create a pool of young indoctrinated recruits, who have fought in defense of their religion, and reinforces their Manichean world view," he said. "Moreover Western governments put less pressure on the Indonesian government to react [than in the case of high-profile attacks against foreigners]."

Sidney Jones, a Southeast Asia-based senior advisor at the International Crisis Group, said Wednesday she had heard nothing to suggest planned attacks linked to Easter - or that JI was capable of mounting one if it wanted to do so.

"But there are some splinter groups here that have long seen local Christians as the enemy," she said.

Jones said local "anti-apostasy" groups had carried out attacks in places where local evangelical groups had been trying to convert Muslims, or where Christians were meeting in homes to sidestep regulations requiring community consent to build churches.

Those attacks were mostly against property rather than individuals, although one splinter group tried to murder a convert priest in October 2006, she said.

Attempts to reach the Indonesian Council of Churches for comment were unsuccessful.

The Australian government is warning its citizens of a "very high threat of terrorist attack" in Indonesia.

"We assess terrorists are continuing active planning of attacks," the Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade said in an advisory. "These attacks could take place at any time and could be imminent."

The department said Jakarta and Bali may be targeted, and strongly advised against all travel to Maluku and Central Sulawesi, "due to the unstable security situation and risk of terrorist attack." Foreigners could be directly targeted, or could be caught up in violence aimed at others, it said, noting that churches were among the potential targets.

More than 90 of those killed in attacks attributed to JI since 2002 were Australians.

Britain's Foreign Office also regards the threat of terrorism in Indonesia to be "high," warns against all travel to Maluku and Central Sulawesi, and says periods like Easter and Christmas are "a time of heightened tensions."

Easter Threats Against Christians in Indonesia Reported (http://www.crosswalk.com/news/11571123/)


Title: Oklahoma lawmaker threatened by 'gays'
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 08:41:17 PM
Oklahoma lawmaker threatened by 'gays'
Police investigate after legislator badgered with 30,000 e-mails
Posted: March 19, 2008
11:12 pm Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

Oklahoma police have begun investigating threats e-mailed to a legislator who discussed the homosexual agenda at a meeting of fellow Republicans.

State Rep. Sally Kern's comments were taped secretly and posted in a YouTube production prepared by the Victory Fund, an ardently pro-homosexual lobby that by its own admission "provides strategic, technical and financial support" to homosexual politicians.

The video pieced togther audio of Kern's comments with slides of statements condemning her speech as well as photographs of various individuals holding "I heard that" signs.

"Rep. Kern expressed her concern that the homosexual agenda was destroying our nation and that young children were being indoctrinated into believing that the homosexual 'lifestyle' is normal," said a statement released by the Thomas More Law Center, which has agreed to represent Kern and investigate whether legal action is advisable after she was flooded with more than 30,000 e-mails, many of them vulgar, abusive and threatening.

"Her comments caused some of the nation's largest homosexual groups to target her for political annihilation," the Thomas More statement said.

The organization said that beside the more than 30,000 vulgar and abusive e-mails, "her life has been threatened, her son falsely accused of being a homosexual, her financial supporters contacted and asked to no longer support her, and a leading homosexual activist entered her husband's church last Sunday and took notes on her husband's sermon."

"As a precaution, a state trooper walks by her side when she enters the State Capitol," the firm said.

"Rep. Kern will not back down, regardless of the attempted hate-mongering intimidation by these national homosexual advocacy groups," said Richard Thompson, president and chief counsel of the Thomas More Law Center. "Their actions are right out of a playbook developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s to manipulate and intimidate the majority of Americans into accepting the normalcy of the homosexual lifestyle."

He said his firm will represent Kern, whom he described as "a courageous Christian woman."

"Radical homosexual groups are attempting to curtail Rep. Kern's constitutional rights to free speech and use that speech as a platform to push for anti-Christian 'hate crimes' laws," Thompson said. "In effect, their goal is to criminalize Christians and Christian beliefs."

WND has reported on multiple attempts in Congress to ram through a "hate crimes" plan that would target those who follow biblical teachings that condemn homosexual behavior. Similar laws already have been imposed in Canada, where people have been charged with the crime of criticizing homosexuality.

"Her comments represent the view of a majority of Americans," Thompson said. "All you need to do is look at all of the states that have overwhelmingly adopted constitutional amendments or statutes defending traditional marriages from the homosexual agenda. Christians believe that homosexual acts are acts of grave depravity, contrary to the natural law and under no circumstances can they be approved.

"However, Christians also believe one must love the sinner but hate the sin," he said.

Victory Fund had condemned what Kern said as "evil."

"Your speech can lead to the murders of more young people," the homosexual lobby warned, connecting her stated views with an advocacy for violence.

"The point of the Victory Fund's releasing your speech was to draw attention to the fact that even elected leaders like you are saying some nasty and potentially dangerous things about your fellow citizens," the organization's Chuck Wolfe wrote.

The Victory Fund's work actually fulfilled a prophecy Kern included when she make the remarks.

"The very fact I'm talking to you like this today puts me in jeopardy," she told the assembly of GOP party members. "I'm not gay-bashing" but just pointing out the facts of the homosexual lifestyle.

"This is a radical element and they want us to accept their lifestyle regardless," Kern told WND.

"In my opinion, this isn't about me, it is about the freedom of Americans to exercise their freedom of speech. [Homosexuals] want to silence us. They want to speak up, but they don't anyone who disagrees with them to speak up. It's about the criminalization of Christianity."

She told WND she's holding up "rather well" under the onslaught the campaign against her has produced.

"I have the prayers of the people in my state and cards and e-mails from people all over the country who are supporting me," she said. "I haven't lost any sleep over this."

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Title: Re: Oklahoma lawmaker threatened by 'gays'
Post by: Shammu on March 20, 2008, 08:42:06 PM
She said the state police investigation actually was launched by another member of the Oklahoma legislature who saw some of the threats contained in e-mails and called authorities.

She was told the investigation was continuing.

"I stand by my statements. Everything I said I can verify. It is a deadly lifestyle," Kern said.

Homosexuals are imposing an agenda on schools and businesses, she asserted.

"I do think because they are so destructive to the basic moral fiber of our country they are more dangerous than radical Islamic terrorists," Kern said.

Her son, Jesse, who had been identified by homosexual advocates as being "gay," issued a statement that he was not, but other impacts of the hate-filled e-mails were not so easily dismissed, according to Thompson.

He told WND the attack – calling supporters to condemn Kern, the flood of e-mails, the accusations of "hate," and the like – all are part of the routine for homosexual advocates.

"What they attempt to do is an old military strategy. They are far outnumbered by Americans who believe homosexual conduct is immoral and not normal and violates the natural law. The vast majority of Americans believe that," Thompson said.

"It's called in the military a concentration of forces. At any given time they can mobilize 27,000 e-mails," he said.

That makes the target feel alone and browbeaten.

"It's important for Christians and those who believe the homosexual lifestyle is wrong and not normal, and who don't want their children to be indoctrinated in that, to speak out and stand with her," he said.

"Gays," Thompson said, "are out to destroy her political career and send a message to other politicians, 'You'd better not take on homosexuality.'"

In chapter one of his best-selling book "The Marketing of Evil," WND Managing Editor David Kupelian exposes the powerful marketing strategies used by the "gay rights" movement to "sell" Americans on homosexuality as a healthy alternative lifestyle. One key tactic for accomplishing this is called "jamming."

"Jamming is pure intimidation," said Kupelian. "And what homosexual activists are doing right now to Sally Kern is a grotesque case of jamming. Basically, they're trying to silence her by threatening, intimidating, harassing and frightening her until she can't take any more abuse. No dialogue, no debate – just crush her. That's their game. It's despicable, and utterly un-American."

Thompson noted:

    * In one Massachusetts school district, without informing parents, kindergarten and first grade students were read the story "King and King" about two princes who fall in love and marry. The last page of the book – undoubtedly shown to the children – ends with a picture of the two kings kissing. When outraged parents found out, they sued the school district. Incredibly ─ but not surprisingly ─ the 1st Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the teacher’s right to read the book saying, "Public schools are not obliged to shield students from ideas which potentially are religiously offensive."

    * A 24-page pro-homosexual booklet is set to be distributed to all 16,000 school districts in the nation. The booklet produced by the National Education Association and the American Psychological Association falsely tells students that homosexuality is a "normal expression of human sexuality."

    * Every year, homosexual rights groups, with the blessing of school officials, sponsor a "Day of Silence" when students and some teachers in schools across the nation remain silent ─ with tape across their mouths ─ throughout the school day. This year it's on April 25. The stated purpose is to make others aware of discrimination against homosexuals. In reality, it is a means of propagandizing and pressuring students to regard homosexual, bisexual and transgender behavior as normal.

    * In the Montgomery County, Md., School district, eighth and tenth graders are taught that homosexuality is innate─ they're born that way. As if to underscore the point, students are shown a film instructing them on how to use condoms in anal and oral sex.

In 2004, Oklahoma voters passed a state constitutional amendment defining marriage as consisting only of the union of one man and one woman by 76 percent. Of the 28 states where such a plan has been proposed, voters in 27 have approved it.

Kern said, "They are going after our young children, as young as two years of age, to try to teach them that the homosexual lifestyle is an acceptable lifestyle.:"

WND previously reported curriculum for California schools, where making only positive statements about homosexuality now is allowed by law, included recommendations for children as young as 2 years old.

A list of school resources, sponsored by a homosexual-advocacy group called Safe Schools Coalition, suggested 2-year-olds could read "Felicia's Favorite Story," which tells how a girl was "adopted by her two mothers."

Kern also mentioned the health effects of the homosexual lifestyle, and WND has reported how a new drug-resistant superbug infection has been linked specifically to homosexual behavior.


Title: RFID tech turned into spy chips for clandestine surveillance
Post by: Shammu on March 24, 2008, 03:56:10 PM

RFID tech turned into spy chips for clandestine surveillance
Sharon Gaudin
 

March 20, 2008 (Computerworld) An employee looking to steal confidential information from his employer sneaks into what should be a secure back room after hours. He pulls charts and files from a top-level financial meeting and slides them into his briefcase before heading back out.

What the insider doesn't know is that his shoes picked up hundreds of tiny radio frequency identification (RFID) chips that had been scattered across the floor. As he passes by an RFID reader near the front door of his office building, security will be alerted that he had accessed a secure area. The evidence is all over the soles of his shoes.

Sound a little like a scene from a James Bond movie? It's not.

Nox Defense, an arm of SimplyRFID Inc., said it has created an invisible perimeter-defense system designed to track things and people in real time -- all without their knowledge. The system that is made up of several technological pieces -- RFID chips the size of grains of sand and an RFID and video camera surveillance system.

"The key to an effective surveillance system is intelligence in the equipment itself," said Carl Brown, president of Nox Defense. "It does no good to install a thousand video cameras if a thousand people have to watch them all day. ... Everybody is doing surveillance nowadays everywhere. They just don't have a setup that tells them what is important video to look at. RFID technology will tell you when something was moved, where it was moved, and then you can check the corresponding video."

Brown explained that the RFID chips, or spy chips, are perfect for what he calls clandestine surveillance. The RFID readers can be hidden in an office building or warehouse, and the RFID tags can be placed on company products or property -- even on employee name tags or ID badges. Thieves, intruders and even personnel see nothing of the tracking system.

If an employee in the warehouse walks off with a plasma TV or loads seven instead of five computers into the delivery truck, it can be tracked with the RFID technology. And since the RFID chips will tell security what time the equipment was moved, the company can check the digital video archives for that time and that section of the warehouse.

The Nox RFID readers and the digital video cameras are all tied into software that tracks the data feeds and allows security to quickly call up, for instance, all the video shot that day of a particular employee or of the video taken of the area where certain products are stored, explained Brown. The software creates data files of the RFID and video data.

"RFID is perfect for that because it's very inexpensive," said Brown. "RFID tags right now are under 20 cents a tag for passive tags. The technology is cheap enough that you can tag lots and lots of items for a fairly low cost. If you tried to watch every person, you couldn't. But with RFID, you can keep an eye on every single item as it moves through the building -- where it went, when it went there and who was moving it. We've got the tag, we know where it is, and there's the video of the person doing it."

The RFID Dust that Nox Defense also sells is actually made up of tiny RFID chips -- each about the size of a grain of sand, according to Brown. They can be scattered on a floor, so when someone walks through a room, entryway or warehouse, the tags will stick to their shoes or pants cuffs. When they walk past an RFID reader, it will be able to tell where they've been.

"We use it for positive ID. I could have a reader at the exit to tell where you've been in my building," said Brown. "Imagine you're working [with the government] in a drug lord's house in Columbia. You sprinkle it on the floor boards. It gets on their shoes. When they come through customs, there could be RFID readers on the floor mats. It would show that you had been in this drug lord's house. With this, you can figure out which place they visited and what RFID dust stuck to their shoes. It creates data points for you to make decisions. "

Brown also said that someone from airport security could drop a tiny RFID tag into someone's bag or attach it to the bag. "I can't carry around something really obvious to mark the bag, but I can drop a tiny tag into the bag and then we'll be able to see where it goes," he added. "If I'm a CIA guy operating in Columbia, and I put a tag in a bag and it ends up in New York, that information might be useful to me."

He noted that the FBI is one of his company's dozen or so customers. The FBI did not return calls to comment on whether or not it is using the technology or how it might be using it.

When asked about privacy issues or someone using the surveillance technology for malicious intent, Brown said that isn't a concern.

"We're all pretty trackable to begin with. Anyone who has a cell phone can be tracked. If you have a cell, you're giving off a signal at all times," he added. "The thing about it is if you're living a clean life, there's nothing this stuff is really going to do to you. If you're not doing anything illegal, this isn't going to catch you. Is RFID going to catch you stealing? Absolutely it will."

RFID tech turned into spy chips for clandestine surveillance (http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?command=viewArticleBasic&taxonomyId=13&articleId=9070358&intsrc=hm_topic)


Title: Late-Term Abortionist Admits to Aborting 1 Day Before Delivery
Post by: Shammu on March 24, 2008, 03:58:05 PM

Late-Term Abortionist Admits to Aborting 1 Day Before Delivery
By
Lawrence Jones
Christian Post Reporter
Sat, Mar. 22 2008 05:41 AM ET

George Tiller, who currently faces 19 criminal charges for performing illegal late-term abortions in Kansas, was caught on hidden tape admitting that he has performed abortions as close as one day before the mother's delivery date.

Students for Life of America, a pro-life student group, recently released a video on YouTube with footage of Tiller's comments during and after the Feminist Majority Foundation's annual Women's Leadership Conference held Mar. 9 at the National Education Association in Washington D.C.

The video shows Tiller presenting graphic slide images of fetuses that were aborted for their fetal abnormalities.

"What is most disturbing about this video is the point when Dr. Tiller shows footage of children he has aborted," SFLA director Kristan Hawkins, who taped the video with a colleague, told LifeNews.com.

"One had an extra arm: could not that child have survived and received corrective surgery? Was violently killing the child the only way to go?" she asked.

The crowd at the NEA event applauded Tiller's presentation and Kathy Spillar, vice president of Feminist Majority Foundation, even commended the abortion practitioner's acts as "courageous."

Following the event, Hawkins and another SFLA member questioned Tiller about the 2002 Born Alive Infants Protection Act, a federal bill signed into law that protects born children from murder and illegalizes infanticide.

He said it was "reprehensible" for a doctor performing an abortion to let the baby accidentally slip out alive.

"If the baby is born alive, that is sloppy medicine," Tiller said in the video.

He also expressed objections to the legislation, saying, "Let's say you have 15 or 16, you had one slip out with a heartbeat; that is not a viable fetus, but that is born alive or has a heartbeat. Then you have to take that non-viable fetus and rush it directly to the hospital against the woman's wishes."

Last year, Kansas Attorney General Paul Morrison filed 19 criminal charges against Tiller for failing to get the permission of a second doctor who was financially or legally independent of him before carrying out late-term abortion procedures. Morrison had also dismissed 30 more serious criminal charges against the abortionist filed by the former attorney general before he left office.

If convicted under Morrison's charges, Tiller will face up to a year in jail and a $2,500 fine for each of the 19 charges. Furthermore, Tiller’s medical license to practice could be suspended or revoked.

The notorious Kansas abortionist has been known nationwide for offering easy late-term abortions, which breaks Kansas laws of only providing abortions if there is a reasonable medical concern.

He has been accused several times of performing illegal late-term abortions and offering only vague reasons why the operation is necessary.

The Kansas Supreme Court is slated to hear arguments on three subpoenas for patient records by the grand jury investigating Tiller's abortion clinic on Apr. 8.

Late-Term Abortionist Admits to Aborting 1 Day Before Delivery (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080322/31619_Late-Term_Abortionist_Admits_to_Aborting_1_Day_Before_Delivery.htm)


Title: Re: Late-Term Abortionist Admits to Aborting 1 Day Before Delivery
Post by: Shammu on March 24, 2008, 04:02:47 PM

That's not an abortion, that's pre-meditated murder!!

I say give him one count of murder for every baby aborted and keep him locked up for the rest of his life. As much as I would like to see this man come to know Christ, he still must pay the penalties for his crimes.


Title: Re: Late-Term Abortionist Admits to Aborting 1 Day Before Delivery
Post by: nChrist on March 24, 2008, 04:18:06 PM
That's not an abortion, that's pre-meditated murder!!

I say give him one count of murder for every baby aborted and keep him locked up for the rest of his life. As much as I would like to see this man come to know Christ, he still must pay the penalties for his crimes.

Brother, this man is a cruel and heartless murderer. Whatever his penalty is, it will be much less than what he deserves. I would also like to see him come to CHRIST, but I would also like to see him made an example for other abortion butchers who call themselves doctors.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on March 24, 2008, 05:23:36 PM
Canada orders ministry by Christians shut down
WorldNetDaily.com
March 21, 2008
Bob Unruh

The Canadian government has ordered a Christian ministry that teaches doctrine and the differences between Christians and cults shut down because its reference materials were "critical" of the beliefs of those who are not Christian, WND has learned.

So what used to be called MacGregor Ministries with offerings in how to recognize and eliminate "faulty fads" in Christian churches has been re-created in the United States, and now operates under the name MM Outreach Media Ministries.

Lorri MacGregor, who has dedicated her life to explaining the straight and narrow of Christian beliefs since she found her way out of the Jehovah's Witness system years ago, told WND Canada's version of a "hate crimes" law prevented their work from continuing as it had for nearly 30 years.

"Canada is no longer a Christian nation," she said. "And watch out America!"

The issue of the ministry's charities license in Canada, allowing it to operate as a ministry, came up during a routine audit of the ministry's finances, which was uneventful.

"The auditor that originally looked at our books told us her supervisor had said she wanted us shut down," Mrs. MacGregor told WND. "Canada has very strong hate laws."

She said the ministry points out the differences between Christianity and various cult beliefs, but also with respect, and never as a proponent. She said the work always is in response to a question or issue.

"When a group such as Jehovah's Witnesses said of our doctrine we're worshipping a freakish three-headed God (the Trinity), we should be able to respond," she said. "We say, 'Here's the doctrine of the Trinity and here is where it is in the Scripture.'"


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on March 24, 2008, 05:29:05 PM

And next comes Bible burnings.

I wonder if any of these governmental guardians of 'hate' ever investigate what is produced by islamic organizations in Canada? These things can really frustrate believers, and that is quite understandable. However, at the same time, these things point to the reality of the nearness of the Rapture.

Muslims get catered to because the governments are too afraid that they'll go off on one of their infamous rioting and burning everything in sight sprees to say anything negative about islam. We are truly living in the days of right being seen as wrong and wrong being seen as right. And this kind of "hate" speech baloney is already spreading to certain states here in the U.S. It just isn't sanctioned by the government YET!!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Maryjane on March 25, 2008, 04:28:21 PM
It's comforting to know the blood of Jesus still flows and gives hope to a dying world...How I pray that those who carry the name of Jesus will illuminate those around them to draw them to our Savoir and Lord.  These days are so filled with wickedness. Yet..God gives grace to withstand what comes in these days to stand firm and to not forget the greater calling to proclaim the gospel. I heard on the radio a preacher say the Lord is a black man..but can he proclaim Lord and Master?. So many who use God's Word for earthly gain when it is best to have one minute of the Lord's favor than a lifetime of possession ill gained.

I often think about the way our society has changed but God's Word is everlasting and His word tells us there is hope in Jesus..The One who was beaten, crucified who died a cruel death but He is alive and we are alive in Christ no matter what the world throws or reacts for sin comes in two forms.. It can be beautiful and ugly. The very Spirit the Lord breathed into us gives us guidance and it is from the Word of God that lets us know..WE WON


Title: Couple Break Into Church To Have Sex
Post by: Shammu on March 25, 2008, 10:00:45 PM
Couple Break Into Church To Have Sex

SANDERSON, Fla. -- Deputies in Baker County, Florida arrested a couple last week inside a church.

After getting a call of a suspicious person near the church, deputies said a trail of undergarments led them to the altar inside, where they found Crystal Ann Rowland.
 
Rowland told them where they could find Matthew Thomas Pearce -- under the church.

The pair admitted they broke in so they could have sex on the altar.

Pearce told investigators Rowland wanted a "spiritual and sexual experience."

The pair are still being held in the Baker County Jail on a number of charges.

Couple Break Into Church To Have Sex (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/3/21/police_couple_break_into_church_to_have_sex.html)


Title: Lawmaker's Comments on Homosexuality Spark Hate Campaign, Death Threats
Post by: Shammu on March 29, 2008, 02:39:06 PM
Lawmaker's Comments on Homosexuality Spark Hate Campaign, Death Threats
By Pete Winn
CNSNews.com Senior Staff Writer
March 28, 2008

(CNSNews.com) - An audio clip posted on YouTube earlier this month is responsible for a hate-filled campaign of threats and harassment being directed at an Oklahoma state lawmaker, her family and her Christian faith.

Rep. Sally Kern (R-Oklahoma City) said the clip of a talk she gave on the homosexual political agenda has been accessed "probably a million times" since homosexual activists posted it on the popular online video gallery. It has prompted an outpouring of hatred against her, she told Cybercast News Service.

"We have received close to 30,000 e-mails," Kern said. "When this first hit YouTube, the vast majority of the e-mails were hate mail - vile, vulgar, profane."

A former educator who chairs the Social Services Committee in the Oklahoma House, Kern said the hateful and threatening e-mail and phone calls have given her an education about the vitriolic nature of those who support the homosexual agenda.

"People have called me the most horrible names, saying that they hoped I would die, and worse," she said. "They've used words I've never heard before."

There have also been death threats, which Kern said have been turned over to the Oklahoma Bureau of Investigation.

"They haven't just attacked me - they've attacked my family, they attacked the Bible, they've attacked Christianity as being the reason for all the evils in the world," said Kern, who is the wife of a Baptist preacher. "They said the Bible was an archaic book that was no longer relevant."

In the audio clip on YouTube, which was posted March 7 by the Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund, Kern can be heard comparing homosexual activism's effect on the United States to cancer's effect on the human body, saying: "I honestly think it's the biggest threat that our nation has, even more so than terrorism or Islam, which I think is a big threat."

The Oklahoma City Republican said her talk, which was delivered at a Republican luncheon, was secretly taped by someone and edited to make her sound - in her words - "wild-eyed."

"They made it sound like I was spewing hate and talking in one long rant against homosexuals," Kern told Cybercast News Service. "I would never do that. I have never done that."

Kern said she was not talking about homosexuals as individuals, as the clip makes it appear.

"I was dealing with their radical agenda," she said. "I was talking about the political homosexual agenda that is funding homosexual and pro-homosexual candidates to run against conservatives."

Kern said she was especially trying to publicize the fact that, in 2006, homosexual activists such as billionaire Tim Gill targeted 70 conservatives running for office and defeated 50 of them.

Homosexual activists are making hay over the clip.

The Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund (GLVF), a Washington, D.C.-based political action committee, is using the clip as the centerpiece of a fundraising campaign.

In a letter that accompanies the group's solicitation, GLVF Chairman Chuck Wolfe links Kern's comments to the murder of Matthew Shepard, the openly homosexual University of Wyoming student killed in 1998.

"Comparing gays and lesbians to cancer and terrorism and saying they are the 'biggest threat to America' gives license to others to treat us that way, especially given the leadership position you hold in your community," Wolfe wrote.

Wolfe's group, which backs homosexual and pro-homosexual candidates, has targeted Kern for defeat. Calls to the GLVF were not returned by press time.

Homosexual hate campaign?

The backlash against Kern has become widespread. In the media, Kern's name is being used as an epithet. Bloggers are calling her "bigot" and "hate-monger."

For instance, under the headline, "Sally Kern is Satan's Spawn," writer Emily Michels wrote of Kern in the Michigan Daily newspaper's blog, The Podium, on March 12: "For lack of better words, the woman is a close-minded, discriminatory, hateful b*tch."

"The people of Oklahoma should be planning a militaristic coups (sic)," the University of Michigan journalist wrote. "Instead of realizing that she is a complete idiot who thrives off of destroying any moral fabric left in society, this woman (I am actually so upset I can barely grasp the fact that she is human) defended herself, refusing to apologize."

Michels added: "Our nation would be stronger and more accepting if people like Sally Kern were out of office and forced to live underground. May all of Sally Kern's babies be gay."

Talk show host Ellen DeGeneres, an open lesbian, has used her television program to take Kern to task and tried to phone Kern during the broadcast. Comedienne Margaret Cho has called the lawmaker's comments "appalling."

Even Oklahoma Gov. Brad Henry denounced Kern, saying that Oklahomans should be "tolerant."

Conservative groups, meanwhile, say the backlash against Kern's so-called hatred is itself a "hate-filled intimidation campaign" that has been ginned up to try to silence any opposition to the "gay agenda."

Peter LaBarbera of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality accused Kern's attackers of being "terrorists."

"They are trying to demonize her - and it is all about destroying her and making her an example to intimidate other politicians," LaBarbera told Cybercast News Service.

LaBarbera defends Kern's assertion that homosexual activism has even tried to reach into kindergarten and nurseries.

Attorney Richard Thompson of the Thomas More Law Center, meanwhile, has volunteered to represent Kern in the legal arena, if need be, against what he calls homosexual "smear" tactics.

"Their actions are right out of a play-book developed by radical homosexual activists in the 1980s to manipulate and intimidate the majority of Americans into accepting the normalcy of the homosexual lifestyle," Thompson said.

Kern, meanwhile, said she stands by her comments that the homosexual agenda is "dangerous" to society in the same way cancer is dangerous to the human body.

"By dangerous, I mean (it's) an unhealthy lifestyle," she said. "It's dangerous to those people who are in it. Statistics prove that they do have shorter life-spans and have more health problems."

But the homosexual agenda itself is dangerous, she said, because activists are targeting their messages to America's children.

"The homosexual agenda is dangerous because they want to destroy the basic moral fiber of this nation, which is traditional marriage and the traditional family," she said.

LaBarbera couldn't agree more.

"Gay activists are trying to reach younger and younger children with their message," LaBarbera said. "It's to the point where they are propagandizing toddlers in the gay agenda. We've known this for years.

"Remember 'Daddy's Roommate?' The book that said that homosexuality is just one more type of love? How can that be an appropriate message for toddlers, who don't even know what sex is yet?"

Kern said gay activists and sympathizers are writing and calling people in her district who have contributed to her in the past and have targeted businesses in her district that have supported her.

Lawmaker's Comments on Homosexuality Spark Hate Campaign, Death Threats (http://www.cnsnews.com/ViewCulture.asp?Page=/Culture/archive/200803/CUL20080328a.html)


Title: Woman Arrested After Allegedly Caught Stealing Newborn From Hospital Nursery
Post by: Shammu on March 29, 2008, 03:15:18 PM
Woman Arrested After Allegedly Caught Stealing Newborn From Hospital Nursery

Friday , March 28, 2008

SANFORD, Fla. —
A woman on Friday abducted a 1-day-old baby from a secure hospital unit and apparently managed to smuggle the child from the facility inside a tote bag, police said.

Jennifer Latham, 39, of Sanford, was arrested a short time later after being pulled over by police in nearby Lake Mary, said Darrel Presley, deputy chief of the Sanford Police Department near Orlando.

Officials at Central Florida Regional Hospital alerted police of the abduction around 1:45 p.m. after hospital alarms indicated the child had been removed from the newborn unit, Presley said.

The hospital was immediately locked down as officials searched the grounds, but the woman was apparently able to slip by security because she had the child hidden in a bag, he said.

"We believe at this point she had a large blue tote bag that she may have actually placed the child inside," Presley said. "And she just apparently walked out."

Presley said hospital staff acted appropriately and quickly.

"But in just those few minutes that it takes to gather the information and disseminate it, she was able to walk from the maternity ward through the exit and then depart the hospital," he said.

Authorities initially believed they were looking for two women because the suspect wore street clothes into the hospital, then changed into a scrub-like shirt in an apparent attempt to blend in, Presley said.

Police in the nearby town of Lake Mary pulled over a vehicle at about 3 p.m. that matched a description of the vehicle witnesses described Latham driving, he said. The baby was found inside unharmed and has been returned to the hospital and reunited with the parents.

Presley said authorities had no indication the suspect is related to the child. Latham was in custody and being interviewed by detectives.

"It does appear that it could be a stranger abduction, which is very, very rare," he said.

Hospital spokesman Craig Bair said the child was wearing a device that set off an alarm when the infant was taken outside the secure unit.

"We're still putting together the facts," Bair said.

Woman Arrested After Allegedly Caught Stealing Newborn From Hospital Nursery (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,342969,00.html)


Title: Islam Surpasses Roman Catholicism as World's Largest Religion
Post by: Shammu on March 31, 2008, 03:20:12 PM
Islam Surpasses Roman Catholicism as World's Largest Religion

Sunday , March 30, 2008

VATICAN CITY —
Islam has surpassed Roman Catholicism as the world's largest religion, the Vatican newspaper said Sunday.

"For the first time in history, we are no longer at the top: Muslims have overtaken us," Monsignor Vittorio Formenti said in an interview with the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano. Formenti compiles the Vatican's yearbook.

He said that Catholics accounted for 17.4 percent of the world population -- a stable percentage -- while Muslims were at 19.2 percent.

"It is true that while Muslim families, as is well known, continue to make a lot of children, Christian ones on the contrary tend to have fewer and fewer," the monsignor said.

Formenti said that the data refer to 2006. The figures on Muslims were put together by Muslim countries and then provided to the United Nations, he said, adding that the Vatican could only vouch for its own data.

When considering all Christians and not just Catholics, Christians make up 33 percent of the world population, Formenti said.

Spokesmen for the Vatican and the United Nations did not immediately return phone calls seeking comment Sunday.

Islam Surpasses Roman Catholicism as World's Largest Religion (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,343336,00.html)


Title: Missing NY pastor found in OH strip club
Post by: Shammu on March 31, 2008, 03:21:46 PM
Missing NY pastor found in OH strip club

A pastor whose disappearance from a small town in upstate New York triggered a search by police and the FBI was found earlier today -- inside an Ohio strip club.

Police said that when the Rev. Craig S. Rhodenizer, 46, was confronted by an officer, he began crying and said he couldn't remember anything about the 36 hours he was missing.

But dancers at the club remembered Rhodenizer. They told investigators that Rhodenizer spent two hours drinking, soliciting dances and making threatening comments. He also said he wanted to take the dancers back to his motel, according to the police report. In his car was a bottle of Bacardi rum.

Sgt. Frank Previte, an investigator with the Lewiston Police Department, told ABC News it was one of the most bizarre cases he's seen.

"They questioned him a bit. He was very distraught, crying and hysterical," Previte said. "He did not know where he was."

Rhodenizer was discovered more than 400 miles from his Lewiston, N.Y., home by police in Riverside, Ohio, who were checking out-of-state license plates of cars parked at the club in a high-crime section of the city.

When officers ran the New York license plate on Rhodenizer's Toyota Camry, the check showed the pastor as a missing person being sought by New York police and FBI. Riverside police called authorities in Lewiston and were instructed to approach Rhodenizer.

The pastor broke down when police asked if he was Rhodenizer, crying and asking about the welfare of his wife and son, according to a Lewiston police report.

Ohio police took Rhodenizer to a hospital and towed his car.

Previte was relieved the search for Rhodenizer ended safely for the pastor, even if it was under unseemly circumstances.

"Regardless, we don't have any indication that a crime has been committed," Previte said. "And I don't see that changing."

Susan Rhodenizer, the pastor's wife, told ABC News that the family is making arrangements for her husband to return home.

"This was very much a stress-induced emotional crisis," his wife said. "He's never had any of this, historically." The family intends to seek ongoing mental health treatment for Rhodenizer.

Susan Rhodenizer reported her husband missing Wednesday after he said he was going to a Best Buy 30 minutes away to have a computer repaired. The family was scheduled to go on a vacation Thursday.

New York authorities initially feared the pastor may have been kidnapped and the FBI joined the search. They picked up a cell phone signal placing Rhodenizer in northern Pennsylvania Wednesday night, once at 9 p.m. and again at 9:30 p.m. Previte said there was no cell phone or credit card activity throughout Thursday.

Rhodenizer is the pastor of St. John's Lutheran Church in the Village of Lydonville.

Police said the pastor did not have any relevant criminal history. "In our check into his background, we could not come up with anything that indicated this was stress-incuded," Previte said.

Missing NY pastor found in OH strip club (http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/national_world&id=6048160)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 02, 2008, 11:30:28 PM
1st human-animal stem-cell embryos bring religious protests
'Experiments of Frankenstein proportion' may increase pressure for tougher regulations

The creation of the U.K.'s first part-human, part-animal embryos may increase pressure on Parliament for tougher regulations on stem cell research.

Lyle Armstrong and colleagues at Newcastle University made embryos using human cells and a cow egg, the college said yesterday in a statement on its Web site. Debate in the U.K. over the so-called hybrid embryos increased after Catholic leaders, in Easter sermons, attacked the technique used for making stem cells. Cardinal Keith O'Brien of Edinburgh said creating such embryos were ``experiments of Frankenstein proportion.''

Parliament is discussing changes to a 1990 law that governs stem cell research, including the hybrid work. U.K. scientists, who can conduct research U.S. President George W. Bush restricted in 2001, are concerned that they'll fall behind other countries if legislation before Parliament is defeated. Chinese and U.S. academics already have produced stem cells extracted from part- human, part-animal embryos.

The new hybrids ``will open the door to a better understanding of disease processes without having to use precious human eggs,'' John Burn, head of the Institute of Human Genetics at Newcastle University, said in the statement. ``Cells grown using animal eggs cannot be used to treat patients on safety grounds but they will help bring nearer the day when new stem cell therapies are available.''

Armstrong presented preliminary data last month at a lecture in Israel, and is working to verify the data, the university said yesterday.

Lobbying, Debates

In response to the criticism from religious leaders, medical organizations are organizing supporters to lobby legislators. O'Brien has agreed to a Catholic lawmaker's request that he meet researchers who want to use hybrid embryos. Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, the leader of Catholics in England and Wales, wants a national bioethics panel established.

Two days after O'Brien's Easter sermon, Prime Minister Gordon Brown agreed to allow lawmakers in his Labour party and Cabinet ministers to vote based on their consciences as opposed to their party's position when they're polled in May or June. Three of Brown's Cabinet ministers are Catholic and may have resigned rather than support the bill.

Among the proposed changes to the 1990 Human Fertilization and Embryology Act is a provision allowing researchers to generate stem cells from hybrid embryos.

How it Works

The embryos are created by inserting DNA from the skin cell of a person into animal eggs whose own nucleus and genetic material have been removed. The law would prohibit developing hybrid embryos beyond 14 days or transferring them to a person or animal.

Embryonic cells are valued because they have the ability to turn into any of the roughly 210 cell types found in the human body. Researchers want to make hybrid embryos using the DNA of humans with incurable conditions such as Parkinson's disease, diabetes and spinal cord injury. The resulting stem cells would give another way to study the diseases and develop treatments. Human eggs are in short supply and donating them can be uncomfortable for women.

The House of Lords passed the bill in January after three hearings. Debate on it is scheduled to begin in the House of Commons in May.

That same month, the Human Fertilization and Embryology Authority, the agency overseeing embryological research, gave Armstrong and Stephen Minger of King's College London one-year licenses to use hybrid embryos, after the group held public hearings on the matter.

Poll Results

The regulator cited a poll that found 61 percent of Britons it surveyed agreed scientists should be allowed to use hybrid embryos for research that might help them to understand diseases.

The Association of Medical Research Charities and the Genetic Interest Group, which together represent 245 U.K. charities for conditions such as Parkinson's disease, cystic fibrosis and multiple sclerosis, asked the 646 members of the House of Commons to support the bill in a March 19 letter.

``We've got 3 million patients in the U.K. who could potentially benefit from the treatments that could be delivered by this research,'' said Nick Meade, a policy officer for the Genetic Interest Group.

The government-backed Medical Research Council and AMRC member charities, including the Wellcome Trust, have spent about 90 million pounds ($178 million) funding stem-cell research projects in the U.K. since 2002.

Postcard Protests

At Easter Masses, Catholic worshippers were given postcards protesting against the proposals to send to their parliamentary representatives. Catholic leaders in London, Liverpool and Birmingham joined O'Brien in coming out against the bill in their sermons.

``It does seem extraordinary that the HFEA should have granted a license before there has been a full public and parliamentary debate,'' the Catholic Bishops Conference of England and Wales said today in a statement. ``There must be a thorough public discussion about the serious ethical issues raised by the possibility of creating human-animal hybrid embryos.''

The Church opposes all research and procedures that tamper with embryos. Embryonic stem cells haven't produced any cures so far and medical research could do without them or hybrids by focusing on adult stem cells, mature cells that have developed into specific tissue types, the Catholic Bishops' Conference argues.

`Unnecessary'

``Regardless of where you stand on this issue, it's wholly unnecessary to use human embryos'' in stem-cell research, said David Alton, a Catholic layman and House of Lords member who doesn't belong to a political party. Alton unsuccessfully sought to block the hybrid embryo provision in the bill in January.

Charities are arranging meetings with lawmakers to present their case, Kieran Breen of the Parkinson's Disease Society said. His group has asked its members to contact their representatives in Parliament and let them know what is at stake for sufferers.

``If the bill or sections of the bill don't go through, that could put research and our understanding of conditions like Parkinson's back by a number of years,'' Breen, director of research and development, said.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 03, 2008, 07:40:28 AM
Brothers and Sisters,

There is no such thing as improving the CREATION OF GOD. GOD had a design and purpose for all of HIS CREATION, and it was to be within HIS Will. Bluntly, the perversion of GOD'S design and purpose is evil. It really is just this simple.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.


Title: NYC Cabbie Who Runs Anti-American Islamic Web Site Calls for Shia Law In U.S.
Post by: Shammu on April 11, 2008, 03:01:42 PM
NYC Cabbie Who Runs Anti-American Islamic Web Site Mocks GI Deaths, Calls for Shia Law In U.S.

Monday , April 07, 2008

NEW YORK, N.Y. —
A New York City cabbie who operates an extremist Islamic anti-American Web site that features violent images — including mocking the deaths of GIs in Iraq — says he’s doing the country a service by “exposing the truth.”

Yousef al-Khattab, who runs RevolutionMuslim.com from his home in Queens, told FOX News that he also wants the U.S. to embrace Islam and Sharia Law, which prohibits alcohol and can include stoning to death or severe flogging for pre-marital sex and adultery.

On any given day, log on to al-Khattab's site and a host of startling images appear:

— The Statue of Liberty, with an ax blade cutting through her side;

— Video mocking the beheading of American journalist Daniel Pearl, entitled "Daniel Pearl I am Happy Your Dead :) ";

— Video of a puppet show lampooning U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq;

— The latest speech from Sheikh Abdullah Faisal, an extremist Muslim cleric convicted in the UK and later deported for soliciting the murder of non-Muslims.

Even more surprising is that al-Khattab runs his site from his home in Queens, New York.

And, because al-Khattab enjoys the First Amendment right to freedom of speech, all the authorities can do is watch.

Formerly known as Joseph Cohen, al-Khattab is an American-born Jew who converted to Islam after attending an Orthodox Rabbinical school, which he later described as a “racist cult.”

The 39-year-old New York taxi driver launched RevolutionMuslim.com with the mission of “preserving Islamic culture,” “calling people to the oneness of God” and asking them to “support the beloved Sheik Abdullah Faisal, who’s preaching the religion of Islam and serving as a spiritual guide.”

In 2003, Faisal was convicted in the U.K. for spreading messages of racial hatred and urging his followers to kill Jews, Hindus and Westerners. In sermon recordings played at his trial, Faisal called on young, impressionable Muslims to use chemical weapons to “exterminate unbelievers” and “cut the throat of the Kaffars [nonbelievers] with [a] machete.”

Authorities believe Faisal’s sermons have influenced 2005 London transport bomber Germaine Lindsay and "shoe bomber" Richard Reid, who attended mosques where Faisal preached.

At times, al-Khattab's postings are farcical, such as a picture of him holding the book "Nuclear Jihad" with a wry smile on his face. Other messages call for radical Muslim rule worldwide.

Al-Khattab claims the Sept. 11 terror attacks were an “inside job,” and he blames U.S. foreign policy for spawning the terrorism that carried out the attacks.

He calls Daniel Pearl, who was kidnapped and beheaded in 2002 by Islamic extremists in Pakistan, “a convicted spy.”

“I could care less about Daniel Pearl,” al-Khattab said in an interview with FOXNews.com. “I’m happy to see that he’s gone.”

The content changes constantly. One reason is that the fast flow of information allows messages to spread through cyberspace quickly. Another, terrorism analysts say, is to make it difficult for law enforcement to monitor the site.

Despite his radical anti-Western views, al-Khattab says he does not support terrorism of any kind.

Yet, RevolutionMuslim.com claims to be the official site of “North American representatives” for Sheikh Faisal, and it appears dedicated to spreading his radical doctrine.

He says Faisal “never said to kill innocent people” and was unjustly imprisoned. He says the real terror organizations are the U.S. Army, the CIA, and the FBI — and the National Coast Guard, “to a lesser extent.”

According to RevolutionMuslim, Faisal — who was deported to his native Jamaica in 2007 — is now receiving donations solicited on the site, including money for a new laptop and DVD burner to spread his message.

It's not illegal to post these messages or collect money for Faisal, but it would be if Faisal were designated a terrorist by the U.S. government. He currently is not listed on any government terror list; a Department of Justice spokesman could not confirm or deny if Faisal is being investigated for any terror related activity.

RevolutionMuslim may look amateurish when compared with other extremist Web sites, but it is no less of a threat, says Mia Bloom, political science professor at the University of Georgia’s School of Public and International Affairs.

“It may lead people who become radicalized by it to turn to other, more dangerous Web sites,” such as those run by terrorist organizations, she said.

Bloom characterized al-Khattab’s message as “narrow” and “misinformed” and said he is attempting to “proselytize or radicalize people who share some of these same ideas.”

“[He] has obviously been duped or is duping others because that’s not what Islam preaches,” she said.

On his site al-Khattab appears to condemn the very democracy that guarantees him the freedom to express himself — a freedom he cites in a disclaimer on his homepage:

“We hereby declare and make absolute public declaration that revolutionmuslim.com operates under the first amendment right to freedom of religion and expression and that in no way, shape, or form do we call for war against the U.S. government or adhere to the enemies of the United States elsewhere.”

Under the law FBI spokesman Richard Kolko said it is difficult to bring criminal charges against the operators of Web sites like RevolutionMuslim.com unless specific threats are made against an individual or individuals.

Kolko while not speaking directly about RevolutionMuslim said radical sites like these are not often prosecuted.

"It's usually a First Amendment right if they don't cross the threshold of making any threats," said Kolko. "There's nothing we should or could do."

“Until the rhetoric reaches the point in which it’s no longer protected speech under the first amendment, it’s hard to stop it,” said security expert, Harvey Kushner.

NYC Cabbie Who Runs Anti-American Islamic Web Site Mocks GI Deaths, Calls for Shia Law In U.S. (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,347272,00.html)


Title: Re: NYC Cabbie Who Runs Anti-American Islamic Web Site Calls for Shia Law In U.S
Post by: Shammu on April 11, 2008, 03:05:44 PM

Fox was the only organization to run this news story, that I'm aware of. In effect, giving advertising to the radical elements seeking attention. Shouldn't this guy be in jail, I thought it was illegal to promote the overthrow of the government.


Title: Re: NYC Cabbie Who Runs Anti-American Islamic Web Site Calls for Shia Law In U.S
Post by: nChrist on April 11, 2008, 04:53:36 PM
Fox was the only organization to run this news story, that I'm aware of. In effect, giving advertising to the radical elements seeking attention. Shouldn't this guy be in jail, I thought it was illegal to promote the overthrow of the government.

Hello DreamWeaver,

Brother, there are many laws that aren't being enforced right now - probably because of the growing control over our system by the far LEFT. Some would say that it has to do with Religious Freedom, but that can't be it because of the comparison with what's being DONE TO CHRISTIANS and AGAINST GOD! I think we are watching the demise of a once Great Country that was ONLY GREAT BECAUSE IT WAS UNDER GOD! I'm obviously talking about the REAL AND ONLY LIVING GOD - ALMIGHTY GOD - GOD THE FATHER, GOD THE SON, AND GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT - NOT anti-CHRISTS!

It's been said many times that America can only be overthrown from within, and that's what we're watching right now.


Title: Pope seeks John Paul II intercession
Post by: Shammu on April 11, 2008, 05:24:12 PM
Pope seeks JPII intercession

VATICAN CITY (CNS): Pope Benedict XVI has prayed that Pope John Paul II would intercede for him with God, helping him to gather and build on the spiritual gifts that Pope John Paul gave to the Church.

The Vatican police said almost 40,000 people joined Pope Benedict on April 2 in St Peter's Square for a Mass marking the third anniversary of Pope John Paul's death.

"We pray that from heaven he will continue to intercede for each one of us, and in a special way for me, whom providence has called to harvest his invaluable spiritual heritage," the Pope said in his homily.

"May the Church, following his teaching and example, continue his evangelising mission faithfully and without compromise, tirelessly spreading the merciful love of Christ, the source of true peace for the whole world," he said.

The concelebrants included Polish Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz of Krakow, who had served as Pope John Paul's secretary for almost 40 years.

At an April 1 conference dedicated to the memory of Pope John Paul, Cardinal Dziwisz said he continued to receive hundreds of letters from people who have asked for Pope John Paul's intercession and he, himself, continued to pray for his former boss' assistance.

"I do not miss John Paul," he said. "I accompanied him for almost 40 years and now he accompanies me. When I have a problem, I turn to him and he is with me."

Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the priest in charge of promoting the cause, told Vatican Radio on March 31 that he had completed a 2000-page draft of the "positio", the official position paper explaining why Pope John Paul should be proclaimed a saint.

An official at the Congregation for Saints' Causes is examining the draft, a few adjustments are expected, and then the report will be officially submitted for judgment, Msgr Oder said

Pope seeks JPII intercession (http://www.catholicleader.com.au/index.php?id=4219)


Title: Re: Pope seeks John Paul II intercession
Post by: nChrist on April 11, 2008, 06:11:14 PM
Pope seeks JPII intercession

VATICAN CITY (CNS): Pope Benedict XVI has prayed that Pope John Paul II would intercede for him with God, helping him to gather and build on the spiritual gifts that Pope John Paul gave to the Church.

The Vatican police said almost 40,000 people joined Pope Benedict on April 2 in St Peter's Square for a Mass marking the third anniversary of Pope John Paul's death.

"We pray that from heaven he will continue to intercede for each one of us, and in a special way for me, whom providence has called to harvest his invaluable spiritual heritage," the Pope said in his homily.

"May the Church, following his teaching and example, continue his evangelising mission faithfully and without compromise, tirelessly spreading the merciful love of Christ, the source of true peace for the whole world," he said.

The concelebrants included Polish Cardinal Stanislaw Dziwisz of Krakow, who had served as Pope John Paul's secretary for almost 40 years.

At an April 1 conference dedicated to the memory of Pope John Paul, Cardinal Dziwisz said he continued to receive hundreds of letters from people who have asked for Pope John Paul's intercession and he, himself, continued to pray for his former boss' assistance.

"I do not miss John Paul," he said. "I accompanied him for almost 40 years and now he accompanies me. When I have a problem, I turn to him and he is with me."

Monsignor Slawomir Oder, the priest in charge of promoting the cause, told Vatican Radio on March 31 that he had completed a 2000-page draft of the "positio", the official position paper explaining why Pope John Paul should be proclaimed a saint.

An official at the Congregation for Saints' Causes is examining the draft, a few adjustments are expected, and then the report will be officially submitted for judgment, Msgr Oder said

Pope seeks JPII intercession (http://www.catholicleader.com.au/index.php?id=4219)

Brothers and Sisters, I think this is obscene. JESUS CHRIST is the only Mediator between GOD THE FATHER and mankind. JESUS CHRIST is ALIVE! A dead pope or any other dead man can't do a single thing for the living. Further, ALL Christians are already SAINTS! Men don't vote to determine whether a Christian is a Saint. GOD makes us a SAINT when JESUS CHRIST becomes the LORD over our lives. ALL GLORY GOES TO GOD - none to man! WE PRAY TO GOD - not man! JESUS CHRIST IS OUR INTERCESSOR - not man, especially not a dead man!


Title: Re: Pope seeks John Paul II intercession
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 11, 2008, 06:46:22 PM
Brothers and Sisters, I think this is obscene. JESUS CHRIST is the only Mediator between GOD THE FATHER and mankind. JESUS CHRIST is ALIVE! A dead pope or any other dead man can't do a single thing for the living. Further, ALL Christians are already SAINTS! Men don't vote to determine whether a Christian is a Saint. GOD makes us a SAINT when JESUS CHRIST becomes the LORD over our lives. ALL GLORY GOES TO GOD - none to man! WE PRAY TO GOD - not man! JESUS CHRIST IS OUR INTERCESSOR - not man, especially not a dead man!

Amen and AMEN!



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on April 11, 2008, 07:19:53 PM
If this isn't the Pope for the end times, he is sure preparing the way!


Title: College Class Trip Takes Tour of Nevada Brothel, With Seminars From Prostitutes
Post by: Shammu on April 13, 2008, 09:33:39 PM
College Class Trip Takes Tour of Nevada Brothel, With Seminars From Prostitutes

Friday , April 11, 2008

PAHRUMP, Nevada  —
College student Nicki Amouri hands her camera to a friend, throws her arm over another and smiles wide as she leans in for a shot with the monument her class came to visit.

It's a typical field trip memento — except that Amouri is in a brothel. The monument is a fluffy, queen-sized bed in a Western-themed party room reserved for VIPs and big spenders.

Amouri was one of a dozen Randolph College students who toured the Chicken Ranch, a legal bordello in the desert (60 miles outside Las Vegas). Thursday's class trip, which included seminars from the prostitutes, capped a course on American consumption and "the ideas that consume us."

"I think it's fascinating, this is fun for me," said Amouri, a third year student at the private liberal arts school in Lynchburg, Virginia, that until last year admitted only women. "Not many people get to do this."

Academic and media inquiries are daily occurrences at many of Nevada's 27 legal brothels. Some shy away from the scrutiny, others, like the Chicken Ranch, welcome the publicity.

"We're always open to trying to educate the public about legalized prostitution," said Chicken Ranch general manager Debbie Rivenburgh, who acknowledged this was the first class tour request she had received in 21 years.

The brothel tour was a natural fit for a class that tells students "don't just study America — live it," said Julio Rodriguez, the director of the college's American Culture Program.

Each semester the course examines a strain of American culture and ends with a class trip. Past destinations included post-Katrina New Orleans, Walt Disney World and the Civil Rights Memorial Center in Montgomery, Alabama.

This year's focus on Nevada started with a professor's interest in water rights and conservation. It grew to include discussions of the wedding and entertainment industries and, inevitably, prostitution.

Nevada is the only state where prostitution is legal. Brothels are allowed in 10 Nevada counties, though not in Las Vegas.

As part of their research, students were assigned "The Beauty Myth," by feminist author Naomi Wolf, "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas," by Hunter S. Thompson, and a "20/20" episode on prostitution with Diane Sawyer, among other research, professors said.

"We gave them all the option to either opt out or express reservations privately. No one did," said Rodriguez, adding that he received no objections from parents or administrators.

Prostitutes at the Chicken Ranch had plenty of reservations. Most do not jump at the chance to talk to strangers about what they do, Rivenburgh said. They worry about friends or family finding out. They know how others see them. It can be uncomfortable.

"Ninety-nine percent of the working girls will not participate. Each woman's got her reason and her limitations," Rivenburgh said. "I couldn't have done better with the two that said yes, though."

Alexis, 38, and Alicia, "over 30," sat on white folding chairs in front the young, earnest women in the brothel's Victorian-styled parlor, usually the setting for the "lineup." They would not give their last names. The group took close notes as a handful of television cameras and reporters looked on.

A blonde in jeans and platform boots, Alexis talked about the job's flexibility and the free time it has allowed her to write a book about her life. Alicia wore a black-and-white gingham nighty and a tattoo on her left breast that read "Famous."

"I enjoy giving back what some people don't get in their lives, as far as companionship, time, just the touch of a woman," she said. The job allows her to take care of her mother and grandmother. She is also in real estate.

The introductions gave way to questions.

Do you consider yourself a feminist?

Alexis: "Most women in this business wear the pants in the family."

Is there a certain look most men prefer?

Alicia: Every man wants something different. "There's all different kinds of girls."

Why are there no brothels with male prostitutes?

Rivenburgh: Former Hollywood Madame Heidi Fleiss is trying.

Do you still give a military discount?

Rivenburgh: Yes.

What is the worst part?

Alicia: "Being confined, being cooped up. I have to be here 24 hours a day."

With a tour and time to mingle, the students packed up gift bags containing a menu of services, a Chicken Ranch key chain and a brochure. They had to get back to Las Vegas in time for a backstage tour of the risque revue "Jubilee." With any luck, they might get to interview the showgirls.

College Class Trip Takes Tour of Nevada Brothel, With Seminars From Prostitutes (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,350188,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 13, 2008, 10:09:50 PM
All I can say is that things are getting sick these days.

They used to have career days and various explorer type programs designed to get young people interested in worthy occupations. What a sick world we live in today!


Title: Belarus workers move bones from Jewish cemetery to dump
Post by: Shammu on April 13, 2008, 10:14:42 PM
Belarus workers move bones from Jewish cemetery to dump
By The Associated Press
13/04/2008

Workers rebuilding a sports stadium on the site of an 18th century Jewish cemetery in Belarus say they have no choice but to consign the bones to city dumps.

"It's impossible to pack an entire cemetery into sacks," said worker Mikhail Gubets, adding that he stopped counting the skulls when the number went over 100.

But critics say it's part of a pattern of callous indifference toward Belarus' Jewish heritage that was prevalent when the country was a Soviet republic and hasn't changed.

The stadium in Gomel, Belarus' second largest city and a center of Jewish life until World War II, is one of four that were built on top of Jewish cemeteries around the country.

The Gomel cemetery was destroyed when the stadium was built in 1961, but the remains lay largely undisturbed until this spring when reconstruction began and a bulldozer turned up the first bones.

A Jewish leader in Gomel, Vladimir Gershanok, says he asked the builders to put the bones into sacks for reburial at a cemetery that has a monument to Holocaust victims.

"We know we can't stop the construction but we're trying to minimize the
destruction," Gershanok said.

But city authorities have ruled that the construction can go ahead because the bones are more than 50 years old.

Igor Poluyan, the city official responsible for building sports facilities, says he doesn't understand the problem. "If something was scattered there, we'll collect it and take it away," he said.

A history professor, Yevgeny Malikov, sees the cemetery as part of the city's heritage. He has filled three sacks with bones and pulled aside two of the unearthed marble gravestones. Other gravestones are piled near a trash bin or already carried away. Some of the bones have been carried off by stray dogs.

"The history of the city is being thrown into the dump together with the human remains," Malikov said.

Jews began settling in Gomel in the 16th century and by the end of the 19th century made up more than half of the population. In 1903, they made history by being the first to resist a pogrom, defending 26 synagogues and prayer houses.

Most of Gomel's 40,000 Jews managed to flee before the Nazis arrived. The
4,000 who remained were shot in November 1941. Only a few thousand Jews now live in the city of 500,000.

Oleg Korzhuyev, 38, who lives on Karl Marx Street at the edge of the site, said the workers aren't happy about digging up human bones, but if they find a gold tooth then it's a real celebration.

Another city, Grodno, experienced a similar problem while reconstructing a stadium built on a Jewish cemetery. The excavated earth and bones were
scattered into a ravine.

Jewish graves also have been disturbed in neighboring Ukraine.

"It's not just a Jewish issue, it's this general Soviet legacy," said Ukraine's chief rabbi, Yakov Blaikh. They didn't respect people while they were alive and they don't respect them when they are dead.

This month, the Jewish community in the city of Vinnyntsa was able to stop construction of an apartment building on a pre-World War II Jewish cemetery.

Ukrainian authorities apologized, saying they did not realize the construction would affect the cemetery. Belarus, on the other hand, has been one of the least responsive countries on all Jewish issues, according to Efraim Zuroff, director of the Israeli Simon Wiesenthal Center.

"The government is simply erasing Jewish history from the face of this land," said Yakov Basin, vice president of the Belarusian Jewish Council.

Before the war, about 1 million Jews lived in Belarus and 800,000 of them died in the Holocaust. Today they number 27,000 in the country of 10 million.

Belarus' president, Alexander Lukashenko, has shown little respect for Jewish culture. In a radio broadcast in October that provoked a sharp protest from the Israeli government, he suggested that when Jews were numerous in another town, Bobruisk, they turned it into a pigsty.

"You know how Jews treat the place where they live. Look at Israel; I was there," he said.

Belarus workers move bones from Jewish cemetery to dump (http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/974361.html)
~~~~~~~~~

This is all part of the effort to entirely eliminate all signs of Israel around the world. I wish they could have transported the bones to Israel.


Title: Condi Tips Her Hand
Post by: Shammu on April 13, 2008, 10:23:55 PM
Condi Tips Her Hand
by Emanuel A. Winston
04/11/08

Holding back military resupply is an old trick.

Fortunately, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice and her Department of State team have gone a bit too far and exposed their hand.

'Coincidentally,' just after Rice’s team left, it was revealed that America will hold back military resupply to Israel 'until Israel needs it.' This would ostensibly save Israel billions of dollars in storage costs for equipment and weapons 'it may never use.'

Holding back military resupply is an old State Department tactic, used best by Henry Kissinger in the 1973 Yom Kippur War, to ensure that Israel would be "more flexible" when she was forced into post-war negotiations. I remember hearing that Kissinger said: 'Let Israel bleed a little. She’ll give up more in negotiations if she bleeds a little.' Kissinger’s deliberate delay of resupplying Israel until the eighth day of the war led to many needless deaths and endangered Israel severely.

So, on top of the State Department making Israel remove roadblocks in order to give terrorists greater freedom of movement - with more Israelis dead - they also want Israel to incur greater casualties in any upcoming war. Like Kissinger, the State Department and Rice want "Israel to bleed a little" - or a lot.

We can’t help but notice how this comes together nicely with the $60 billion-plus dollars worth of American arms that have been supplied to Egypt in the years since the Camp David Accords. Don’t forget the hundreds of thousands of American tax-payers’ dollars that have gone to Fatah, under Mahmoud Abbas, for weapons - only to be captured by Hamas as soon as they took over Gaza. Remember that George Bush connived with Ariel Sharon and Ehud Olmert to surrender and evict 10,000 men, women and children from Gush Katif in Gaza; that gave Hamas the terrorist base they needed. Those 21 Jewish communities in Gush Katif were being attacked mercilessly - as is Sderot now - but they were protecting the rest of southern Israel.

The billions to Egypt and millions to the Palestinian Authority continued apace and grew exponentially during the eight Bush-Rice years (Rice was first National Security Advisor and now is Secretary of State). Egypt will have top quality tanks, planes and missiles ready to attack Israel. Why Israel? Israel is Egypt’s only enemy. Why else would Egypt be preparing for war? Egypt has become the military colossus of the Middle East and is now negotiating with Vladimir Putin of Russia to build a nuclear power plant, as Russia did for Iran. One to start with; more to follow.

Egypt has made no secret of its aim to achieve military parity with the Jewish State and to have a regional military projection capability. Cairo has acquired new and more powerful weapons systems, including surface-to-surface missiles, from China and North Korea, WMD capability, fighter aircraft, attack helicopters, naval vessels and, of course, tanks. With no country threatening its borders, only Israel appears to be the likely target of the Egyptian build-up. Some may recall during a prior US administration, while Secretary of Defense William Cohen was observing Operation "Bright Star" (joint military games with US and Egyptian troops), a high-ranking Egyptian general said: "We are preparing for war with Israel."

Of course, resupply takes time, even under the best of circumstances. Egypt will have top quality tanks, planes and missiles ready to attack, while Israel is waiting for American supplies. With 40,000 enemy missiles now in Hizbullah inventory, poised to hit Israel, flights will be delayed. Runways may be hit. America may not want to sent her cargo jets into enemy fire. The State Department may relish the idea of letting Israel "sweat it out."

The State Department and Ms. Rice have shown themselves to be hostile entities when it comes to Israel. It is beneficial for Israel and her friends around the world to know this. Congress may find it necessary to launch an investigation into the State Department’s inner strategy towards Israel.


However, there is another benefit that can come from this. As we proposed in the past, America should build giant prepositioning warehouses in Israel. These will be under American ownership until they are released for either Israel’s use or American resupply to one of the American theaters of war in time of emergency. Having a resupply depot in the Middle East, secured by the Israelis, can be very useful in the volatile Middle East.

Condi Tips Her Hand (http://www.israelnationalnews.com/Articles/Article.aspx/7900)


Title: Re: Condi Tips Her Hand
Post by: Shammu on April 13, 2008, 10:26:30 PM

I grieve for Israel and for our own country which seems determined to bring judgment on itself but this is my opinion. I'm afraid, it's only a matter of time.............


Title: For sale: 13-year-old virgin
Post by: Shammu on April 13, 2008, 10:50:08 PM
 For sale: 13-year-old virgin

By Sue Ryan in Bharatpur
Last Updated: 2:40am BST 14/04/2008

Thirty miles west of the Taj Mahal, on the road to the pink city of Jaipur, tourists on buses pass a sight that the guide books rarely mention.

A mile beyond the town of Bharatpur in Rajasthan, where the highway is being widened to four lanes, traffic slows down for roadworks. But the workmen who lounge by their bulldozers have their eyes on something else - a cluster of makeshift shelters where girls, several under 18 and at least two younger than 15, can be seen strolling or sitting, in view of the dusty carriageway.

Tonight, one girl in particular is attracting attention as she sits on a stool by a fire so that she can be seen by passing vehicles. Her heavily made-up, striking face and beautiful pink sari make her look as if she were on her way to a party. But the truth is different. Suli, 14, is a virgin and a bidding war is being held for the right to be the first to sleep with her.

The collection of shelters where she lives houses 59 families, all members of the Bedia tribe, which has a long tradition of caste-based prostitution. Girls born here become prostitutes in a rite of passage into "adulthood" as routine as marriage is to the rest of Indian society.

The "first time" is a valued commodity for which the middle-class businessmen who pass this way are prepared to pay a premium.

The normal rate is 100 rupees (£1.30) but a virgin is sold to the highest bidder for anything over 20,000 rupees. If she is very pretty, the community would hope to get up to 40,000 rupees. For this, the man can have access to the girl for as long as he likes - several hours, days, or even weeks. When he tires of her, there is a celebration. Because it is considered unlucky for a girl to keep the money from her first time, it is spent instead on an extravagant party. Jewellery is bought for her and for her relatives, goats are slaughtered and alcohol runs freely. There is dancing, and offerings are made to the gods.

Once a girl has lost her virginity she cannot marry. The choice has been made and the community celebrates it - this is her non-wedding night.

Suli said she was happy to enter the trade. "I chose it," she said, though she admitted being "a little" frightened. "I do not know how it is going to be. I know other girls who are in the trade but I have not asked them how it is."

She claimed it did not matter what the man looked like. "I will go with whoever pays the highest price," she said, before running off as her mother called her for supper.

Nita, a virgin in the hut next door, has four sisters, all prostitutes. She wears jeans and a skimpy top, and giggles a lot. One sister boasts that as Nita is particularly pretty, they hope to get 40,000 rupees (£600). "We have been offered 25,000, but it is not enough."

Nita is only 13 but has opted to follow her sisters into the trade. It is her own "choice", because, she giggled, "I won't have to do any housework."

But in avoiding making chapatis, Nita has signed up to a life in which she will deal with 20 to 30 clients per day, until she reaches her forties. After that, when she is no longer considered desirable, she will depend on any children she may have for support.

Two of her sisters, Ritu, 35, and Manju, 25, have built one of the few stone houses in their village, for which they paid the equivalent of £14,600, and are proud of their success. "There was a lot of poverty, we had nothing to eat," said Manju. "What you see now has come with hard work." They support 50 family members - 35 children and 15 adults.

Elsewhere in India, the birth of a boy is celebrated with dowries paid by the bride's family, one of the reasons given for the high abortion rate for female foetuses. But in the villages around Bharatpur there is a shortage of girls to marry, and the custom is for the boy's family to pay the girl's family a large lump sum before the wedding can take place.

Possibly because the money comes from prostitution, and because any granddaughters will be destined for the trade, the sums are high.

Ritu and Manju paid for four of their five brothers to marry, and now support their sisters-in-law, nieces and nephews.

They earn between 1,000 and 1,500 rupees a day. It was more before the government knocked down their shelters to make room for the highway.

"We need a shelter by the road," they said. "Tell the government to build us somewhere we can work. We used to have 25 or 30 clients a day, now the average is 10 or 15." They said they were able to keep their rates up because they could provide a nice room and running water for their clients, who are mostly married businessmen from Agra.

The prevalence of caste-based prostitution in certain tribes in the region - the Bawaria, Nuts, Bedias, Kanjars and Sansis - came to light after a raid on a brothel in Delhi. Now an attempt is being made to break the cycle by which the girls of each generation enter the trade.

Dr KK Mukerjee, a social work professor at the University of Delhi, who was commissioned by the government to research the scope of prostitution, has founded a group, known as GNK. Supported by Plan International, a child-centred community development agency, the organisation has set up a hostel to look after prostitutes' children.

Many of the women said they did not wish their daughters to follow them into the trade. Ritu and Manju each have a daughter, whose fathers were clients. "My daughter will get educated, and not enter this profession," said Ritu. "I have seen what it is like. I don't want it for her."

A young boy at the hostel told proudly how he had persuaded his grandmother not to push his aunt into prostitution. "My grandmother said that she would kill herself if my aunt did not go into the trade and earn money," he said. "But I persuaded her, and my aunt got married."

 For sale: 13-year-old virgin (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2008/04/13/wvirgin113.xml)


Title: Re: Condi Tips Her Hand
Post by: nChrist on April 14, 2008, 07:02:21 PM
I grieve for Israel and for our own country which seems determined to bring judgment on itself but this is my opinion. I'm afraid, it's only a matter of time.............


Hello DreamWeaver,

Brother, we both know what the Bible says will most definitely happen, sooner or later. Anti-Jewish Sentiment and Anti-Christian sentiment will increase around the world, including the two against each other. Anti-Christian sentiment is already escalating by some we consider the LEAST likely - Israel. I might be naive, but I don't think that the same is true in the reverse by Christians. I might also be surprised to find out how little most Christians know about Bible Prophecy. Knowledge of GOD'S WORD is the key to this issue between Jews and Christians, but Christians should expect that most Jewish people DO NOT want to hear the Christian message. On the other side of the coin, Christians should know that GOD most certainly want us to distribute HIS GOOD NEWS to the Jewish people. This is going to be an interesting problem that most Christians should anticipate to grow WORSE - NOT BETTER. As Christians, we should attempt to please GOD, regardless of the consequences.

Brothers and Sisters, what should Christians really expect of our government if these ARE the approaching End Days of this Age of Grace? Let's go even further and wonder how many Christians are familiar with Bible Prophecy. How many Christians actually believe what the Bible says will MOST DEFINITELY HAPPEN? It's a Promise from GOD, so I would think that Christians who doubt Bible Prophecy have a BIG PROBLEM with GOD! It isn't a matter of "IF", rather a matter of "WHEN". The RAPTURE OF THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST, The Tribulation Period, THE SECOND COMING OF CHRIST, and the RULE AND REIGN OF CHRIST FROM THE THRONE OF DAVID IN JERUSALEM is AN ABSOLUTE BIBLE FACT!

Brothers and Sisters, let's talk about some BLUNT Bible facts right now that ALL Christians should think about. Any self-professed Christian who doubts or denies any Promise of GOD needs to examine themselves to determine if they REALLY ARE IN CHRIST! If the problem is a matter of ignorance regarding the contents of the Holy Bible, it's far past time for Christians to find out what the Bible and GOD SAYS is ABOUT TO HAPPEN! Bible Prophecy is GOD'S WORD, and ALL recorded Bible Prophecy has a 100% Rate of HAPPENING EXACTLY AS GOD SAYS THAT IT WILL!

Brothers and Sisters, most Christians who have even lightly studied Bible Prophecy think that we are approaching the End Days of this Age of Grace. If we are, what does this mean for you and your family if you are Christians? What does this mean for you and your family if you ARE NOT SAVED? DON'T YOU THINK THAT IT'S TIME TO FIND OUT?


Love In Christ,
Tom

Ephesians 1:18-23 NASB I pray that the eyes of your heart may be enlightened, so that you will know what is the hope of His calling, what are the riches of the glory of His inheritance in the saints, and what is the surpassing greatness of His power toward us who believe. These are in accordance with the working of the strength of His might which He brought about in Christ, when He raised Him from the dead and seated Him at His right hand in the heavenly places, far above all rule and authority and power and dominion, and every name that is named, not only in this age but also in the one to come. And He put all things in subjection under His feet, and gave Him as head over all things to the church, which is His body, the fullness of Him who fills all in all.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 14, 2008, 07:03:11 PM
Matthew 24:23-31 NASB
"Then if anyone says to you, 'Behold, here is the Christ,' or 'There He is,' do not believe him. "For false Christs and false prophets will arise and will show great signs and wonders, so as to mislead, if possible, even the elect. "Behold, I have told you in advance. "So if they say to you, 'Behold, He is in the wilderness,' do not go out, or, 'Behold, He is in the inner rooms,' do not believe them. "For just as the lightning comes from the east and flashes even to the west, so will the coming of the Son of Man be. "Wherever the corpse is, there the vultures will gather. "But immediately after the tribulation of those days THE SUN WILL BE DARKENED, AND THE MOON WILL NOT GIVE ITS LIGHT, AND THE STARS WILL FALL from the sky, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. "And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the SON OF MAN COMING ON THE CLOUDS OF THE SKY with power and great glory. "And He will send forth His angels with A GREAT TRUMPET and THEY WILL GATHER TOGETHER His elect from the four winds, from one end of the sky to the other.

Matthew 24:32-44 NASB
"Now learn the parable from the fig tree: when its branch has already become tender and puts forth its leaves, you know that summer is near; so, you too, when you see all these things, recognize that He is near, right at the door. "Truly I say to you, this generation will not pass away until all these things take place. "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away. "But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, nor the Son, but the Father alone. "For the coming of the Son of Man will be just like the days of Noah. "For as in those days before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and they did not understand until the flood came and took them all away; so will the coming of the Son of Man be. "Then there will be two men in the field; one will be taken and one will be left. "Two women will be grinding at the mill; one will be taken and one will be left. "Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming. "But be sure of this, that if the head of the house had known at what time of the night the thief was coming, he would have been on the alert and would not have allowed his house to be broken into. "For this reason you also must be ready; for the Son of Man is coming at an hour when you do not think He will.

Revelation 11:1-13 NASB
Then there was given me a measuring rod like a staff; and someone said, "Get up and measure the temple of God and the altar, and those who worship in it. "Leave out the court which is outside the temple and do not measure it, for it has been given to the nations; and they will tread under foot the holy city for forty-two months. "And I will grant authority to my two witnesses, and they will prophesy for twelve hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth." These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands that stand before the Lord of the earth. And if anyone wants to harm them, fire flows out of their mouth and devours their enemies; so if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this way. These have the power to shut up the sky, so that rain will not fall during the days of their prophesying; and they have power over the waters to turn them into blood, and to strike the earth with every plague, as often as they desire. When they have finished their testimony, the beast that comes up out of the abyss will make war with them, and overcome them and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city which mystically is called Sodom and Egypt, where also their Lord was crucified. Those from the peoples and tribes and tongues and nations will look at their dead bodies for three and a half days, and will not permit their dead bodies to be laid in a tomb. And those who dwell on the earth will rejoice over them and celebrate; and they will send gifts to one another, because these two prophets tormented those who dwell on the earth. But after the three and a half days, the breath of life from God came into them, and they stood on their feet; and great fear fell upon those who were watching them. And they heard a loud voice from heaven saying to them, "Come up here." Then they went up into heaven in the cloud, and their enemies watched them. And in that hour there was a great earthquake, and a tenth of the city fell; seven thousand people were killed in the earthquake, and the rest were terrified and gave glory to the God of heaven.

Ezekiel 7:1-9 NASB
Moreover, the word of the LORD came to me saying, "And you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD to the land of Israel, 'An end! The end is coming on the four corners of the land. 'Now the end is upon you, and I will send My anger against you; I will judge you according to your ways and bring all your abominations upon you. 'For My eye will have no pity on you, nor will I spare you, but I will bring your ways upon you, and your abominations will be among you; then you will know that I am the LORD!' "Thus says the Lord GOD, 'A disaster, unique disaster, behold it is coming! 'An end is coming; the end has come! It has awakened against you; behold, it has come! 'Your doom has come to you, O inhabitant of the land. The time has come, the day is near--tumult rather than joyful shouting on the mountains. 'Now I will shortly pour out My wrath on you and spend My anger against you; judge you according to your ways and bring on you all your abominations. 'My eye will show no pity nor will I spare. I will repay you according to your ways, while your abominations are in your midst; then you will know that I, the LORD, do the smiting.

Ezekiel 7:14-20 NASB
'They have blown the trumpet and made everything ready, but no one is going to the battle, for My wrath is against all their multitude. 'The sword is outside and the plague and the famine are within. He who is in the field will die by the sword; famine and the plague will also consume those in the city. 'Even when their survivors escape, they will be on the mountains like doves of the valleys, all of them mourning, each over his own iniquity. 'All hands will hang limp and all knees will become like water. 'They will gird themselves with sackcloth and shuddering will overwhelm them; and shame will be on all faces and baldness on all their heads. 'They will fling their silver into the streets and their gold will become an abhorrent thing; their silver and their gold will not be able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the LORD. They cannot satisfy their appetite nor can they fill their stomachs, for their iniquity has become an occasion of stumbling. 'They transformed the beauty of His ornaments into pride, and they made the images of their abominations and their detestable things with it; therefore I will make it an abhorrent thing to them.

Ezekiel 7:25-27 NASB
'When anguish comes, they will seek peace, but there will be none. 'Disaster will come upon disaster and rumor will be added to rumor; then they will seek a vision from a prophet, but the law will be lost from the priest and counsel from the elders. 'The king will mourn, the prince will be clothed with horror, and the hands of the people of the land will tremble. According to their conduct I will deal with them, and by their judgments I will judge them. And they will know that I am the LORD.'"


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 14, 2008, 07:03:58 PM
Ezekiel 38:14-23 NASB
"Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? "You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog." 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days through My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them? "It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel," declares the Lord GOD, "that My fury will mount up in My anger. "In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. "The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. "I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains," declares the Lord GOD. "Every man's sword will be against his brother. "With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. "I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the LORD."'

Ezekiel 39:1-7 NASB
"And you, son of man, prophesy against Gog and say, 'Thus says the Lord GOD, "Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal; and I will turn you around, drive you on, take you up from the remotest parts of the north and bring you against the mountains of Israel. "I will strike your bow from your left hand and dash down your arrows from your right hand. "You will fall on the mountains of Israel, you and all your troops and the peoples who are with you; I will give you as food to every kind of predatory bird and beast of the field. "You will fall on the open field; for it is I who have spoken," declares the Lord GOD. "And I will send fire upon Magog and those who inhabit the coastlands in safety; and they will know that I am the LORD. "My holy name I will make known in the midst of My people Israel; and I will not let My holy name be profaned anymore. And the nations will know that I am the LORD, the Holy One in Israel.

Ezekiel 39:17-22 NASB
"As for you, son of man, thus says the Lord GOD, 'Speak to every kind of bird and to every beast of the field, "Assemble and come, gather from every side to My sacrifice which I am going to sacrifice for you, as a great sacrifice on the mountains of Israel, that you may eat flesh and drink blood. "You will eat the flesh of mighty men and drink the blood of the princes of the earth, as though they were rams, lambs, goats and bulls, all of them fatlings of Bashan. "So you will eat fat until you are glutted, and drink blood until you are drunk, from My sacrifice which I have sacrificed for you. "You will be glutted at My table with horses and charioteers, with mighty men and all the men of war," declares the Lord GOD. "And I will set My glory among the nations; and all the nations will see My judgment which I have executed and My hand which I have laid on them. "And the house of Israel will know that I am the LORD their God from that day onward.

Ezekiel 39:25-29 NASB
Therefore thus says the Lord GOD, "Now I will restore the fortunes of Jacob and have mercy on the whole house of Israel; and I will be jealous for My holy name. "They will forget their disgrace and all their treachery which they perpetrated against Me, when they live securely on their own land with no one to make them afraid. "When I bring them back from the peoples and gather them from the lands of their enemies, then I shall be sanctified through them in the sight of the many nations. "Then they will know that I am the LORD their God because I made them go into exile among the nations, and then gathered them again to their own land; and I will leave none of them there any longer. "I will not hide My face from them any longer, for I will have poured out My Spirit on the house of Israel," declares the Lord GOD.

Isaiah 2:1-5 NASB
The word which Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. Now it will come about that In the last days The mountain of the house of the LORD Will be established as the chief of the mountains, And will be raised above the hills; And all the nations will stream to it. And many peoples will come and say, "Come, let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, To the house of the God of Jacob; That He may teach us concerning His ways And that we may walk in His paths." For the law will go forth from Zion And the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And He will judge between the nations, And will render decisions for many peoples; And they will hammer their swords into plowshares and their spears into pruning hooks. Nation will not lift up sword against nation, And never again will they learn war. Come, house of Jacob, and let us walk in the light of the LORD.

Isaiah 9:2-7 NASB
The people who walk in darkness Will see a great light; Those who live in a dark land, The light will shine on them. You shall multiply the nation, You shall increase their gladness; They will be glad in Your presence As with the gladness of harvest, As men rejoice when they divide the spoil. For You shall break the yoke of their burden and the staff on their shoulders, The rod of their oppressor, as at the battle of Midian. For every boot of the booted warrior in the battle tumult, And cloak rolled in blood, will be for burning, fuel for the fire. For a child will be born to us, a son will be given to us; And the government will rest on His shoulders; And His name will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Eternal Father, Prince of Peace. There will be no end to the increase of His government or of peace, On the throne of David and over his kingdom, To establish it and to uphold it with justice and righteousness From then on and forevermore. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will accomplish this.

Isaiah 65:17-25 NASB
"For behold, I create new heavens and a new earth; And the former things will not be remembered or come to mind. "But be glad and rejoice forever in what I create; For behold, I create Jerusalem for rejoicing And her people for gladness. "I will also rejoice in Jerusalem and be glad in My people; And there will no longer be heard in her The voice of weeping and the sound of crying. "No longer will there be in it an infant who lives but a few days, Or an old man who does not live out his days; For the youth will die at the age of one hundred And the one who does not reach the age of one hundred Will be thought accursed. "They will build houses and inhabit them; They will also plant vineyards and eat their fruit. "They will not build and another inhabit, They will not plant and another eat; For as the lifetime of a tree, so will be the days of My people, And My chosen ones will wear out the work of their hands. "They will not labor in vain, Or bear children for calamity; For they are the offspring of those blessed by the LORD, And their descendants with them. "It will also come to pass that before they call, I will answer; and while they are still speaking, I will hear. "The wolf and the lamb will graze together, and the lion will eat straw like the ox; and dust will be the serpent's food. They will do no evil or harm in all My holy mountain," says the LORD.


Title: Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?
Post by: Shammu on April 17, 2008, 11:59:11 PM
Oprah Starting Her Own Cult?

Thursday , April 17, 2008
By Roger Friedman

Oprah Winfrey may have gone too far in exploiting and distributing the teachings of a questionable New Age writer.

On Monday night, Winfrey conducted her weekly Web "event" seminar with New Age writer Eckhart Tolle. His message: "Life is the dancer and you are the dance."

Got that?

The seminar was No. 7 in a series of 10. On the first 90-minute Webcast with Tolle, Oprah extolled the author’s virtues, calling his best-selling "New Earth" book "one of the most important books of our time," the seminars one of "the most exciting things I’ve ever done."

Imagine that Winfrey considers her conversations with Tolle, a man with a shady and un-checkable background, more important than her schools in Africa and Mississippi for underprivileged children, more important than her Angel Charity network or her zillion-dollar syndicated TV show. Tolle must be something else!

But it’s not like Winfrey is endorsing Maya Angelou or Toni Morrison, serious, educated artists with portfolios. Tolle is more like Kilgore Trout, Kurt Vonnegut’s science-fiction crackpot alter-ego.

And what’s different about the Tolle connection for Winfrey is that for the first time in her much-applauded Book Club’s history, she’s gone into business with the author. And the author is not one of a novel, memoir or cookbook; he’s the mysterious creator of a philosophy that Winfrey endorses and suggests her readers live their lives by.

But is Eckhart Tolle an appropriate spiritual leader? He told an interviewer that he stopped going to school at age 13 and didn’t resume any education for at least a decade. In the same interview he says he graduated "with the highest mark at the London University."

The press rep at the University of London says there’s simply no way to verify that. "You might as well say you graduated from here," joked the person I spoke to. Clever.

He says in interviews that he had a personal epiphany in 1977 at age 29 after a life of suffering from suicidal depression. For the next 15 years, no one knows much about what happened to him, and he’s not saying. He says he spent time wandering and sitting in London’s parks, with "no relationships, no job, no home, no socially defined identity," but a sense of "intense joy."

In seminar 1, Oprah’s new guru tells her: "I was living in England, and I had this strong impulse one morning … I had to move to the West Coast of North America without knowing why … So I moved to Vancouver and then I took a Greyhound bus to California, knew only one or two people, and I said, 'Why am I here?'"

"Three weeks passed, somebody put me up in a room near San Francisco, and suddenly this came. I bought a notepad and suddenly the strong stream came through and I wrote, 'What Is Enlightenment?' The beginning of 'The Power of Now.' The moment I wrote that, I knew this is the book that wants to be born. So rather than me wanting to write a book, there was a book that wanted to be written."

And so on.

Oprah’s response to this: "It’s like Michelangelo says the angel’s in the marble and he just cuts away the marble."

Well, not quite.

His books, "The Power of Now" and "A New Earth," are the same gobbledygook as most New Age stuff. They’re all about self-empowering and how to find out who we are. "Awakening" is Tolle’s key word. Tolle is very busy enforcing moments of silence and showing his readers how to find their "pain-body."

Nothing new there. And nothing new for Oprah, who’s now so wildly wealthy that she’s exceeded literally any famous person she might interview. Parade magazine puts her 2007 income at $260 million, the most of any celebrity and $150 million more than Steven Spielberg, the most successful filmmaker of all time. So what can she do besides anoint presidential candidates or start a religion?

Indeed, Winfrey already has flirted with several cult-like New Age deals. She’s enthusiastically embraced the Scientology celebrities like Tom Cruise and John Travolta. She’s even gone into business with Kirstie Alley, whom she’s planning to give a forum in her own talk show.

She’s also promoted televangelist Marianne Williamson’s kooky "Course of Miracles" and a book of New Age clichés by Australian Rhonda Byrne called "The Secret." (There’s a good piece on the latter at salon.com.)

Winfrey is nothing if not gifted at recognizing what’s already popular in the culture and exploiting it. But her association with Tolle is way over the top. It involves sponsorships with General Motors (Chevy), 3M Corp. (Post-Its) and Skype Internet phone service. In one broad stroke, she’s managed to accomplish what Scientology never has achieved: bringing corporate America’s implicit approval into religion.

What’s interesting is not so much Tolle, with his German accent and blank stare, proselytizing his nonsense. He talks a lot, literally, about looking at flowers and trees in a new way, much like Chauncey Gardner in "Being There."

It’s more about Oprah herself, free associating, selling out her own world as she gushes over those flowers and trees. For example, in seminar 1, she socks it to Hollywood, the source of 50 percent of her guests. This is the same Oprah who does a live special the day after the Oscars and often plugs the worst films just to get ratings.

In that segment, Oprah seems to forget who she is to score points with Tolle, or rationalize why she’s involved in this beyond the corporate money being reaped:

"Everyone complains about the media and the movies. I mean, if you just look at the Academy Awards this year, and the kinds of movies that were made this year, and it’s all a reflection of who we are. You say in the book," Winfrey says to Tolle, "that we’re the species that will go and watch people be maimed and killed and murdered for our entertainment."

We can assume she wasn’t talking about "Juno," "The Diving Bell and the Butterfly," "The Savages," "Enchanted," "Atonement," "La Vie En Rose," "Michael Clayton," "Elizabeth: The Golden Age," "Into the Wild," "Away from Her" or "Charlie Wilson’s War" — all films that had nominations. Just three films featured overt violence this year — "No Country for Old Men," "There Will Be Blood" and "Sweeney Todd."

But it’s the zealous excitement in Winfrey’s eyes when she says it that makes the difference. Those three films are now the whole Academy Awards, and therefore "the media." You can already feel hearts pounding! She’s right! Hollywood had better look at flowers and trees in a new way.

What makes Oprah’s seminars even more creepy are the "study groups" she has lined up for Tolle at bookstores and other locations around the world. They’re all hooked up to the seminars through Skype, and the members can ask questions. They all have that same glazed-over look as people giving testimonials on late-night infomercials.

"I consider this to be a sacred moment when we can all come together … and share in this work," Winfrey says at the start of seminar 6. And why not? You’ll notice that she, not Tolle, has the sole copyright on the broadcasts. Ka ching!

But don’t worry about Eckhart Tolle. His "power of now" is all about his store. All roads lead to his merchandise, which is prominently featured on his Web site and accessed from Oprah’s.

His is a costly philosophy. Books, tapes, DVDs — all of it becomes quite expensive when added up, making Tolle no different than Scientology, Kabbalah or any other shiny new religion. Tolle even sells teaching tools "for professionals" — "A Guide for the Spiritual Teacher and Health Practitioner" — even though it’s unclear what is the basis of his own educational background.

Are we supposed to take this seriously? As Tolle, himself, says to Oprah, "It’s better to laugh at madness."

Oprah Starting Her Own Cult? (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,351545,00.html)
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Y'all may want to check out Cults, Different groups (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=6468.msg91052#msg91052), right here on Christians Unite forum.


Title: Praying Passenger is Removed From Plane at New York Airport
Post by: Shammu on April 18, 2008, 01:10:55 AM
Praying Passenger is Removed From Plane at New York Airport

Thursday , April 17, 2008

NEW YORK  —
A passenger who left his seat to pray in the back of a plane before it took off, ignoring flight attendants' orders to return, was removed by an airport security guard, a witness and the airline said.

The Orthodox Jewish man, who wore a full beard, a black hat and a long black coat, stood near the lavatories and began saying his prayers while the United Airlines jet was being boarded at John F. Kennedy International Airport on Wednesday night, fellow passenger Ori Brafman said.

When flight attendants urged the man, who was carrying a religious book, to take his seat, he ignored them, Brafman said. Two friends, who were seated, tried to tell the attendants that the man couldn't stop until his prayers were over in about 2 minutes, he said.

"He doesn't respond to them, but his friends explain that once you start praying you can't stop," said Brafman, who was seated three rows away.

When the man finally stopped praying, he explained that he couldn't interrupt his religious ritual and wasn't trying to be rude. But the attendants summoned a guard to remove him, said Brafman, a writer who had been visiting New York to talk to publishers.

The plane, Flight 9 to San Francisco, took off without the man. It landed at its destination as scheduled, Brafman said by telephone from his home there.

Robin Urbanski, a spokeswoman for United Airlines, a subsidiary of UAL Corp. with headquarters in Chicago, confirmed the man was taken off the plane and put on another flight Thursday morning.

Urbanksi said flights cannot depart if all passengers are not in their seats, which risks a delay, and it is important that passengers listen to the instructions of the flight crew.

The Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, which runs area airports, and the Transportation Safety Administration, which handles airport security, said Thursday they weren't involved in the incident.

http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,351638,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,351638,00.html)
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Well, if he was muslim, most likely nothing would have been said.


Title: Father, Son Banned From U.K. Swimming Pool for Not Being Muslim
Post by: Shammu on April 18, 2008, 01:12:51 AM
Father, Son Banned From U.K. Swimming Pool for Not Being Muslim

Thursday , April 17, 2008

A father and his 10-year-old son were barred from swimming at a U.K. sports center because they are not Muslims, the London Daily Mail reported Thursday.

The father, identified only as David T., told the newspaper that he and his son were stopped before going for a swim at the Clissold Leisure Centre in east London on Sunday morning.

What the father and son didn’t know was that the pool had been holding a "men-only modesty session" for Muslims at the time, one of several early morning get-togethers aimed at community groups with strict segregation rules, the Daily Mail reported.

"I asked whether my son and I could go as we were both male," David T. told the paper. "I was told that the session was for Muslims only and that we could not be admitted."

Red-faced managers at the complex said their staff was wrong to turn away the swimmers.

"The member of staff the user spoke with at the time was mistaken when referring to the session as Muslim only," a leisure center spokesman told the Daily Mail. "The men's modesty session is not a private [event] and is, therefore, open to the public. Muslim men and others can attend."

Father, Son Banned From U.K. Swimming Pool for Not Being Muslim (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,351593,00.html)


Title: Methodists defer key Israeli divestment measure
Post by: Shammu on April 18, 2008, 01:25:53 AM
Methodists defer key Israeli divestment measure

By Michael Conlon, Religion Writer Thu Apr 17, 5:37 PM ET

CHICAGO (Reuters) - United Methodist Church officials on Thursday put aside a proposal that called for the church to divest some of its holdings in companies profiting from Israel's West Bank occupation.

The proposed measure called on the 8 million-member church -- the third-largest U.S. denomination -- to divest any holdings it had in Caterpillar Inc. by January 1.

The Peoria, Illinois, heavy equipment manufacturer sells bulldozers that the Israeli Army has used to demolish buildings in occupied territories.

About $5 million of the church's $17 billion pension portfolio is invested in Caterpillar, according to the church.

The Methodist General Board of Church & Society said it would not present the measure at the church's quadrennial policy-setting General Conference next week in Texas because the dialogue it already sparked with Caterpillar had produced positive results.

Thursday's decision does not mean that the divestment issue is dead when the Methodists meet in Fort Worth from April 23 to May 2. There are several other proposals, including a broader one stating that the church has $141 million invested in several companies "that enable the occupation to continue" and that should be dumped.

The board said the other proposals still deserve consideration by the meeting.

Caterpillar and the proposal from the General Board of Church & Society, however, had been considered a central measure for the debate, according to Rabbi Gary Greenebaum, director of interreligious affairs for the American Jewish Committee.

The church and society board said "Caterpillar has opened discussions with the board, issued a statement denouncing immoral use of its equipment, and has agreed to continued dialogue," the board said in a statement.

It said face-to-face discussions beginning in January between the board and Caterpillar executives, including chief executive James Owens, resulted in the company condemning "illegal or immoral use of any Caterpillar equipment."

Owens is a member of the church.

The divestment concept has been considered off and on by several U.S. churches but none has actually dumped any stock in companies they say are making money by selling products or services to Israel.

The statement from the church and society board said the Presbyterian Church USA and the Roman Catholic Dominican Sisters recently withdrew shareholder resolution on human rights they had planned to present at Caterpillar's annual meeting.

That action came "in light of its stated expectations that customers will use its products in an environmentally responsible manner and consistent with international humanitarian law and norms," the board said.

Methodists defer key Israeli divestment measure (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080417/us_nm/methodists_divestment_dc)


Title: Re: Methodists defer key Israeli divestment measure
Post by: Shammu on April 18, 2008, 01:28:09 AM

Israel is not now and never has "occupied" Judea and Samaria. Israel has reconquered the land God gave them from the Arab Islamic invaders. Reference........ Ezekiel 37 (Amplified Bible) (http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ezekiel%2037&version=45)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Maryjane on April 18, 2008, 10:55:27 AM
The more I reqd thi the more I think about.."set your mind on things above"..


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 18, 2008, 11:15:32 AM
The more I reqd thi the more I think about.."set your mind on things above"..

AMEN MARYJANE!

Sister, for Christians our HOME is ABOVE, and many of us are becoming pretty anxious to go HOME. EVIL is pretty quickly taking over this world, and this world is becoming an unpleasant place. However, this world has always been unpleasant compared to HOME, and Christians have work that GOD wants us to do. For now, our part is to yield to GOD and ask HIM to use us however HE Will for HIS Glory. Regardless, our time here on this earth will be short, but our time at HOME in HEAVEN will be for Eternity. May GOD give us all the guidance, strength, and courage to do HIS Will until HE takes us HOME.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!


Title: Down's syndrome boy charged after playground spat with Asian girl
Post by: Shammu on April 19, 2008, 03:04:01 PM
Down's syndrome boy charged after playground spat with Asian girl

By NATASHA COURTENAY-SMITH
17th April 2008

Until recently, Fiona Bauld thought her 18-year-old son Jamie had not fully grasped the gravity of the situation he found himself in.

It brought her solace that her child, who has Down's syndrome and the mental age of a five-year-old, hadn't fully comprehended the charges of racism and assault against him, let alone begun to contemplate the consequences.

But one night shortly after Christmas, as the family watched TV, Fiona realised to her horror that Jamie was not as oblivious as she'd hoped.

A scene featuring a prison appeared on screen, at which point Jamie said quietly: "I don't want to go to jail, Mum. Please don't let them take me away." He then burst into tears.

"I rushed over, put my arms around him and told him everything was going to be fine," says Fiona.

"All through this nightmare I've done my best to put on a smile and act normally around Jamie, simply to protect him from everything that was happening. But that night, as he sobbed in my arms, I wasn't sure everything would be OK.

"My worst fear was that Jamie would be taken away somewhere that I wouldn't be able to protect him. I said: 'Jamie, you're not going to prison', but I found myself in tears, too."

When Fiona - who lives in Cumbernauld, Lanarkshire, with her husband James, 46, a telecommunications contractor, and their daughter Stephanie, 17 - uses the word "nightmare" she is making no understatement.

Hers is a situation so ridiculous it would be laughable, had the potential ramifications not been so serious.

Her story also serves as a disturbing example of how extreme political correctness can allow minor of incidents to be blown out of all proportion.

The events which have brought her such anguish in recent months begun with what was effectively a playground spat between two individuals with special needs.

It soon escalated into a seven-month criminal investigation that could have resulted in Fiona's son being hauled before a court and left with a criminal record.

Last September, Jamie - who is 18 but cannot even tie his own shoelaces, needs help on the lavatory, mustn't be left alone in the house and still relies on his mother to tuck him up in bed at night - had an altercation with an Asian girl of a similar age, also a pupil at the special needs department of Motherwell College in Lanarkshire, where Jamie is a student.

Put quite simply - girl irritated boy, boy pushed girl and told her to go away. Then, girl responded by telling her teacher.

The two were sent their separate ways and their parents informed about the falling out.

Given their mental ages, it was no more significant than a playground spat between two five-year-olds. That should have been the end of it.

Instead, a notice was placed in the local newspaper - it is not known by whom - asking for witnesses to a "racial assault" at the college on the day in question.

Whether this notice led to the police investigation, or whether the family of the girl contacted them directly is still not clear. Either way, just over a week later, Jamie was charged with racism and assault.

It was an insane example of overzealous political correctness; a local zero-tolerance policy on racism taken to its extremes without any common sense being applied, let alone consideration for the unusual circumstances of the individuals involved.

After months of stress and fear, the Baulds' ordeal came to an end yesterday when, in a remarkable climbdown, the Crown Office issued a formal apology to the family for any distress caused over the past seven months.

All charges have now been dropped, but this, says Fiona, is not enough.

Not only have they encountered confusion, red tape and a lack of compassion in their dealings with the Scottish legal system, they are left fearing that Jamie will forever have a blot on his reputation as a result of being charged at all.

"Our family has been put through a terrible ordeal over nothing," says Fiona. "It is utterly ridiculous that the authorities brought adult charges against our son, who was not only innocent, but clearly unable to comprehend why he was in trouble.

"For instance, when the police arrived to interview Jamie, he welcomed them with a big smile and a handshake. As they read him his rights, he said thank you for coming to see him, and agreed with everything they said."

Those with Down's syndrome often agree with whatever they are told simply to please other people.

Fiona continues: "I said: 'Do you realise he doesn't understand what you are saying?' while the police officers shifted uncomfortably and admitted they had no training in dealing with anyone with special needs.

"But the official process had by then swung into action. From that point on, it seemed there was nothing my husband or I could do to halt it."

It's clear that Fiona dotes on her son. Not only is she frequently tearful as she recalls the past seven months, but she describes how she happily gave up her career in hairdressing to become Jamie's full-time carer.

It was, she says, the only thing she could do given the circumstances she found herself in.

"We had no idea before Jamie was born that he had Down's syndrome, and we were told the diagnosis when he was just 24 hours old," she recalls.

"At the time, I was deeply upset - to the point where I had to be sedated. But that passed, and if I'd known what I know now, I wouldn't have given two hoots about the diagnosis.

"By the time I fell pregnant with his sister, my attitude was that if she has Down's syndrome too, then that's fine by me. I adored Jamie, and didn't wished things had been different."

Raising Jamie has, nonetheless, been far from an easy task. He has suffered from respiratory and bowel problems, which have seen his parents spend weeks sitting at his hospital bedside.

On two occasions - when Jamie was ten months old and when he was four - Fiona and James were told to prepare themselves for the worst.

"Hospitals have become a second home to me over the years," says Fiona. "I've spent weeks - months even - at Jamie's bedside. But I've always seen him as a fighter, and no matter what the doctors have told me, I've always known I'll be bringing my boy home again.

"Thankfully, he's always proven me right, refusing to give up even when doctors said there was no hope."

Since reaching his teens, Jamie's health has improved and Fiona has watched her son blossom.

"Jamie has got through school, and is now doing a life skills course at Motherwell College, which makes me burst with pride," she says. "He has friends, he's sociable and chatty.

"He's a very loving, kind person. He dotes on his sister, and if she is out, he refuses to go to bed until she gets in."

Indeed, so placid is Jamie, says Fiona, that he steadfastly refused to respond to the provocation of a year of severe bullying at secondary school.

"One boy really started picking on Jamie when he was about 14, and made his life a misery," says Fiona. "He punched him in the face, kicked him on numerous occasions, ripped his clothes and even smashed his glasses.

"Jamie used to come home and tell us he couldn't hit this boy back because they were friends. My son simply has not a got a streak of violence in him, and is so laid back that we always joke that he's horizontal."

With this in mind, Fiona was instantly doubtful when she heard Jamie was being accused of hitting the girl at college. She wasn't, however, surprised to hear a dispute had taken place, because her son had already complained of the girl in question.

cont'd next post


Title: Re: Down's syndrome boy charged after playground spat with Asian girl
Post by: Shammu on April 19, 2008, 03:04:43 PM
"Before this incident at college, Jamie had told us on a couple of occasions that this girl kept following him, staring at him and putting her face really close to his without saying anything," says Fiona.

"We told him just to ignore her, and she'd soon get bored.

"Then, on September 4, we got a call from the college saying they'd had a falling out and Jamie had hit her. I talked to him, and he was adamant he hadn't hit her, but had pushed her away when he was eating lunch.

"I didn't take the event lightly at all - Jamie was meant to be staying with his aunt that night, but I grounded him, and we took away his Playstation for a few days, too.

"I believed him when he said he hadn't hit her, but I'm not a lax parent and I don't make allowances because of his disabilities. I wanted to make it clear to Jamie that falling out with students and pushing other people was not a good thing."

The family went away on holiday, putting the incident behind them. But on their return, they were notified by the college that the girl's family had contacted the police, who had taken it upon themselves to question other students and staff at the college.

They now wanted to talk to Jamie about allegations of racism and assault.

"I have to say, at first, the whole thing was so ridiculous I didn't take it that seriously," says Fiona. "That said, I was really annoyed about the racism part of things. Jamie is far from racist. He doesn't even realise the difference between skin colours.

"But the college said the police were coming to interview Jamie and I thought: 'OK then, it won't do him any harm.'

"I still wanted to be sure Jamie understood he shouldn't have altercations with other students, and I thought a visit from the police would help him fully grasp that fact."

However, the police interview a few days later, Jamie was charged with racism and assault.

"I was panicking and saying it was crazy, that Jamie doesn't even understand things like upstairs and downstairs, whether a door is open or shut, but Jamie stood up, shook their hands and said: 'Thanks very much'," says Fiona.

"My husband and I didn't know then that we should have insisted the officers return with someone specialised in dealing with people with special needs, or perhaps we could have stopped the entire thing there and then."

The officers, says Fiona, were pleasant enough and advised the family "the case probably wouldn't come to anything".

They said they would explain to the Procurator Fiscal (a public officer in Scotland who prosecutes in petty cases) that Jamie had Down's syndrome.

They revealed that the girl had also admitted to scratching her own face - either to her family or to police officers.

But shortly after the visit, a letter arrived from the Procurator Fiscal saying the authorities had enough evidence to charge Jamie.

2That was when all hell broke loose for us as a family," says Fiona. "I read the letter with shaking hands, and I was crying my eyes out. I phoned the Procurator's office five times and asked if they knew Jamie had Down's syndrome, but no one would talk about the case with me.

"I went to the police, and no one there seemed to know what was going on. I would have been able laugh at the total chaos and incompetence were it not for the fact that I knew that, at 18, Jamie is technically an adult.

"I was genuinely terrified that he would end up in the dock on trial for something he didn't do."

During December, Fiona asked the family lawyer to write to the Procurator Fiscal's office explaining the situation. They did not receive a reply.

"We tried to carry on as normal, but I felt as though we were living on borrowed time, and Jamie was going to be taken away from me," says Fiona.

"It was as though there was an axe hanging over our head the entire time. We were living with this terrible sense of foreboding.

"The lowest point came when we were watching the prison scene on TV and Jamie started crying. It broke my heart because it made me feel as though I'd failed him.

"My natural instinct as a mother, especially a mother of a child with special needs, was to try and protect him from everything around him, and here he was, sobbing his heart out because he was so frightened."

It was only a fortnight ago - seven-and-a-half months after the initial incident - that the family received a brief letter from the Procurator Fiscal saying he would not be proceeding with the prosecution. There was no apology.

And despite the Crown's official apology yesterday, Fiona still feels that they were the victims of "political correctness gone mad".

A spokeswoman for Down's Syndrome Scotland is also horrified by the case and called for better handling and understanding.

She says "I've never met anyone with Down's syndrome who was racist. This incident should have been contained within the college. It has been very badly handled."

Next week, Jamie is due to return to college, and his mother thinks it is likely that he will forget the happenings of the past seven months long before she does.

"Jamie has said he's happy it's all over, and he is back to being his usual sunny self," says Fiona.

"At the moment, I still feel like a nervous wreck, and I'm determined to speak out because I want the people in official positions to think twice about what they are doing, and apply common sense to unique situations like these.

"But at least we can start to get on with our lives again. Last night, as I tucked Jamie up in bed, he asked me once again whether he was going to jail.

"This time, I was able to tell him that no, he definitely, definitely wasn't."

Down's syndrome boy charged after playground spat with Asian girl (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=560226&in_page_id=1770)


Title: Brits fear race violence will erupt
Post by: Shammu on April 19, 2008, 03:06:01 PM
Brits fear race violence will erupt

By Paul Majendie in London
April 18, 2008 07:45pm

ALMOST two out of three Britons fear race tensions could spill over into violence and half the population want immigrants to be encouraged to leave, a new poll shows.
In a country where the last serious race riots erupted seven years ago between white and Asian youths, the head of Britain's equality watchdog called the poll findings "alarming''.

"What worries me is if that friction starts to catch fire - if people genuinely believe it's going to catch fire - then we're in trouble,'' Equality and Human Rights Commission head Trevor Phillips said.

Of the 1000 people sounded out by Mori pollsters for the BBC, 60 per cent said Britain had too many immigrants.

A quarter of those polled said their area did not feel like Britain any more because of immigration.

Just 20 percent admitted to being racially prejudiced.

Immigration is a sensitive political issue in Britain where hundreds of thousands of people have come to work in recent years, many from eastern European countries joining the European Union.

The main political parties agree immigration has boosted Britain's economy but critics argue that migration has undercut British-born workers and strained public services.

The threat from radical Islam, rammed home by the 2005 London bombings that killed 52 people, sparked a debate about just how successful Britain has been as a multicultural society and provoked calls for greater integration of ethnic minorities.

The BBC poll marked the 40th anniversary of an infamous "rivers of blood'' speech by Conservative politician Enoch Powell who expressed fears about levels of immigration and how the indigenous population felt "a sense of alarm and resentment''.

"As I look ahead, I am filled with foreboding, like the Roman, I seem to see the River Tiber foaming with much blood,'' he said.

Brits fear race violence will erupt (http://www.news.com.au/story/0,23599,23561975-23109,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on April 19, 2008, 03:45:47 PM
Them too, uh?


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 20, 2008, 01:59:41 PM
Children's hospital launches sex change for kids program
'This isn't conjecture, it's happening now'

A doctor at the renowned Children's Hospital Boston has launched a new program to drug children to delay puberty so they can decide whether they want a male or a female body, according to a report today in the Boston Globe.

Pediatric endocrinologist Norman Spack, 64, says he started the Gender Management Service Clinic because he found himself encountering 20-somethings who were "transgendered" and in good shape socially, "but they were having trouble getting their physique to conform to their identity.

"I knew the 20-somethings could have better chances of passing if they were treated earlier," he said.

"We don't think that demonic is too strong a word to describe this," said a statement from the pro-family Mass Resistance organization. "It brings us thoughts of the Nazi doctors who thought they were doing good things."

WND has reported previously on some of the controversies prompted by the belief that a man can be born in a woman's body, or vice versa, including in Montgomery County, Md., where county officials have adopted a law that precludes those who provide public accommodations from discriminating based on that "gender identity."

Voters there have petitioned to have a vote on that law because they fear men who "decide" they are female walking into women's restrooms and locker rooms.

"Is this our future?" asked Mass Resistance in a commentary. "Dr. Norman Spack runs a clinic for young children who've 'decided' they are transgendered. Among other things, the clinic administers powerful hormones to delay (or even stop) puberty in order that the children more easily undergo operations that mutilate their bodies to 'change' them to the opposite sex."

"This is going on at the world-renowned Children's Hospital in Boston – not some backwater clinic. This is the elite of the medical profession," the organization said.

In a question-and-answer session with Globe columnist Pagan Kennedy, she starts the apologetic for doing surgery on children by saying, "Little boys sob unless they're allowed to wear dresses. The girls want to be called Luke, Ted, or James."

"Until recently, children with cross-gender feelings rarely received modern medical care – and certainly not hormone shots. After all, who would allow a child to redesign his or her body?" she asks.

But Spack, she wrote, has started a clinic that "is one of the few in the world to give children treatments that change their bodies."

She reports he uses drugs to delay puberty, "granting them a few more years before they develop bodies that are decidedly male or female."

Spack tells the interviewer he's seen "preadolescents" who have been dressing in underwear of the opposite sex "for years."

"The puberty-blocking drugs work best at the beginning of the pubital process, typically age 10 to 12 for a girl and 12 to 14 for a boy," he said. He's based some of his work on a Dutch model for sex-change, and said the recommendations there are age 16 for hormones that forever change a child's body.

But "for others," he wrote, "you lose opportunities if you wait. [One of my patients, a] transgendered girl from the UK, was destined to be a 6-foot-4 male. With treatment, she's going to end up 5-foot-10."

He said such treatments not only change the physical characteristics of the growing children, but also could leave them sterile for life.

"You have to explain to the patients that if they go ahead, they may not be able to have children. … But if you don't start treatment, they will always have trouble fitting in," he said.

"This isn't conjecture," Mass Resistance' commentary said. "It's happening now. And 'transgenderism' is being promoted to kids by homosexual/transgender activists in the public schools."

Children as young as 12 already have been given the treatment.

Meanwhile, LifeSiteNews has reported that Spack previously acknowledged that only about 20 percent of children who claim to have a confusion over their gender hold those feelings in adulthood.

The hospital itself calls the program "unique in the Western hemisphere."

"This will be the first major program in the country that … [is] also welcoming young people who appear to be transgendered and are considering medical protocols that might help them," Spack said.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on April 20, 2008, 05:22:14 PM
This really gotcha8es me off.  And if I'm gotcha8ed off just imagine what God is!  (Sorry.  Couldn't think of another word)


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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 20, 2008, 06:11:36 PM
I fully understand your anger, sister. There are many happening today, especially those involving children, that angers me beyond words.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 20, 2008, 08:42:39 PM
As far as I'm concerned, this is PURE EVIL and definitely a SIGN OF THE TIME.

There are all kinds of horrible diseases that our best doctors should be working on. The diseases I'm talking about cause REAL PAIN AND REAL DEATH.


Title: Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday
Post by: Shammu on April 22, 2008, 12:25:55 AM
Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday :'( :'(

By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer Sun Apr 20, 3:49 PM ET

JERUSALEM - Dozens of Greek and Armenian priests and worshippers exchanged blows at one of Christianity's holiest shrines on Orthodox Palm Sunday, and used palm fronds to pummel police who tried to break up the brawl.

The fight came amid growing rivalry over religious rights at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built over the site in Jerusalem where tradition says Jesus was buried and resurrected.

It erupted when Armenian clergy kicked out a Greek priest from their midst, pushed him to the ground and kicked him, according to witnesses.

When police intervened, some worshippers hit them with the palm fronds they were holding for the religious holiday. The Eastern Orthodox churches, including the Armenians and Greek Orthodox, follow a different calendar from Western Christians and celebrate Easter next Sunday.

Two Armenian worshippers who attacked the Greek Orthodox clergy were briefly detained by Israeli police. Scores of Armenian supporters then protested outside the police station during the questioning of the two, beating drums and chanting.

The Holy Sepulcher is shared by several Christian denominations according to a centuries-old arrangement known as the "status quo."

Each denomination jealously guards its share of the basilica, and fights over rights at the church have intensified in recent years, particularly between the Armenians and Greeks.

Father Pakrad, an Armenian priest, said the presence of the Greek priest during the Armenian observances violated the status quo. "Our priests entered the tomb. They kicked the Greek monk out of the Edicule," he said, referring to the tomb area.

Pakrad accused the Greek Orthodox Christians of trying to step on the Armenians' rights. "We are the weak ones, persecuted by them for many centuries."

The Greek Orthodox Patriarch in the Holy Land, Theofilos III, told The Associated Press that the Armenians are pushing to change the rules, challenging what he said was the dominance of the Greek church in the Holy Land.

"This behavior is criminal and unacceptable by all means," he said. "They wanted to trespass on the status quo concerning the order that regulates the services between the various communities."

The Church of the Nativity in nearby Bethlehem — where Jesus is said to have been born — also falls under the status quo arrangement. Last year, pre-Christmas cleaning in that church turned ugly when robed Greek Orthodox and Armenian priests went at each other with brooms and stones.

Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080420/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_clashing_christians;_ylt=ApYMc0OKdKif4YXi74Stw_ALewgF)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 29, 2008, 01:45:40 PM
Half man, half chimp - should we beware the apeman's coming?

A LEADING scientist has warned a new species of "humanzee," created from breeding apes with humans, could become a reality unless the government acts to stop scientists experimenting.
In an interview with The Scotsman, Dr Calum MacKellar, director of research at the Scottish Council on Human Bioethics, warned the controversial draft Human Fertilisation and Embryology Bill did not prevent human sperm being inseminated into animals.

He said if a female chimpanzee was inseminated with human sperm the two species would be closely enough related that a hybrid could be born.

He said scientists could possibly try to develop the new species to fill the demand for organ donors.

Leading scientists say there is no reason why the two species could not breed, although they question why anyone would want to try such a technique.

Other hybrid species already created include crossed tigers and lions and sheep and goats.

Dr MacKellar said he feared the consequences if scientists made a concerted effort to cross humans with chimpanzees. He said: "Nobody knows what they would get if they tried hard enough. The insemination of animals with human sperm should be prohibited.

"The Human Fertilisation and Embryo Bill prohibits the placement of animal sperm into a woman The reverse is not prohibited. It's not even mentioned. This should not be the case."

He said if the process was not banned, scientists would be "very likely" to try it, and it would be likely humans and chimps could successfully reproduce.

"If you put human sperm into a frog it would probably create an embryo, but it probably wouldn't go very far," he said.

"But if you do it with a non-human primate it's not beyond the realms of possibility that it could be born alive."

Dr MacKellar said the resulting creature could raise ethical dilemmas, such as whether it would be treated as human or animal, and what rights it would have.

"If it was never able to be self-aware or self-conscious it would probably be considered an animal," he said. "However, if there was a possibility of humanzees developing a conscience, you have a far more difficult dilemma on your hands."

He said fascination would be enough of a motive for scientists to try crossing the two species.

But he also said there was a small chance of scientists using the method to "humanise" organs for transplant into humans. "There's a desperate need for organs. One of the solutions that has been looked at is using animal organs, but because there's a very serious risk of rejection using animal organs in humans they are already trying to humanise these organs.

"If they could create these humanzees who are substantially human but are not considered as humans in law , we could have a large provision of organs."

He wrote to the Department of Health to ask that the gap in the draft legislation be addressed.

The department confirmed that the bill "does not cover the artificial insemination of an animal with human sperm".

It said: "Owing to the significant differences between human and animal genomes, they are incompatible and the development of a foetus or progeny is impossible.

"Therefore such activity would have no rational scientific justification, as there would be no measurable outcome."

Dr MacKellar disagrees. He said: "The chromosomal difference between a goat and a sheep is greater than between humans and chimpanzees."

Professor Bob Millar, director of the Medical Research Council Human Reproductive Sciences Unit, based in Edinburgh, agreed viable offspring would be possible. He said: "Donkeys can mate with horses and create infertile offspring; maybe that could happen with chimpanzees."

But he said he would oppose any such attempt. "It's unnecessary and ridiculous and no serious scientist would consider such a thing. Ethically, it's not appropriate.

"It's also completely impractical. Chimps would never be a source of organs for humans because of the viruses they carry and the low numbers."

Professor Hugh McLachlan, professor of applied philosophy at Glasgow Caledonian University's School of Law and Applied Sciences, said although the idea was "troublesome", he could see no ethical objections to the creation of humanzees.

"Any species came to be what it is now because of all sorts of interaction in the past," he said.

"If it turns out in the future there was fertilisation between a human animal and a non-human animal, it's an idea that is troublesome, but in terms of what particular ethical principle is breached it's not clear to me.

"I share their squeamishness and unease, but I'm not sure that unease can be expressed in terms of an ethical principle."

A Department of Health spokeswoman said: "It's just not a problem. If you inseminate an animal with human sperm, scientifically nothing happens. The species barriers are too great."

HYBRIDS ARE AT CROSS PURPOSES

EVEN though hybrids of humans and animals have never been created, many other creatures have been crossed successfully.

Lions and tigers have been bred to create ligers, the world's largest cats.

And there are also zorses (zebra and horse), wholphins (whale and dolphin), tigons (tiger and lion), lepjags (leopard and jaguar) and zonkeys (zebra and donkey).

As well as these hybrid mammals, there are also hybrid birds, fish, insects and plants.

Many hybrids, such as mules, are sterile, which prevents the movement of genes from one species to another, keeping both species distinct. However, some can reproduce and there are scientists who believe that grey wolves and coyotes mated thousands of years ago to create a new species, the red wolf.

More commonly, hybrids mate with one of their parent species, which can influence the genetic mix of what gets passed along to subsequent generations.

Hybrids can have desirable traits, often being fitter or larger than either parent.

Most hybrid animals have been bred in captivity, but there are examples of the process occurring in the wild.

This is far more common in plants than animals but in April 2006 a hunter in Canada's North-west Territories shot a polar bear whose fur had an orange tint.

Research showed that it had a grizzly bear father, and it became known as a pizzly.

In 2003, DNA analysis confirmed that five odd-looking felines found in Maine and Minnesota were bobcat-lynx hybrids, dubbed blynxes.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 29, 2008, 01:55:23 PM
This is nothing new. Mankind has attempted many times to manipulate a cross-breeding with many different animals including chimpanzees and it has never been successful in recorded history. The cross-breeding of various large cats and horses with donkeys, zebras and like animals has produced what is known as hybrids as they are reproducing within their own kind. The cross-breeding of mankind with animals will not succeed without great difficulty and manipulation of many things (DNA, chromosomes, etc). Christ tells us in the Bible that He created each after their own kind and that man was indeed made unique from animals. This is just more of men trying to be god and attempting to prove that evolution is factual.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on April 30, 2008, 01:47:50 AM
I view the attempts for "humanzee" as EVIL!

Bluntly, GOD established nature and the laws of nature. ONLY mankind was formed in the "image of GOD". In fact, this is the interesting and quite appropriate foundation for many of our laws labeled as a "Crime Against Nature" - stated another way - A CRIME AGAINST GOD! Throughout history, there were harsh penalties for "Crimes Against Nature", including this part of the world. In fact, many of our laws have roots in the Laws of GOD.

Some people don't like the Laws of GOD or the adoption of these Laws by man. BLUNTLY, I WOULD SAY THAT MAN'S DISAGREEMENT WITH GOD IS SAD AND MEANS NOTHING TO ME! We've also seen harsh penalties for violations of GOD'S LAWS OF NATURE throughout history - either penalties imposed by mankind or penalties imposed by GOD - or BOTH! As an example, we are currently seeing an epidemic of deadly diseases caused directly by PERVERTED AND UNNATURAL SEXUAL ACTS! Five million people per day are dying with these deadly diseases, and many million more are waiting to die.

I firmly believe that the mixing of humans with apes will have horrible consequences - RIGHTLY SO! It's unthinkable for Christians to support anything like this IN ANY WAY - INCLUDING SILENCE! Our silence is many times the equivalent of calling something EVIL - GOOD!


Isaiah 5:20-23 NASB
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil; Who substitute darkness for light and light for darkness; Who substitute bitter for sweet and sweet for bitter! Woe to those who are wise in their own eyes And clever in their own sight! Woe to those who are heroes in drinking wine And valiant men in mixing strong drink, Who justify the wicked for a bribe, And take away the rights of the ones who are in the right!


Brothers and Sisters, we should simply call EVIL what it is - EVIL! We should also make sure that other people hear us. We are not ASHAMED of the Laws and Natural Orders established by GOD HIMSELF! Human beings are unique in that we were formed in the Image of GOD, so we ARE NOT BEASTS.


Title: Christians 'should wear veil'
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 01:56:25 AM
Christians 'should wear veil'

Natalie O'Brien | April 26, 2008

OUTSPOKEN Muslim cleric Taj Din al-Hilali says the Bible "mandates" the wearing of the veil by Christian women.

Writing in a new book, Sheik Hilali, who lost his job as mufti of Australia after comparing scantily clad women to uncovered meat, argues that the Bible and the Koran make similar demands of a woman's modesty.

Sheik Hilali, who remains the head of Australia's largest mosque, in the southwestern Sydney suburb of Lakemba, says the purpose of the book is to show the commonalities of Islam with the Jewish and Christian faiths when it comes to women's modesty and clothing.

In the soon-to-be published The Legitimacy of the Veil for Women of the Scripture - Evidence of the Veil in the Bible, the cleric points to references in the Old and New Testaments to women wearing a veil.

"Through this I hope to raise awareness and understanding and eliminate apprehensions and misunderstandings about the veil," he writes.

The Anglican Bishop of South Sydney, Robert Forsyth, yesterday challenged Sheik Hilali's comments about the veil being "mandated" in the Bible, saying they were misleading.

"The New Testament does call upon people to dress modestly," he said. "But there is no understanding that women are commanded to wear the veil. But it is mandated that you should dress appropriately for your social context."

Sheik Hilali also says the Virgin Mary is often depicted with a veil covering her head.

"The veil upholds the modesty and protects the dignity of women, whether Muslim or non-Muslim," he writes. "Wearing the veil creates the most realistic similarity with the Virgin Mary, the mother of Christ."

Sheik Hilali caused an uproar with a Ramadan sermon in 2006 in which he talked about immodestly dressed women being like "uncovered meat" and made remarks about Sydney's notorious gang rapes.

He has used the book to hit back at criticisms of his comments, which were given during a lesson to Muslim men and women on theft and adultery, and which he says were misinterpreted with "ill-intent" and with the intention to "slander" him.

He has included an "explanatory statement" to clarify his position, saying that rape is a heinous crime and the perpetrator deserves the maximum punishment. He also says women in Australia, or any Western society, have absolute freedom to wear whatever they like.

"The Muslim has no right to impose the rules of his religion on others. My religious duty is to advise the Muslim woman to be modest and to wear the Islamic dress. It is her choice whether to comply or not."

He said his comments about uncovered meat were drawn from an analogy used by the Arab writer Al-Rafii that uncovering flesh publicly may be degrading to the woman and may make her vulnerable to those with a diseased heart. "Through these words I wanted to protect women from rapists who have lost their humanity, lost their minds and religion.

"Whilst I believe that the rapists are responsible for their crimes, I wanted to protect my daughters by encouraging them to adopt all available lawful means of protection," he writes.

Sheik Hilali concedes that the uncovered meat example was not correct or appropriate for the Western mentality. "I did not mean this analogy to denigrate immodestly dressed women; rather I meant to denigrate those men who set aside their humanity and turn into predators."

Christians 'should wear veil' (http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,23600400-2702,00.html)
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The disrespect islam shows towards women makes any advice the men want to give to western women suspect and worthless. Clean your own house and then we can talk, at Porky's cafe. :D :D


Title: United Methodists Engage in Transgender Talks
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 01:59:31 AM
United Methodists Engage in Transgender Talks
By Audrey Barrick
Christian Post Reporter
Sat, Apr. 26 2008 12:06 PM ET

Hundreds of United Methodists have begun looking over some 1,500 petitions that have been proposed by those seeking change in church policies and structures, among other things, during the church's quadrennial gathering.

Much of the media spotlight, however, has fallen on two submitted petitions aimed at changing the United Methodist Church's current position on homosexuality. The church body holds that the practice of homosexuality is incompatible with Christian teaching.

One petition would state that homosexuality is a subject about which Christians disagree and the other would define marriage as the union of two loving adults.

To support gay and transgender church members, young Methodists from the Mosaic Youth Network are holding a 24-hour "drumming and rally," which began Friday at noon, outside the Fort Worth Conference Center in Texas, where the United Methodist General Conference is taking place. Recent General Conferences have seen protests by gay-rights advocates, some of whom were arrested for disrupting proceedings.

Debates on whether gay Christians can be ordained as clergy have gone on for decades in the denomination and most recently, controversy has erupted over transgendered persons.

The Rev. Drew Phoenix, pastor of St. John's United Methodist Church in Baltimore, sparked debate when the transgender minister was allowed last year to remain pastor of the church. Phoenix, who previously led the church as the Rev. Ann Gordon, underwent surgery and hormone therapy to become male.

The ruling was made by the United Methodist Church's highest council, affirming a 2006 decision to reappoint Phoenix as pastor. The court agreed that while the denomination bars self-avowed practicing gay clergy from ordination and does not support gay unions, the United Methodist Book of Discipline says nothing about gender change.

The Rev. Karen Booth, executive director of Transforming Congregations, an organization she says ministers to “sexually confused, sinful and broken people," believes transgender people exhibit a “deep, psychological conflict,” according to the United Methodist News Service.

While the church should minister to them, she says, leadership should not be an option.

“We recognize that there are, in fact, people who are unfortunately born with a chromosomal blueprint that is ambiguous. That is a valid medical condition that needs to be addressed,” she said, as reported by UMNS. “Most of what we see is more of a psychological state where a person says, ‘I don’t feel like I’m in the right body.’ We believe that’s a blurring of the distinct way God created us as male and female.”

Phoenix argues that transgenderism is compatible with Christian teaching.

"It was in the context of my faith in Christ, led by the Spirit, that I made the transition (of gender)," Phoenix said. “We want to be known as the children God created us to be. That’s been my experience with my church, across the board."

"I can say that I have come home to the child that God created me to me, and I’m very joyful, whole and peaceful,” Phoenix said Thursday at a press conference sponsored by pro-gay group Affirmation during the General Conference in Fort Worth.

Booth, meanwhile, says it's ironic that "gays and lesbians say, 'God created me this way' whereas transgender people say, 'God made a mistake.'"

"There's a real inconsistency here," she said.

Booth submitted petitions to the General Conference for church policy to state that neither transgenderism nor transsexuality "reflects God's best intentions for humankind."

United Methodists Engage in Transgender Talks (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080426/32129_Transgender_Talks_Begin_at_United_Methodist_Meeting.htm)
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2 Timothy 4:3-4 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths.


Title: Atheists push own holidays
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 02:09:11 AM
Atheists push own holidays

April 27, 2008

By Karen Goldberg Goff - Now that Earth Day is over, let the planning begin for the summer solstice and World Humanist Day in June.

The Institute for Humanist Studies, an Albany, N.Y.-based nonprofit, is calling attention to its calendar of atheist holidays on its Web site, secular seasons. The group wants nonbelievers (or at least people who don't celebrate religious holidays) to have a handy reference guide of the calendar of holidays honoring free-thinkers, banned books and nature, among other themes.

Matt Cherry, executive director of the Institute for Humanist Studies, said his group is trying to expand options and alternatives for secular holidays. He said he hopes even people affiliated with a particular religion will consider the options.

"Some religious holidays are about culture and tradition, not theology," he says. "Even people who go to church only on Christmas or to synagogue on the High Holidays do so out of cultural heritage, not because they believe the religious doctrines associated with it."

Some of the highlights of the Secular Seasons calendar include Thomas Paine Day (Jan. 29), April Fool's Day (as always, April 1), and Ingersoll Day (Aug. 11) — which celebrates the birthday of 19th-century thinker Robert Green Ingersoll, who was known as "the Great Agnostic." Secular Seasons recommends visiting his birthplace in Dresden, N.Y., for a holiday celebration. (Hey — you live only once.)

The site also breaks down the customs of Festivus, the holiday popularized by Jerry Stiller on "Seinfeld." In that episode, a Festivus pole is plain aluminum, made to contrast with the ornate Christmas trees; the official greeting is "Happy Festivus"; and each person complains to family and friends how they have disappointed the complainer in the past year.

Mr. Cherry said Darwin Day (Feb. 12) is growing in popularity. Charles Darwin's 200th birthday is in February 2009, and next year also will be the 150th anniversary of the publication of his book "The Origin of Species."

Honoring the man who helped us understand science and humanity is a reason to celebrate, said Mr. Cherry. His recommendations: Throw caution to the wind and attend a biology lecture or even have folks bring fossils to a party.

"This year, there will be almost 1,000 events for Darwin Day around the world," he said. "I hope Hallmark would come out with a card. There are lots of photos to celebrate evolution."

William J. Murray, chairman of the Religious Freedom Coalition, a Washington nonprofit, said the United States already has plenty of made-up holidays.

"We've got Valentine's Day, although that actually is a saint's holiday," he said. "We've got Mother's Day, Father's Day. If someone wants to make up a holiday, they can be my guest — as long as they are not going to impose that holiday on the vast majority of us who celebrate religious holidays.

"There is no smaller minority in this country than atheists," said Mr. Murray, son of the late Madalyn Murray O'Hair, who was once the nation's best-known atheist and from whom he became estranged when he embraced Christianity. "The proposition of [atheist holidays] is in itself ridiculous."

The recently released Pew Forum U.S. Religious Landscape Survey found that 16 percent of Americans consider themselves unaffiliated. However, most of that number (12 percent) said they were "nothing in particular," as opposed to the 1.6 percent who said they were atheist. Christians of various denominations make up the largest segment at 78 percent.

Meanwhile, Mr. Cherry and Secular Seasons are seeking suggestions from the public on holidays to add to the calendar.

"We've gotten more ideas for free-thinkers to be celebrated," said Mr. Cherry.

Among them: Jawaharlal Nehru, India's first prime minister; Mexican revolutionary statesman Benito Juarez; and Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, first president of modern Turkey.

Also suggested was an expanded observance of Cosmonautics Day, the Russian holiday on April 12 that celebrates Yuri Gagarin's first manned space orbit.

Since you just missed it, put the vodka and caviar away and get fired up for National Day of Reason in May, organized a few years ago to counteract the National Day of Prayer. Common customs: a day of care to help the elderly or disabled, and a blood drive.

Just don't expect a church service, or candy.

One more thing not to expect with atheist holidays: parades featuring pandering politicians trolling for votes.

Now that's cause for celebration.

Atheists push own holidays (http://www.washingtontimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20080427/NATION/901767056/1001&template=printart)
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Atheists push own holidays

I thought they already had April 1st....... ;D ;D ;D ;D

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He said he hopes even people affiliated with a particular religion will consider the options.

"Some religious holidays are about culture and tradition, not theology," he says. "Even people who go to church only on Christmas or to synagogue on the High Holidays do so out of cultural heritage, not because they believe the religious doctrines associated with it."

Why??

Is there something to be gained by this guy that he wants "religious" people to celebrate his holidays??


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 02:14:04 AM
Religious homosexuals hold first meeting

HOD group members convene in Jerusalem over weekend to discuss final version of 'gays' letter' seeking rabbis' acceptance. Organizers: It was a historic and exciting meeting
04.29.08

Almost three months have passed since the "gays' letter" was published on Ynet, and members of HOD – Gay Religious Group are forging on in their efforts to gain the religious society's recognition.

Last Thursday, some 70 religious homosexuals convened at a famous Jerusalem theater, in what was defined by the organizers as a "historic and exciting meeting."

The event was initiated by HOD leaders, Itai and Rabbi R., but was attended by representatives of all movements, including Chavruta – the religious section of the Jerusalem Open House for Pride and Tolerance.

During the meeting, the participants received the amended and final version of the letter sent to Israel's rabbis, after it was softened and changed following recommendations of rabbis, professionals and religious homosexuals.

The letter initiators now plan to ask a large number of rabbis and senior educators in the religious and ultra-Orthodox public to sign it.

"It was a very exciting event, which left people in tears," one of the organizers, Itai, told Ynet. He explained that the conference was aimed at receiving legitimization to operate on the religious homosexuals' behalf and lead the campaign aimed at gaining the religious leaders' support.

"All the activity was done so far behind the scenes, and all the communication with the people was via the internet or by phone. Now we saw the faces, and when we meet with the rabbis they will know that there are not only anonymous voices but a real public."

He added that the main difficulty was to arrange a meeting with the religious leaders, "but when things are viewed face-to-face both sides open up and start working together."

'70 gays together is a huge achievement'

Addressing the limited number of people who took part in the conference, Itai said, "Bringing 70 religious gays to such a conference is something one cannot even dream of. Everyone who posts a message on the website and, all the more so, arrived at the conference – is a huge achievement.

"It was attended by representatives of all the organizations, young religious and haredi people and even Jews from the US and Canada who identify with our situation.

"As far as we, the homosexuals, are concerned, everything is ready. We agreed to the changes in the letter, which have made it compromising and more acceptable, and now all we need is that the rabbis take up the gauntlet," Itai said. "If they refuse to sign it and make it public, it's like we did nothing."

According to Itai, "There are several rabbis who have already taken one step forward, but it's definitely not enough. We expect them to declare that the gays should and can remain religious, that people must not force them to marry, that conversion treatment do not suit everyone, that there is no ban on expressions of love and friendship between men, and particularly that the virtues between a man and his friend also apply to gay people."

The website managers report of close to 100,000 entries since it was launched, and a large number of appeals received via email.

"Many people finally feel like they have support," Itai said, "Many of them have already despaired of the rabbis, but we have put the wind back in their sails. Let's hope these efforts succeed."

Religious homosexuals hold first meeting  (http://www.ynetnews.com/Ext/Comp/ArticleLayout/CdaArticlePrintPreview/1,2506,L-3537330,00.html)
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Can anyone say, "Sodom and Gomorrah"??

God has some things to say about about PRIDE and they aren't good things!!


Title: Presbyterian Church Clears Minister in Gay 'Marriage' Case
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 02:18:13 AM
Presbyterian Church Clears Minister in Gay 'Marriage' Case

The highest court of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has found that a Northern California minister did not violate denominational law when she officiated at the weddings of two lesbian couples.

Tue, Apr. 29, 2008 Posted: 17:15:52 PM EST

The highest court of the Presbyterian Church (U.S.A.) has found that a Northern California minister did not violate denominational law when she officiated at the weddings of two lesbian couples.

The ruling announced Tuesday by the Louisville, Ky.-based court overturns a decision against the Rev. Jane Spahr last year. A regional judicial committee had found Spahr guilty of misconduct and gave her a rebuke — the lightest possible punishment.

The church's high court found that the ceremonies Spahr performed in 2005 and in 2004 were not marriages, so she did not violate the church's constitution.

The church constitution defines marriage as between one man and one woman.

The panel reiterated the church's position that Presbyterian ministers can bless same-sex unions as long as the ceremonies don't too closely mimic traditional weddings.

Spahr, 65, of San Rafael, retired last year. She was the first minister of her faith to be tried for officiating the weddings of gay couples, and one of several Presbyterian ministers facing disciplinary action for similar offenses.

Acting on a complaint brought by a minister in Washington state, the Presbytery of the Redwoods, which oversees 52 churches along the Pacific coast, brought the charges against Spahr in 2005 for marrying the couples from New York and California.

In 2006, a Northern California church court that found Spahr had acted within her rights as a minister when she interpreted the church doctrine to permit her presiding over the weddings. The presbytery appealed the ruling to the church's regional judicial commission.

Many Protestant denominations are divided over how they should interpret what the Bible says about homosexuality. In the Presbyterian Church, several theologically conservative congregations have announced plans to break away from the denomination.

Presbyterian Church Clears Minister in Gay 'Marriage' Case (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080429/32174_Presbyterian_Church_Clears_Minister_in_Gay_%27Marriage%27_Case.htm)
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Whether the Presbyterians call this "marriage" or "unions" is irrelevant in this case and the only reason that this minister was cleared was because of a technicality on the definition of "marriage." Whatever they call it, the point is that this minister was giving her blessing to a lifestyle that God clearly states is destructive and sinful and by doing so, is like saying that God approves of homosexuality, when He actually condemns it........

Bob


Title: Dutch Gov't to Marriage Commissioners: Won't do Gay "Marriages"? Then No Natural
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 02:19:52 AM
Dutch Gov't to Marriage Commissioners: Won't do Gay "Marriages"? Then No Natural Marriages Either

By Hilary White

THE HAGUE, April 17, 2008 (LifeSiteNews.com) - The Netherlands equality commissioners have ruled that if a civil marriage commissioner refuses to conduct wedding ceremonies for homosexual partners, they must be barred from conducting ceremonies between men and women as well.

The Equal Treatment Commission (CGB) ruled yesterday that local authorities are "not violating the equal treatment law if it refuses to appoint a marriage registrar who does not wish to marry persons of the same sex on grounds of religion".

The judgment comes after the municipality of Langedijk placed advertisements for two marriage registrars and demanded that applicants be prepared to conduct wedding ceremonies for natural couples and for same-sex partners.

The Christian Union party called the ruling an "unnecessarily harsh approach."

The party, Christen Unie, is a Dutch orthodox-protestant and Christian-social party that holds "conservative" social views and centre left ideas on economic, migration, social and environmental issues.

A party spokesman said, "This ruling does not help us further in the search for a careful balance between groups in society with differing beliefs" about homosexual "marriage".

When it comes to freedom of conscience for Christians and anyone who objects on moral grounds to homosexuality, however, it seems that homosexual political activists are only willing to apply tolerance to those who agree with their views.

In 2007 in Canada, homosexual activists fought efforts to allow marriage commissioners the right to exercise their freedom of conscience. When a Conservative MLA in New Brunswick tabled a piece of legislation meant to protect Christians and others who objected to the imposition of "gay marriage", homosexual activists responded with outrage, saying the legislation would grant rights to individuals who "discriminate" and would be an affront to the "equal marriage" movement.

Dutch Gov't to Marriage Commissioners: Won't do Gay "Marriages"? Then No Natural Marriages Either (http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/apr/08041705.html)


Title: 'Believe homosexuality is wrong? SHUT UP!'
Post by: Shammu on April 30, 2008, 03:32:35 AM
'Believe homosexuality is wrong? SHUT UP!'
Damages case from school's ban on student speech goes to appeals court
Posted: April 29, 2008
10:46 pm Eastern

© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A case triggered by a school district's instructions to students to "shut up" if they held religious beliefs that did not support the practice of homosexuality is being appealed to the full U.S. Court of Appeals for the 6th Circuit.

Officials with the Alliance Defense Fund have confirmed they are taking the case involving Timothy Morrison to the next level after a panel decided against a judicial ruling endorsing the student's First Amendment rights in the dispute with the Boyd County, Ky., Board of Education.

"Christian students shouldn't be prohibited from expressing their beliefs," ADF Senior Legal Counsel Joel Oster said. "The school adopted a policy that prohibited students from sharing their beliefs that homosexual behavior was wrong simply because others might find the message insulting.

"If students violated this policy, they not only faced suspension, they could also be turned over to the police," Oster said. "Several students, including Timothy, chose not to speak rather than face such dire consequences. Timothy is entitled to a judicial ruling vindicating his rights."

WND reported earlier when the court was critical of the school district's "gay appeasement" policy instituted as a result of a lawsuit over the establishment of a homosexual student club.

The Boyd County district, in an agreement with the Anti Christian Law Union (ACLU), then mandated a so-called "diversity" program for the students.

"The school district went overboard," Oster said at the time, "...with three days of mandated diversity training."

Included was a rule that students not talk about homosexual behavior from a negative viewpoint, a rule provided explicitly in a video that instructed students to withhold Christian viewpoints about homosexual behavior.

"We all get self-centered and start to think that our way is the right way and our way is the correct way. We all want to believe that we have evidence that our way is the correct way," a clinical psychologist appearing on the video states.

"So … no matter where you go, no matter what you do, no matter who you meet, you are going to find people that you don't like," the psychologist says. "You're going to find people that you disagree with. You're going to find people that you don't like the way they act. It can't be avoided, not, not anywhere in the world, it can't be avoided. You're going to find people that you believe are absolutely wrong. You're going to think … That is so wrong … But here is the kicker, just because you believe, just because you don't like them, just because you disagree with them, just because you believe they are wrong, wholeheartedly, absolutely, they are wrong. Just because you believe that does not give you permission to say anything about it. It doesn't require that you do anything. You just respect, you just exist, you continue, you leave it alone. There is not permission for you to point it out to them."

The Alliance Defense Fund said during the mediation of the case, the district changed its speech policies, but Morrison continued to pursue declaratory judgment and damages claims.

"Plaintiff refrained from sharing his views on homosexual behavior while at school because the district's policies specifically prohibited him from doing so," the petition to the full appeals court said.

"In both the Code of Conduct and the video, the students were told that violating the district police could result in a suspension, with 'a possibility of court referral and local law enforcement agency notified ...'" the law firm said.

"Thus, this case is not about a hyper-sensitive plaintiff who unreasonably feared discipline if he spoke out against homosexual behavior. No, any reasonable student would have silenced his tongue. Students were specifically told by the defendent that if they insulted a person by saying that homosexual behavior was wrong, they could face dire consequences.

"This case is about government policies specifically targeting speech and threatening severe punishment. Plaintiff need not subject himself to punishment before he has suffered an injury-in-fact," the firm said.

The panel's earlier ruling that "chilled speech is not an injury-in-fact" is erroneous, the appeal said.

"Other 'circuits have held, both implicitly and explicitly, that a chill on an individual's ability to exercise his or her right to free speech is a constitutional injury-in-fact," the arguments said. "In our case, the 'government regulation' was a direct prohibition against the exercise of First Amendment rights."

"Students should not be forced to subject themselves to criminal prosecution before they can seek judicial relief from unconstitutional speech policies," the law firm urged.

The appeals court earlier had ruled in favor of the student, then changed its decision.

The pending lawsuit was prompted by an earlier lawsuit that demanded the school allow a "gay" club at the school, which resulted in a solution that has been described as "gay appeasement." The resolution of that case included the required indoctrination for students, which banned them from expressing their religious beliefs, and Morrison's case was launched in 2005.


Title: Univ. of Toledo administrator fired for speaking out on homosexuality
Post by: Shammu on May 10, 2008, 12:03:04 PM
UT administrator fired for speaking out
Friday, May 09, 2008

WTVG -- Crystal Dixon just received verbal notification from UT that she has been fired for speaking her opinion in a copy of the Toledo Free Press.

A high-ranking University of Toledo administrator has been fired for speaking out. UT's associate vice president of human resources was put on paid administrative leave about 2 weeks ago after writing an opinion column in the Toledo Free Press.

Crystal Dixon just received verbal notification from the University of Toledo that she has been fired. It's all for speaking her opinion in a copy of the Toledo Free Press.

Doug Oliver has been teaching for 23 years. Now, for the first time, he says he's afraid to speak out. "All I know is what Dr. Jacobs wrote, and what he wrote sends a very clear message to me that I better be careful about what I say that doesn't align with political views."

 University president Lloyd Jacobs expressed his views in an article in the Toledo Free Press. His column followed one written by the University's associate vice president of human resources, Crystal Dixon. Dixon ignited a debate about whether discrimination against gays is different from other forms of discrimination, including race.

In her April 18th column Dixon wrote: "as a black woman... I take great umbrage at the notion that those choosing the homosexual life style are 'civil rights victims'. Here's why i cannot wake up tomorrow and not be a black woman."

"I disagree with a number of those view points and I stated at least on the face of it. They aren't consistent with University stated values," says UT president Dr. Lloyd Jacobs.

Meanwhile, Dixon is out of a job and some faculty members, like Oliver, say it's just because she voiced her opinion. Late this afternoon 13abc spoke with Crystal Dixon. She says her termination is clearly a violation of her 1st amendment right for free speech, religious discrimination, and race discrimination. Now she is pointing the finger at University leadership. "I am an alumnus. I have worked with a fantastic team. I absolutely love the people I work with and I am disappointed in this and disappointed absolutely. Is this a lack of courageous leadership on the part of the university, absolutely," says Dixon

UT administrator fired for speaking out (http://abclocal.go.com/wtvg/story?section=news/local&id=6133465)


Title: Specially designed torch lit on top of Mount Everest
Post by: Shammu on May 10, 2008, 12:23:24 PM
Specially designed torch lit on top of Mount Everest
Chinese mountaineers take specially designed torch to the top of Mount Everest
By ANITA CHANG
The Associated Press

BEIJING

An Olympic flame reached the top of the world Thursday. Live television footage showed a Chinese mountaineering team holding up a specially designed torch along with Chinese and Olympic flags Thursday on the top of Mount Everest.

"One World, One Dream," team captain Nyima Cering yelled as he was passed the torch on the final icy incline leading to the peak, repeating the slogan for the Beijing Olympics. "We have lit the torch on top of the world," another climber said.

Organizers hope the dramatic image of the torch atop Everest will counter some of the damaging publicity from protests during the international leg of the torch relay.

Criticized from the outset because of China's often harsh rule over Tibet — where Everest is located — the relay drew more intense scrutiny after Tibetans across western China erupted in anti-government protests in March.

The Everest torch is separate from the main Olympic flame, which was not taken up the mountain because of weather concerns. A delay due to bad weather would have thrown the schedule off for the whole torch relay.

The 19-member team, dressed in red parkas emblazoned with Olympic logos, broke camp before dawn and reached the top of the 29,035-foot mountain a little more than six hours later.

The Olympic flame had been carried in a special metal canister during the ascent. As the team neared the top, they used a wand to pass the flame from the canister to the torch, which had been designed to withstand the strong winds and low oxygen levels at the top of Everest.

The climbers could be heard struggling for breath as five torchbearers each inched a few feet before passing on the flame to the next person. A colorful Tibetan prayer flag lined the path and fluttered in the wind.

The final torchbearer, a Tibetan woman named Cering Wangmo, stood silently on the peak with her torch while other team members unfurled flags Chinese and Olympic flags. They then clustered together, cheering "We made it," and "Beijing welcomes you."

One person was heard breathing heavily, murmuring "not enough oxygen."

The head of the Everest leg of the relay, Li Zhixin, was overcome with emotion as the flame reached the top. "It's so hard," he said at the CCTV studio set up at base camp, choking on tears.

The Everest leg has largely unfolded amid secrecy, in part to deter protesters who have criticized the event as symbolizing China's domination over Tibet.

The 19-member final assault team was comprised of both ethnic Han Chinese and Tibetan members and also included university students. The team captain, Nyima Cering, is a Tibetan, while deputy Luo Shen is Han Chinese, CCTV and the Xinhua News Agency said.

The main Olympic torch is on the opposite side of China. The relay leg scheduled for Thursday, in the boomtown of Shenzhen, was postponed until the afternoon to allow for the Everest ascent. The main flame will cross every region and province of China, returning to Beijing on Aug. 6, two days ahead of the opening ceremony for the games.

The main torch seems to be having a smooth relay through China. After the tour kickoff Sunday, the flame has been greeted by jubilant crowds in such places as the port city of Haikou and the southern city of Guangzhou, also known as Canton.

Relieved corporate sponsors like Samsung and Coca-Cola, whose logos were seldom seen along the torch relay outside China, now are splashing their names everywhere.

While most of the more than 100 stops across China should go smoothly, legs through Tibet and the largely Muslim province of Xinjiang — areas with recent protests against Chinese rule or policies — could test security and crowd control.

Crowds in Haikou were friendly to foreigners, showing little of the angry, anti-Western sentiments of recent weeks after protests in London, Paris and San Francisco that some Chinese saw as an attack against China and the Olympics.

"Welcome to China!" university students called out, some sporting face paint and tooting plastic horns as the convoy streamed by.

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on May 10, 2008, 09:17:23 PM
Christianity without Christ
No creeds, no miracles, no Resurrection: Minister preaches faith without the symbolism

There is a Bible on a pedestal in Gretta Vosper's West Hill United Church in Toronto. She would prefer it did not have a special place, she said, because it is just a book among other books. In a similar way, the cross that is high above the altar has no special meaning, but there are a few older congregants for whom the Bible and the cross are still nice symbols so there they remain.
Though an ordained minister, she does not like the title of reverend. It is one of those symbols that hold the church back from breaking into the future -- to a time "when the label Christian won't even exist" and the Church will be freed of the burdens of the past. To balance out those symbols of the past inside West Hill, there is a giant, non-religious rainbow tapestry just behind the altar and multi-colored streamers hang from the ceiling.
"The central story of Christianity will fade away," she explained. "The story about Jesus as the symbol of everything that Christianity is will fade away."
The head of the United Church of Canada, David Giuliano, who went to divinity school with Ms. Vosper 20 years ago, said if he felt the way that she does, he would not be a minister. But it is not his job to condemn, he said, and the church is structured in such a way that complaints have to come from the congregation before any action can be taken. And so far there have been no complaints. He also sees the United Church, considered the most liberal of the mainline Protestant churches, as broad enough to encompass a wide range of theologies.
Even Rev. Giuliano agrees that the name Christian -- which carries the baggage of colonialism and other ills -- should probably be phased out. Instead, he would replace "Christian" with "Follower of the Way" or "Follower of Jesus."
But it is an absolute certainty that Ms. Vosper would not go for "Follower of Jesus."
Ms. Vosper does not believe in the Virgin Birth, the Resurrection, the miracles and the sacrament of baptism. Nor does she believe in the creeds, the presence of Christ in communion or that Jesus was the Son of God.
In With or Without God, her book that was formally launched this week, she writes that Jesus was a "Middle Eastern peasant with a few charismatic gifts and a great posthumous marketing team."
The Bible is used in her services, but it gets rewritten to be more contemporary and speak to more people. Even the Lord's Prayer -- also known as the Our Father -- does not make the cut because it creates an image of a God who intervenes in human existence. And then there is the "Father" part that is not inclusive language and carries with it the notion of an overbearing tyrant who condemns people to hell.
So why exactly does she still call herself a Christian, let alone a minister?
"I could leave the Church because I don't hold those orthodox understandings," she said.
"[But] I think that in a generation or so we might stop using the term Christian, and I hope, perhaps we will stop using labels for every religious tradition. There is nothing wrong with a faith tradition evolving.
"And I believe that's what we're doing. It's been evolving for a long time but we're afraid to acknowledge that so this is merely the next iteration of what Christianity needs to be."
She envisions a time when there is no religious divisions and everyone shares in their common values and their only differences are cultural. Still, she said there is no conflict with this and being in the church.
"The church is extremely important because it can be a transformative element in individuals' lives and communities," she said. "And that was the root of what the Christian Church was about: transforming the way people see themselves in relation
to the communities around them and in relation to each other and about living that in community. Christianity took over that story and manipulated it into a very different story."
Ms. Vosper believes most liberal ministers do not really believe in orthodoxy and see things like the Resurrection or the miracles as metaphors, not real events. She is also chair of a group called the Canadian Centre For Progressive Christianity, which also espouses a vague form of religious belief, in which they offer a challenge to the church to do a "complete overhaul of the beliefs it has been carrying about for the last several hundred years.
"It's not that we're trying to do something new. It's that we're trying to catch up on a thousand years of backlogged progress files that have yet to be inputted into the 21st century."
In With or Without God, Ms. Vosper writes: "[It is time to live] in the current paradigm, being progressive enough to let go of the beliefs and traditions to which we've had to tip our hats and curtsy in the past but which can no longer prevail in our contemporary world."
Ms. Vosper did not change her views over time but said she felt the same way when she took her divinity degree at Queen's University in 1990. She said when the creed was mentioned, which contains those declarations of faith that acknowledge basic Christian tenants, it was uncomfortable. "I fled when I had to read the creed," she said.
For all of this, she still feels rooted in the church. She still loves the stories, metaphors though they may be. And she still measures her life against the meaning of those metaphors.
The focus of her "spiritual" life is love. And since love is the common bond between all people, it is really the only thing worth believing in.
"Here in the context of seeking out harmony with all things, the purest understanding of those values that enhance and sanctify life becomes the foremost spiritual practice," she writes.
"We call it love, radically inclusive love. It is here, in the caring, challenging, prophetic role with which it is so familiar that the church can really shine."

Charles Lewis, National Post 
Published: Saturday, May 03, 2008



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 10, 2008, 10:10:21 PM
I am glad that she doesn't like the name reverend, Christian or any other that associates to it because none of them would apply to Miss Vosper anyway. Unfortunately for her she will find out how wrong she is sooner or later. It is also unfortunate that she is dragging others in the same direction.

1Pe 1:24  For all flesh is as grass, and all the glory of man as the flower of grass. The grass withereth, and the flower thereof falleth away:
1Pe 1:25  But the word of the Lord endureth for ever. And this is the word which by the gospel is preached unto you.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on May 10, 2008, 10:21:38 PM
You got that right PR!  This is just a sampling of how Satan is going lead people astray.  I'm still amazed that we can watch the end times unfold on a daily basis!  One event and story right after another!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 17, 2008, 03:13:23 PM
Youngsters attend Boston homosexual pride event

Boston was the site for a recent homosexual youth rally designed to bring awareness of oppression by the alleged "homophobic" society.

Children were bused in from all over Massachusetts to take part in the "youth pride day" event that featured a parade in Boston, speeches, special awards, and a transgender ball at Boston's city hall.
 
Brian Camenker, head of the Massachusetts based pro-family group MassResistance, says the homosexual youth rally was organized using taxpayer money. "And it was run by the state-funded organization called the Massachusetts Commission on Gay\Lesbian\Bi-sexual and Transgender Youth  – which was created by the legislature and uses hundreds of thousands of dollars of taxpayer money," Camenker contends.
 
Camenker says at one point, the crowd got violent when they spotted photographers from MassResistance. "They claimed that by our taking pictures and by putting them on our website that we were hurting the kids because their parents didn't know that they were there and they would be 'outed,'" Camenker explains.

Camenker says the kids started screaming at them, blocked their cameras, and assaulted them while Boston police stood by watching.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Maryjane on May 17, 2008, 11:42:40 PM
The only end to immoral behavior is the day the Lord Comes and the evil one will be cast in a lake of fire..Isn't it wonderful to know that we have the assurance in days like these that as long as we breathe a new day we also breathe the Word of God to one who does not know there is hope and it is only found in Jesus? 

When we read and are told of such happenings, we can truly say WE HAVE WON THROUGH THE BLOOD OF JESUS WE HAVE WON..


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on May 18, 2008, 12:12:11 AM
Hello MaryJane,

There doesn't appear to be any end to the escalating evil these days. It's beyond the point of shocking, but we do know how the story ends. Sister, we do have the wonderful Promises of GOD, and it's nice to reflect on them several times every day. We know WHO holds all of our tomorrows!

It appears that the world is running faster and faster toward destruction, and that's exactly what the BIBLE says will happen. There appears to be a rapidly growing ABSENCE OF MORALS in all things, and more people are starting to MOCK the things of GOD. It's starting to be REGULARLY MORE than just rejection, disrespect, and disobedience of GOD - rather open DEFIANCE AND MOCKERY!

The world appears to be getting RIPE for the RIGHTEOUS WRATH OF ALMIGHTY GOD, and HE'S PROMISED THAT IT WILL COME! However, our PROMISES as CHILDREN OF THE KING OF KINGS are the opposite of WRATH. I feel that the time of our PROMISES is drawing near.


Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on May 31, 2008, 07:09:56 PM

Calif. Episcopal Church to Perform Same-Sex Weddings

http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080526/32531.htm (http://www.christianpost.com/article/20080526/32531.htm)


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An Episcopal church in California plans to perform marriage ceremonies for same-sex couples beginning mid-June.

All Saints Episcopal Church in Pasadena, one of the largest congregations in the denomination, adopted last Thursday the "Resolution on Marriage Equality" in response to a California Supreme Court ruling that legalized gay "marriage."

The 125-year-old congregation "will treat equally all couples presenting themselves for the rite of marriage," said the Rev. Canon J. Edwin Bacon Jr. in an announcement.

"I am honored to serve a church where the leadership demonstrates such stirring courage to move beyond lip service about embodying God's inclusive love to actually committing our faith community to the practice of marriage equality," Bacon commented, according to Episcopal News Service.

On May 15 in a 4-3 ruling, the state high court struck down a ban that prohibited same-sex couples from "marrying." The justices ruled that “domestic partnerships are not a good enough substitute for marriage."

After the high court cleared the way for same-sex "marriage" in a decision that was a blow to Christian and pro-family groups, churches were faced with the pressing question of whether they must recognize and officiate gay weddings.

California has an estimated 92,000 same-sex couples.

Episcopal Bishop Jon Bruno of Los Angeles is establishing a task force to help clarify the impact of the court's decision on local congregations.

While many bishops in The Episcopal Church support the rights of gays and lesbians, the denomination has not "yet made" the decision to bless same-sex unions, Bishop Jim Mathes of San Diego noted.

"We are in the midst of a challenging but vital conversation about holy relationships in this diocese and indeed across the [Anglican] Communion," Mathes said.

The Episcopal Church, the U.S. branch of Anglicanism, had passed a resolution in September 2007 saying they will "exercise restraint" in authorizing public rites of the blessing of same-sex unions. Episcopal Presiding Bishop Katharine Jefferts Schori had made it clear, however, that the church will not retreat from the "full inclusion" of gays and lesbians but is willing to "pause" as the Anglican Communion remains divided on the issue of homosexuality.

Meanwhile, Bacon of All Saints Church believes the latest pro-gay move by his congregation "aligns" them with "the Scriptures' mandate to make God's love tangible by 'doing justice and loving mercy.'"

But Richard J. Mouw, president of the conservative Protestant Fuller Theological Seminary in Pasadena and a friend to Bacon, says All Saints' decision to perform same-sex weddings is "a very serious mistake."

By linking gay "marriage" to issues of "justice and mercy" rather than moral standards, All Saints restricts dialogue with people who have "legitimate questions" about their definition of marriage, Mouw said, according to Pasadena Star News .

"It should be clear to everyone that he's (Bacon) out of step with his global Anglican communion and fostering what many of us sincerely believe is a real threat to the social fabric," Mouw noted.

The global Anglican Communion maintains that homosexual practice is incompatible with Scripture.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on May 31, 2008, 07:23:04 PM

Pope tells young people to trust in Mary

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12675


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"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5

At a meeting with young people in the northern Italian city of Savona, Pope Benedict XVI recited the Angelus prayer with the young people and invited them to trust in Mary.

He recalled the words the Virgin Mary spoke to shepherd Benedict Pareto in the year 1400 urging him to build a shrine on Mount Figogna, the place where she appeared.

Benedict Pareto, according to tradition, was worried because he did not know how to respond to Mary’s invitation to build a church in a place so remote from the city.

The Pope repeated the Virgin Mary’s words: “trust in me! With me in your midst you will not fail. With my help everything will be easy. Only keep your will firm. Trust in me!”

“This, Mary repeats to us today,” Pope Benedict said. “An ancient prayer, very dear in popular tradition, makes us turn in confidence to You with these confident words, that today we make our own: ‘Remember, O Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, sought your help or implored your intercession was left abandoned.’

“It is with this certainty that we invoke the motherly care of Our Lady of the Guard on your diocesan community, its pastors, consecrated persons, the lay faithful: young people, families, the elderly. To Mary we entrust the entire city, with its diverse population, its cultural, social and economic problems and challenges of our times, and commitment of those who cooperate for the common good.”


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on May 31, 2008, 07:24:49 PM
Pope tells young people to trust in Mary

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12675


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"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5

The Pope repeated the Virgin Mary’s words: “trust in me! With me in your midst you will not fail. With my help everything will be easy. Only keep your will firm. Trust in me!”



Um....what gospel was this in again?...


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on May 31, 2008, 11:19:20 PM
Um....what gospel was this in again?...

The false gospel of men.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on June 01, 2008, 12:01:02 AM
Pope tells young people to trust in Mary

http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/new.php?n=12675


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"For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus."
1 Timothy 2:5

At a meeting with young people in the northern Italian city of Savona, Pope Benedict XVI recited the Angelus prayer with the young people and invited them to trust in Mary.

He recalled the words the Virgin Mary spoke to shepherd Benedict Pareto in the year 1400 urging him to build a shrine on Mount Figogna, the place where she appeared.

Benedict Pareto, according to tradition, was worried because he did not know how to respond to Mary’s invitation to build a church in a place so remote from the city.

The Pope repeated the Virgin Mary’s words: “trust in me! With me in your midst you will not fail. With my help everything will be easy. Only keep your will firm. Trust in me!”

“This, Mary repeats to us today,” Pope Benedict said. “An ancient prayer, very dear in popular tradition, makes us turn in confidence to You with these confident words, that today we make our own: ‘Remember, O Virgin Mary, that never was it known that anyone who fled to your protection, sought your help or implored your intercession was left abandoned.’

“It is with this certainty that we invoke the motherly care of Our Lady of the Guard on your diocesan community, its pastors, consecrated persons, the lay faithful: young people, families, the elderly. To Mary we entrust the entire city, with its diverse population, its cultural, social and economic problems and challenges of our times, and commitment of those who cooperate for the common good.”


WOW! - This is a sad and gross distortion not resembling the GOSPEL at all! The world is desperate for the REAL GOSPEL - THE REAL GOOD NEWS! Mary is just another dead human being and can't help anyone in any way. JESUS CHRIST IS ALIVE and is the ONLY WAY to SALVATION! It's very cruel to suggest otherwise to the lost!

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on June 09, 2008, 11:46:30 PM
Oregon University Hosts Talk by Notorious Holocaust Denier, Amid Protest
Monday, June 09, 2008

By Joseph Abrams

David Irving, a British historian accused of Holocaust denial, is set to speak at the University of Oregon, prompting protest from a local rights group.
David Irving, a British historian accused of Holocaust denial, is set to speak at the University of Oregon, prompting protest from a local rights group.
 The University of Oregon will play host Monday night to Holocaust denier David Irving, prompting protests from a local rights group.

The Pacifica Forum, a group that holds weekly meetings on the university’s campus in Euguene, Ore., has invited Irving to make an address about free speech. Irving's presentation is part of a nationwide tour which includes what he calls the "real history" of Adolf Hitler and Heinrich Himmler. Irving is the third accused Holocaust denier who will have spoken to the group on campus.

“They cross the line into being anti-Semitic — they create such a comfortable environment for bigotry,” said Michael Williams, a board member of the Community Alliance of Lane County, a local social-justice group.

Williams is helping organize a Monday-night protest vigil against Irving, a prolific historian who has stated that there were no gas chambers in Auschwitz and routinely downplays the number of Jews killed during the Holocaust.

Irving has been barred entry to Austria, Germany, Australia and Canada, and spent 10 months in an Austrian prison for denying the Holocaust. The Anti-Defamation League has called Irving “one of the world’s most effective purveyors of Holocaust denial.”

The university washed its hands of responsibility for the event, saying that it wasn’t sponsoring Irving’s speech and was only serving as a venue. Orval Etter, one of the event's organizers and a former professor at the university, has the authority to reserve a room free of charge.

“The Pacifica Forum is not affiliated with the university — the space is being used under a campus policy that allows retired professors to rent rooms on campus,” said Julie Brown, director of media relations at the University.

Brown said the school would not seek to block Irving’s presence because it has a policy of respecting freedom of speech for all groups.

“The university is really committed to freedom of speech and wanting to make sure that there is a place for groups to be able to express their viewpoints,” she said.

Williams told FOXNews.com he respected the school's obligation to protect free speech, but said the university’s campus was not the right place to air the Pacifica Forum’s bigoted views.

“Their [Pacifica Forum] freedom of speech is adequately exercised on a street corner in the rain,” he said.

Though he said the vigil was not aimed at “shutting down” the forum, Williams hoped to “make it clear that we don’t support the kind of ideology that David Irving represents.”

The president of the university, Dave Frohnmayer, agreed. After a different Holocaust denier and self-described white supremacist visited the campus in 2007, Frohnmayer wrote a letter condemning the “gutter bigotry” of the Pacifica Forum, but defended its right to speak out.

“My own feeling is that these subjects are better expressed . . . than left to fester silently,” he wrote, but stressed that the forum “[did] not speak for the University of Oregon.”

Despite his objection to the content of the presentation Monday, Williams said he wasn’t concerned that students would attend the meeting or be swayed by the forum and David Irving’s anti-Semitic sentiments.

“Students stay away in droves,” he said.



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on June 10, 2008, 12:21:57 AM
Hello GrammyLuv and All,

It takes a complete FOOL to deny the Holocaust, but there doesn't appear to be any shortage of FOOLS these days. Some of these same FOOLS are calling for a more complete Holocaust at the same time, and most of you know that I'm talking about who we call ImANutJob from Iran.

Bible Prophecy tells us there will be a more complete attempt of Jewish genocide, but GOD won't allow anything like this to succeed. WHY? - Israel will be restored after the SECOND COMING OF CHRIST! Much of the world would view statements like the above as lunacy because they have already denied CHRIST! The world will have to learn the hard way that THE PROMISES OF GOD CAN'T BE DENIED! NO POWER IN THE UNIVERSE CAN PREVENT GOD FROM FULFILLING HIS PROMISES - AND HIS PROMISES WILL BE FULFILLED AT HIS APPOINTED TIME! GOD'S Promises are a bad thing for EVIL and the powers of darkness - BUT GOOD for Christians who love HIS Appearing!

Love In Christ,
Tom

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Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on June 10, 2008, 12:50:18 AM
but there doesn't appear to be any shortage of FOOLS these days.   

Man, is that an understatement tonight.  I just came over from reading the articles on Pelosi and then, CAIR.  Craziness!


Title: Norway okays homosexual marriages, adoptions
Post by: Shammu on June 14, 2008, 10:36:56 PM
Norway okays homosexual marriages, adoptions
OneNewsNow
6/14/2008 4:35:00

LifsitenewslogoOSLO - Norway has become the sixth country in the world to give homosexuals the legal right to "marry," with all the benefits previously given only to heterosexual couples. The new "marriage" law also allows homosexuals to adopt children and permits lesbians to be artificially inseminated.

Norwegian television reported that Labour party member Gunn Karin Gjul said, "This decision is of an importance comparable to universal suffrage and our law on parity."

Norway began allowing same-sex civil unions in the 1990s and since then its heterosexual-marriage rates have plummeted and its out-of-wedlock birthrate skyrocketed to 80 percent for firstborn children; but the provision allowing homosexuals to adopt children is of gravest concern. In 2006, Ireland's highest court rejected a lesbian couple's demand to have their Canadian "marriage" recognized in Ireland, citing harm to children as one of the determining factors in the ruling.

Justice Elizabeth Dunne expressed concern about the effect of same-sex marriage on children, saying the lack of conclusive research into the results of homosexual parenting made it necessary to reserve judgment on the issue. "There is simply not enough evidence from the research done to date that could allow firm conclusions to be drawn as to the consequences of same-sex marriage particularly in the area of the welfare of children."

An interview by Zenit news service with Dale O'Leary, a writer and researcher for the Catholic Medical Association discussed the dangers of same-sex couples adopting children. O'Leary explained that "a same-sex couple has, by definition, two persons at high risk for psychological disorders. The studies published in the Archives of General Psychiatry found that persons self-identified as homosexual in comparison to the general public had almost double the rate of suicidal ideation or attempts, substance abuse problems and psychological disorders. One of the studies found that 78.6 percent of the gay, lesbian, or bisexual group suffered from multiple disorders."

"And there are other problems," he continued. "Domestic violence is more common among same-sex couples. Men with same-sex attractions are more likely to become infected with a STD, including HIV, hepatitis or HPV, which can lead to cancer. Thus, several studies suggest that 50 percent of men who have sex with men will become HIV-positive before age 50."

Addressing the emotional damage and fragility already present in children put up for adoption, O'Leary said, "Adoption by a happily, faithfully married husband and wife provides a healing environment for the child who has been surrendered by his or her biological parents. The faithful, committed love of the father for his wife and children teaches the adoptive child that all men do not walk away from their responsibilities to their children.

"Because children surrendered for adoption have already suffered one major loss, it is very important that they be placed in the most stable situation possible. Same-sex couples are the least stable arrangement. Because of this, a child placed with a same-sex couple is at greater risk for a second major loss during childhood. The research on the effects of divorce on children is clear and unequivocal-divorce is profoundly damaging. The damage is necessarily greater for the adoptive child."

Norway okays homosexual marriages, adoptions (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Printer.aspx?id=136648)


Title: Re: Norway okays homosexual marriages, adoptions
Post by: Shammu on June 14, 2008, 10:38:25 PM

Is it too late to move to Mars?

I wonder how long it will be before more countries follow suit. Better yet, when the UN will start to DEMAND that all countries do so.


Title: Biblical message now criminalized
Post by: Shammu on June 14, 2008, 10:41:11 PM
Biblical message now criminalized
Penalties created for those who criticize homosexuality outside church walls
Posted: June 12, 2008
12:45 am Eastern

By Bob Unruh
© 2008 WorldNetDaily

A new Colorado law is helping homosexual activists achieve their goal of forcing Christians to teach biblical condemnation of homosexuality only behind the closed doors of their sanctuaries.

The as-yet untested state law promotes sexual identity "perception" to the level of skin color under state discrimination laws.

Some opponents are calling it a "bona fide censorship law," and top analysts for Focus on the Family, the Christian publishing and broadcast powerhouse, are expressing concern over the "mischief" they expect to follow the signing by Gov. Bill Ritter.

As WND reported, Ritter, a Democrat, struck gender-specific restrooms and locker rooms statewide when he signed the plan into law in May.

The law makes it illegal to deny a person access to public accommodations, including restrooms and locker rooms, based on gender identity or the "perception" of gender identity.

"Who would have believed that the Colorado state legislature and its governor would have made it fully legal for men to enter and use women's restrooms and locker-room facilities without notice or explanation?" said James Dobson, founder of Focus.

"Henceforth, every woman and little girl will have to fear that a predator, bisexual, cross-dresser or even a homosexual or heterosexual male might walk in and relieve himself in their presence," Dobson said.

But now an analyst for Focus, Bruce Hausknecht, has told WND there are other, significant, potential ramifications hidden in the fine print of the new law.

The law provides an exemption allowing religious groups to continue teaching, inside their doors, the Bible's condemnation of homosexuality. But the exemption itself is ultimately harmful to the church, Hausknecht contends.

"It tends to marginalize the church," he said. "They'll say, 'It's just a church.' It will allow gay activists to continue to marginalize Christians. They'll say, 'Keep it within your four walls. That's all.'"

But there's further possible mischief that can result from a ban on discrimination based on sexual orientation or "perception" when deciding "full and equal enjoyment of facilities, accommodations" and other factors, he said.

Religious publishers, he acknowledged, could be accused under the law for publishing biblical condemnation of homosexuality. Colorado Springs, where Focus in located, also is home to the huge Christian publishing operations of NavPress and the International Bible Society.

"There are those who simply by publishing Christian materials could find themselves charged with a violation of this statute," he said.

A spokesman for Ritter did not respond to a WND request for comment.

The actual impact of the new ban on people responsible for "public accommodations" expressing beliefs that do not support homosexuality is unclear at this point, largely because charges haven't been brought and challenges weighed regarding the law and its potential impact on First Amendment guarantees of freedom exercise of religion.

However, Hausknecht warned there is "danger" in those waters for any church that provides any service to its community.

It is possible the law's anti-"discrimination" demands could be triggered when outside groups come in to use a church meeting room, auditorium or recreation facility. For the safety of the churches, perhaps outsiders will have to sign a document stating agreement with the church's religious beliefs before being allowed in, he said.

The targets of complaints likely won't be churches themselves, but more likely church schools, programs that offer services to communities and the like, critics of the law said.

"The intent of the homosexual activists who put this law in [was to] marginalize the church, keep it inside the sanctuary," Hausknecht said.

Worse yet is that many small or medium-size churches will have to go out of their way, including halting programs, to avoid a potential conflict, because they don't have the resources to wage a war over their beliefs, he added.

"It's a lot easier to avoid the conflict than incur the costs of fighting," he said.

Dobson earlier had nothing but criticism for Colorado's elected officials.

"This is your government in action. It represents a payback to Tim Gill and two other billionaires who have essentially 'bought' state legislators with enormous campaign contributions. Coloradans deserve better!" Dobson said.

"And by the way, because of the way this bill is written, it is not subject to the initiative process. There is no recourse," Dobson said.

Pastor Bob Enyart, a Denver-area activist on Christian issues, agreed with Focus's concerns over what appears to be a newly minted state discrimination against Christian beliefs. But he went further.

"WND reported on Canada banning opposition to homosexuality; likewise, Colorado's SB200 has 'forbidden' much publishing of Christian teaching on homosexuality, cohabitation, etc.," he said.

"This censorship aspect of the law has been utterly ignored," he said.

"The law exempts churches, but that's not good, that's an insult. I.E., bigotry is allowed only in churches. Whereas every other place of public accommodation including bookstores, retail & wholesale businesses, etc. cannot sell or even 'give away' anything that would advocate discrimination [against] gay adoption, homosexual marriage, etc.," Enyart said.

He cited one part of the new law:

    Section 8. 24-34-701. Publishing of discriminative matter forbidden. No person, being the owner, lessee, proprietor, manager, superintendent, agent, or employee of any place of public accommodation... shall publish, issue, circulate, send, distribute, give away, or display in any way, manner, or shape or by any means or method, except as provided in this section, any communication, paper, poster, folder, manuscript, book, pamphlet, writing, print, letter, notice, or advertisement of any kind, nature, or description THAT is intended or calculated to discriminate or actually discriminates against... SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status... in the matter of furnishing or neglecting or refusing to furnish to them or any one of them any lodging, housing, schooling, or tuition or any accommodation, right [marriage], privilege [adoption], advantage, or convenience... on account of... SEXUAL ORIENTATION, marital status... [which] is unwelcome or objectionable or not acceptable, desired, or solicited."

The Old Testament condemns homosexuality as an "abomination," Enyart told WND. The New Testament includes a reference in 1st Timothy calling for the use of laws against crimes such as murder and homosexuality.

"There are free speech rights to condemn cohabitation, homosexuality, state that homosexuals should not marry, should not adopt children," Enyart said. "It's now illegal in Colorado for anyone involved in a facility or business of public accommodation to give any communication that would advocate discrimination based on marital status or sexual orientation."

He said many people simply choose not to believe what's happening.

"I have a hard time believing [it myself]," said Enyart.

He said he expects the law to be only "lightly" enforced until "it just becomes an entrenched part of our legal framework. They're not going to go out and arrest somebody for selling a Bible at Barnes and Noble."

But then in a few years, watch out, he said.

Enyart has printed a document he hands out that says, "This Anti-homosexual Flyer is Illegal in Colorado." It condemns the promotion of homosexuality in no uncertain terms.

"Homosexuality should be re-criminalized in Colorado," it states.


Title: Re: Biblical message now criminalized
Post by: Shammu on June 14, 2008, 10:47:19 PM

All that has to remain is for the word "sanctuaries" to be redefined as being anywhere a Bible can been seen, or a Bible reading heard. Why do the gays have all the fun redefining what words mean?

We need to remember though................

John 15:18-21 "If the world hates you, keep in mind that it hated me first. 19 If you belonged to the world, it would love you as its own. As it is, you do not belong to the world, but I have chosen you out of the world. That is why the world hates you. 20 Remember the words I spoke to you: 'No servant is greater than his master.' If they persecuted me, they will persecute you also. If they obeyed my teaching, they will obey yours also. 21 They will treat you this way because of my name, for they do not know the One who sent me.

We have been given instructions on how to behave in this world, and political change, while God allowed it for a time here, isn't always going to viable. I will still vote and speak out some on political issues as God creates opportunity in my life, but more and more I believe we are going to have realize we are living in the midst of a society quickly coming to resemble what Lot faced.


Title: Homosexuality takes Congress by storm
Post by: Shammu on June 14, 2008, 10:49:39 PM
Homosexuality takes Congress by storm
Jeff Johnson - OneNewsNow
6/13/2008 10:40:00

The two openly homosexual members of the U.S. House of Representatives have recruited 50 of their colleagues to officially join them in promoting the homosexual agenda in Congress.

Democrats Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin are the only open homosexuals serving in Congress. They have joined with Republicans Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Christopher Shays of Connecticut, and 50 other Democrats to create the House Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Caucus. Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, says it is a sad day when Congress enshrines official promotion of sexual immorality.
 
"How interesting that we now have a homosexual caucusThe two openly homosexual members of the U.S. House of Representatives have recruited 50 of their colleagues to officially join them in promoting the homosexual agenda in Congress.

Democrats Barney Frank of Massachusetts and Tammy Baldwin of Wisconsin are the only open homosexuals serving in Congress. They have joined with Republicans Ileana Ros-Lehtinen of Florida and Christopher Shays of Connecticut, and 50 other Democrats to create the House Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual, and Transgender Caucus. Peter LaBarbera, president of Americans for Truth About Homosexuality, says it is a sad day when Congress enshrines official promotion of sexual immorality.
 
"How interesting that we now have a homosexuality, transsexual caucus – I guess you could call it – at the congressional level. It's just unbelievable that there are this many congressmen who are promoting homosexuality and transsexual perversion," LaBarbera laments.
 
While LaBarbera criticized the two Republicans for lending the appearance of bipartisanship to the group, he reserved his primary wrath for the Democrats.
 
"I think what this shows is that the hard-core Democratic Left is extremely pro-homosexual," he states. "Big city populations have many homosexual activists, and they're disproportionately powerful compared to the rest of the people in the district. Do I think that the average person in the district knows that these members are promoting homosexuality in this way? No way! But there are probably powerful homosexual constituencies in each one of these districts," LaBarbera explains.

Christians, according to LaBarbera, could learn something from the success of homosexual activists. With very small numbers, they have managed to create the perception of a much larger constituency and, thereby, have many of their political demands met.
 
"The gays are all about political power. They know how to vote. They're very committed. They're not apathetic like many Christians," says the activist. "And they've 'earned' this extraordinary total: 52 congressmen coming right out and saying, 'We are going to vote for homosexuality and transsexuality in Congress," LaBarbera contends.
 
The 52 members of the LGBT Caucus are: Tammy Baldwin (D-WI), Barney Frank (D-MA), Rob Andrews (D-NJ), Xavier Becerra (D-CA), Lois Capps (D-CA), Yvette Clarke (D-NY), Joseph Crowley (D-NY), Diana DeGette (D-CO), Keith Ellison (D-MN), Raúl Grijalva (D-AZ), Mike Honda (D-CA), Barbara Lee (D-CA), James McGovern (D-MA), Jerrold Nadler (D-NY), Linda Sánchez (D-CA), Jan Schakowsky (D-IL), Hilda Solis (D-CA), Debbie Wasserman Schultz (D-FL), Henry Waxman (D-CA), Anthony Weiner (D-NY), Peter Welch (D-VT), Howard Berman (D-CA), Earl Blumenauer (D-OR), Robert Brady (D-PA), Michael Capuano (D-MA), Susan Davis (D-CA), Rosa DeLauro (D-CT), Eliot Engel (D-NY), Anna Eshoo (D-CA), Luis Gutierrez (D-IL), Phil Hare (D-IL), Rush Holt (D-NJ), Sheila Jackson Lee (D-TX), Eddie Bernice Johnson (D-TX), Patrick Kennedy (D-RI), Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), Zoe Lofgren (D-CA), Carolyn Maloney (D-NY), Doris Matsui (D-CA), James Moran (D-VA), Eleanor Holmes Norton (D-Washington, D.C.), Frank Pallone (D-NJ), Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), Steven Rothman (D-NJ), José Serrano (D-NY), Chris Shays (R-CT), Pete Stark (D-CA), Betty Sutton (D-OH), Ellen Tauscher (D-CA), Niki Tsongas (D-MA), Robert Wexler (D-FL), Lynn Woolsey (D-CA).
 
LaBarbera argues that the average voter in most of those 52 congressional districts has no idea that their elected representative is openly promoting sexual immorality.

Homosexuality takes Congress by storm (http://www.onenewsnow.com/Printer.aspx?id=134506)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on June 14, 2008, 11:28:47 PM
Hello DreamWeaver and All,

Brother Bob, I personally think that the new law in Colorado will be struck down as illegal and Unconstitutional. I think that a legal aid could file the brief that would shoot this law down in flames. If not, the country would have to be ready to give up the rule of Law and all Civil and Constitutional Rights - NOT just those pertaining to religious freedom. I honestly think that those passing this law in Colorado are going to look like absolute MORONS before this is all over with. There is obvious RECOURSE when grossly Unconstitutional Laws are written. Regardless, I agree with your comments about the times of Lot. Many are trying to hasten the trip down into the stench and filth of the sewer. The recent MORONIC actions of the Colorado Legislature are just one example. I, for one, have a positive feeling about this new law SOLELY because I think it will be easily squashed and become an extreme embarrassment for those responsible. It is so blatantly illegal and Unconstitutional that all Rights and the Constitution would have to be done away with before this law could stand. THE PERVERSE MINORITY in our society wanting these things can ONLY get this done by a vote of the PEOPLE - THE ENTIRE COUNTRY IN A CONSTITUTIONAL CONVENTION.

I, for one, would love to see a Constitutional Convention. Many problems could all be addressed at the same time. In the absence of this type of REQUIRED DUE PROCESS, the PERVERT'S LAW in Colorado isn't worth the paper it's written on. It will simply end up making  the Colorado Legislature the laughing stock of the nation. This is NOT a done deal because the CONTEST hasn't begun yet. The Colorado Legislature deserves the distinction of becoming the laughing stock of the nation, and they wll get this honor!


Title: Christian Theologians Prepare for Extraterrestrial Life
Post by: Shammu on June 15, 2008, 11:50:28 PM
Christian Theologians Prepare for Extraterrestrial Life  ??? ??? ???
By BRANDON KEIM
June 15, 2008

Little green men might shock the secular public. But the Catholic Church would welcome them as brothers.

That's what Vatican chief astronomer and papal science adviser Gabriel Funes explained in a recent article in L'Osservatore Romano, the newsletter of the Vatican Observatory. His conclusion might surprise nonbelievers. After all, isn't this the same church that imprisoned Galileo for saying that the Earth revolves around the sun? Doesn't the Bible say that God created man -- not little green men -- in his image?

Indeed, many observers assert that aliens would be bad for believers. Jill Tarter, director of the Center for SETI Research, once wrote that finding intelligent other-worldly life "will be inconsistent with the existence of God or at least organized religions." But such predictions tend to come from outside Christianity. From within, theologians have debated the implications of alien contact for centuries. And if one already believes in angels, no great leap of faith is required to accept the possibility of other extraterrestrial intelligences.

Since God created the universe, theologians say, he would have created aliens, too. And far from being weakened by contact, Christianity would adapt. Its doctrines would be interpreted anew, the aliens greeted with open -- and not necessarily Bible-bearing -- arms.

"The main question is, 'Would religion survive this contact?'" said NASA chief historian Steven J. Dick, author of The Biological Universe. "Religion hasn't gone away after Copernican theory, after Darwin. They've found ways to adapt, and they'll find a way if this happens, too," Dick says.

The central conundrum posed to Christianity by alien contact would involve the Incarnation -- the arrival of Jesus Christ as God's representative on Earth, his crucifixion and the absolution of humanity's sins through his forgiveness.

"It would still be true -- but if there are other races and intelligences, then what is the meaning of this visit to our race at that time?" asked Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno, who in 2005 penned the booklet Intelligent Life in the Universe?

Some propose that the Earthly incarnation of Jesus some 2,000 years ago redeemed all intelligent creatures, in all places and -- since a space-faring race is likely older than us -- in all times. Others have suggested that Jesus could take multiple forms.

"Just as Jesus is human like you and I, you would find an alien-specific Jesus," said Pacific Lutheran Theological Seminary professor Ted Peters.

But Peters and others also say that aliens may not have fallen into sin, instead existing in a state of grace, neither having nor needing Jesus. In that case, missionaries would have no call to convert them.

"Would sin be the same on another planet as we conceive of it here? Would there even be sin, or would God be present to that species in a completely different way?" says Richard Randolph, a Kansas City University ethicist.

All this, however, assumes that humanity not only encounters new forms of life but also understands them. Other intelligences may be incomprehensible to us, thus intensifying another doctrinal question: What does it mean to be made, as the Bible proclaims, in God's image?

Many astrotheologians argue that God's image refers to our spiritual nature, with our physical forms being irrelevant. Not everyone, however, agrees.

"If there are aliens, the Bible specifically does not say that they were created in his image," said Mark Conn, pastor of the Noble Hill Baptist Church in Springfield, Missouri. "God created many other intelligent beings on this planet, and they were not created in His image."

Conn's church recently met to discuss the issues posed by extraterrestrial contact, ultimately deciding that "if they're there, they're there. It doesn't change a whole lot."

Unlike Peters, Conn suggested that missionary work may be required, something the aliens may not welcome -- especially if, as many postulate, they are technologically superior to humanity and do not have religions of their own.

"Maybe they'll say that they used to need religion but have outgrown it. Some people say that would be a great blow to religion, because if an advanced civilization doesn't need it, why do we?" said Douglas Vakoch, director of interstellar message composition at SETI.

"I don't buy it, though. I think religion meets very human needs, and unless extraterrestrials can provide a replacement for it, I don't think religion is going to go away," he continued. "And if there are incredibly advanced civilizations with a belief in God, I don't think Richard Dawkins will start believing."

Christian Theologians Prepare for Extraterrestrial Life (http://www.abcnews.go.com/print?id=5065245)


Title: Re: Christian Theologians Prepare for Extraterrestrial Life
Post by: Shammu on June 16, 2008, 12:00:42 AM
The article itself is long, and the reader does have to pay close attention as to who is actually speaking in the article. It does get a bit muddled when the author of the article is speaking for himself verses his quoting what other theologians have actually said or he has interpreted what was said by others.

I used to think that the whole aliens thing was not really an issue for the End Times, but reading this article I see that it could definitely be used for a deception that we could not really comprehend.

Quote
Unlike Peters, Conn suggested that missionary work may be required, something the aliens may not welcome -- especially if, as many postulate, they are technologically superior to humanity and do not have religions of their own.

"Maybe they'll say that they used to need religion but have outgrown it. Some people say that would be a great blow to religion, because if an advanced civilization doesn't need it, why do we?" said Douglas Vakoch, director of interstellar message composition at SETI.

If the aliens are so smart, according to these guys, why would they say they have outgrown religion (that means a belief in a Lord God Almighty to non believers), if the aliens were so smart, they would know there is a God.

First, how do we know that aliens may be superior to us? Why do SETI people assume that? Somehow these non believers (SETI) have given the aliens a purpose they cannot support (superior intelligence and purpose). Maybe God would have brought the aliens into our sphere of influence so they could learn about Jesus through us........


Title: Anglican Church: Gay 'Wedding' Broke Rules
Post by: Shammu on June 16, 2008, 12:01:37 AM
Anglican Church: Gay 'Wedding' Broke Rules

Saturday , June 14, 2008

LONDON —
A "wedding"-like ceremony between two male priests broke the Church of England's rules, a spokesman for the Anglican body said Saturday.

The two clergymen exchanged rings and vows last month at a ceremony in St. Bartholomew the Great in London, according to The Sunday Telegraph, a preview of which was made available Saturday. The paper said the ceremony included traditional marriage liturgy, hymns and a Eucharist.

The ceremony took place in defiance of the Bishop of London, in whose diocese it took place. It is likely to embolden liberal clergy who have been reluctant to offer a full "wedding service" and will open the floodgates to other homosexuals who want a traditional ceremony.

The Rev Martin Dudley conducted the ceremony and said "I believe that marriage is a union between a man and a woman, but I see nothing wrong with blessing a couple who want to make a life-long commitment to one another."

Church of England spokesman Lou Henderson said the service described by the paper violated church guidelines "in just about every respect."

Although civil partnerships between homosexual couples are officially recognized in Britain, the Church of England maintains that marriage should be between a man and a woman and its guidelines ask clergy not to bless such partnerships.

The issue of how to deal with homosexuality — both same-sex partnerships and the ordaining of gay priests — threatens to divide the 80 million-member Anglican Communion, a loose-knit worldwide Christian grouping, including the U.S. Episcopal Church.

The debate came to a head when the Episcopal Church consecrated its first openly gay bishop, V. Gene Robinson of New Hampshire, in 2003. Most Anglicans are traditionalists who believe Scripture bars gay relationships.

News of the London ceremony — which Henderson said was the first he was aware of — is likely to further irritate the communion's conservatives.

The newspaper quoted the Rt. Rev. Michael Scott-Joynt, the bishop of Winchester, as saying the service was a "wedding" "in all but name," noting the ceremony was modeled closely on the Church's marriage service and thus "flouts Church guidelines." The Most Rev. Henry Orombi, the archbishop of Uganda, called the incident "blasphemous," according to the paper.

"The leadership tried to deny that this would happen, but now the truth is out. Our respect for the Church of England will erode unless we see a return to traditional teaching," Orombi was quoted as saying.

The issue of homosexuality is likely to overshadow the once-a-decade world Anglican summit due to be held this summer. Leaders from five Anglican provinces have already said they would boycott the meeting because of Robinson's ordination.

The bishop of London, the Rt. Rev. Richard Chartres, was outside of the diocese and could not be reached for comment late Saturday, his office said.

Anglican Church: Gay 'Wedding' Broke Rules (http://www.foxnews.com/printer_friendly_story/0,3566,367106,00.html)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on June 16, 2008, 12:07:14 AM
 ???    ???    ???   Would be right.  I never cease to be amazed.  I might still be able to sell those meteor helmets.   ;)


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on June 17, 2008, 12:53:31 AM
Church of England spokesman Lou Henderson said the service described by the paper violated church guidelines "in just about every respect."


Gee.  Ya think?


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on June 17, 2008, 12:57:06 AM
I don't know about Extaterestrials, but the Catholic Church is sure on it's way to the end times!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 27, 2008, 12:23:42 PM
Presbyterians (USA) vote on homosexual ordination today

An official with the Institute on Religion & Democracy says pro-homosexual forces seem to be making inroads at the meeting of the General Assembly of the Presbyterian Church (USA).

The General Assembly meets every two years and has been meeting this week in Louisville, Kentucky. Today, delegates at the General Assembly are expected to vote on whether to ordain non-celibate homosexual men and women. Jim Berkley with Presbyterian Action of the Institute on Religion & Democracy (IRD) says if the denomination's highest governing body changes the constitution, it would be a disaster.
 
"It would allow homosexual persons to be ordained; they would remove our standard that we now have," he states. "They would also go against some of the ... church judicial rulings that have upheld our standards previously. As in one previous General Assembly, one gay activist said, 'We got the whole enchilada.' Well, this year they're going for the whole enchilada again," Berkley explains.
 
Even if pro-homosexual measures are approved by the General Assembly, Berkley notes the matter would move to regional presbyteries, which are over local churches. However, he believes a renewed push on evangelism could come out of the General Assembly.
 
"For years we've said evangelism is the number-one priority and have done nothing about it. It's been a ridiculous position, and now it looks like we may be trying to move out to do evangelism to reach out with the good news of Jesus Christ, which is the major responsibility of the church," Berkley points out.
 
The Presbyterian Church (USA) lost more than 50,000 members last year, the denomination's largest decline since 1981. Since the mid-1960s, it has lost more than two million members -- roughly half of its membership.
 
According to Associated Press, if the vote passes to change or remove a section within the Presbyterian Book of Order that requires "fidelity within the covenant of marriage between a man and a woman or chastity in singleness" for church officers, more local churches will likely leave the denomination.


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on June 27, 2008, 01:25:17 PM
Quote
The General Assembly meets every two years and has been meeting this week in Louisville, Kentucky. Today, delegates at the General Assembly are expected to vote on whether to ordain non-celibate homosexual men and women. Jim Berkley with Presbyterian Action of the Institute on Religion & Democracy (IRD) says if the denomination's highest governing body changes the constitution, it would be a disaster.
 
"It would allow homosexual persons to be ordained; they would remove our standard that we now have," he states. "They would also go against some of the ... church judicial rulings that have upheld our standards previously. As in one previous General Assembly, one gay activist said, 'We got the whole enchilada.' Well, this year they're going for the whole enchilada again," Berkley explains.

I would say that this appears to be another sign of the times. CLEARLY, there is NO RULING to be made when the RULING HAS BEEN ALREADY MADE BY GOD! So-called churches should NEVER be in the business of voting to see whether they agree with GOD or not. The RULINGS of ALMIGHTY GOD in the Old Testament and the New Testament could NOT possibly be any clearer, and NOTHING has changed. This is a HIGH CRIME against the Natural Order that GOD HIMSELF established, and GOD says it is an Abomination to HIM. The only difference in the New Testament is there is no longer a GOD-IMPOSED death sentence for same sex perversion or perversion with animals. The lack of a GOD-IMPOSED death penalty for this offense in the New Testament means nothing because man is now responsible for government. The time will come soon that CHRIST HIMSELF will RULE as KING over the earth. Evil will be crushed first and reserved for HIS Eternal Judgment. If you guess that the rulings and laws of men will make NO DIFFERENCE AT ALL - YOU ARE CORRECT! Many don't like or appreciate the THE RULINGS OF ALMIGHTY GOD, and that's simply too bad! As you read this, the time for accepting HIM and seeking forgiveness is growing short. The time will come when it's TOO LATE!

GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Romans 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on June 28, 2008, 06:06:38 PM
How can ANY church think this is okay?  But it sure seems to be in the news alot.  And not just one specific denomination either!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on June 29, 2008, 08:32:35 AM
How can ANY church think this is okay?  But it sure seems to be in the news alot.  And not just one specific denomination either!

Hello GrammyLuv,

Sister, you're completely correct. Portions of many churches are sliding down into the sewers, and a denomination name means almost nothing these days. In fact, the tags and labels of man mean less by the day now. The devil is quite capable of attacking and devouring portions of ANY CHURCH EXCEPT ONE:  THE ETERNAL CHURCH NOT MADE WITH HUMAN HANDS - THE CHURCH WHICH IS THE BODY OF CHRIST!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: HisDaughter on June 29, 2008, 10:12:03 PM
Amen to that my friend!


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Maryjane on July 01, 2008, 11:48:03 PM
The moment we took our first breath, we were born into this world..into the very core of what this world offers..sin is not new as there is nothing new under the sun..but the moment a life accepts the Lord Jesus..the moment life was given breath of the Holy Spirit..Christ living in us..the hope of Glory..A christian is not taken out of the world..but through th power of the Holy Spirit the strenth to stand in the midst of evil..Days will get worse and worse in this world..but we will stand even unto death..for to live is Christ to die is gain..Can you imagine how many become christians and do not grasp the meaning of being a christian but have made churches like that of social clubs accepting the evil and justifying it. Then when the consequences of their actions comes..they blame God..I often think of how narrow the gate is and the few that find it..If there is anyting I stess more and more is to study God's word..live it and share it..to have a foundation that cannot be shaken even when our eyes see and ears hear and when evil is thrown at us..we can stand victorious..to never forsake th fellowship that one another is encouraged..We are no better than our Master and He witnessed what we witness today..yet..He said..The poor have the gospel..the lame are healed..and showed us how o ask the Father that whatever we do brings glory to God..to feed the sheep..If there is anyting thing that we have been told to do is to preach the gospel..to preach the gospel is to preach repentance and the day is coming when to preach the gospel there will be persecution and if we think what is happening today is bad..well..it is not near as bad as it can get..but thanks be to God for His mercy on us and for the gift of His Son that gives us the power to stand in the days to come..to focus on the Lord insead of the world..that is how we will stand in the days to come..IWe do not need to fear what God has given us the victory over..



Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: nChrist on July 02, 2008, 03:38:38 AM
AMEN MARYJANE!

Sister, strength in CHRIST is going to be the key ingredient. It makes me sad to consider the over-abundance of baby Christians these days and many considering a decision for CHRIST. I'm not hinting that things are going to be easy for Strong Christians. In fact, I think that things are going to get increasingly harder. I'm just commenting that things are going to be exceptionally hard for those who are NOT strong in CHRIST. As we speak, this world is like a runaway train picking up speed going downhill into the sewers. In fact, it appears that the sewers are opening up around the world and starting to overflow. The stench is getting worse by the day. May GOD help us all.

Love in Christ,
Tom


Christian Quotes 1 - "No where in the scripture has God ever assured
anyone, baptized or not, of a carefree, no conflict existence... When
(not if) the trials come, we can be certain that they will reveal our
courage, call, commitment and convictions... Regardless of how
disheartening the difficulties can be, they should not send us into a
tailspin. Rather, they should bring out the best in the believer. They
can, if played correctly, bring us back to the biblical basics of
faith, hope and love." -- Doug Giles


Title: Re: Immoral behavior
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 03, 2008, 09:39:12 PM
'Gay' McDonald's prompts boycott
AFA urges millions to shun fast-food giant over its promotion of same-sex marriage

The American Family Association, whose earlier boycott of Ford Motor Co. over its promotion of homosexuality was dropped after company sales fell 8 percent per month for two years, now is asking consumers to stop buying Big Macs and Happy Meals at McDonald's.

In a brief announcement today, AFA, whose constituents number in the millions, said it is "asking its supporters to boycott the restaurant chain."

"This boycott is not about hiring homosexuals, or homosexuals eating at McDonald's or how homosexual employees are treated. It is about McDonald's, as a corporation, choosing to put the full weight of their organization behind promoting the homosexual agenda, including homosexual marriage," said AFA chairman Donald E. Wildmon.

AFA pointed out McDonald's donated $20,000 to the National Gay and Lesbian Chamber of Commerce in exchange for membership in the NGLCC and a seat on the group's board of directors. The NGLCC lobbies Congress on a wide range of issues, including the promotion of same-sex marriage.

AFA had asked the corporation to remove its name and logo from the NGLCC website, where it is listed as a "corporate partner and organization ally." AFA also requested that McDonald's remove the endorsement of NGLCC by Richard Ellis, vice president of communications for McDonald's USA, from the website.

"McDonald's refused both requests," the AFA announcement said. I