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Title: Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 13, 2003, 02:47:46 PM
They have finally taken "judge" Moore off the the Alabama Supreme Court for his Immoral and unlawful behavior.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102866,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102866,00.html)

Now, lets do something about Faldwell! ;D


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: aw on November 15, 2003, 12:29:07 AM
He was indeed legally removed, however, I don't think his behaviour can be accurately described as IMMORAL.

Additionally, his essential point is that God's law is not just Jewish or Chrisitian, but for all MANKIND. If you disagree with this, I suggest that you do an in-depth study of the foundations of our legal system.

regards,

aw


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 15, 2003, 12:57:38 AM
His essential point is that his own twisted view of Gods will gives him the right to break rules clearly set forth in the bible. He took an vowed to uphold the law, and by not doing so, he broke Gods law in several places. Seems kind of counter productive to me.

Show me where what he did is in the bible. I can show you where he broke a few moral laws in the bible, but I can't find a place where the bible supports what he did. I think you miss the issue in general. The issue isn't about what he was standing up for. The issue isnít that he put the 10 commandments in the courthouse. It was how he did it. He fought all he could within the law. When that didn't work, he went outside the law. Unless immoral no long referrers to disobeying Gods laws, what he did by leaving the chunk of stone there was immoral. Thatís really all it is. A chunk of stone. In 10, 20, even 30 years, that chunk of stone will not mean a thing. But in that time, the Pro-Christian and Pro-Jesus laws this man could have put on the books, that would have mattered. We have a huge lack of Godly men in the Government. We donít need godly men to put chunks of stone in rotundaís of state courthouse, and we donít need them to make major stands to defend these chunks of stone. We need them to put godly laws in the books, and make godly rulings, and we need them to make major stands to defend these Godly laws and rulings.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: twobombs on November 15, 2003, 05:09:36 AM
Hehe , silly americans...   You really have no idea ehj ? :)

The removal of the 10 commandments stone, is what it is. Removing a stone. But the driving force behind it is a force well known for European prayer warriors....

All I have to say is that the USA right now is doing a degradation in law and state in a couple of years that took western european states decades to slide down unto.

I don't know what you ppl over there did wrong; but at this speed you guys will be in a state worse then us ever where or maybe ever will be in maybe even a couple of years....

If my mind wouldn't telling me otherwise i would think that God himself is pushing the ole USA down the cliff....  the speed of decay is really dazzling.



Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 15, 2003, 10:03:16 AM
Nice to what people from all overthe world think. Maybe they should look... oh, I don't know... ALL OVER THE WORLD befoe the attack America for its morals. Americian morals are a reflection of the immorality world wide. America fough against handing out comdoms in schools longer then any Europian nation. America still has not put up laws to protect homosexuality like so many other nations have.

Anyways, you want to know why America is going down hill morally? You want to know why the liberals are winning? It is BECAUSE of guys like "judge" Moore. Look at the ACLU and groups of this nature. They always fight IN the court system. They use the laws. Christians, we break the law, and then complain when the court rules against us. And then, instead of supporting the Truly Christian men in the Government who could turn this around, like Bush and Attorney General Pryor, we attack them.

Anyways, don't forget, twobombs, I'm the anti-christ. Boo! ;)


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: aw on November 15, 2003, 10:30:50 AM
If you are going to assert that it is in the bible then you should state chapter and verses and why you think that what he did was IMMORAL.

The scripture does say that man should obey God and not man first. I said that he was LEGALLY removed from office, but that does not make him immoral or a criminal.

I will admit that ther are gray areas, however, the fact remains that God's law is for ALL people and there is no doubt at all that our legal system is founded on biblical principles.

aw


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 15, 2003, 05:24:01 PM
Well, I figured things like keeping vows and obeying the governing authority didnít need exact citation. I mean, I learned these things from Adventures in Odyssey and Superbook and flying house and Gospel Bill when I was a little Tibby. Iíve always thought they where understood Christian values, things stated so often and so clearing in the bible citing would not be required. If I said ďkilling is a sinĒ would you ask for a citation? Come on. There is a time to ask for citations, but you are asked me to cite proof from the bible that breaking a promise it a sin. Give me a break.

Yes, yes, we are to obey God first. But I donít recall God telling us to put stone monuments of the Ten Commandants up.

He was legally removed from office because he broke the law.

You keep saying our system was founded on biblical principles like it has some kind of berring the topic at hand. So what? Our legal system was founded on the bible, yes, not our architecture.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: aw on November 16, 2003, 01:23:39 AM
So, you have no biblical references for your assertions? If they are that simple, then state them please. If you have none, then at least admit that your post is simply your opinion.

The point is, what is God's view of this situation? Has the man sinned? If so, what does he need to repent of, or are you just desiring to rub some salt into the wounds?

aw


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 16, 2003, 01:49:47 AM
God help me. I am to tired to deal with this kind of...

Do you read your bible!?!?!?!?

Roman 13 talks about obeying the Governing powers, for one thing.

Matthew 5 talks about Keeps Oaths.

Why am I leading you though this by the hand? Do the research your self, bub. You're not going to change your mind even if I produce a verse that says "Do not put blocks of stones in the Courthouses." and you will still disagree.

He has sinned by disobeyign the Autherity GOd put voer him, and breaking the oath to uphold the laws. He needs to repent of letting pride get in the way of good judgement. And yes, I do desirer to rub salt in the wound. DO you know whath append with salt is rubbed in a wound? This makes the scars grow stronger, and stay for a much longer time. We need to be reminded of this mistake we have made, so we don't do it again.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Allinall on November 16, 2003, 02:20:57 AM
Alright.  I'll play the devil's advocate... ;D

Tibby,

Does there ever come a point that we don't obey the governmental authority?


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: aw on November 16, 2003, 08:33:06 AM
God help me. I am to tired to deal with this kind of...

Do you read your bible!?!?!?!?

aw: You are making my point and are appearing much worse than Judge Moore as youe contentious spirit arises. Your comment, the way you posted it, is essentially "hollering" at a fellow believer in a temper tantrum and diatribe of "Are you stupid?"

I do read it and daily and it syas that man ought to obey God!!!!(My hollering back, so I'll ask forgiveness in advance and forgive you for your HOLLERING!)

Roman 13 talks about obeying the Governing powers, for one thing.

Matthew 5 talks about Keeps Oaths.

Why am I leading you though this by the hand? Do the research your self, bub. You're not going to change your mind even if I produce a verse that says "Do not put blocks of stones in the Courthouses." and you will still disagree.

aw: We are not dealing with "blocks of stone" but "PRINCIPLES." I have alsready admitted that there are gray areas and the subject is difficult becaause of the manner in which he chose to demonstrae his point. However, it was a group of liberal judges who made the decision and he is paying the penalty that is due from the recognized legal authorities.

He has sinned by disobeyign the Autherity GOd put voer him, and breaking the oath to uphold the laws. He needs to repent of letting pride get in the way of good judgement. And yes, I do desirer to rub salt in the wound. DO you know whath append with salt is rubbed in a wound? This makes the scars grow stronger, and stay for a much longer time. We need to be reminded of this mistake we have made, so we don't do it again.

aw: Then you should read all of the chapter in Romans for your own sake.

My only point is still, and he is correct on this, God's law is for all people for all time.

Regards,

aw


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on November 16, 2003, 09:45:00 AM
God help me. I am to tired to deal with this kind of...

Do you read your bible!?!?!?!?

Roman 13 talks about obeying the Governing powers, for one thing.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
ó The First Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

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Matthew 5 talks about Keeps Oaths.
 
   
      How about Judge Moore Oath to upholed the Alabama state constution, even the part that requires that Elected Office Holders be Christians.
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Why am I leading you though this by the hand? Do the research your self, bub. You're not going to change your mind even if I produce a verse that says "Do not put blocks of stones in the Courthouses." and you will still disagree.

He has sinned by disobeyign the Autherity GOd put voer him, and breaking the oath to uphold the laws. He needs to repent of letting pride get in the way of good judgement. And yes, I do desirer to rub salt in the wound. DO you know whath append with salt is rubbed in a wound? This makes the scars grow stronger, and stay for a much longer time. We need to be reminded of this mistake we have made, so we don't do it again.

          1 John 5
1   Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.
2   By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3   For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
       Judge Moore has said repeatedly that obeying the Fed. Court He would be going agenst the oath he took to the Al. St Supreem Court.  
       
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Moore, whose cause has rallied religious conservatives across the country, argued he was upholding his oath of office and promises to Alabama voters when he refused to move the 5,300-pound granite monument.

  "Not only did I fulfill what I told the people of Alabama I would do, I also had a duty to uphold the constitutions of the United States and the state of Alabama. They both acknowledge God," Moore said.

Quote from http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102866,00.html


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 16, 2003, 11:07:43 AM
Allinall- Good Question, and a long debate. Start a new topic. :)

Aw- Oh, Tibby is throwing a temper tantrum. Deal with it. You where asking me to cite references for specific law in the bible that have formed the Christian moral code as we know it.
Principle. Donít make me laugh. Personally, Iíd rather see him stay in office and make countless laws that are for the Christian faith and the Christian way of life, then to stand up for a silly notion like ďPrinciple.Ē Principles are all well and good, but sometimes, ideas like this just are not practical. And this was one of those time.

Forrost- Iím glad you know how to copy and paste the U.S. Constitution. :)

So what if the oath makes he claim to be a Christian? What are you trying to imply? He can be a Christian and take the Stone down. The Attorney General of the state who fought against him was a Christian. He has been taking MUCH more political heat the ďJudgeĒ Moore throughout the span of his career for his Christian view points. Lets cheer guys like him. The AG has stood up against issues such as Homosexuality, and liberals on the National level have taken notice and attacked him for it. He has done more to further Christianity in his state then Moore ever will. Why are you praising a man who would squabble over a non-issue like the dťcor of a lobby?

So, please, Forrest, explain to me how a Hunk of Stone saves you. I donít see a part of the bible you could be about to inferred from that even says what he did will make him any more of a Christian, or that by taking it down he is any less. Iíd like to see how take his stand in the court, when he is ON the bench, not FACING it.  


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Symphony on November 16, 2003, 12:56:07 PM
Hmmm.  Sorry, Tibby (   8) ), I'm going to have to go to the mat with you on this one.    :'(

It was how he did it. He fought all he could within the law. When that didn't work, he went outside the law.

Wrong.   Sorry.  If you'd followed the history of this case, you would know that it all began with a simple wood carving, of the commandments, which Judge Moore did in his home shop, to hang on his wall at the court building, as a local circuit court judge, in 1993.  Surely you would have nothing wrong with that.  Just a copy of the commandments to hang on the courthouse wall.

But the ACLU, and two other civil rights groups, filed suit.

They are the one's who began the argument.

The Ten Commandments have been hanging in pubic places since the beginning of this country.

It's the plaintiffs who started this.   Not Judge Moore.

And they've cleverly enough worked it all around to where now you are rooting for them--against Judge Moore, a decorated Viet Nam veteran, graduate of West Point, who is not a fanatic(hehe, just notice last week's quote from Alabama's attorney general, that Judge Moore, is "unrepentent".  Hmm, so the secular, pagan society can accuse christians of being "unrepentent", but if we accuse them of being unrepentent, suddenly, we're "religious fanatics".  Hehe.  Makes sense to me!!   ::))

Hmmm, twobombs.  I think you are right on the money.  I don't think we can get there fast enough.

But, as others here are reminding us,  Praise be To God, in all things.  And in Him are our true rest and strength.





Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: twobombs on November 16, 2003, 01:03:17 PM
Tibby: The German generals and commanders defended themselves after the 2nd world war with : " Befehl ist befehl".
Interpreted in English: "The order was given from a higher chain of command, and therefore executed; no questions asked."

Be carefull: we need to obey the law in any given county as long as it does not bring our souls into trouble regarding the incorruptable inheritage we have been building up so cautiously.

I do not think I have enough information to judge or praise this judge; although I do have a tendency to praise him as he was critical amidst court orders that he knew could get him out-of-office.

It is often that when one stands for the principles of God one is almost automatically rejected by everyone else.

So tibby, by the letter you are soo right, but I doubt wether grace will keep your judgement standing.....


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Symphony on November 16, 2003, 01:32:39 PM

Yes, questioning the authorities.  Thanks twobombs.  Yes, very critical.  But with utmost care.

I was trying to demonstrate to Tibby that if the true "perps" in this case have their way, they want you to think that Judge Moore is the true "perp".  What in fact happened was, that each time they, the plaintiffs, raised "the ante", so did simply Judge Moore, up the chain of courts, there in Alabama--all the way up to the highest judicial postion in that state, Chief Justice.  They were asking him to back down.  And for something that already is hanging or otherwise portrayed in many public places nationwide.  They are merely using Judge Moore as the starting place, the whipping boy, the guinea pig, on which to project their socialist, anit-God--and very unforgiving--agenda--like in Stalinist Russia.  And they ARE succeeding.  You are entirely correct.

They've succeeded, quite admirably, I might add, in getting folks, including Tibby, to see that Judge Moore is the perp(perpetrator).  When in fact they are the perps.

That's how Satan always works.  Satan is "good".  Anyone who dares to defy him, is "evil".

But, as you remind us, all of this must be undertaken with the utmost in prayer, and humility.  It is God who will fight--and win--the battle.

   :)


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 17, 2003, 10:44:52 PM
Sym- I donít see how knowing the history changes the argument. It doesnít matter who brought the complaint up. The ACLU didnít make Moore break the law. Moore did that all by him self. I am not rooting for them, Iím booing Moore. I never said I think the 10C should be taken down in the first place, I just donít see how not taking them down would break Biblical commandments.

Sym, in your last post, you missed one basic fact. Judge Moore IS the perp. He broke the law, making him a perpetrator. There is no need for anyone to convince anyone else of anything. It is FACT. Yes, they ARE succeeding, and you know why? Because they are using the court, using the law to fight, while men like Moore break the law. We lose all creditability and respectability this way. Oh, we are telling everyone the ACLU are the bad guy, but we are the ones breaking laws to get our way. Come on ,to the person on the outside looking in, who looks like the bad guys? The ones following due process and abiding the law, or the ones breaking it?

You say God wins? Well, Moore lost. Think about that.

Twobombs- Thanks for putting things into perspective. USA Gov= Nazi Germany. Now things are so much clearer. Will we Christian we herded into gas chambers and used in gruesome medical experiments next? Will the Local Police use us as target practice now? Well we now be starved and overcrowded and abuses and treated like cattle in a concentration camp? I donít know, you are the resident Gnostic, Twobombs. Use some of that magical Secret knowledge and tell us what the future holds.

Get real, These are 2 different circumstances. Your asking why this is different? Reread this paragraph. We are not going to me herded into gas chambers, used in gruesome medical experiments, used as target practice,  starved, overcrowded, abuses, or treated like cattle in a concentration camp. Have some respect for the people who died under Hitlerís reign. Those people would have given anything to live in America now, even with its problems. Donít compare such things, it is insulting.

My problem isnít that he put up the Golden calfÖ I mean monument to the Commandments. My problem isnít that he fought to keep them. The problem I have is this:

While we can prove biblically what he did was wrong, I have yet to see anyone use the bible to show me he is in the right. I could go so far as to bring up verses about idols (Iím not, but I could). I want to see some biblical evidence that supports Judge Mooreís action when read in Context. I want to know how taking a statue down when asked to by the men God put in Authority over you is a sin.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on November 17, 2003, 10:54:45 PM
    Tibby;
    you say judge Moore broke the law, what law. ???


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 17, 2003, 11:01:58 PM
He disobeyed a direct court order.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Petro on November 17, 2003, 11:23:28 PM
They have finally taken "judge" Moore off the the Alabama Supreme Court for his Immoral and unlawful behavior.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102866,00.html (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,102866,00.html)

Now, lets do something about Faldwell! ;D

tibby,

For a supposed college student you do, have a problem defining words properly, this another incident where you have chosen the wrong words, and then appear to revel in it, attacking another christian.

Immoral is defined as unchaste, lewd, and I doubt you know this man well enough to make such a judgement.

As for unlawful, you are wrong again, in as much as unlawful is defined as against the law.

And there is presently no law preventing any type of religious symbols from being displayed in any public building.

And, Everyone knows it is not against the law.

Today, liberal active judges, have usurped the power given to the legislature by the people, for the legislating of laws, they have inserted their own liberal views into social policy cases, and by it they are slowly eroding the rights of the religious establishment.

I don't see what good displaying the 10 commandments does in a building except to remind the public of the the countries judeo christian heritage especially its establishing of the foundational laws of the nation.

However, the actions of Judge Moore did not violate a law, and this does not make his refusal to obey an order, while a case is on appeal, any more unlawful, than any other official such as a gorvenor of state refusing to obey a Federal mandate.

States are soveriegn, and are not under obilgation to obey Federal Laws unless ratified by the legilature, or by executivce order of the Governor.

So at best, what the Judge was found guilty of  and Ethics Violation by refusing to comply with an order handed down by a Federal Magistrate, this was the finding of an Ethics Panel made up of 9 State Justices.  And the reason why he was removed from office.

It doesn't surprise me, to hear you speak like this against fellow Christians, since from our other conversations your theology lacks wisdom and understanding of the Word of God.

Your accusations are totally uncalled for , and they really make me wonder where your allegiance really lies.


Petro



Petro
 


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 18, 2003, 12:02:56 AM
For a supposed college graduate you do, have a problem reading posts properly, this another incident where you have posted a reply to me without reading the post properly, and then appear to revel in attacking my spelling and grammar because you would rather play the insult game the discuses a serous topic we are facing as Christians.

Immoral is said in relation to his behavior, not his person. This is clearly stated in my first post.

As for unlawful, you are wrong again, as he did in fact break law.

And there is presently a ruling that states Judge Moore had to remove the 10 commandments from the Rotunda.

And, Everyone knows the courts rulings make and shape law.

Today, right wing activists, have usurped the power, and has inserted their own self-serving views, using well meaning but mislead Christians to blindly follow because of a very biblical quotes, and by it they are slowly eroding the credibility and freedom of the Church by giving the Liberals even more firepower against us.

I don't see what good keeping the 10 commandments does in except to make people take notice of the person fighting the battle.

 Further more, the actions of Judge Moore did violate a law, and but this I mean his refusal to obey a court order, after the case has been decided.

States are not sovereign nations, and are not under obligation to obey Federal Laws unless the federal law state as such. What good are federal laws if they are a choice? In any rate, the Federal court is the highest court in the land, more powerful then any single state or circle court.

So at best, what the Judge was found guilty of  and Ethics Violation by refusing to comply with an order handed down by a Federal Magistrate, this was the finding of an Ethics Panel made up of 9 State Justices.  And the reason why he was removed from office.
(No need to change that last phrase, it was correct)

IĎm not even going to bother to spoof this last one, Iím just going to ask you to give me biblical proof to support Moore. Since you think I lacks wisdom and understanding of the Word of God, enlighten me. This is one of the few posts of yours Iíve ever read without biblical quotes, even thought I have requested someone do so. So please, lets see some verses to support what he did.


Love,
Chris


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on November 18, 2003, 12:17:03 AM
He disobeyed a direct court order.
   
    When did a court order become law, and when did the courts start make laws , according to the U.S. Constitution only congress has the abillty to pass laws.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 18, 2003, 12:37:10 AM
   When did a court order become law, and when did the courts start make laws , according to the U.S. Constitution only congress has the abillty to pass laws.

A court order isn't law in self, but following or not following a court order is a whole other pickle.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on November 18, 2003, 01:06:11 AM
   When did a court order become law, and when did the courts start make laws , according to the U.S. Constitution only congress has the abillty to pass laws.

A court order isn't law in self, but following or not following a court order is a whole other pickle.
  Yes it is a court order is not law thus in not following one you are not braking law, they may find you in contemt but that does not make you a criminal. I know the time will come when we will be told to Christ or die. but where do we draw the line is it ok to hide it till then I belive we should take our stand loudly proclaim Christ when we accept Him as our Savour, in any,and all we do, and I say YEA to Judge Moore for having the courge to take his stand.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Petro on November 18, 2003, 01:24:25 AM
For a supposed college graduate you do, have a problem reading posts properly, this another incident where you have posted a reply to me without reading the post properly, and then appear to revel in attacking my spelling and grammar because you would rather play the insult game the discuses a serous topic we are facing as Christians.

Immoral is said in relation to his behavior, not his person. This is clearly stated in my first post.

As for unlawful, you are wrong again, as he did in fact break law.

And there is presently a ruling that states Judge Moore had to remove the 10 commandments from the Rotunda.

And, Everyone knows the courts rulings make and shape law.

Today, right wing activists, have usurped the power, and has inserted their own self-serving views, using well meaning but mislead Christians to blindly follow because of a very biblical quotes, and by it they are slowly eroding the credibility and freedom of the Church by giving the Liberals even more firepower against us.

I don't see what good keeping the 10 commandments does in except to make people take notice of the person fighting the battle.

 Further more, the actions of Judge Moore did violate a law, and but this I mean his refusal to obey a court order, after the case has been decided.

States are not sovereign nations, and are not under obligation to obey Federal Laws unless the federal law state as such. What good are federal laws if they are a choice? In any rate, the Federal court is the highest court in the land, more powerful then any single state or circle court.

So at best, what the Judge was found guilty of  and Ethics Violation by refusing to comply with an order handed down by a Federal Magistrate, this was the finding of an Ethics Panel made up of 9 State Justices.  And the reason why he was removed from office.
(No need to change that last phrase, it was correct)

IĎm not even going to bother to spoof this last one, Iím just going to ask you to give me biblical proof to support Moore. Since you think I lacks wisdom and understanding of the Word of God, enlighten me. This is one of the few posts of yours Iíve ever read without biblical quotes, even thought I have requested someone do so. So please, lets see some verses to support what he did.


Love,
Chris


The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple.

Petro


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Reba on November 18, 2003, 12:25:23 PM
Was a law broken when the "stone" was placed in the court house? Was the law developed to deprive this person right of free excerise?


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 18, 2003, 12:35:43 PM
Iím just not saying it right, am I Forrest? Nevermind.

As for Judge Moore ďcourage,Ē Iíd rather he focus is courage toward fighting things like Gay rights and Pro-Choice. You may think a block of stone is important, but the time will come when Alabama will face issues like accepting Gay Marriage, and in that time, the people of Alabama and of America will wish we had more strong Christian men on office, because we will need all the help we can get. And now, we lost one more, over something as silly as the Dťcor of a courthouse. PLEASE. Let the ACLU decorate the Rotunda, who cares as long as Christian Judges are at the bench. Now, they ACLU not only got the 10 Commandments taken out, they have successfully taken a Christian out of Government. And you cheer this? What Moore did played right into the liberal agenda. Courage and stupidity are sometimes similar, but do not confuse them. With one less Christian in the Government, the Liberals are one step closer to achieving their goals.

Amen Petro.

Reda- The deceptive manor in which the stone was placed in the courthouse isnít an issue. No laws where broken there.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on November 19, 2003, 12:35:44 AM
    Tibby;

       It is true that the liberals are a step closer to there goal but if the Christians would have opened there ears,and eyes 50to60 years ago and made a stand then, as Judge Moore has, and others like him have as of late than we wouldn't have this fight now. Every Brother, and Sister that has the Corage to standup for there faith should be given our harty THANKYOU and  support.
           
                    I personaly say We should say THANKYOU GOD FOR JUDGE MOORE AND OTHERS LIKE HIM


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Tibby on November 19, 2003, 08:59:29 AM
No, Thank God for AG Pryor, who has both the courage to stand up for Christ, and the Knowledge to know when not to get int oa fight with Forces he cant beat. Thank God for AG Pryor who will not play politics, and willdo the right thing, even when it goes against his part. Thank God for Men like AG Pryor, who actually know what the right thing is!

Bill Pryor is the man the Lib's love to hate. He if forced to face them daily, and he so with tact and the grace of god, and on one ever praises him. Does he get anyone rallying support? No! This is the men who Boycotted Dinseny because of Gay-day, much to his childerns upset. This Man is fighting for Christians within the Law. He is useing  the system, not rebelling against it, and he gets nothing. Jeering from both sides. Judge Moore made a non-issue into an issue, broke the law, and deceptively places the block in the courthouse at 12 midnight, and he gets praised.

Personally, I don't think it is fair. Judge Moore is the kind of man the ACLU drinks to. The ACLU of the ACLU wish more Christians where like Judge Moore. THen they could be running the country  in a Month! Oh, the libs LOVE Judge Moore, the love him more then any christian group ever will. They HATE Bill Pryor.


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on December 03, 2003, 09:41:34 AM
 
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LAW OF THE LAND
Roy Moore appeals
removal from office
'10 Commandments judge' battling
to regain Alabama chief justice post

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Posted: December 3, 2003
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Art Moore
© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Former Alabama Chief Justice Roy Moore will appeal his removal from office by tomorrow, he said in an interview with WorldNetDaily.

Alabama's nine-member Court of the Judiciary voted unanimously to oust Moore Nov. 13 for defiance of a federal judge's order to remove a 10 Commandments monument he installed in the rotunda of the state courthouse two years ago. If the ruling stands, Gov. Bob Riley will appoint a new chief justice.


Roy Moore (Photo: WSFA.com)

Moore has been accused of not abiding by the rule of law for his unwillingness to comply with U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson's order. But Moore will argue it is Thompson who flouted the law when he ruled the two-ton granite memorial violated the First Amendment's Establishment Clause, which says Congress shall make no law establishing a religion.

Moore argues the monument has nothing to do with Congress making a law and points out the Alabama state Constitution requires an acknowledgement of God.

"The rule of law is not Judge Thompson's order, but what the law says," he told WND. "There are too many people in our country who don't recognize that the rule of law is not whatever a judge says. If that were true, judges in Hitler's Germany would have been correct ordering people to die."

One of the points Moore's attorneys will emphasize is Thompson's unwillingness to define what religion means.

In his 94-page opinion, Thompson said Moore's "definition of religion proves, if anything, that it is unwise, and even dangerous, to put forth, as a matter of law, one definition of religion under the First Amendment."

Moore commented: "This judge said, in his own opinion, the court does not have the expertise to define the word religion. ... Now when you do that, you can't interpret law."

Thompson, he contended, "didn't follow the law, he followed his own feelings, and therefore, when they say I violated the rule of law by not following his orders, then it does matter how he interprets the statute."

Moore further maintains the code of ethics by which he was prosecuted is based on an acknowledgment of God.

"That was shown during the trial," he said. "But today they say to acknowledge God is a violation of that code of ethics if a judge tells you to stop and you don't obey that order."

The Nov. 13 judgment [Pdf file requires Adobe Reader] said the panel "has found that Chief Justice Moore not only willfully and publicly defied the orders of a United States district court, but upon direct questioning by the court, he also gave the court no assurances that he would follow that order or any similar order in the future.

"In fact," the judgment continued, "he affirmed his earlier statements in which he said he would do the same. Under these circumstances, there is no penalty short of removal from office that would resolve this issue."

After the decision, Moore stated, "It's about whether or not we can acknowledge God as the source of our law and our liberty. That's all I've done. I've been found guilty."



Roy Moore in court Nov. 13. (Sketch provided to WND by H.L. Chappelear)

Some critics of Moore who agree with his position on the First Amendment, argue his decision two year ago to set up a Ten Commandments monument in the state court building is not the only way to acknowledge God and accuse him of grandstanding.

He insists he is acting on principle.

"It's odd to be accused of grandstanding and political purposes when I'm excluded from office, lose my retirement and everything else," he said. "That doesn't make sense."

Moore did not rule out political office, however, saying if not restored as chief justice, "I'll make plans to get a job, whether it be practicing law, speaking, teaching the First Amendment, or running for public office. I haven't made any decision yet."

He acknowledged his case has been "more about restoring the acknowledgement of God than the Ten Commandments monument," but downplayed the notion he is the leader of a growing movement.

"That's for others to assess," he said. "I just see myself as a person who is trying to do my job and lost it."

He already has responded to a number of invitations across the country, nevertheless, speaking to many who say his battle has touched a chord.

"I see a groundswell of change coming into our country Ė an awakening to the true meaning of the Constitution," he said.

On Nov. 17, Moore announced he is proposing federal legislation to reassert the power he insists Congress already has to limit the jurisdiction of federal courts.

He made a veiled reference to his legislative move immediately after he was removed from office, promising he would make an announcement that "could alter the course of this country."

"It entails a restriction of the jurisdiction of the courts under Article III, according to the Constitution, from matters with which they're not supposed to be involved anyway," he explained.

"In other words," he continued, "when courts have usurped jurisdiction of the Constitution, of the meaning of the First Amendment, when they've intruded powers where they don't have a right to be, then the Congress has a right, under the Constitution to restrict the appellate jurisdiction of the United States Supreme Court and the federal district courts, which Congress has created."

The legislation will address that issue he said, along with the "right of the states to be free to acknowledge God."

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35927


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Forrest on December 03, 2003, 09:47:45 AM
LAW OF THE LAND
Alabama voters file suit to restore Moore
Claim 'disenfranchised' by unelected panel that ousted chief justice

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Posted: November 20, 2003
6:35 p.m. Eastern



© 2003 WorldNetDaily.com

Supporters of "10 Commandments judge" Roy Moore are filing a federal lawsuit to restore him to his position as Alabama's chief justice.

Five Alabama voters allege in the suit their constitutional rights were violated when an unelected panel removed Moore, an elected state official, last week.


Alabama Attorney General Bill Pryor (Photo: WSFA.com)

Alabama's nine-member Court of the Judiciary removed Moore Nov. 13 for defiance of a federal judge's order to move a 10 Commandments monument he installed in the rotunda of the state courthouse two years ago. Moore has not decided whether to appeal the decision to the state Supreme Court. If the ruling stands, Gov. Bob Riley will appoint a new chief justice.

One of the plaintiffs, Christian talk show host Kelly McGinley of Mobile, Ala., alleges Moore's removal "disenfranchised" her as a voter.

Attorney General Bill Pryor, who successfully prosecuted Moore, is named as a defendant in the suit. Also named are the state of Alabama; the Judicial Inquiry Commission, which brought the charges; the Court of Judiciary; and state Comptroller Robert Childree, whose office pays state officials.

"It is deeply troubling to have an appointed, unelected commission remove an elected official from office," said Rev. Patrick Mahoney, director of the Christian Defense Coalition, in a statement. "The Court of Judiciary has overturned an election and crushed the democratic process through their actions."

At a church meeting in suburban Kansas City yesterday, Moore once again emphasized his belief the country should acknowledge God has a place in public life.

"We need to wake up to what this country is about, and quit thinking that God dwells in temples made of hands," Moore said, according to the Associated Press. "We think we can contain him within four walls of a church. I think this is an egregious error."

Moore was asked by the pastor of the congregation, Jerry Johnston of First Family Church in Overland, Kan., if he thinks God will judge America.

"I think if God doesn't judge America, he'd have to apologize to Sodom and Gomorrah," Moore said, according to the AP.

But he remains optimistic.

"I know that it seems impossible, but just as it seems impossible, God starts to work," he said. "The question before America is will we acknowledge the God on which this nation was founded."

Yesterday, the state's acting Chief Justice Gorman Houston claimed Moore owes Alabama the $7,000 it cost to move his monument into a storage room.


Roy Moore (Photo: WSFA.com)

At a news conference, he claimed Moore had agreed to costs of moving the 5,300 pound granite monument in and out of the Alabama Judicial Building where Moore installed it two years ago.

Moore fired back with a statement, however, insisting it is Houston who cost Alabama an unnecessary expense by being so anxious to move it out of public view.

On Monday, Moore announced he is proposing federal legislation to reassert the power he insists Congress already has to limit the jurisdiction of federal courts.

As WorldNetDaily reported, U.S. District Judge Myron Thompson ordered removal of the washing machine-sized monument on Aug. 5, ruling it violates the Constitution's ban on government establishment of religion.

Moore refused to remove the monument, declaring, "The point is, it's not about violation of order, it's about violation of my oath of office. And my oath of office to the Constitution requires an acknowledgment of God," he said. "It's that simple."

On Aug. 28, state workers moved the monument from the rotunda of the Judicial Building to a non-public back room.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=35734


Title: Re:Thank you God
Post by: Petro on December 03, 2003, 12:05:30 PM
Thanks for the update Bro. Forrest,

This ought to astonish blind liberals even moreso, isn't this what there own arguments would be, if one of theres was removed by unelected officials.


Keep Praying, Gods will be done..


Blessings,

Petro