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Title: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: TalkerCat on April 03, 2006, 03:16:44 PM
Good Day Brothers and Sisters,

Last evening as I was dozing off, I heard the prelim to a program that was airing later that night.  One of the feature stories was about a book called "The Jesus Papers".  Today I googled it to find out what it was ~ I'm outraged!  First we had "The Da Vinci Code" claiming that Jesus and Mary Magdelane married and had children.  Now we have "The Jesus Papers" claiming that Jesus survived the crucifixion and was never "divine". . . that the divinity is a myth created by Constantine.

I don't know any more about the book.  Has anyone else heard of it?  What are these people going to say to God when faced with their accountability on earth?  My, my, my ....

Blessings,
TalkerCat



Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 03, 2006, 03:34:48 PM
Hi sister, yes, it is complete blasphemy done by someone that either has not read or does not understand the Bible. This is a variation of an old false teaching that is rising back up again. islamics believe that Jesus did not die on the cross and will return in the end times, live here on earth for 40 years then die and be buried. I really do believe that we are seeing the falling away spoken of in the Bible and as such we will be seeing more and more of this type of garbage that will lead many people away from Jesus Christ. Not only is it outrageous but it is quite saddening to think of all the lost souls that will be mislead by this garbage and have to suffer forever for it.

It is important that we work our hardest to get the truth out ......

Jesus Christ is very God. There is but one way for man to avoid the pain and suffering of eternal damnation ....  Jesus Christ is the truth, the way and the life!




Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 03, 2006, 03:36:44 PM
Hey Sister Terri  :D,   
I haven't heard anything about that, but I do know that this weekend sometime on the Discovery Channel they had a program about (now get this) The Gospel of Judas... do you believe that??   ???I didn't watch the program because I was at the Christian Festival, but when they were announcing it they said "now everything we have heard about the Bible and Jesus may change" See satan is getting very desperate now he know he is doomed and he knows it will be very soon, so he wants to take as many souls with him as he can. I pray for each and every unbeliever's eyes to be opened that they may be able to escape from the snares of the devil. All this garbage is comming straight from satan himself.
As far as I am concerned EVERYTHING I need to know is in God's Word. And if I have any questions, I go to my prayer closet and ask Him.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: Shammu on April 03, 2006, 03:38:01 PM
Sister, look at the verses of  Matthew 24:3, 5, 11 3 While He was seated on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately and said, Tell us, when will this take place, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end (the completion, the consummation) of the age? 5 For many will come in (on the strength of) My name [appropriating the name which belongs to Me], saying, I am the Christ (the Messiah), and they will lead many astray. 11 And many false prophets will rise up and deceive and lead many into error.

Sister Terri, these people will learn of Gods Wraith, when the time of Tribulation is upon them.


Title: Jesus papers
Post by: spectre260 on April 05, 2006, 01:18:11 PM
I don't know if this is the right room to start a topic about this but I really wanted it to get out of my mind..

It really bothers me that some guy had the nerve to write that Jesus didn't die and He married Magdalene.... Also this book holy grail, da vinci code, Jesus papers.... They bother me alot....

I can't help thinking that readers of these books will actually believe the words of those men who wrote this books not the word of God Himself....

They even say that Jesus has a bloodline of some sort...

Is this part of the prophecy that many people will lose faith or something like that???

........ ..........I think I want answers or................ ...............
there I said it out.. I think I feel better


Title: Re: Jesus papers
Post by: Soldier4Christ on April 05, 2006, 01:29:18 PM
You are right in being bothered about it. Any time that such false lies are spread about our Lord and Saviour it should bother us. We are told that many will be deceieved and that is exactly what is happening. Yes the word of God is the only truth that we should listen to.



Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 05, 2006, 03:01:21 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

It appears there are new false cults and false religions popping up on every corner. The money and the resources of the devil appear to grow by the hour, and much worse is yet to come. (IF) the end of this age is approaching, we know that the devil will take over and people will be hit with lies from every angle. Deception is a very powerful tool that the devil will use.

Regardless, this is a time to become strong in the LORD and the power of HIS MIGHT. Bible Study and prayer are two of the best things that we can encourage for our friends, our family members, and ourselves.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 1:16-17 NASB  For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.  For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 05, 2006, 03:25:48 PM
Amen Brother, we have to stay alert, and pray without ceasing.


Title: Re: Jesus papers
Post by: LittlePilgrim on April 05, 2006, 03:51:08 PM
Pastor Roger, let me say Amen!

People are so easily deceived in this day an age, I think, because they want to be. They don't want to acknowledge God or Christ, and the only way they can justify this lack of acknowledgement is to perpetuate a lie that either says He does not exist (*coughtmacro-evolutioncough*), or a lie about Christ and His work on the earth. (*coughdavincicodecough*)


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: Shammu on April 05, 2006, 11:09:44 PM
Brothers and Sisters,

It appears there are new false cults and false religions popping up on every corner. The money and the resources of the devil appear to grow by the hour, and much worse is yet to come. (IF) the end of this age is approaching, we know that the devil will take over and people will be hit with lies from every angle. Deception is a very powerful tool that the devil will use.

Regardless, this is a time to become strong in the LORD and the power of HIS MIGHT. Bible Study and prayer are two of the best things that we can encourage for our friends, our family members, and ourselves.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 1:16-17 NASB  For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.  For in it the righteousness of God is revealed from faith to faith; as it is written, "BUT THE RIGHTEOUS man SHALL LIVE BY FAITH."
Brother, that is why I started the False Prophets (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=10739.msg136139#new) in the Bible Prescription Shop. The word needs to be spread, before it is to late.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 06, 2006, 12:57:16 AM
Brother, that is why I started the False Prophets (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?topic=10739.msg136139#new) in the Bible Prescription Shop. The word needs to be spread, before it is to late.

Amen Dreamweaver!

Brother, you just added some more to my study list. YES, there is urgency to share the Good News. I have wondered about the effects of all the horrible and evil things happening right now throughout the world. Will the lost be more or less receptive to the Gospel of God's Grace? I don't think that any of us know that answer, so all we can do is pray and ask God to strengthen and guide us into His Will. There is much work to do and possibly little time left to do it in. I am hoping that more and more Christians will say, "Here am I LORD, send me."

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 10:11 NASB  "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: Shammu on April 06, 2006, 01:17:49 AM
Brother, that is why we must at least, plant the seeds of the Lord. So that when we are called home, those who have had the seeds planted in them can still learn of the mercies of Jesus. Thats also why, my webpages have been created. I'm sure your Blackeyedpeas Website (http://www.sirinet.net/~blkidps/index.html) have been created as well. To bring those who wantr to learn of the Lord, can.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 06, 2006, 02:18:48 AM
Dreamweaver,

Brother, I love the promise of GOD that HIS WORD will never return void. The things of the LORD are never wasted, and I give thanks for that.

On one side of the coin, I think of the Internet as a horrible and evil place where the devil is devouring hosts.

On the other side of the coin, I think of the many thousands of Christian web sites that are spreading the GOSPEL and the things of the LORD. It makes me happy to know that God uses it and nothing is ever wasted. Those Christian web sites are really like a beacon of light in a massive sea of darkness. I give thanks for the many Christians who have decided to add another beacon because God will use them.

YES, I love knowing that GOD uses us to plant seeds, and I trust GOD that many of those seeds will sprout.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Philippians 1:6 NASB  For I am confident of this very thing, that He who began a good work in you will perfect it until the day of Christ Jesus.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 06, 2006, 08:47:33 AM
Amen Dreamweaver!

  Will the lost be more or less receptive to the Gospel of God's Grace? I don't think that any of us know that answer, so all we can do is pray and ask God to strengthen and guide us into His Will. There is much work to do and possibly little time left to do it in. I am hoping that more and more Christians will say, "Here am I LORD, send me."

Love In Christ,
Tom

John 10:11 NASB  "I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep.

Brother Tom I agree with you all we could do is pray and ask God to strengthen and guide us and we should also be busy going about our Father's business just as Jesus did. As for the lost being more receptive or not none of us know, however the Bibel does tell us;

Re 7:9 After these things I looked, and lo, a great multitude, which no man could number, out of all nations and kindreds and people and tongues, stood before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palms in their hands.
Re 7:13 And one of the elders answered, saying to me, Who are these who are arrayed in white robes, and from where do they come?

Re 7:14 And I said to him, Sir, you know. And he said to me, These are the ones who came out of great tribulation and have washed their robes, and have whitened them in the blood of the Lamb.

We know that there will be saints that will survive the tribulation, I just feel so sad for them because they don't have to go through the tribulation if they would accpet the Lord now.
That is why we need to be praying for the lost that their eyes shall be opened that they may see and that their ears may be opened that they may hear, that they may come to their senses and escape from the claws of the enemy and run to the Rock of salvation.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 06, 2006, 09:22:56 AM
Brother, that is why we must at least, plant the seeds of the Lord. So that when we are called home, those who have had the seeds planted in them can still learn of the mercies of Jesus. Thats also why, my webpages have been created. I'm sure your Blackeyedpeas Website (http://www.sirinet.net/~blkidps/index.html) have been created as well. To bring those who wantr to learn of the Lord, can.


On one side of the coin, I think of the Internet as a horrible and evil place where the devil is devouring hosts.

On the other side of the coin, I think of the many thousands of Christian web sites that are spreading the GOSPEL and the things of the LORD. It makes me happy to know that God uses it and nothing is ever wasted. Those Christian web sites are really like a beacon of light in a massive sea of darkness. I give thanks for the many Christians who have decided to add another beacon because God will use them.

YES, I love knowing that GOD uses us to plant seeds, and I trust GOD that many of those seeds will sprout.


Brothers, I take comfort in knowing that there are so many Christian websites and we might have to wait untill we are home to find out how many seeds were planted and how many actually accepted Jesus as their Savior before the Rapture. One thing that comforts me is knowing that God is the one Who gave man the knowledge and the inspiration to have the internet something that was totally unimaginable 30 years ago. God will and is using that knowledge He gave men for His Kingdom it is up to us to make sure that we have the Christian web sites available for every man, woman and child. The enemy will not be able to use the knowledge of technology that God has given man against God Himself. I think that God has provided and will continue to provide for His people every possible means of communication to all mankind. 

 Mt 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

That is what we are doing today. We are using every tool that we have available to preach the good news of the gospel. And that is the responsibility of every born again believer. The minute we are born-again we become preachers of the good news. The enemy may try and try to stop us all he wants to, but Jesus was already crucified, buried, raised from the dead, and has ascended into the heavens. The war has already been won, nothing the enemy does will stop us, we have the victory God is on our side. This is a whole new ballgame. So we will continue to use our time wisely and preach the word by all possible means.

Mt 6:10 Thy kingdom come. Thy will be done in earth, as it is in heaven.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: ggamble on April 06, 2006, 10:54:33 PM
Greetings Brothers and Sisters,

Our struggles not against flesh and blood, keep the Armor free of leaks and keep pressing on Saints, keep the Sword of the Spirit sharp, pray without ceasing, keep on seeking Him, carry the Cross.

I was listening to a radio program, I think it was Focus on the family, and they had a man on there that wrote a book about what was in the book that was wrong from the so called "code". I was not going to see the movie and encouraged my wife not to want to see it from what I had heard about it's way off direction. But this man made a good point about how can I witness against it if I had not seen what errors they had made in the so called story. He said they confuse the ways of the early church and felt that if people did not know much about the early church then they will probably be clouded.

So if I put that light on it, get the armor on, and go in with the counter attack thing in mind, then out will come the truth, that I  know in Him. The code, now the new one I learn on this thread, "the Jesus papers" and now the Gospel of Judas. Well now,  it tells me, all hell must be trembling, for he knows  his time is short.   Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

But some will fall prey to this junk, I  praise Jesus, God is in control. It tells me and reminds me to keep on praying for them I know that know Him not. For them  to be drawn to the knowledge of the truth, and the truth will set them free, and to plant them in the good soil. And keep pressing on in the truth, in Him, and pray without ceasing.
Blessed be His name.

Only always for Jesus
in the love of a brother
ggamble





Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 07, 2006, 12:42:31 AM
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airIam2worship Said:

We know that there will be saints that will survive the tribulation, I just feel so sad for them because they don't have to go through the tribulation if they would accpet the Lord now.
That is why we need to be praying for the lost that their eyes shall be opened that they may see and that their ears may be opened that they may hear, that they may come to their senses and escape from the claws of the enemy and run to the Rock of salvation.

Sister Maria,

This is exactly what I believe, but I would point out that many sweet Christians don't believe that the church which is the BODY OF CHRIST will be RAPTURED prior to the Tribulation Period. I think there is overwhelming Scripture and evidence in the Holy Bible to show that JESUS CHRIST will indeed catch up HIS CHURCH into the air to meet HIM and abide with HIM forever before the Tribulation Period begins. BUT, I've tried to stop debating this subject since some Brothers and Sisters get upset. AND, some Brothers and Sisters in Christ some how believe it is some sort of heresy to even believe in the Rapture of the CHURCH at all. AND, others get upset talking about the sequence of end of age events. I think it's sad that something like this causes divisions for some people we will be spending eternity with in JESUS. So, I've starting saying that we'll have to agree to disagree on that subject, but we can rejoice together that we will spend eternity together with JESUS.

Regardless of agreement or disagreement with end of this age events, this hour and this day is the best time to accept JESUS CHRIST as Lord and Saviour. This is my prayer for the lost, and I know that millions of Christians pray every day for the same thing. GOD does love to hear our prayers, especially when it's for the lost. We know from the Holy Bible that GOD doesn't want anyone to die in their sins without JESUS. We also know that the HOLY SPIRIT of GOD does soften and prepare the hearts of hosts for the WORD of GOD. Faith comes by hearing the WORD of GOD. God's children are vessels for the HOLY SPIRIT and messengers for GOD'S WORD, so our prayers can be and should be for the Living BODY OF CHRIST that we all:

1 - Pray;
2 - Study HIS WORD;
3 - Yield;
4 - Strengthen each other;
5 - Encourage each other to all go forth in the Will of GOD.


Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 105:3-4 NASB  Glory in His holy name; Let the heart of those who seek the LORD be glad.  Seek the LORD and His strength; Seek His face continually.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 07, 2006, 01:31:24 AM
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Ggamble Said:

So if I put that light on it, get the armor on, and go in with the counter attack thing in mind, then out will come the truth, that I  know in Him. The code, now the new one I learn on this thread, "the Jesus papers" and now the Gospel of Judas. Well now,  it tells me, all hell must be trembling, for he knows  his time is short.   Amen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Amen Ggamble!

Brother,

I definitely believe that the devil's time is short, and many desperate and horrible things will be done by the devil and his evil minions. YES, we do have the beautiful and powerful Armor of God. Now you've made me want to go read this portion of the Bible again right now! Brothers and Sisters, please go to Ephesians 6 and know about the "Armor of God".

I have mixed emotions about this, but I would quickly say that it should be a matter of prayer for each individual Christian. God may lead many to do different things. I will probably have to get my information from free sources since I don't have the money to make many choices. If I did have the money, I'd still have to pray about this. One of the things that would bother me is people making money with blasphemy of GOD. But, I'm convinced that GOD will use many Christians in some positive way because of all the horrible things in the media. GOD may empower an army of witnesses, and I pray that HE does.

So, I will simply pray that all Christians pray and respond in any manner that GOD leads them. This is exactly what I plan to do, regardless of money.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 27:14 NASB  Wait for the LORD; Be strong and let your heart take courage; Yes, wait for the LORD.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 07, 2006, 01:33:06 AM
Brother Tom I understand exactly what you are saying ... With God all things are possible .... so the Rapture is not something that is impossible ... just because some may not believe it doesn't make it any less likely .... God only tells us those things that our puny little minds can handle .... But regardless of whether some believe the Rapture will take place or not the important thing is that they are saved. Nowhere in the Bible does it say that if you don't believe in the Rapture you won't be. All we have to do is accept the Lord Jesus Christ as our Lord and Savior, by faith ....
This makes me think of a funny situation here at my house, my husband has a pair of olive green dress slacks, he insists they are brown .... the girls keep telling him they are olive green he says no they are brown and he truely believes they are brown, now he isn't color blind he just thinks they are brown, but whether they are olive green or brown it doesn't matter because they are still a pair of dress slacks, they still get laundered they same and they still serve the same purpose so what does it matter if they are brown or olive green, as long as he's wering the slacks who cares. God understands us better than we understand ourselves. Thank You Jesus!!! He loves us as long as we are part of His flock and that is the important thing.  :D


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 07, 2006, 02:30:44 AM
Amen Sister Maria,

You made the point in a beautiful way, belonging to JESUS is the most important decision in this short life. Differences in the very complex issues of Bible Prophecy doesn't have anything to do with being saved. In fact, I'm thinking now about the words of JESUS in Matthew when HE was talking about children and coming to HIM like a child.

You might also tell your husband that many men are at least partially color blind. My wife tells me what to wear when it's somewhat important, but having on pants, even the wrong color, is better than none.  ;D  I wore uniforms most of my life and I didn't have to worry about it. Now I'm thinking back to a time when my daughter was still at home. She told me many times that the clothes I bought were out of style by 30 years or more. So, I started taking her with me when I bought clothes.  :D  BUT, I still like the older styles, and I still wear them when I want to be comfortable. I just have to dress more appropriately when I'm with them.  :D

This really is a good example of some things that Christians argue over, even to the extent of dividing. Our LORD said to be of one mind, and I feel certain that pertained to JESUS and the Cross - Salvation from the curse of sin and death.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 118:14 NASB  The LORD is my strength and song, And He has become my salvation.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 07, 2006, 02:48:15 AM
I try not to argue about trivial little matters with anyone, especially those in the faith. It's hard enough fighting the enemy. God has a brand new set of rules for us in heaven, we will all learn a new language, a new life style, we will be reunited with loved ones that have gone ahead 40 - 50 years ago, we will be meeting OT saints, we will be meeting our friends from CU in person. But most of all we will finally get to see our Savior. I wonder sometimes what will my reaction be, will I run to His arms and hug Him? Will I be speechless? Will I fall on my knees? I don't know but I do know the day will come.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: Shammu on April 07, 2006, 02:56:55 AM
But most of all we will finally get to see our Savior. I wonder sometimes what will my reaction be, will I run to His arms and hug Him? Will I be speechless? Will I fall on my knees? I don't know but I do know the day will come.
AMEN sister, that is a day to look forwards to. I myself don't know what I will do.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: airIam2worship on April 08, 2006, 03:24:38 AM
We will have so many answers to questions we never asked, it will be so busy, but so orderly, we will have our King leading us, this bings to mind a song played on the radio quite a bit called "I can only imagine" I guess it's something Christians think about but just never mention it. All of us have wondered at least once, what it will be like when we get there, especially if we are still alive at the time and raptured and suddenly we find ourselves in a completely new place, with our God. Wow it is so much to take in. No wonder God dosen't give us all the answer, we would be able to take them all in at once.


Title: Re: THE JESUS PAPERS
Post by: nChrist on April 08, 2006, 04:23:22 AM
Amen Brother Bob and Sister Maria!

Being with JESUS and what Heaven might be like are really beyond human imagination. but these are beautiful things to dream about. The Holy Bible does give some glimpses in various portions of Scripture, and they are all incredibly beautiful. The descriptions are the opposite of what gives us sorrow in this short life on earth.

JESUS went to prepare many mansions for us. Our idea of this is based on what we consider to be a mansion on earth. We should know that the things of the LORD can never be compared to the things of this world.

There won't be any need of the sun. The LIGHT of the LAMB will be more than sufficient.

Our tears will be wiped away and there won't be any more sorrow. Just this would be almost impossible to understand. We will all be happy and full of joy for eternity.

Christians will finally and completely understand "Agape Love", a love so full that it can only be associated with JESUS. This was the Love that JESUS had for us when HE went willingly to die on the Cross in our place. We will be surrounded by "Agape Love" for eternity.

In short, nobody in this life can imagine the beauty, peace, and glory that will be in the presence of our LORD and SAVIOUR forever!

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 11:33 NASB  Oh, the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! How unsearchable are His judgments and unfathomable His ways!

Psalms 111:3 NASB  Splendid and majestic is His work, And His righteousness endures forever.