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Title: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 28, 2006, 11:38:46 PM
ok i would like to start by saying i am not a christian but i am interested in the bible my aunt is a "super" christian
well she asked me to read the bible so after a little hezitation i desided to read it in one sitting i read all of genesis and most of exudos with that said heres my question's also i dont mean to affend any one sorry if i did

1 is lilith the first wife of adam?

2 is lilith cain's wife if not who is cains wife ?

thanx for any help


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 28, 2006, 11:53:28 PM
Hi Christopher,

I'm glad to hear that she convinced you to at least read the Bible.


Lilith is a mythological person that can be found in some old books that were written by Mystics. There are many different mythological stories concerning Lilith. All of these originated long after the story of Adam and Eve and was introduced into society by outcasts of the Jewish tribes. Most of these myths claim that she was Adams first wife. However if you look into Genesis you will see that Adam had only one wife, Eve. Eve was made from Adam's rib. If you look further into and throughout the rest of the Bible it verifies that Eve was Adam's only wife.



Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 12:01:23 AM
ok i thank you for your reply

so then who was cain's wife
enoch's had to have had a mother?

this sems to be a "touchy" subject for some so agin i am sorry if i offend anyone


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: nChrist on January 29, 2006, 12:10:29 AM
ok i would like to start by saying i am not a christian but i am interested in the bible my aunt is a "super" christian
well she asked me to read the bible so after a little hezitation i desided to read it in one sitting i read all of genesis and most of exudos with that said heres my question's also i dont mean to affend any one sorry if i did

1 is lilith the first wife of adam?

2 is lilith cain's wife if not who is cains wife ?

thanx for any help

Hello Christopher,

Please quote the Scriptures you are talking about and tell us which translation of the Holy Bible you are using. I doubt that you are using the Holy Bible at all, but I will be very interested to see the Scripture quoted from the Holy Bible.

Tom


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 12:21:11 AM
as far as lilith goes thats just research ive been doing sence ive been reading wich is only like i said a couple days

the bible im reading from is - The Answer - authentic faith for an uncertain world - the holy bible - new century version

as far as wondering who cain's wife is (i hope im typing this right) genesis chapter 4 :16 "cains family"

i had a very long list of questions but my aunt was able to tell me the correct answer on all of them exept this one

thanx agin


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 29, 2006, 12:29:15 AM
The Bible does not specifically state where Cains wife came from. There are many different conjectures but that is exactly what they are .... conjectures.



Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: nChrist on January 29, 2006, 12:37:02 AM
as far as lilith goes thats just research ive been doing sence ive been reading wich is only like i said a couple days

the bible im reading from is - The Answer - authentic faith for an uncertain world - the holy bible - new century version

as far as wondering who cain's wife is (i hope im typing this right) genesis chapter 4 :16 "cains family"

i had a very long list of questions but my aunt was able to tell me the correct answer on all of them exept this one

thanx agin

Hello Christopher,

I already knew that you didn't learn anything about Lilith from the Holy Bible, so which book are you reading that deals with Lilith, the so-called queen of demon worshipers?

Tom


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 12:47:12 AM

this is just an example of some of the research i have found (these are not my beliefs as ive stated before


Modified to remove non-Biblical teachings.



Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 29, 2006, 12:57:33 AM
Christopher,

I modified your last post because it was against forum rules to post such non-Biblical information. Even though it claimed to be "Biblical" it isn't. Lilith is not in the Bible and if you do find a Bible with Lilith in it then it is pure garbage.

You were asked what book you got the information about Lilith in it not to post the information that you found.



Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 01:06:59 AM
i really am trying to understand here cains wife either had to be either a daughter of adam and eve or anuther creation of god correct? because at this point there is only adam eve cain and god (if im reading genesis chp 4:16 correctly abel is already dead at this point when cain and his wife get married and give birth to enoch )


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 29, 2006, 01:19:21 AM
That would be the only logical choices.


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 01:31:08 AM
so being a pastor what is your opion. wich do think it is? these are just questions out of curiosety
my-self not being a christan i have no opion wich one it would be i also have other questions if you guys dont mind giving me some feed back on them as well let me know

christopher


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 29, 2006, 01:33:41 AM
so being a pastor what is your opion. wich do think it is? these are just questions out of curiosety
my-self not being a christan i have no opion wich one it would be i also have other questions if you guys dont mind giving me some feed back on them as well let me know

christopher

It doesn't matter which is the case. If it did matter God would have insured that it was in the Bible. It is not pertinent to the information that we need to know.



Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: nChrist on January 29, 2006, 01:34:04 AM
i really am trying to understand here cains wife either had to be either a daughter of adam and eve or anuther creation of god correct? because at this point there is only adam eve cain and god (if im reading genesis chp 4:16 correctly abel is already dead at this point when cain and his wife get married and give birth to enoch )

Hello Christopher,

It didn't take us long to find out why you have "666" in your email address. By the way, we know exactly what you're trying to do because we've been here so many times before with folks heavily associated with witchcraft and the occult. So, this is an old and worn out game that has been played on nearly all Christian forums. We already know all the plays and moves, and we know how the game ends. The game ends here with NOTHING in the agenda of the poster being fulfilled, deleted posts, and the person being banned. Your game will end in the same exact manner, so you are wasting your time.

Moderator


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 01:54:38 AM
actully its not a waste of time because im getting the info im searching for pastor roger specialy not being a christian those numbers have no real meaning to me its just an e-mail adress ive been nice polite and not rude to anyone as i have no intention on being ive had plenty of christian friends in the past before i moved out to pittsburg to go to collage i even played paintball with the C.P.P.A (christian paintball players assoceation) for 2 1/2 years my aunt asked me a simple favor and i finally decied to reply to her request i didnt grow up with religon so there for i never had it or needed it my father who left when i was three was i guess athiest and my mom rejected her cathlic up bringing she stills believes in god and try's to do right by him i guess she just dosent agree with them then when i was 15 i left on my own and bounced around till i was 18

well chances are your not going to read this but i thought id share this with you inhopes of changing your opinion on me with out even talking to me
so that i could keep asking questions
o-well i guess i'll see what happens


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: nChrist on January 29, 2006, 02:00:19 AM
actully its not a waste of time because im getting the info im searching for pastor roger specialy not being a christian those numbers have no real meaning to me its just an e-mail adress ive been nice polite and not rude to anyone as i have no intention on being ive had plenty of christian friends in the past before i moved out to pittsburg to go to collage i even played paintball with the C.P.P.A (christian paintball players assoceation) for 2 1/2 years my aunt asked me a simple favor and i finally decied to reply to her request i didnt grow up with religon so there for i never had it or needed it my father who left when i was three was i guess athiest and my mom rejected her cathlic up bringing she stills believes in god and try's to do right by him i guess she just dosent agree with them then when i was 15 i left on my own and bounced around till i was 18

well chances are your not going to read this but i thought id share this with you inhopes of changing your opinion on me with out even talking to me
so that i could keep asking questions
o-well i guess i'll see what happens

If the numbers "666" have no significance for you, why did you choose them to be part of your email address?

Moderator


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on January 29, 2006, 02:13:58 AM
dont know seemed like a good idea 2 years ago never cared enough to change it i figured for the sake of every one on this forum id hit the do not show e-mail adress button so this wouldnt happen
i even went as far as to apoligize in advance twice even
the only thing i can do is apoligize agin
not sure what else to say really

christopher


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: nChrist on January 29, 2006, 07:46:17 AM
GOOD NEWS!

1:  Romans 3:10 NASB  as it is written, "THERE IS NONE RIGHTEOUS, NOT EVEN ONE; THERE IS NONE WHO UNDERSTANDS, THERE IS NONE WHO SEEKS FOR GOD; ALL HAVE TURNED ASIDE, TOGETHER THEY HAVE BECOME USELESS; THERE IS NONE WHO DOES GOOD, THERE IS NOT EVEN ONE."

2:  Romans 3:23  NASB  for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God,

3:  Romans 5:12  NASB  Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--

4:  Rom 6:23  NASB  For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

5:  Romans 1:18  NASB  For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men who suppress the truth in unrighteousness,

6:  Romans 3:20  NASB  because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin.

7:  Romans 3:27  NASB  Where then is boasting? It is excluded. By what kind of law? Of works? No, but by a law of faith.

8:  Romans 5:8-9  NASB  But God demonstrates His own love toward us, in that while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us. Much more then, having now been justified by His blood, we shall be saved from the wrath of God through Him.

9:  Romans 2:4  NASB  Or do you think lightly of the riches of His kindness and tolerance and patience, not knowing that the kindness of God leads you to repentance?

10:  Romans 3:22  NASB  even the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those who believe; for there is no distinction;

11:  Romans 3:28  NASB  For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law.

12:  Romans 10:9  NASB  that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;

13:  Romans 4:21  NASB  and being fully assured that what God had promised, He was able also to perform.

14:  Romans 4:24 NASB  but for our sake also, to whom it will be credited, as those who believe in Him who raised Jesus our Lord from the dead,

15:  Romans 5:1  NASB  Therefore, having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ,

16:  Romans 10:10  NASB  for with the heart a person believes, resulting in righteousness, and with the mouth he confesses, resulting in salvation.

17:  Romans 10:13  NASB  for "WHOEVER WILL CALL ON THE NAME OF THE LORD WILL BE SAVED."

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Willowbirch on February 04, 2006, 08:03:30 PM
ok i thank you for your reply

so then who was cain's wife
enoch's had to have had a mother?

this sems to be a "touchy" subject for some so agin i am sorry if i offend anyone
Adam and Eve had "sons and daughters". There was no law (for the Hebrews, at least) against marrying your brother or sister until the Israelites left Egypt on their way to Canaan. Abraham was married to his half-sister (Genesis 21:12), and while I get the impression from the same chapter that this type of marriage wasn't "the norm", it certainly happened. Does that help answer your question?  :)


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: ChristopherHavoc on February 05, 2006, 09:28:30 PM
alright i think i get it know cains wife was his sisster wich was ok back then (not really the point not trying to offend anyone by that) and they just never say they have more kids (adam and eve that is) its very confusing for a first time reader i was under the impression that there was only three people there at that point but asuming your right that actully clears up a lot of things for me i have some more questions but i got to get homework done i got collage mid terms tommorow

as always thanks to every one that replies

christopher


Title: Re: question about genesis
Post by: Willowbirch on February 06, 2006, 12:56:04 PM
alright i think i get it know cains wife was his sisster wich was ok back then (not really the point not trying to offend anyone by that) and they just never say they have more kids (adam and eve that is) its very confusing for a first time reader i was under the impression that there was only three people there at that point but asuming your right that actully clears up a lot of things for me i have some more questions but i got to get homework done i got collage mid terms tommorow

as always thanks to every one that replies

christopher
Yes, it can be confusing, and not just for the first time reader. It helps to read through the first five chapters, and then look back to see how they're divvied up. For instance, the second chapter of Genesis has a lot more detail about the creation of mankind and the animals and plant growth than the "creation list" in chapter one.