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Title: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 19, 2006, 03:47:55 PM
Almost everybody has heard of the recent lawsuit by the ACLU against the NSA in regards to the monitoring of phone calls. I am putting this article here instead of under Politics as it seems this area gets a bit wider interest. This article just shows all the more the ACLU/CAIR connection that I have been saying is going on. It shows that the Muslims are here in the U.S. and that they are attempting to use our own laws against us in order to take over our government. It is just as the Islamic cleric said, that they are going to use any means they can to overcome the U.S. and turn it into an Islamic state.

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By Debbie Schlussel
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 19, 2006

You've heard a lot about the ACLU lawsuit since its filing yesterday.

But you haven't heard much about its less famous plaintiffs, plaintiffs with whom I'm all too familiar and about whom I've written a great deal. The details on these individuals makes the National Security Agency's monitoring of phone calls not just warranted, but a necessity.

I'm referring to ACLU lawyers Noel Saleh, Mohammed Abdrabboh, and Nabih Ayad, the ACLU Plaintiffs named in the yesterday's Complaint, attorney William Swor, a member National Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, and Nazih Hassan -- all named in the lawsuit. They are exactly the kind of people whom the federal government should be watching, but probably isn't. One of these men admitted to funding Hezbollah, one was accused of tampering with a witness, and a third signed a document contradicting statements he made in the lawsuit. Not to mention, one of these men engaged in exactly the same "spying" (on me) that he now opposes when done by the NSA.

Their clients are no different from that of convicted Attorney Lynn Stewart's (convicted of helping the Blind cleric spread terrorist messages in Egypt). Yet, instead of monitoring them, the federal government's representatives in Detroit -- including U.S. Attorney Stephen Murphy III, FBI Special Agent in Charge Daniel Roberts, and Immigration and Customs Enforcement Special Agent in Charge Brian Moskowitz -- have been courting them, their clients, and friends in a series of exclusive meetings.

Take Noel Saleh. The thrice-disciplined attorney (who was suspended from the practice of law) openly stated at a townhall meeting with federal officials that he has financially contributed to Hezbollah. He heads an Arab welfare agency that gets millions in our tax dollars, yet was raided by the FBI for engaging in Medicaid fraud. The organization also spent thousands in our tax dollars on "job training" (commercial driving lessons and attempts at HazMat hauling certificates) for two men indicted as members of the Detroit al-Qaeda terror cell. He has represented a number of Islamic terrorists, including Ibrahim Parlak and "former" PFLP terrorist Imad Hamad.

Then, there is Mohammed Abdrabboh, a Palestinian attorney and ACLU of Michigan Board Member.

Not only does he represent a number of accused terrorists, he lied in signed documents about it. In the ACLU lawsuit, Abdrabboh's ACLU claims:

    86. As part of his criminal defense practice, Mr. Abdrabboh has represented and continues to represent people the government has suspected of allegedly having some link to terrorism or terrorist organizations.

But in a grievance Abdrabboh filed against me to the Michigan Attorney Grievance Commission (designed to deny my right to free speech and get me to change this column about him), a year ago, Abdrabboh wrote (and signed his name to) the following:

    Without hesitation, I affirmatively state that I have never represented anyone accused of terrorism or money laundering. I can also affirmatively state that I have never represented or consulted with anyone accused/suspected/indicted of money laundering, let alone money laundering to finance Al-Qaeda. . . . Debbie Schlussel will not be able to provide the ADB [Attorney Discipline Board] with a single court appearance, document or public record that would indicate that I have ever represented a suspected terrorist or money launderer.

Hmmm...I think a grievance against Abdrabboh for lying either in Court or to the Grievance Commission is appropriate.

In fact, Mohammed Abdrabboh represented Gamil Manea Ahmed Al-Najar, arrested in December 2002 in raids by then U.S. Customs (now Immigration and Customs Enforcement--ICE) for operating a money-laundering business, Najjar Money Transfer, through Dix Dollar Mart--one of six businesses believed to have transmitted as much as $50 million per year to Yemen, in violation of the Patriot Act and other reporting requirements. Customs Agents told me they believed the money was going to finance terrorist activities, likely al-Qaeda. Abdrabboh is listed as Al-Najar's attorney on the federal court docket.

So we know only one thing for sure about Mohammed Abdrabboh: He is a liar.

What we also know is that many of his clients are involved with terrorist and other nefarious activities. He appeared at the arraignment for two Palestinian and Lebanese clients accused (and later convicted) of chopping a Jordanian Palestinian to death. All three were under investigation by the FBI for mortgage and real estate fraud and were suspected of sending the proceeds "back home" to the Mid-East for assorted nefarious activities.

Abdrabboh is heavily involved with the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee, which openly praises Hezbollah -- the terrorist group that murdered over 300 U.S. Marines and civilians in Lebanon. In the West Bank, Abdrabboh made a career of legitimizing Palestinian terrorists in his work for Al-Haq, the Palestinian version of the ACLU (only worse, if that's possible). In work for the United Nations, he co-authored a report on the "Syrian Golan." (The Golan is in Israel.) Clearly, this man has a political agenda, not friendly to the United States or our key Mideast ally.

Spying? Taping phone calls? Abdrabboh doesn't have a problem with that either, when he's the one doing it. On September 7, 2004, the same day he filed his phony grievance against me, Abdrabboh had one of his friends, a man identifying himself as "Casey Khalil" call me and try to entrap me in a taped phone call. But it didn't work. The man, whose number came up as "Khalil Companies" on my caller ID, claimed he was a client of Abdrabboh for his mortgage company's problems with the State of Michigan and wanted information on him.

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Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 19, 2006, 03:48:51 PM
Page Two

The ACLU lawsuit claims:

    88. The Program has inhibited communications between Mr. Abdrabboh and his family and friends because he is less candid about his political views and avoids saying things that are critical of the U.S. government over the telephone or through email.

Puh-leeze. Abdrabboh is a vocal member of the Michigan Civil Rights Commission, appointed by Michigan's left-wing Democrat governor, Jennifer Granholm. There was a meeting of his commission since the NSA program was disclosed in The New York Times, and he is as vocal as ever. All of these attorneys had a press conference in Detroit, yesterday, upon the filing of the suit. Contrary to being silenced, they couldn't seem to shut up.

Next, there's Abdrabboh's law partner, Nabih Ayad. Both Abdrabboh and Ayad go on annual trips to the Middle East with Hamad. The trips involve meetings with Lebanese and Syrian officials tied to Hezbollah, and their travel-mates include officials of a Detroit charity that openly donated millions to Hamas and privately raised money for Iraqi insurgents at a Los Angeles area fundraiser. Federal officials suspect that money laundering--and who knows what else--may be going on during these trips.

Ayad represented Omar Abdel-Fatah Al-Shishani, stopped at Detroit Metro Airport with millions in phony bank checks used to fund al-Qaeda operations. Shishani -- a friend of John Kerry's -- didn't get much for his money, though. I had dinner with Abu Shishani in fall 2003, prior to his sentencing. It was a secret meeting with law enforcement members, and he did not know my real identity. Shishani told me that Mr. Ayad ripped him off of $25,000, did not help him, and he had to hire a new attorney. Based on that, it's hard to see how NSA spying would affect his "representation" of his client.

Then, there are his 130 clients paid off an INS inspector and committed visa fraud. Ayad got these clients from his buddy, former "terrorist" Hamad. Paying off INS inspectors, visa fraud--these are things we SHOULD be spying on.

William Swor, another Plaintiff in the suit, represented an accused member of the Detroit terror cell. During the trial, the judge reportedly lashed at him for trying to tamper with and intimidate the government's Arabic translator in the case. He sat on the Board of Saleh's Arab welfare agency, and reportedly threatened to take work away from the translator, who also did work for the agency. Like Saleh, Swor was also disciplined by the Michigan Attorney Discipline Board, for snorting up his clients' money. (He had a cocaine problem.)

Finally, there is Nazih Hassan, a member of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, Michigan Chapter. Of all the Plaintiffs detailed within the case, he is the most worthy of government monitoring. He is not an attorney, but is admittedly a friend of deportee Rabih Haddad -- founder of Global Relief Foundation (GRF).

President Bush designated GRF as a Specially Designated Global Terrorist Entity and shut it down, because it was laundering money back and forth to al-Qaeda and had strong ties to its Hamburg cell. Haddad was caught lying to the government about his income for the purpose of getting subsidized housing, carried a briefcase full of bricks of cash (which he showed federal agents), and lied on an application to buy a rifle less than six months after moving to the U.S. His charity, GRF, sent out letters in the name of Osama Bin Laden's spiritual leader, Abdel Azzam, and attempted to raise funds for a "Pakistani Taliban" and jihad.

Hassan was president of Rabih Haddad's mosque and helped him. The federal government should be investigating his mosque. They should be investigating Hassan. If our government is not investigating the mosque, friends, and helpers of a man raising money for worldwide jihad and laundering money for al-Qaeda, then whom are they investigating?

Hassan also admits being friendly with individuals connected to IANA (Islamic Assembly of North America), a charity raided for financing Saddam Hussein (while pretending the money was going to fund needy Iraqis who needed food). IANA, which was raided by the FBI, operated websites before 9/11 that featured fatwas urging the use of planes directed at buildings as a way to murder Americans. The chief IANA operator, Mohammed Al-Ahmari, escaped to the Mideast when the Detroit FBI tipped IANA off that it was investigating the group. Sami Omar Al-Hussayen, a Saudi national who was indicted but unfortunately acquitted, designed and operated the websites.

Again, Mr. Hassan's own admission of being close to IANA operatives makes it quite clear that he certainly should be monitored by the government.

Some of the Plaintiffs and attorneys in the ACLU's lawsuit against the NSA are the same as in a 2003 lawsuit the ACLU filed against Section 215 of the Patriot Act. That lawsuit languishes before another Detroit Federal Judge, without ever being decided.



Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 19, 2006, 03:58:51 PM
Brothers and Sisters the U.S. is at war! It is real! It is not an assumed political game invented by one side or the other of our political parties. It is no way a party agenda.

IT IS PAST TIME FOR TRUE AMERICANS TO WAKE UP TO THIS REALITY AND STEP FORWARD, TAKING ACTION AGAINST THIS EVIL THAT HAS INVADED US!

I am not talking about violence, or breaking the law in any way shape or form. Use our laws that already exist. Support our government that is trying to fight this.



Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: airIam2worship on January 19, 2006, 04:27:22 PM
Brothers and Sisters the U.S. is at war! It is real! It is not an assumed political game invented by one side or the other of our political parties. It is no way a party agenda.

IT IS PAST TIME FOR TRUE AMERICANS TO WAKE UP TO THIS REALITY AND STEP FORWARD, TAKING ACTION AGAINST THIS EVIL THAT HAS INVADED US!

I am not talking about violence, or breaking the law in any way shape or form. Use our laws that already exist. Support our government that is trying to fight this.


Brother besides writting letters, signing petitions, voting, and of course prayer. Is there something else we can do?


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 19, 2006, 04:35:28 PM
Make sure this word gets out to other people. So many are blind and the media is not reporting this information so many good Americans do not know about it. Many probably won't believe you and would rather curl up in their false sense of a security little cocoon but at least it is an attempt.

I have posted it on four different forums so far.



Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Shammu on January 19, 2006, 06:18:38 PM
Something I post on other forums. It's been a while, since I've posted it here.

“I am for socialism, disarmament, and ultimately, for abolishing the state itself as an instrument for violence and compulsion.  I seek the social ownership of property, the abolition of the propertied class and sole control of those who produce wealth. Communism is the goal.” - Roger Baldwin ACLU Founder

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism, but under the name of liberalism they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program until one day America will be a socialist nation without ever knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas ACLU Founder


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: airIam2worship on January 20, 2006, 07:50:29 AM
Make sure this word gets out to other people. So many are blind and the media is not reporting this information so many good Americans do not know about it. Many probably won't believe you and would rather curl up in their false sense of a security little cocoon but at least it is an attempt.

I have posted it on four different forums so far.


Brother I just went and signed up to become a community leader to return America to it's grassroots. it's as Center for Reclaiming America, I'm sure most of you already know about Center for Reclaiming America, but I signed up to help fight Abortion, Gay marriagaes, Pornograpy, ACLU, and 10 Commandment issues. . I will be sending out emails to friends and family.. I knoe every little bit I can do will help.


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 20, 2006, 08:27:03 AM
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I knoe every little bit I can do will help.

Amen that is a fact.



Title: I a bit confused by the post
Post by: Marv on January 23, 2006, 11:50:50 AM
At the end, Pastor Rogers encourages everyone to support the administration but that they should obey the laws.

That is the very basis of the lawsuit, whether people are obeying the laws.

If they are, the court should find that they are and dismiss the suit.

If they are not, the court should find that and have the people obey the laws.

The lawsuit is not capable of doing anthing more than Pastor Rogers urges people to do-obey the laws.

So I'm wondering what is different between supporting the government and obeying the laws, because it would seem consistent to me for everyone to obey the laws.

I don't know if the administration has or has not been obeying the laws in this area, but there does seem to be a reasonable amount of doubt.

Marv


Title: Re: I a bit confused by the post
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 23, 2006, 12:02:33 PM
At the end, Pastor Rogers encourages everyone to support the administration but that they should obey the laws.

That is the very basis of the lawsuit, whether people are obeying the laws.

If they are, the court should find that they are and dismiss the suit.

If they are not, the court should find that and have the people obey the laws.

The lawsuit is not capable of doing anthing more than Pastor Rogers urges people to do-obey the laws.

So I'm wondering what is different between supporting the government and obeying the laws, because it would seem consistent to me for everyone to obey the laws.

I don't know if the administration has or has not been obeying the laws in this area, but there does seem to be a reasonable amount of doubt.

Marv

The lawsuit is about allowing terrorists to have the same rights as law abiding citizens. It is to protect the rights of those that would kill the rest of us. We see this in a lot of our courts today. Protect the rights of criminals yet ignore the safety and rights of the victims. The ACLU is one of the greatest offenders of this sort of action. The ACLU has brought many such lawsuits into place where they defend the rights of the criminal but attempt to destroy the rights of the law abiding citizens to have the protection that we should have.



Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Marv on January 23, 2006, 05:42:10 PM
Well if only certain people have it, how is it a right?  I thought a right was something everyone had unless they have had it removed by a court.  Such as a convicted felon not having a right to own a firearm.

If some investigator gets to decide who does and who doesn't have a right, then noone would actually have any rights.  You would only have those rights granted you.  That would be pretty close to the British system where the crown granted the people rights and if those rights weren't granted they don't have them.  Under our system any right not specifically given the government is supposed to be retained by the people.

Do you think government should be allowed to anything they want to?

I think the laws recognize there is extenuating circumstances.  For instance someone suspected of terrorism, the government could start the wiretaps and apply for the search warrant after the taps have been applied.  And there is the special court and special search warrants.  Most search warrants have to be served but those related to terrorism don't. 

I think part of the question would be should you be a terrorist or treated like a terrorist just because someone suspected has your phone number, or email, or you happen to travel at a certain time.  Did you know there are over a million people who have official files on them now when their only tie to terrorism is that they traveled to Las Vegas during a time of heightened concern.  Nothing else, just flew there and stayed in a motel.  Now it is government record of the flight, where the person stayed and so so.  A record that is even shared with private companies under certain circumstances.  Seems strange that those people had no right to have search warrants issued just because they traveled during certain days. 

Let's say one of the moderators here gets involved in something, should the government be free to dig through all th records of everyone that has ever come to this site?

Marv


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 23, 2006, 06:46:07 PM
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Did you know there are over a million people who have official files on them now when their only tie to terrorism is that they traveled to Las Vegas during a time of heightened concern.  Nothing else, just flew there and stayed in a motel.  Now it is government record of the flight, where the person stayed and so so.  A record that is even shared with private companies under certain circumstances.

This is something that I haven't heard about yet unless you are talking about the situation where certain people attended a Muslim conference where it was known to have terrorist and their supporters attending it. If this is the situation you are talking about then not everyone flying to that area was checked, just those going to that convention. Nor was it a thorough check on everyone.

The thing that most people here seem to forget is that there is a law that permits the President to do such things as this on a temporary basis. It is not against the law and this law was passed by the Democrats prior to Pres. Bush being in office. We are at war right now. This is something else that people seem to forget. People want to be kept safe and require the government to do so. If another 9-11 were to happen then people would be wanting the Presidents head on a platter for it. Yet people don't want the government to do their job in keeping them safe either.

Where would you have them draw the line? Should we do as the ACLU wants and allow all known terrorists and those that support them to have the same freedoms as law abiding citizens? Should we give POW's access to our public court system or should we do all we can to protect the law abiding citizens, the victims, of this terrorists?

Perhaps we should do as another President did, sit on our laurels and let the terrorists get away with what they want so we can have a repeat of the 1993 WTC bombing, the USS Cole incident or any of the others that were allowed to happen without reprisal.

I enjoy my freedom and my privacy as much as anyone else does but I am willing to relinquish some of that if it means that my family will be safe from these terrorists. If they want to investigate me, let them, I have nothing to hide.



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The warrantless eavesdropping program was authorized by the president, senior government lawyers at the White House, the Justice Department and three top lawyers at the NSA picked by Hayden.

"That authorization was based on an intelligence community assessment of a serious and continuing threat to the homeland," said Hayden. "The lawfulness of the actual authorization was reviewed by lawyers at the Department of Justice and the White House, and was approved by the attorney general."




Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Shammu on January 23, 2006, 08:11:15 PM
Brother I just went and signed up to become a community leader to return America to it's grassroots. it's as Center for Reclaiming America, I'm sure most of you already know about Center for Reclaiming America, but I signed up to help fight Abortion, Gay marriagaes, Pornograpy, ACLU, and 10 Commandment issues. . I will be sending out emails to friends and family.. I knoe every little bit I can do will help.
I am a member of the grassroot organization, I joined 2-3 years ago. :D


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 23, 2006, 09:47:47 PM
Democrats and some Republicans that were against the NSA wire-tapping ordered by the President, while not willing to concede the leaglity of the NSA wire-tapping, is now back-tracking on their position. With the advent of the new Osama taped threat, no one wants to be seen as the party that allowed another terrorist strike in the U.S. Those originally against this action now want to pass a law removing any doubt of the wire-tapping of the NSA as being completely legal.

Another ACLU dissappointment?



Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Shammu on January 23, 2006, 11:08:58 PM

Another ACLU dissappointment?


;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: airIam2worship on January 24, 2006, 08:53:28 AM
The ACLU needs to keep it's nose out of Federal and Federal Defense business, someone has to stop them they think they are above everything. They don't know when enough is enough. They are overstepping their boundaries and they should be disbanded, tried, penalized.
Sometimes it makes me wonder exactly how many anti-Americans and how many anti-Christians are actually prominent leaders of our Democracy, and leaders of the ACLU.


Title: Re: Who's Really Behind the ACLU Lawsuit?
Post by: Soldier4Christ on January 24, 2006, 09:15:15 AM
The ACLU needs to keep it's nose out of Federal and Federal Defense business, someone has to stop them they think they are above everything. They don't know when enough is enough. They are overstepping their boundaries and they should be disbanded, tried, penalized.
Sometimes it makes me wonder exactly how many anti-Americans and how many anti-Christians are actually prominent leaders of our Democracy, and leaders of the ACLU.


Actually some very good points, Sister. Our government already has the appropriate checks and balances set into it by our founding fathers. We do not need a non-government entity being a watchdog over our government, especially one that is filled with terrorists and supporters of terrorists.

The other point is how many of them have infiltrated into our government positions. I am not sure of their affiliation with the ACLU but I do know for a fact that just two years ago there were 57 democrats in the house that were active members of the DSA, Democratic Socialists of America. That does not include the unknown number that may be in our Senate.

The DSA is an organization that has been attempting to instill socialism into our government one law at a time. How many CAIR members/supporters are there in our government also?