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Title: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: livingbyfaith on January 12, 2006, 02:14:39 AM
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD

           What is the WORD of God? This we must establish and show how it all relates to Jesus. Psalms 119:105 “your WORD is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my feet.” With darkness all around (the depraved state of the world and sin is abounding), we would always be going around in circles, never knowing where we are or where we are going. John 8:12: tells what Jesus proclaims about himself: “I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall NOT walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”

           The Bible does not just have the words of God in it. It is the Word of God; from the Old Testament to the new and including the Proverbs and Psalms. Every book is about Jesus. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD. In John 8:56-58 Jesus told the Jews that “their father Abraham rejoiced to see his day: and he saw it and was glad.” They questioned that statement but Jesus declared: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM.

           The Jews didn’t like that answer. They knew he was there to upset their own kingdom and didn’t want to lose their authority so they picked up stones to throw at him to kill him. It wasn’t Jesus’ time to die so he passed right through them and they didn’t even see him.

           The people knew the Torah and of the answer God gave Moses when he was told he was to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. Moses said that when he told them the God of their fathers sent him to them, they would ask what His name is. “What shall I say?” People would want to know.

           Verse 14 “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said , You shall say unto the children of Israel, ‘I AM’ has sent me unto you.” Jesus is the same “I AM”. Jesus is the WORD of God. John 1:14 “And the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us.” And John 10:30 “I and the Father are one”. The name God in Genesis 1 is Elohim which is plural---the Supreme God---highest in rank, power and authority. No one is greater than our creator God.

           Until Jesus was born, the Father, the WORD and the spirit of God (the Holy Ghost) were all spirit. Jesus became the WORD. Philippians 2:6 “Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God.” Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” I John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.”


      Each had a special job to do. God the Father made all the plans and brought them to pass. He spoke them into being, Jesus being the Word without a body as yet. But John 1:3 says: “All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” I Colossians 1:17 “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Genesis 1:2b “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the earth.” Before God spoke, His Spirit moved, ready to give everything life.

           Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. Luke 2:29 & 30 “Lord now let your servant depart in peace, according to your WORD, for my eyes have seen your salvation. This is Simeon’s prophecy to Mary: “Behold this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel: and for a sign which will be spoken against.”

           In John 17:1-26, just before he died, Jesus made a prayer to God in behalf of his apostles who carried the WORD to the world to be continued on down through the ages even to us and the future generations. (verse 3 and this is life eternal that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Verses 4 & 5 “I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work you have given me to do. And now, O, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”

           He asked God to not take the apostles out of the world but to keep them from the evil in it. When we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, he asks God for the same protection for us. Not always physical protection but to keep our hearts and spirits from evil.

           Revelation 1:11 “I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” Revelation 1:17 “Fear not, I am the first and the last: I am he that lives, and was dead: and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen; and have the keys of hell and death.” Jesus always was and has power over death. Revelation 19:13 “And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called “the WORD of GOD.”

            There is so much to say about “The WORD of God”. This is enough to digest right now. If the Holy Spirit so leads me, I may write more. In the meantime, get a good concordance and look up all the scriptures pertaining to the WORD of GOD. You will be surprise what all you learn. God bless you as you think about all of this.





Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: nChrist on January 24, 2006, 10:48:34 PM
AMEN SISTER JOAN!

This was beautiful and a blessing. I give thanks that THE WORD was made manifest in the flesh and dwelt among us, full of GRACE AND TRUTH.

Thanks be unto GOD for HIS unspeakable GIFT!, JESUS CHRIST, our Lord and Saviour forever!

Sister, thank for sharing with us.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Matthew 11:25 NASB  At that time Jesus said, "I praise You, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, that You have hidden these things from the wise and intelligent and have revealed them to infants.


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: bluelake on February 03, 2006, 09:42:55 PM
JESUS IS THE WORD OF GOD

           What is the WORD of God? This we must establish and show how it all relates to Jesus. Psalms 119:105 “your WORD is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my feet.” With darkness all around (the depraved state of the world and sin is abounding), we would always be going around in circles, never knowing where we are or where we are going. John 8:12: tells what Jesus proclaims about himself: “I am the light of the world: he that follows me shall NOT walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.”

           The Bible does not just have the words of God in it. It is the Word of God; from the Old Testament to the new and including the Proverbs and Psalms. Every book is about Jesus. John 1:1 “In the beginning was the WORD, and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD. In John 8:56-58 Jesus told the Jews that “their father Abraham rejoiced to see his day: and he saw it and was glad.” They questioned that statement but Jesus declared: “Verily, verily, I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM.

           The Jews didn’t like that answer. They knew he was there to upset their own kingdom and didn’t want to lose their authority so they picked up stones to throw at him to kill him. It wasn’t Jesus’ time to die so he passed right through them and they didn’t even see him.

           The people knew the Torah and of the answer God gave Moses when he was told he was to lead the Israelites out of Egypt. Moses said that when he told them the God of their fathers sent him to them, they would ask what His name is. “What shall I say?” People would want to know.

           Verse 14 “And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said , You shall say unto the children of Israel, ‘I AM’ has sent me unto you.” Jesus is the same “I AM”. Jesus is the WORD of God. John 1:14 “And the WORD was made flesh and dwelt among us.” And John 10:30 “I and the Father are one”. The name God in Genesis 1 is Elohim which is plural---the Supreme God---highest in rank, power and authority. No one is greater than our creator God.

           Until Jesus was born, the Father, the WORD and the spirit of God (the Holy Ghost) were all spirit. Jesus became the WORD. Philippians 2:6 “Who being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal to God.” Colossians 2:9 “For in him dwells all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.” I John 5:7 “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are ONE.”


      Each had a special job to do. God the Father made all the plans and brought them to pass. He spoke them into being, Jesus being the Word without a body as yet. But John 1:3 says: “All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made.” I Colossians 1:17 “And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.” Genesis 1:2b “And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the earth.” Before God spoke, His Spirit moved, ready to give everything life.

           Jesus is the Word of God made flesh. Luke 2:29 & 30 “Lord now let your servant depart in peace, according to your WORD, for my eyes have seen your salvation. This is Simeon’s prophecy to Mary: “Behold this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel: and for a sign which will be spoken against.”

           In John 17:1-26, just before he died, Jesus made a prayer to God in behalf of his apostles who carried the WORD to the world to be continued on down through the ages even to us and the future generations. (verse 3 and this is life eternal that they may know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.” Verses 4 & 5 “I have glorified you on the earth: I have finished the work you have given me to do. And now, O, Father, glorify me with your own self with the glory which I had with you before the world was.”

           He asked God to not take the apostles out of the world but to keep them from the evil in it. When we accept Jesus as our Lord and Savior, he asks God for the same protection for us. Not always physical protection but to keep our hearts and spirits from evil.

           Revelation 1:11 “I am the Alpha and Omega, the first and the last.” Revelation 1:17 “Fear not, I am the first and the last: I am he that lives, and was dead: and behold, I am alive forevermore. Amen; and have the keys of hell and death.” Jesus always was and has power over death. Revelation 19:13 “And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called “the WORD of GOD.”

            There is so much to say about “The WORD of God”. This is enough to digest right now. If the Holy Spirit so leads me, I may write more. In the meantime, get a good concordance and look up all the scriptures pertaining to the WORD of GOD. You will be surprise what all you learn. God bless you as you think about all of this.





Jn.1:1-3 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God. 2. He was in the beginning with God. 3. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made."

Col.1:15-16 "He is the image of the invivisble God , the first born over all creation. 16 For by Him all things were created that are in heaven and that are on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or principalities or powers. All things were created through Him and for Him."

I don't understand your statement, "Until Jesus was born, they were all spirit." Do you believe that Jesus existed in the beginning as it reads in Jn.1:1?  To be with someone requires two persons.

God bless you,
bluelake



Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: lightsavour on March 03, 2006, 08:52:13 PM
 Bluelake, I dont know if I fully understand your question, but I have something to state, or pose as a further question.. if others dont agree. We know from 1st John that Jesus is the flesh of the word, but do we not also learn that Jesus is in fact our Creator, and also "the Lord" which is stated many times throughout the old testament. Take for example each of the prophets... I have been reading Jeremiah recently.
Jeremiah 1:7 "But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I should send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak."

 This is the way Jeremiah has his whole book written, (which if my memory serves me correct was written by a scribe of a different name.) He tells the scribe exactly what "the Lord" said to him, and the scribe writes it as if Jeremiah is speaking to the people of what has been told to him personally, as well as what has been told to him to tell the word. To me this relates well with Jesus being "the Lord" in the Old Testament, as he was always omnipotent, and only limited his glory when he walked as a man amongst men. Thus "the Lord" who gave prophecy to Jeremiah by visions or in the spirit, is the same Lord who saved us by his own blood, and who is the succouring of all saints during the times of temptation. He is not the Holy Spirit, which is separate and the same, but he is and will be the first spiritual being that also has flesh for all eternity. He is also not God Almighty, but is still perfectly one with God Almighty.

 Of course even if we are all in agreeance that Jesus was our Creator as well as our Saviour it isn't really necessary to preach this. We can say simply "God created man in his own image" and the Holy Spirit will take care of a finite souls interpretation of it. But for deeper studies of the prophets for the purpose of understanding they're divine gift of Gods justice, seeing the Lord speaking his own future to his chosen few is really quite amazing. This was the perfect Son of God, who limited himself by coming into the scene of time and sense, but who did not leave any of his perfection behind when he came into the body of a man, because he was perfectly subjected to the will of God in his love for his own creation.
 
 The tricky part would be that he refers to God the Father as being supreme, which is right, but it confuses most in regards to deciding how much he had limited himself of his own understanding. Some might say that when he knew the will of people around him (which is shown several times in the Gospels) that he was simply perfect himself and so could tell when people were lying, but one also might say that he heard all the thoughts of men but was wholly compassionate and didn't say half the things he knew because his love was to provide a sacrifice for men, and not to tell them all theyre different evil thoughts. This makes sense to me in regards to him being able to succour us in our temptations, because he couldn't ever really be tempted, and yet he did physically feel hungry when Satan told him to make stones into bread. So Jesus was wholly perfect, and that is something we have to accept in an overview way of seeing he is our Creator and Saviour, otherwise we will get caught up in the intricacies of a mind we cannot fathom.

 So indeed, Jesus is the word!!!!!

AMEN!
lightsavour out


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: bluelake on March 04, 2006, 12:44:14 AM
Bluelake, I dont know if I fully understand your question, but I have something to state, or pose as a further question.. if others dont agree. We know from 1st John that Jesus is the flesh of the word, but do we not also learn that Jesus is in fact our Creator, and also "the Lord" which is stated many times throughout the old testament. Take for example each of the prophets... I have been reading Jeremiah recently.
Jeremiah 1:7 "But the Lord said unto me, Say not, I am a child: for thou shalt go to all that I should send thee, and whatsoever I command thee thou shalt speak."

 This is the way Jeremiah has his whole book written, (which if my memory serves me correct was written by a scribe of a different name.) He tells the scribe exactly what "the Lord" said to him, and the scribe writes it as if Jeremiah is speaking to the people of what has been told to him personally, as well as what has been told to him to tell the word. To me this relates well with Jesus being "the Lord" in the Old Testament, as he was always omnipotent, and only limited his glory when he walked as a man amongst men. Thus "the Lord" who gave prophecy to Jeremiah by visions or in the spirit, is the same Lord who saved us by his own blood, and who is the succouring of all saints during the times of temptation. He is not the Holy Spirit, which is separate and the same, but he is and will be the first spiritual being that also has flesh for all eternity. He is also not God Almighty, but is still perfectly one with God Almighty.

 Of course even if we are all in agreeance that Jesus was our Creator as well as our Saviour it isn't really necessary to preach this. We can say simply "God created man in his own image" and the Holy Spirit will take care of a finite souls interpretation of it. But for deeper studies of the prophets for the purpose of understanding they're divine gift of Gods justice, seeing the Lord speaking his own future to his chosen few is really quite amazing. This was the perfect Son of God, who limited himself by coming into the scene of time and sense, but who did not leave any of his perfection behind when he came into the body of a man, because he was perfectly subjected to the will of God in his love for his own creation.
 
 The tricky part would be that he refers to God the Father as being supreme, which is right, but it confuses most in regards to deciding how much he had limited himself of his own understanding. Some might say that when he knew the will of people around him (which is shown several times in the Gospels) that he was simply perfect himself and so could tell when people were lying, but one also might say that he heard all the thoughts of men but was wholly compassionate and didn't say half the things he knew because his love was to provide a sacrifice for men, and not to tell them all theyre different evil thoughts. This makes sense to me in regards to him being able to succour us in our temptations, because he couldn't ever really be tempted, and yet he did physically feel hungry when Satan told him to make stones into bread. So Jesus was wholly perfect, and that is something we have to accept in an overview way of seeing he is our Creator and Saviour, otherwise we will get caught up in the intricacies of a mind we cannot fathom.

 So indeed, Jesus is the word!!!!!

AMEN!
lightsavour out

What was the question?  :D
Yes, I believe Jesus is the Word and he was the Word in the beginning.

God bless you,
bluelake


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: lightsavour on March 04, 2006, 01:21:55 PM
LoL, yeah it wasnt really clear was it. Well I didnt realize that Jesus was the word/Creator from the beginning/before beginning until recently... so I was kind of stating/asking it. I guess I wanted to see if we were all in agreeance that Adam walked with the Lord Jesus, before Jesus was called Jesus, before Jesus was a man.
So you agree right?
;) ciao
lights out


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 04, 2006, 02:08:37 PM
God created the heaven and the earth.

And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters

In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

God = Jesus = Holy Spirit

1Jo 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.

Three distinct persons yet all one.



Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: colonel on March 11, 2006, 05:20:22 PM
I am new to this forum, but so far I have really enjoyed what I have read. the original posting was "Jesus is the Word"
which from the view point of monotheism, Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament incarnate, or born of flesh and dwelt among us. it is not 3 persons in one God but simply different manifestations of the Almighty God.


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: nChrist on March 11, 2006, 05:45:15 PM
I am new to this forum, but so far I have really enjoyed what I have read. the original posting was "Jesus is the Word"
which from the view point of monotheism, Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament incarnate, or born of flesh and dwelt among us. it is not 3 persons in one God but simply different manifestations of the Almighty God.

Hello Colonel,

I see this is your first post, so WELCOME!

(http://www.sirinet.net/~blkidps/welcome.gif)

The Biblical position and the position of this forum is that The HOLY TRINITY is the ONLY reality. There are numerous threads on the forum that discuss this TRUTH, mainly because many false religions and cults deny the HOLY TRINITY. We don't do that here.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 119:133 NASB  Establish my footsteps in Your word, And do not let any iniquity have dominion over me.


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: Shammu on March 12, 2006, 01:44:39 AM
I am new to this forum, but so far I have really enjoyed what I have read. the original posting was "Jesus is the Word"
which from the view point of monotheism, Jesus is the Jehovah of the Old Testament incarnate, or born of flesh and dwelt among us. it is not 3 persons in one God but simply different manifestations of the Almighty God.
Sorry Col. I have to disagree. Look to the Bible.......

Colossians 2:10 (AMP) And you are in Him, made full and having come to fullness of life [in Christ you too are filled with the Godhead--Father, Son and Holy Spirit--and reach full spiritual stature]. And He is the Head of all rule and authority [of every angelic principality and power].

All three are one, as scripture says.


Title: Re: JESUS IS THE WORD
Post by: Soldier4Christ on March 12, 2006, 06:05:51 PM
Amen Brothers, Jesus Christ is indeed Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isa 54:5  For thy Maker is thine husband; the LORD of hosts is his name; and thy Redeemer the Holy One of Israel; The God of the whole earth shall he be called.


Jud 1:25  To the only wise God our Saviour, be glory and majesty, dominion and power, both now and ever. Amen.