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God said that an abomination that causes desolation will be set up in the temple. The immediate prophesy was idols being set up in the 2nd Jewish temple in around 70AD. Does that take the form of a homosexual in the pulpit in the final days?

Oops! Here's the story:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,93903,00.html

MINNEAPOLIS  — The Episcopal Church's (search) first openly gay bishop told Fox News Wednesday that he hoped the church would be strengthened by his confirmation, not split in two.

Thank you, Katherine.

Yes!  I was just reading Jesus's in the Olivette Discourse, in Mathew 24.

Then,

II Thess. 2:1-4 "...who opposes and exalts himself against every so-called god or object of worship, so that he takes his seat in the temple of God, proclaiming himself to be God."

And maybe a little bit in Daniel 9:27...

Katherine,

Isn't the word abomination a little strong? (just kidding!)

This decision was another nail in America's coffin. It's no wonder the Muslims call us the Great Satan (they're actually worse )The sad fact is that many more Churches than the Episcopal denomination have prostituted themselves. They are just in your face with theirs.

Jeremiah talked about a nation who could no longer blush...guess what we are there.

Psalm 119

I'm wondering amid the apparent wholesale determination of the homosexual bent, if one should really be saying anything at all anymore--that is, "do not cast your pearls before swine..."

In the spirit of "God gave them up to...." there in Romans 1...

 ;D ;)

My personal belief is that we should just shut up and live it to make everyone wish they had what we do. Like you said, we are just casting our pearls before swine.

Yes, we should live as an example.

I'm still open to taking the offense though--that is, where the Spirit leads, and in love--that is, genuine love, and patience, and longsuffering...

I'm a guy, so I'm like conscious of "Take no part in the unfruitful works of darkness, but instead expose them..."  Eph. 5:11, which is an offensive admonition.

I'm not so sure women are necessarily called to that standard in perhaps the same way men may be...

Somedays I just want to clam up, though, ...

But in any case, I DO believe we SHOULD attack definitelyu at least in prayer--all the time.  I think we should be on the attack all the time in prayer.

    8)

Your so right
   I really think there are diff kinds of callings on each of us. Some are called to attack in a more physical manner, but not with violence and destruction those are the tools of the devil.  Jesus showed his temper a few times, but he never hurt anyone, he convicted them with words, and actions. We need to get angry, the word tells us not to sin in our anger, it doesn't say that we can't be anger. Do we sit back and let it go, NO but what do we do???......if your called to a big forum, preaching or teaching to the people, have your prayer warrior begin the battle now. They are called to attack thru pray (intercessors, prayer warriors) its my person belief that if your are called to preach or teach to the " abominations" in this world and there are several, you should have bathed it in prayer, and prayed it thru frist. Me I do good to pray for my home, and children most of the time. There was a day many years ago, my kids were all young and still in school, I had the whole day to myself. I could pray for hours. Nearly physcally sick over the condiitions of this fallen world. IT is only going to get worse too.....but no we should NEVER stop praying. That is our first battle field.
       It truly a shame that this gay bishop stuff was voted thru, it angers me so much that the church seems to overlook the word. But then we can't even agree on this board. I just wish more people would see things more black and white. If its in the gray stay away from it. Maybe thats to simple. Do I live in the gray sometimes.....we all do, we all have our good days and out bad days right. IF not for the Grace of God.....its just that we expect more from our Pastors, teachers, and the church as a whole Ubove reproach. But there are blatant sins out there.....the book of Timothy explains it so well.
blessings

     If I were a member of the Episcopal denomination I see this as a definite sign it was time to leave the corrupt Church.

    This Bishop can't read the whole Bible out loud to a congragation without declaring himself an abomination before the Lord. Not my idea of a good spiritual leader. Sounds like someone Satan might use but not the best for choice to lead God's flock.

   There is no way I could remain there. They have lost all morality when they must deny biblical truth and chose to accept what the Bible says is evil as good or an acceptable alternative. This Church has Laodicea written all over it and will be vomited out of the body of Christ.

    When the Church leadership loses sight of good and evil, and accepts evil and embraces it as though it were good, its time to leave that Church. Just because someone leaves a building or denomination behind doesn't effect their relationship with Jesus. Find a new body of believer's. Look what happens when men try to run Church like a business.

   The Church's credibility is gone, its moral compass is broken.
God is not happy but Satan is delighted. God may use this to rescue people from a corrupt Church, and bring them back to the truth and Himself. They chose POORLY!

                                                              Paul2

Here is an excellent article on this very topic.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=34083

Psalm 119

Don't you guys see that we need to do something?  This is intolerable (if that exists in the US).  Every Christian of every denomination should be formally making a stand against this.  Every convention needs to formally denounce the heathenism involved in this decision.  If not, we will be making the same mistake we made with abortion, prayer in schools, etc.  Let's wake up guys!

I go to a Baptist church, so of course we don't have bishops - no problem there!

But for people like us who believe in the priesthood of all believers, do you think it would be wrong to have any gay members at all?

YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

So, Mr 5020, what about someone who thinks they may have a tendency to be gay? Not necessarily a hundred per cent open gay, but someone who is attracted, sometimes, to members of the same sex? If they were not in a relationship, or were in a heterosexual relationship, could they belong to a church?

First off, I don't think I've properly welcomed you into the forum, so, welcome.  I hope you're blessed.

Now, if no one in the entire church knows of these sinful tendencies, then of course you would be welcomed into the church.  Jesus makes it clear though, that evil thought can be sin, not only actions.

Hi, does one remenber that Jesus came to His OWN denomination first? John 1:11. And check this verse in Matt. 5-6? These folk looked like the REAL thing'ees! (not openly gay)

In every appearence that todays 'c' 'clubs' talk christian stuff, they would realy look like 'in the closet gays' beside Apostate Israel. (like gold to clay?) From looking properous on the surface to being a 'openingly gay bishop' is quite a stretch, huh? But notice what the Master said in verse 15 & 16 ibide.

Remember that He sent a LAST MESSAGE to Israel of old before their door of probation was forever closed! Matt. 25:10.

Christ said: "And whosoever shall not receive you, [nor hear your words'] when ye depart out of that house or city, shake the dust off of your feet. Verily [I say unto you, it shall be MORE TOLERABLE FOR THE LAND OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH IN THE DAY OF JUDGEMENT,] than for [THAT CITY]." (or that person or persons!! :'( :'()

Day of JUDGEMENT is mentioned in 1 Peter 4:17. And these ones in this verse of Matt. are by [FAR THE WORSE] than even the openly that Christ speaks of! Compare with Luke 12:47-48 for who will burn the longest!? Both are lost in this state, yet, the GUILT requires the 'professed' Christian the greater punishment! See Obad. 16.

Now, for a question about women who ARE REAL CHRISTIAN WOMEN, compared to professed christian men who are in the 'closed' closet as they have advocated? Who do [you women] posting here think that God would use of the two? See Joel 2:27-28, 0r Luke 2:36 And be sure to read Acts 21:8-*9! :)

Perhaps we will see a wo'men come forward rather than a woman, huh? ;)

---John

It doesn't matter if it is a little bit or a whole bunch... The Lord knows either way.  And He does not approve..  (I say this only from what I have read and understand in the KJV Authorized Bible)

Nope

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Hi Hitch, John here:
Hope that you do not mind me not being in agreement with this one post
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In Matt. 10:5-6 we see Christ's command to go to the LOST SHEEP of the HOUSE (DENOMINATION) OF ISRAEL. In Matt. 23:38 CHRIST SAID THAT YOUR HOUSE (DENOMINATION) [IS LEFT UNTO YOU *DESOLATE!] This IS THE ABOMINATION THAT MADE ISRAEL DESOLATE! They had a 'seven year time period' from 27-34AD. They HAD the Master Himself there is PERSON! (the Holy Ghost was sent back to UPLIFT CHRIST + other things after His departure)

OK: DESOLATE. Israel of old was Christ's OWN! Matt. 25 compares them with Virgins, check verse 1 with the kingdom of heaven! (in Virgin Doctrines only) Yet, there was even in heaven a REBELLION! And in heaven too was a SHUT DOOR OF PROBATION!

Regardless: When Christ was PUT OUT OF HIS DENOMINATION, IT WAS DESOLATE! In Isa. 5 we see Gods Vinyard. (denomination) The whole chapter is good! But notice in verse 3 the Word of God states,  "..JUDGE, I PRAY YOU, {BETWIXT ME AND MY VINEYARD]." (verse 7 tells you who is vineyard is!

So, Israel choose Christ Virgin denomination over Christ! CHRIST WAS PUT OUT, REJECTED, AND THEIR DENOMINATION BECAME DESOLATE OF CHRIST. OK??

But, that is not ALL! Who came to the rescue? Who now became their NEW LEADER? Read Rev. 3:9 & then see if you can figure out Gen. 4:7. When Cain's rebellion became MATURE, (he to had Christ talking to him in person) then whose DESIRE took him over when the Holy Spirit left him?

---John
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Hmmmm I really cant see how anything in your post shows agreement or disagrrment with my monosylabic reply to the original. Any proximty escapes me altogether.

If you're saying there isnt much of the presence of God in the Episcopal Church ,I'd be inclined to agree but its unlikely Dan had  21st century Epicopalian ethics in mind, looking forward to the cross ,as he was.

Take care

Hitch

Funny, but he is a "divorced homosexual." he has 2 children and the episcopal denomination also frowns on such in their leaders.

I think its encouraging as the apostasy prophecied is coming true right in front of us.

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