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Title: Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Florida_Catholic on October 09, 2005, 02:22:54 PM
Do you support President Bush's nomination of Miers to the Supreme Court?  Why or why not?


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: LittlePilgrim on October 09, 2005, 10:37:41 PM
To be honest? I don't know. But I do know I'm getting tired of Bush Bashing everywhere else. If he nominated her out of fear, I can certainly understand that. Afterall, the leftist dems were threatening to fillibuster ANY nomination he made. At least they haven't done that with her. It seems to me that no matter what Bush does, he can't win. He can't please everyone. So he's got to do what HE feels is best for the country. Period.


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Jemidon2004 on October 09, 2005, 10:45:10 PM
Dunno, I don't watch T.V. much anymore and I just hear news from word of mouth. i only knew a tropical storm was hitting when I saw it coming up at the college. I love my little niche in the mountains, it enables me to focus more on God instead of the trivial things of this world. So I have no opinion on the matter.

Coram Deo,
Joshua


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: JimmySwift on October 10, 2005, 05:56:16 AM
Hi all,

Cute question FC....

It certainly remains to be seen what kind of SCJ Miers will end up being. I think she really could go either way on a lot of different issues, which will both delight and terrify a few people, especialy here at CU...

cheers,

Jimmy


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Shammu on October 10, 2005, 01:03:39 PM
I do know I'm getting tired of Bush Bashing everywhere else.
AMEN!
Seems F_C enjoys these kind of threads. :(


It seems to me that no matter what Bush does, he can't win. He can't please everyone. So he's got to do what HE feels is best for the country. Period.
Again, AMEN!
Seems like some folks can't/won't accept that. They love their Bush bashing. :(


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 10, 2005, 02:57:39 PM
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Seems like some folks can't/won't accept that. They love their Bush bashing.

Some people are not happy unless they have someone else that they can belittle.

Mat 12:33  Either make the tree good, and his fruit good; or else make the tree corrupt, and his fruit corrupt: for the tree is known by his fruit.

Luk 6:45  A good man out of the good treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is good; and an evil man out of the evil treasure of his heart bringeth forth that which is evil: for of the abundance of the heart his mouth speaketh.



 


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Florida_Catholic on October 10, 2005, 09:47:39 PM
Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.

It is clear that deep down you're not happy with his decisions and feel the need to defend him because you see it as defending yourself since you voted for him and his Republican cronies and in a way you feel partially responsible for his actions.

Certainly it is noble to feel responsible, but I think it's obvious that very few people intended for what they got when voting for Bush.  Even though you may have misjudged Bush, Gore, and Kerry, it's not your fault that the President has led this country on rampage that has damaged the environment - which our kids will have to live in, exploded the deficit - which our kids will have to pay for, made us more dependant on big oil, left at-large for over four years the country's worst enemy - a 6ft tall terrorist dragging a dialysis machine from recording studio to recording studio, led us into a senseless and failing war in a country that posed little threat to us, increased the rate of poverty every year, appointed his unqualified friends into important positions leaving us all unsafe, put a political party of criminals in charge, and stalled the decrease in abortions seen in the years before Bush.  You ought to take some time to pray about where you stand and what is most important- then decide if you should continue to support the Republican party.

My original post about the Supreme Court Nomination was intended to gain some insight into why so many conservatives are coming out against Miers.  I personally feel I don't have enough info to make an informed decision, just as was the case with Roberts.  These appointees have revealed very little about their positions on anything . . . how does anyone have such a strong opinion?  If you trust Bush's judgement you ought to support the nominee, otherwise you might not.  I noticed so many conservative leaders have come out against Miers and I really don't know why.  If you trust him on Roberts, why not on Miers?  As a separate question . . . do you believe Bush when he says that he doesn't know Mier's stance on Roe v. Wade?


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 10, 2005, 10:27:10 PM
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Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.

I think that you need to step back and take another look. As per usual you are misinterpreting things. It has nothing to do with your comments here. These comments were in regards to what LittlePilgrim experienced elsewhere.


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: cris on October 10, 2005, 11:10:49 PM
Do you support President Bush's nomination of Miers to the Supreme Court?  Why or why not?

I do, because I believe our president knows what he's doing, contrary to the opinion of others.  I'm sure he sought God long and hard over the nomination of both Roberts and Mier.  It's in God's hands.  Now, we, as good American citizens, need to pray for all of them.



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 10, 2005, 11:21:04 PM
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Now, we, as good American citizens, need to pray for all of them.

Amen to that!

It's good to see you again, Cris.



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: cris on October 10, 2005, 11:35:47 PM
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Now, we, as good American citizens, need to pray for all of them.

Amen to that!

It's good to see you again, Cris.



Thanks, PR!  I've been in and out several times but very quickly.  I do keep everyone in my prayers when I'm away, though.  :)

I see Bronze has been under the weather for quite sometime.  I hope he gets well soon.  He's been in the hospital a long time this time.  Just a wishin' and a prayin' that God would open the windows of heaven and pour out a heap of healin' on all of us here at CU!  He will, but in His own time!



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Jemidon2004 on October 10, 2005, 11:53:23 PM
like I said, and iwll say again, Bush is apparently the guy God allowed to be put in office...while we may not agree with everything that he does, we should still pray for our leaders...and that they will follow God's will. Wasting time bashing him does no one any good. If an 18 year old can grasp this concept and utilize it, why can't you older people do it?....just a thought.

Coram Deo,
Joshua


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 10, 2005, 11:55:50 PM
Amen Jemidon. The answer to that is in their heart.



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Shammu on October 11, 2005, 12:01:04 AM
like I said, and iwll say again, Bush is apparently the guy God allowed to be put in office...while we may not agree with everything that he does, we should still pray for our leaders...and that they will follow God's will. Wasting time bashing him does no one any good. If an 18 year old can grasp this concept and utilize it, why can't you older people do it?....just a thought.

Coram Deo,
Joshua
AMEN!


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Shammu on October 11, 2005, 12:20:34 AM
Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.
Well gee.... lets take a look at some of your posts.....
September 23
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It's case and point that you believe that local officials didn't declare a state of emergency and that Bush has been hesitant to blame local officials.  Once again you've fallen prey to this powerful political machine's propaganda.  Governor Blanco actually declared a state of emergency and requested troop assistance on Friday August 26th, well in advance of the hurricane - before it had even been upgraded to a Category 3.  Furthermore, on September 2nd, “Under the command of President Bush’s two senior political advisers, the White House rolled out a plan…to contain the political damage from the administration’s response to Hurricane Katrina.”  Karl Rove and President Bush systematically put into the minds of the public that the local officials were at fault - easy way to shift blame from him and take out some small time Democrats.

September 22
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OK, I'm not trying to make the case that the poll rating means that Bush is doing poorly.  I'm making the case that he's done so poorly that the poll rating is higher than it ought to be.  However, to get the facts straight, here's a list of reputable polls and where Bush's rating has fallen during his time in office.  They universally say that about 40% approve of the job he's doing

September 25
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You argued for him when the Republicans impeached him?  Now it seems like that's what you're alluding to by saying "I looked to his few good points, not the bad"  That may be true, and would be consistent with the way you're defending our current President after he's commited so many wrongs that make him such a horrible role model for our children.  However, I haven't come across many like you.

September 24
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Wow, you beat me there - no way am I going to subject myself to reading that long of an article from a source of Bush administration propaganda.  For one, you might refer to a reputable source of news; second, highlights and a link would be much more conducive to a healthy debate.  Blaming local residents is exactly the type of ridiculous political shift the blame approach that the Bush administration campaign led by Karl Rove is pushing.  Totally disgraceful.

September 24
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I can agree with you there.  There certainly is plenty of blame to go around.  I am not trying to make the case that the local officials are bunch of geniuses that did everything they should have.  However, it is clear from even the timeline you put up that the local officials met the standard mentioned earlier "asking for help; state of emergency"  And that just like in the aftermath of September 11th, the different agencies did an awful job of interacting with each other.  These problems have not been fixed, in fact they've been made worse.

October 27,
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Three of the reasons I support Kerry:

The presidency is a position that deals with very complex issues.  John Kerry has demonstrated that he has the analytical skills to deal with the details of very complicated topics and to handle the fine lines in a logical way.

The preisdent has a duty to defend the interests of everyday Americans.  John Kerry takes positions that consistently benefit everyday Americans - taxes, healthcare, labor laws etc..  These positions show greater concern for those who are poor and disadvantaged.

October 27
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When politics and religion are mixed too closely there are serious problems.  My religion comes into my decisions, including political ones.  I learn my religion in churches.  However it's my job to put two and two together through prayer and study.  When a church participates in partisan politics or a candidate tries to take advantage of a church to do so it's a serious problem.  No political party or candidate can have a monopoly on a religion's morals and ethics.

October 20
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I am one who thinks that our country's government depends on the public being honestly educated about current political events. Over the past four years the exact opposite has taken place.

Many Americans support attacking Iraq after believing a series of lies from the Bush Administration. As our source of information about terrorism, war, and foreign policy, the administration encourages a series of misconceptions that lead directly to their unfounded support.

October 17, 2004,
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Let's not follow the Bush Administration in trying to squash intelligent discourse.

The debate we're having in this forum isn't because of traitors, but because debate is what makes our democracy great.

October 13
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Bush isn't just misinformed, he's clearly lied.

The primary lie to remember is that he's misled so many Americans into believing that Iraq was linked to the September 11th Attacks!  That's totally false - the 9/11 report confirms that.  Faerenheit 9/11 is a movie that illuminates facts that are not learned from watching Fox News.  If you want balance you have to look at all the angles.
P.S. I'm still waiting for your proof, on this.

October 12,
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Many Americans support attacking Iraq after believing a series of lies from the Bush Administration. As our source of information about terrorism, war, and foreign policy, the administration encourages a series of misconceptions that lead directly to their unfounded support.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

The report at that link is an interesting study. It demonstrates some grave misconceptions held in this country.
This is just a sampling of your replies. I wasn't really looking for anything.
Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.
It has nothing to do with your comments made. I posted,  comments in regards to what LittlePilgrim replied. Thats why LittlePilgrim is quoted, not you.


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: nChrist on October 11, 2005, 12:51:43 AM
Florida_Catholic,

Most of what you say might make sense to the LLL and the ACLU, but those folks don't associate with Christians.   :D   ???   ::)   8)


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 11, 2005, 01:00:34 AM
Brother Bob,

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Quote from: Florida_Catholic on October 10, 2005, 09:47:39 PM
Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.
It has nothing to do with your comments made. I posted,  comments in regards to what LittlePilgrim replied. Thats why LittlePilgrim is quoted, not you.

do you remember the old SRA reading program? I think it is applicable here.  
 ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 11, 2005, 01:01:14 AM
Florida_Catholic,

Most of what you say might make sense to the LLL and the ACLU, but those folks don't associate with Christians.   :D   ???   ::)   8)

 ;) ;) ;D ;D



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Shammu on October 11, 2005, 01:16:02 AM
Brother Bob,

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Quote from: Florida_Catholic on October 10, 2005, 09:47:39 PM
Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.
It has nothing to do with your comments made. I posted,  comments in regards to what LittlePilgrim replied. Thats why LittlePilgrim is quoted, not you.

do you remember the old SRA reading program? I think it is applicable here.  
 ;) ;) :D :D ;D ;D


Yes, I remember the SRA reading program. :D *snicker* ;D


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: LittlePilgrim on October 11, 2005, 11:08:30 PM
The others are right, FC, but... So long as you're bringing these issues up...Ahem...

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Wow!  Can you say "Defensive"?  Take a look back at what I asked and take a step back and look at your comments.  Think about what makes you jump to Bush's defense whenever his name comes up.

Read what the others said of my comment. They explained the meaning behind it perfectly.

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It is clear that deep down you're not happy with his decisions and feel the need to defend him because you see it as defending yourself since you voted for him and his Republican cronies and in a way you feel partially responsible for his actions.

No. I don't agree with everything he's done. But I don't disagree either. I'll get into that later, but the fact is I pray for him and I support him AS OUR LEADER because he is the man God has put in power over us. THAT is why I am so 'defensive', and why I get so worked up when liberals, like you, start bashing him.

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Certainly it is noble to feel responsible, but I think it's obvious that very few people intended for what they got when voting for Bush.

That depends on who you ask. I expect a president to lead the country in a Godly manner, to abstain from immorality, and to do what he feels is best for the country. Bush is human, yes. He has made mistakes. But he has lived up to my expectations... That's more than I can say for Clinton.

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Even though you may have misjudged Bush, Gore, and Kerry,


Perhaps you've misjudged Bush. But I haven't misjudged Gore or Kerry. I am informed of their stances- or lack thereof- quite well thankyou.

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it's not your fault that the President has led this country on rampage that has damaged the environment - which our kids will have to live in, exploded the deficit - which our kids will have to pay for, made us more dependant on big oil, left at-large for over four years the country's worst enemy - a 6ft tall terrorist dragging a dialysis machine from recording studio to recording studio, led us into a senseless and failing war in a country that posed little threat to us, increased the rate of poverty every year, appointed his unqualified friends into important positions leaving us all unsafe, put a political party of criminals in charge, and stalled the decrease in abortions seen in the years before Bush.  You ought to take some time to pray about where you stand and what is most important- then decide if you should continue to support the Republican party.

This paragraph so reeks of leftist propaganda and rhetoric that I don't even know where to begin. F_C, if you must bash Bush for something, try to find somethig original? Please?

First, just what has he done to the environment? Are you going to blame him for Katrina just like the others? For global warming? BAH!

The deficit? My friend... You are sorely misinformed. I've studied a little economics. The fact of the matter is economic changes take about four years to have a noticeable effect. The deficit exploded within the first two years of G.W.'s election... And guess where the blame would lie then? *gasp* WITH CLINTON!

Dependent on foreign oil? Certainly we are. HOWEVER, you are DEAD wrong for blaming Bush. It's the extreme environmentalists (greenie-weenies as my family calls them) and the leftist dummocrats in the government which have caused this. Did you know that the US has an oil deposit beneath Collorado, Missouri (and one other state, can't remember which) that is THREE TIMES BIGGER than the biggest saudi deposit? In Alaska! We would need 2,000 acres, less than 1% of that wilderness to reduce or even eliminate our dependence on foreign oil! Yes, in the long term it would be best to develope hybrid cars or cars that run on hydrogen etc. But in the short term, we need oil, and if leftists would stop blocking, we could drill, quite safely, all we need. So don't star blaming Bush for that.

Osama Bin Laden? Hmm... I seem to recall a president Clinton who was (in essence) offered Osama's head on a silver platter at least 12 times during his administration! But he lacked the backbone to do anything about it and left this country vulnerable. Read the topic I posted about the skeletons in his closet if you don't believe me. Also, don't forget that even if we took Bin Laden out, there would be another that would just step up and take his place. That's the trouble with you Liberals. You think small. Terror is bigger than one man! Terror is a spirit, an attitude! Our job is to confront terror wherever it may be, whatever it might embody, WHOMEVER MIGHT BE USING IT FOR HIS OWN GAIN!

Saddam Hussein wasn't a threat? Wow... That's news to me. I suppose you'd better tell that to the Iranians, and to his own people... The sunnis and kurds that he slaughtered without mercy. As for failing, I don't see faliure at all. In fact, looking at history, this war in Iraq has been one of the most successful in our history. I'll punch the numbers for you if necessary. But I doubt it will be so.

Again, as far as the poverty thing goes, I'd place most of the blame elsewhere, like those people who refuse to work, who freeload off the government and the american people.

Unqualified? Sounds like you've been listening to Michael Moore a little too much. Brown, former head of FEMA was quite qualified. Why not share a little blame for the devastation of Katrina though. Let's see. How about Mayor Nagin? I seem to recall he forgot to put the NO emergency plan into action. Or how about governor Blanco? As I recall, she decided to sit back, thinking the storm would pass NO by. By the time it was obvious that would not be the case, it was too late. But then... Dummocrats seem to have a thing for procrastination. How about the locals who refused to evacuate? But then... You liberals will do anything you can to drag Bush down, won't you?

As far as the criminal thing goes, I assume you're refering to the Delay indictments? ROTFL Have you even read the indictments? First thing prosecutor Ronnie Earle tried to get Delay on was criminal conspiracy. Know what that is? That's just a term that's used whenever nothing else will stick. Delay was only mentioned ONCE in that indictment, ON THE FIRST PAGE! NEVER AGAIN WAS HE MENTIONED! Not only this, but the rest of it had nothing to do with Earle's charges! The grand jury threw the case out, just as the jury before it had. Then Earle mysteriously 'uncovers new evidence over the weekend'. LOL IS THIS CSI?! I DON'T THINK SO! Ronnie Earle goes after political opponants for the gain of his friends and himself. Doesn't matter if their democrat or republican. If they pose a threat to him, he goes after them. He does what he can to criminalize politics.

As for the stall in abortions, you've lost me there... Cite your source, give a link, and then go think for yourself. Because from what I've seen, Bush has done ALL in HIS power to slow or stop them.

I think it is YOU that needs to do the praying. I wonder how pleased God is to see you bashing someone He has put into power. Consider the words of David, "How could you touch the Lord's annointed?!"

THE ELECTIONS ARE OVER! YOU LOST! You may not like Bush or agree with him, but you need to pray for him and support him.  

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My original post about the Supreme Court Nomination was intended to gain some insight into why so many conservatives are coming out against Miers.  I personally feel I don't have enough info to make an informed decision, just as was the case with Roberts.  These appointees have revealed very little about their positions on anything . . . how does anyone have such a strong opinion?  If you trust Bush's judgement you ought to support the nominee, otherwise you might not.  I noticed so many conservative leaders have come out against Miers and I really don't know why.  If you trust him on Roberts, why not on Miers?  As a separate question . . . do you believe Bush when he says that he doesn't know Mier's stance on Roe v. Wade?

Firstly, the reason is because she does not have a political agenda, which in my mind qualifies her more for the job than most. The supreme court is supposed to be devoid of politics! But alas... Here we are... I've studied more. I'm behind Miers.

And as for the last question about Roe v. Wade, I don't think it matters. I don't think Bush would lie about that. But I personally hope she is against it, seeing as how even Roe is against it now.


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 11, 2005, 11:31:14 PM
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Did you know that the US has an oil deposit beneath Collorado, Missouri (and one other state, can't remember which) that is THREE TIMES BIGGER than the biggest saudi deposit?

There is a man made lake in Oklahoma that has a large well under it. The environmentalists won't allow it to be tapped because they fear it might damage the lake.



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: cris on October 11, 2005, 11:52:03 PM
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Did you know that the US has an oil deposit beneath Collorado, Missouri (and one other state, can't remember which) that is THREE TIMES BIGGER than the biggest saudi deposit?

There is a man made lake in Oklahoma that has a large well under it. The environmentalists won't allow it to be tapped because they fear it might damage the lake.



There's supposed to be a huge one in Utah and also one in Tennessee.  Anyway, that's what I heard awhile back.



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: LittlePilgrim on October 12, 2005, 12:01:28 AM
*grin* You see F_C? Spouting liberal talking points isn't the same as sharing the truth. :)


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 12, 2005, 12:45:19 AM
The biggest untapped U.S. oil resource is in Alaska located in Alaska's Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. This one is the one that is begger than anything Saudi Arabia has and the environmentalists won't allow this one to be tapped either for fear of endangering the caribou.

I have a simple solution. Caribou meat is healthy to eat and could feed many hungry, starving people.



 :D :D



Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Shammu on October 12, 2005, 01:35:46 AM
I have a simple solution. Caribou meat is healthy to eat and could feed many hungry, starving people.



 :D :D


Does it taste like elk? If so, yummmmmmmm! ;D


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Soldier4Christ on October 12, 2005, 09:16:23 AM
I have a simple solution. Caribou meat is healthy to eat and could feed many hungry, starving people.



 :D :D


Does it taste like elk? If so, yummmmmmmm! ;D

I don't know. Seeing it is much like elk I would imagine it does.

 ;) ;)


Title: Re:Nomination of Miers to Supreme Court
Post by: Shammu on October 15, 2005, 07:31:09 PM
I have a simple solution. Caribou meat is healthy to eat and could feed many hungry, starving people.



 :D :D


Does it taste like elk? If so, yummmmmmmm! ;D

I don't know. Seeing it is much like elk I would imagine it does.

 ;) ;)
HMMMMMMMMMMM! dinner time, caribou anyone? ;D