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I am a mild tempered person,  but it infuriates me to see the media causing disent among the Ameicans. They are so bent on destroying President Bush, they don't mind losing the war. the media does not show all the good things going on, only the things that damage our president and us.
I'd like for all of them to have to deal with the problems we have and then we could criticize them, but we wouldn't, because we know nobody on earth has all the answers. But whatever they can do to run down President Bush, they will do.
Polls are worded in such a way that if we are truthful, such as are we satisfied with the way the war is going. Of course, no one is satisified, but that is not to say that we are absolutely against it.
the only thing that keeps me going, is that soon Christians will be taken out and then let them find someone to criticize then. If we had a democratic president, they would be supporting them, with the circumstances being the exact same as they are now during the hurricane.

Welcome to the forum geneswife. I'm glad that you are a mild tempered person.  ;)

I agree with you totally. This is not a time for such political games as finger pointing. Now is the time for action. A major problem has been seen, a problem that has existed for many, many years. It is time for a solution to be made. The only way for a proper solution is for unity in working toward that solution not silly bickering and political games.

The liberal media has ‘evolved’.  During WWII the media followed in lock-step with the pro-American war effort – even to the point of printing false headlines to improve state-side AND front-line wartime moral – which greatly improved the overall war effort – which ended the war sooner.  

During Korea there were some skips in the lock-step.  

By Vietnam, the media began to “express” their reporting from more of a world-view stance rather than an American-view stance.  The young media hopefuls were then completely engulfed by the left in the form of anti-American, pro-worldview professors who programmed them as to what to report, how to report it and when to report it as it pertains to the current “world-view” in their superior opinion.  

The results are quite obvious today:  In the name of “neutrality” the “American” news media is equally sympathetic (world-view requires that) to the “insurgency” as they are to those representing the freedoms of you and me.

If I may cut the chase – the media is an unknowing pawn in Satan’s quest for world rule.  The media is a key player – maybe even THE key player – in seeing that the prophecies in Revelation are fulfilled.  The media has the power to make or break a persona with a one second worldwide newsflash.  Lucifer is aware of the implications…

Of course – all this is just my sometimes humble opinion…

JudgeNot

I must agree that the media played a very large part in the turnout of Viet Nam but I cannot say that they were the only problem. The media giving the spotlight to the anti-war crowd, boosting them up, egging them on was in fact a major factor.

And the media is giving the terrorists all the ammunition they need to discourage Americans in the war effort. The terrorists have to be taking some of the pictures of the bombings, maybe all, that are put on our televisions.
I sent Dan Rather an email telling him he might as well go report for aljazerra, as he was giving them the positive press and he was a traitor to our troops.
If we all pulled together, we could win. When our tv shows all the antiwar movements, it gives the terrorists more courage.
I agree, I think the media will play the major part in the coming of the  antichrist, and personally, even though we haven't seen him show himself yet, I think he's on this earth among us. Almost all prophecy has been fulfilled.

The liberal bias in the media is a myth used by conservatives as a part of political games.  The conservative shock jocks dominate the radio and there is an entire news network dedicated to conservative propaganda.  The mainstream networks have stories biased one way or another, but even here on average the advantage is with the conservatives.  For example, so many Americans who watched the news fell into the trap of believing that Iraq was responsible for the attacks of September 11th . . . which, in case you didn't know, is totally false.  Instead of debunking these sort of political lies, the media allowed this to go on.

Phil - I don't approve of your judging them murderers.  In war, innocent people die unintentionally.  Unless of course the killing is done by an "insurgent" who is purposely targeting the innocent.  That's murder.  Your little jab puts the London police on the same – or lower – level than the murdering terrorist who started this whole thing.  That is paramount to failing to discern the difference in good and evil - sorta like liberals who view evil as 'just another lifestyle'.

:-X  :-X  :-X  :-X
(http://www.clicksmilies.com/s0105/lachen/laughing-smiley-001.gif)
 :-X  :-X  :-X  Please show me - from any main media outlet – an actual news story that states or even implies the statement “Iraq was responsible for the attacks of September 11th” - and please give me the statement in context.  

Between you and me, FC – I think You've had over exposure to Michael Moore.  Careful there, partner - that's just like over exposure to saltwater - eventually your skin gets so slimy it slides right off your body...  

EEEwwwwweee!  Now THERE'S a mental picture... ;D (I just thought a 'gentle' warning of the hazards of "left-thought" was in order.)  :D  :D  :D

God bless all,
JN

Hello GenesWife,

First, please let me welcome you to Christians Unite. I sincerely hope that you enjoy it here. I'm looking forward to reading your posts and having fellowship with you.


Second, I enjoy and agree with your posts. I do believe that we are either seeing a preview of the end of this age or it is unfolding before our eyes right now. I really don't know obviously, but I do know that I'm happy my entire family and I belong to JESUS. I would be very happy if JESUS came for us tonight.

By the way, I'm a proud Navy dad. My son did a tour in the Gulf, and he believed firmly that he was preserving safety and freedom for innocents at home. Further, the liberation of the Iraqi people made him very happy. I thank our men and women serving in the Armed Services from the bottom of my heart, and I pray for them every day.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Timothy 4:4-6 NASB  For everything created by God is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with gratitude; for it is sanctified by means of the word of God and prayer. In pointing out these things to the brethren, you will be a good servant of Christ Jesus, constantly nourished on the words of the faith and of the sound doctrine which you have been following.

Florida



The liberal media is far from being a myth. That would be like saying no media sources had any political agendas which you yourself admitted to be a fact when you said the radio waves were dominated by conservatives.

If I remember right it was the liberal media that started the rumor about 9/11 being connected to Iraq then later using it against the conservatives.

It is the liberal media that has caused a lot of discension against the Military just as they did during Viet Nam.

Phil,

The death of that Brazilian was indeed unfortunate but your prejudice against law enforcement is clouding your vision here. It was an unfortunate and very sad incident and nothing more.

http://www.pipa.org/OnlineReports/Iraq/Media_10_02_03_Report.pdf

At the above link you can find the study that talks about the misconceptions I was referring to.  The media's responsibility is to inform the public . . . essential to a functioning democracy.  If you're not well informed, how can you possibly make a sound decision when you vote?  But, again I don't think the mainstream media does it intentionally . . . that's why it's a bias and not outright propaganda like you'll find from FNC and Rush Limbaugh and the like, the media allows people to believe these false facts thinking that a story debunking this would be "unpatriotic".  Allowing the conservative agenda to make war to be propagated among those who would otherwise be against the war.

My question was:
 
You answered by posting long PDF file with a list of alleged poll questions/answers.  My request was plain: "and please give me the statement in context".  That is something you are obviously unable to do.

Typical liberal.  You can’t answer a direct and simple request with direct results.  My suggestion is that you historically, mentally, factually and prayerfully prepare yourself before you make such a claim as the media said "Iraq was responsible for the attacks of September 11th . . ."

Bye-bye!  I won’t waste my time sparring.  Say hi to Michael.

PS - you asked: You tell us.  You're the expert there.

I used to believe everything I heard on the news. It didn't use to be so slanted as it is now. Its just that since Viet Nam that is has gotten so bad.
We are so spoiled. We take everything for granted. I used to, until 9-11. I was unaware of the the hate the Islamists had for us and fail to see why they should come over and attack us.
If anyone goes to www.persecution.com, you will see that many more governments are persecuting other religions, such as China, who requires churches to register with the goverment, and then arrest the pastors.
I usually watch NBC, but am thinking of switching. We only have antenna tv. We live in a remote area, but can get around 10 stations with antenna boosters. that keeps Gene's hands busy switching between them. ;D So we get only the major stations, not any of the news stations. I started noticing Katie Couric change her method of "interviewing". She will make a statement and then say, "right?" to whomever she is talking to, instead of letting them talk. And the way they phrase everything is in a way that it will reflect negatively on our president. ::)
I never thought that we should invade Iraq, but am sticking with them thru thick and thin. I have sent several packages to people I don't know. And if they had WMD, they had lots of time to hide them. Gene, who is a minister, read something in the Bible that made him believe that they are buried in the desert. I dont remember where it was, but Iraqi weapons were found in Syria, and the goverment told them to get them out. They were aiming to use them on Jordan.
It was on the last page of the local newspaper a yr or so ago.
But we are ready to join Jesus. All of our grandchildren have been saved and baptised, except the ones who are not old enough yet. And we praise Him every day.
Freedom is not free and those who think we should analyze our enemy and figure out what we've done wrong will realize that one day. Freedom is worth fighting for. I think most people who have been born after 1960, the yr my son was born, have no idea what it is to be under oppression, or what has been necessary to keep our country free. Some of the cowards in the 50's had the saying, "better red than dead''.  I would gladly give my life for my country and its freedoms.

 ;D

JudgeNot,

I remember that saying quite clearly as if it were just yesterday. I always thought that if you were red you may as well be dead. My family went through a lot of oppression, they remember it well. That is why they came to America in the first place. They cherished the freedoms that they gained here and were sure to instill that gratitude in us, their children.

"Freedom Isn't Free" This is a lesson that we have learned through the Bible also. All through the Bible we see where people had to make sacrifices of one nature or another for their freedoms. The most important of them all is the sacrifice that Jesus Christ gave so that we all could be free from the death that sin brings upon us.

Too many people are willing to give up these freedoms for what they deem to be security when it actualality they are giving up the very thing they deem so important to them  .....  security, safety from death.

Many people complained about the unnecessary deaths of the Viet Nam war. Most do not realise that there were more people killed after the war in Viet Nam was over than there were during the entire time of war. And all of those deaths were in the name of so called peace.

Those officers were terrified because of the situation during that time in London. That does not excuse them for what they did to that poor guy.
There was lying. When I first heard what had happened, I was sure we were going to find out the guy was a terrorist.
Then, all the lies came to he forefront.

I wouldn't call it out and out murder, but I would have to charge those cops with manslaughter. The guy was not running, he did not refuse orders to stop, because he was not running. He did not have a large puffy coat on.
He was sitting in a subway car seat, he was tackled and held down, then one of the cops shot him several times in the head. That's hardly an accident.

I don't think anyone called it an accident or meant to infer that it was such. Very poor judgement and self control by the police but not an accident. Manslaughter would most likely fit the situation but not murder.

You're quite right Pastor Roger. I misread phill's post. He said ""unfortunate incident". I saw it as "accident"

I do understand how it could happen during a time of such devestating loss, and I do sympathize with the officers. The guy came out of a house which was under survailance, and he did have a dark complexion. It's unfortunate that the cop who was surveiling took a pee break and did not see that the wrong man came out of the building.
However, my sympathy is greater for the man who was killed and his family.
There is no choice, these cops must be charged with manslaughter. I'd like to hear from the police who were involved. That could change my opinion. I need to know what he was feeling at the time he shot that guy seven times in the head.

The officer who was holding the guy down said he felt the bullits wizzing past his ear. The shooter was obviously terrified for him to not only kill someone who was being held down, but to shoot so many shots so close to his partner's head.

It's a very sad situation for the dead man's family, and the officer and his family.

Sorry about the "long PDF", I didn't realize you were so averse to reading.  The reason I didn't attempt to fulfill your request exactly like you asked is that it's irrelevant in the context of our discussion.  I did not say that the media was lying to people and actually saying that Iraq was responsibile for the 9/11 attacks (though some instance of this may exist, especially outside the mainstream media).  What my point was: the media made a minimal, if any, effort to inform the public that these widely held beliefs that Iraq was involved in the 9/11 attacks was indeed false.  What the "long PDF" goes on to show is that you're more likely to believe these falsehoods if you primarily get your news from certain sources and less likely from others.  I might recommend PBS or reading the paper for your news, since people who got most of their news from PBS or newspapers were among the least confused about these facts.

My friend. It is almost impossible to read a post when it is entirely in quotations.
 If use the quotations on "quotes" only, and add your comments in full text, we can read your posts.

Thanks friend.

In the heat of an altercation, anyone can become terrified, even cops.

I've listened to many officers who were involved in the L.A. bank robbery where armed robbers toting high-powered assault rifles, with armour piercing ammo, and wearing full body armour shot several people, including police officers, and the police said they were terrified.

My own cousin was a cop, he's dead now, but once he was involved in a shoot out and his partner was shot and died right in front of him. My cousin was terrified.

Anyone who comes face to face with his or her own death who says he wasn't terrified is a liar.

The kinds of cops you believe in don't exist. Watch TV and you'll find some Robocops there, but I live ion the real world.

I don't know anything about the "13 year old kid" so I can't comment on it.

Amen brother John.

Phil,

Police, Military and anyone in that position are human. They are capable of all human frailties including making a mistake in judgement due to overwhelming fear.

I was in the Military. Personally I would not want a partner with me that did not admit that they could be afraid. A person that does not admit to fear in such a situation is a very dangerous person to be around. They can get themselves and those around them killed very easily.

You know, none of us are even close to perfect. We all make mistakes, some of them really bad.
I always try to put myself into someone else's shoes and think like they think. Although we don't like to think our present emotions might play a part in our actions, they usually will.
I'm really surprised that more "mistakes" aren't made everywhere, especially war zones and where the terrorist threats are the greatest, like the iraqis who were killed on that bridge when someone said there was a bomber there. If we are in the line of fire, we will make mistakes.
I think God is in charge of everything and when people die, from whatever reason, it is their appointed time to die.
It may be an accident, disease, natural disaster, or outright murder or war.
There needs to be less finger pointing and more of what can I do to help these situations. Only One can control everything, and that is God. we are His tools.
Everyone from the local to the feds have responsibility.  :(

Phil121,

This and other posts you've made make you sound like an anarchist. The police, just in this country, make millions of contacts every day, and only a tiny number incidents of wrong doing hit the news in the time span of a year. You can count on the fact that the liberal news media loves that kind of story, and they will air all they can get. So, the statistics indicate that the police in this country are very professional, and they are trying to do a difficult job in the best possible manner.

If you do as well in your line of work, you will be doing good.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Colossians 2:8-10 NASB  See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ. For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form, and in Him you have been made complete, and He is the head over all rule and authority;

Yes they are held accountable. Your baised opinion is showing, again.

The scope and meaning of "accountability" has been extended in a number of directions well beyond its core sense of being called to account for one's actions. It has been applied to internal aspects of official behaviour, beyond the external focus implied by being called to account; to institutions that control official behaviour other than through calling officials to account; to means of making officials responsive to public wishes other than through calling them to account; and to democratic dialogue between citizens where no one is being called to account. In each case the extension is readily intelligible because it is into an area of activity closely relevant to the practice of core accountability. However, in each case the extension of meaning may be challenged as weakening the importance of external scrutiny

Just as people are held accountable for their actions. They will be held accountable for their criminal actions.

Resting in the hands, of Jesus.
Bob

Malachi 3:15 And now we call the proud happy; yea, they that work wickedness are set up; yea, they that tempt God are even delivered.

This is America with freedom of speech and the right to dissent. A one sided view becomes totalitarian and dictator bound. Thank God for our checks and balances government with our two party system and the three branches in our government.

"It is the liberal media that has caused a lot of discension against the Military just as they did during Viet Nam."

It was not dissention against the military, but rather how the military was/is used by the government. Just as it is today.

50,000 Americans dead/sacrificed and what was the outcome?

Oh the media, dissenters, Kerry and Jane Fonda caused it. Hogwash!

That is true also, however when things go as they did in Viet Nam such "freedom of speech" became a hazard that was the cause of many people getting killed that was not necessary. North Viet Nam was just about ready to give up and attempt to find a peaceful resolution but was spurred on by the many people in America that was against the war.

When free speech turns into treasonous speech then nothing but failure is ahead for that country and its people.


Mat 12:25  And Jesus knew their thoughts, and said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand:

Commentary from citizens on how the country should be governed is not treason, it's democracy.

A simple commentary by the citizens is in fact democracy. When it moves beyond simple commentary to supporting the enemies (even if it is only verbally) then it moves into the arena of treason.

Amen, Pastor Roger, I think we can say and criticize anything, but I do not agree with group protests that will harm our country. I have heard that many in protest groups are hired to come in and protest. I believe many of them like to grandstand and grab attention. Just like when a tv camera comes around, many people will wave, crowd into the picture and make a spectacle of themselves. They love to be the center of attention.

Okay... Here's my take on the media. And keep in mind I've watched both major left and right outlets, and also taken news from papers, magazines... Etc.

It's my opinion that the major media as a whole:
A) is extremely biased toward the left. There are very few centers which see things from a conservative point of view, and I am thankful that such people as Rush Limbaugh and Shawn Hannity are so outspoken. If not for them, the left might have the news media entirely (They already have major news outlets such as CNN, ABC, CBS, etc.).
B)has FAILED miserably in its duty to keep the country informed. They have FAILED to give the country the entire story. For example, the media has managed to report about every single casualty in Iraq, bringing up the total to approx. 1,500 now. BUT!!! What they fail to mention is that the all things considered, the cost of this war has been very, very low. These stats are a few months old, but they'll be relevant enough.

In Iraq, there have been an average of 1.5 casualties per day.
Consider that in the revolutionary war, we lost about 300 per day.
In one battle alone in the civil war, we lost over 40,000.
In World Wars I & II, the average casualty rate per day was somewhere from 2,000 - 3,000.
I'm not entirely sure of what it was in Vietnam.

Now, does that make our Iraqi war deaths any less tragic? Of course not... But the media needs to stop focusing, like the vultures they are, on all the death and start looking at the bright side as well as the dark side... They need to give the whole story!

C) In its current state, the media has become little more than a political propaganda and agenda machine, doing whatever it can to destroy the image of NOT ONLY conservatives and the president, but also we as Christians as well. The only time a Christian gets major air-time is when he screws up. So yes, I think the major media IS a MAJOR pawn in Satan's chess game.

D) Has gone from free-speech to slander. The founding fathers wanted free speech in that they wanted to have a say in their government. If one disagrees with a decision a leader makes and thinks he has a better solution, then that person can try to get it changed. This does NOT mean however that one should be free to disrespect and condemn a leader for certain things which are beyond his control. This ALSO does not mean he should be free to support enemies of freedom, IE, terrorists, Saddam... And the list goes on..

Anyway... Just my little soap-box rant. You want the whole story? You've got to look at the good and the bad, look at the left and the right. It's gotten to the point where one can no longer look to just one single source for all their information. :(

Little Pilgrim,
You are 100% right. I really do believe that FOX is more balanced in their reports, although the only time I get to watch it is when I'm in a hotel.
I could not believe it when the other networks were protesting their motto, "Fair and Balanced." I want the news pure and simple, so that I can make up my own mind.
When I sent something to an acquaintance before the election, he pounced on me and said you must watch FOX. I said, sorry I watch the major ones, but I can recognize an agenda when I see it.
I wish there was a conservative network that I could get.
What gets me, is that in so many letters to the editors and editorials, that the writers just keep perpetuating lies. Its like they have been brainwashed by the left. I have to repent of the feelings that come over me when I read their ranting and raving. If they could just think for themselves, they would know how ridiculous they sound. And so what if no WMDs were found in Iraq? That is in the past, this is present. They wish to cast conservatives and Christians in a negative light and blame all of the worlds problems on them.
I'm sorry that some Christians do not act like them, God knows I have not always done as I should and had to repent.

Hello LittlePilgrim,

Extremely Well Said!!

If the American people depended on the mainstream news media, we would be kept in the dark and fed only what the liberals want us to know.

One of the things that bothers me the worst right now is the lack of news about all the good things our members of the Armed Services are doing. Not only have they rescued and liberated millions of people from a mass murdering tyrant, they have and are performing thousands of acts of kindness and assistance to a down-trodden people. One needs to know someone serving there or have a family member serving there to find out about all the good things they are doing. My son did a tour there. So, why aren't these good things in the news?

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 8:1-2 NASB  Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death.

I understand why so many have turned away from the mainstream media, because there is a lot of truth to the accussation that they haven't kept the American people informed.  Like in the report I posted earlier, so many Americans have been fooled into thinking that Iraq was somehow responsible for 9/11, and the media has done an ill job of alleviating that myth.

Many have also turned to Fox News and Rush Limbaugh so that they can hear what they want to hear.  These outlets, as shown in the study, lead to a more misinformed population than any of the other new sources.  If you'd like I can delineate a number of times these people have lied to the public to push an agenda, but I doubt you'll want to hear that since most of their audience are interested in hearing what they want to hear, true or not . . . and they know it.

Although the facts do indeed show that the Bush administration is doing a poor job and amounts to negative press for them, reporting these facts does not indicate that the press is biased.  Although the media has covered the casualty count you mentioned in Iraq (probably because the people from the hometowns of these fallen soldiers would be very interested) : actually just over 2,000 for the 'coalition' (about 1900 for the USA), the media has hardly mentioned the civilian Iraqi casualties - estimated to be about 25,000.  Would that count as a bias in favor of the war, the conservative agenda i.e. not liberal ?

And finally, as far as gathering for protests being treasonous, let me remind you that the US Constitution's Bill of Rights specifically calls for a freedom for people to assemble to protest grievances like these.  But again the conservative political agenda seeks to weaken this and other rights through accussations of lack of patriotism, treason, and even support of the enemy.  You'll find this infectious propaganda readily in these alternative news sources.  The mainstream media undoubtedly has unintentional biases (not all to the left as the conservatives need you to believe), but these alternate sources are intentionally propagating an agenda . . . not a smart place to get your news if you seek the truth.

Florida_Catholic,

WOW! - You are so far left that you can't even see the center. So far, the majority of the American public won't buy it now and won't buy it in the future. It appears that America will go forward, regardless of how much trouble the left causes along the way. In fact, the more trouble the left causes, the further right the country will go. America is finally wising up and sees the big picture, so I appreciate your work in encouraging conservatives.

Hi all,

great topic!  As a Journalism student, and a conservative one at that, this is a topic that I have studied in great detail.

I really wish that my own findings on the topic were a little more positive for the right in this country, but they do not seem to be so.

The notion that FOX provides fair and balanced reporting is simply not true, and in fact, recent studies have shown that FOX NEWS viewers are actually much more likely to be hopelessly misinformed as to actual world events in many instances.  

In general, I certainly don't expect any of you to stop watching FOX, as it is very comforting to see someone reaffirming what you think you know, but rest assured, you are most likely, being intentionally (but obviously willingly) mislead.

If it intrests any of you, check out the film: Outfoxed, Rupert Murdoch's War on Journalism.  It is an interesting and highly reliable look into what FOX news is really all about.

cheers,

Jimmy

Jimmy,

;D  ;D  ;D  If you are a conservative, I'm Bin Laden. You made me spit coffee all over my monitor. I'll try to stop laughing and read your post later.

Bep,

You're Bin Ladden!!!  Wow!  you're doing a great job of hidding from the us!  I guess our armies being distracted with the whole Iraq thing has kind of let you off the hook for the 9/11 unpleasantness.

Cheers,

Jimmy

JS,
First, what makes you think you are conservative? All of your posts would tend to lead me to believe you are quite the opposite.

Secondly, don't get me started on Iraq and the WOT.  ::)

Yea, don't get him started.  He'll tell you how the liberal media is lying about this whole thing.  You know those WMD sites that the administration was pointing at before the war - Al Gore actually went in and stole 'em to give to Bin Laden.  And Bin Laden is actually not off the hook, really the administration sent double as many people after than they did into Iraq so that they could smoke him out of his hole.  Now they have him in hiding and are secretly interrogating him for info - which is what tipped them off that the people trying to volunteer and help with Katrina might actually be with Al Qaeda.  Good thing they were there to protect those New Orleanians.

@ Florida_Catholic

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Okay... I've got NO idea where most of that came from. Al Gore and John Kerry (Or as I call him John Scary) agreed that Iraq had WMDs... Until their political necks were on the line. Clinton agreed that Iraq had WMDs...  When dummocrats make statements like that and then they are believed to be false, you liberals tend to say that they got "Faulty Intel." George Bush and other GOP leaders make the same statements, and suddenly they're liars! Talk about double-speak!

Still... From my experience in dealing with liberals (And I'll use a favorite quote of Sean Hannity), they're political HACKS!  >:(