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I was recently banned from www.christianforums.com for witnessing to the Liberal Christians on there, they were offended by the truth.  As for witnessing to Atheists and Liberal Christians on the internet it is difficult and frusterating.  They have their version of the "truth", then there is THE TRUTH, The Word and The Will of God.  It's not cryptically, it's spelled out.  God's Commandments to Jesus's promise of Salvation to the rules and guidelines to living a joyful and fullfilling life.

While debating with someone that has no moral compass but their own is impossiable, debating in general about these spiritual matters is not recommended.  

It's tough to say, but people will accept it if they want to, God has given all of us free will to accept his Salvation or reject it.  

I learned long ago when I was handing out Bible tracts not to engage in debates and arguements with people, but to only offer The Word.   When I do engage in debates it's been with Theologically Liberal Christians that are giving wrong and harmful information to new Believers and non-believers, which is ultimately harming the new believers, causing the non-believers to stay non-believers, cause problems with-in the congregration, and furthering the discontent towards Chrisitianity.  

The biggest lack is in CHARITY.  Love in Action.  We must love eachother enough to tell them where they are wrong.  Would you allow your young children to play in the street and then you child influenced another child to play in the street?   Hopefully you would not.  

While we are out Witnessing to the lost sheep, remember God's lost children.


Edited for context Error!!  

Hi 'Zilla,
I was 'asked to leave' (choke) another "christian" forum sometime back.  I can't remeber my supposed transgression, however, as it turned out, it was a blessing - for I found ChristiansUnite!!!
 ;D

JN, have you been trolling and upsetting other Christian forums again?  ;D LOL  j/k  


Witnessing on forums can most certainly be challenging.   I had recently shared the Gospel on a non Christian forum that I visit (hobbyist site) where the subject of hell was brought up on a thread.   The thread remained civil for the most part, but dispelling doubts of unbelievers does require a certain amount of non combative debating....if you could even call it debate.   As Zilla says, love is crucial, but it can be done.  

I'll be honest, I was very reluctant to involve myself in the discussion at first fearing wild arguments etc, but God was gnawing at me to share.   It turns out, that a prominent member of that forum, who had posted to the thread was killed in a tragic accident not long afterwards.   Talk about a dose of reality!    I pray that God was able to use me as an instrument well enough to reach this young man before his death, as well as the others who read my testimony.

We just never know when we might be the last person to speak about the Gospel to someone who wont be with us tomorrow.   It was a bone jarring reminder to me, how vitally important it is to share the Love of Christ with others around us, and use EVERY opportunity we are given.

May God keep us alert and ready to speak of His undying Love to Mercy to folks we come in contact with.

YEP!  That's me!!!!
(Although, when I think of trolling - I think of lunker bass!!)
 ;D

AMEN 2ND TIMOTHY!

Brother, I pray that God gives us strength, wisdom, and courage  to take advantage of every opportunity HE gives us to witness. It won't be pleasant many times, but God will be with us. We will be scorned and even persecuted, but that is a reasonable service for the ONE who died on the Cross for us.

I was just reflecting on the many times that I didn't listen to that voice that said speak up and stand up. I'm certainly not ashamed of my Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, and I give thanks every day that HE bought me with HIS precious blood. Further, I'm not ashamed or bashful about the Gospel of the Grace of God. I love HIS GOSPEL, and I pray that I would have the courage to die for it. So, my failures to stand up and speak up from time to time must be my weakness, certainly not God's. May God give us strength and willingness to yield and be used every time HE calls.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Romans 1:16  For I am not ashamed of the Gospel (good news) of Christ, for it is God's power working unto salvation [for deliverance from eternal death] to everyone who believes with a personal trust and a confident surrender and firm reliance, to the Jew first and also to the Greek,  (The Amplified Bible)

Is it possible to be a liberal and a Christian?  ;D  Im sorry forgive me that was wrong.

;D
Hello MusicMedic5150,

This is a great question today because it's very difficult to even define terms these days. As an example, being a Christian 50 years ago had a very easy and well-recognized definition. Today, one needs three pages of details to make it plain what someone means by the term, "Christian".

Love in Christ,
Tom

John 11:25 NASB  Jesus said to her, "I am the resurrection and the life; he who believes in Me will live even if he dies,

Yes it is an excellent question and one that deserves to be addressed. The meaning of the word Christian, as so many words of today, has taken on the meaning of whatever the person that is using it wishes it to mean instead of the original useage of the word.

Brothers and Sisters,

I hope this might give some of the older people a laugh. It's really funny when one thinks about how quickly things change and terms used by society change quickly also.

50 years ago, being liberal usually referred to a generous person who gave regularly to the church, missions, charities, and to people less fortunate (i.e. liberal and cheerful giver). This term was rarely used in a negative way. This was simply a happy Christian who enjoyed helping other people. I really don't remember if this term was used in politics or not, but it was certainly used in church.

Being a Christian was just about as simple. A Christian was someone who was a possession of JESUS CHRIST, VERY GOD, and CHRIST was the Head and Core of that person's life. Christians were pretty plain and simple folks where I grew up, and being a Christian meant 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Christians guarded their living testimonies for Christ, and it was a major incident to do something that hurt the LORD'S work in our community. Christians only shopped at Christian businesses, and the vast majority of the city was Christian. Our city has grown 5 or more times the size, and I doubt that I need to tell you that things have changed for the worse in many ways.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Hi from the wind.

Welcome to Christians Unite.

Yes, arguing with those that do not want to hear never has accomplished anything. It is especially hard when they are grouped together, emboldening each other.

I hope to see more of your posts here and to have some wonderful fellowship in the Lord.

Many times I have found that witnessing to atheists is a bit like the old saying "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink". It doesn't make us stop trying, but it does make the job harder.
As for the liberal Christian, I find their biggest argument is that nothing in the old testament counts anymore. That the blood of Jesus wiped that all away. Which means that keeping God's law of  the 10 commandments no longer applies, homosexuality is normal and okay behavior, and all the lessons we have learned through the verses that give us direction and guidance are no longer important. I had several people tell me that there was nothing in the new testament about homosexuality being wrong or sinful. They were a bit surprised when I hunted down all the verses that showed that idea was totally false.

Although some of the things that we see in the Old Testament has been brought to a completion when Jesus gave His all on the cross, the Old Testament still is the foundation on which the New Testament stands. It still "is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: That the man of God may be perfect, throughly furnished unto all good works." That means ALL from Genesis 1:1 all the way through Rev 22:21.


That is because so many rely on the false teachings of others instead of reading the word for themselves with the true guidance of the Holy Spirit.

Hello Islandboy,

There should be no surprise that the things that were an abomination to GOD in the Old Testament are still an abomination to GOD in the New Testament, and that includes times after the CROSS. See the below for one of many examples. It's about as clear and blunt as one can get.
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Romans 1:22 KJV  Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,

Romans 1:23 KJV  And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.

Romans 1:24 KJV  Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:

Romans 1:25 KJV  Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

Romans 1:26 KJV  For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

Romans 1:27 KJV  And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

Romans 1:28 KJV  And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Romans 1:29 KJV  Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,

Romans 1:30 KJV  Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,

Romans 1:31 KJV  Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:

Romans 1:32 KJV  Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
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Here's an interesting tidbit of information for you. It hasn't been that long ago that homosexual acts were a felony in the entire country - every single state. They were known as "Crimes Against Nature". There was a change in punishment between the Old Testament and the New Testament. We are no longer commanded to stone them to death. It's very cruel to tell people involved with alternative lifestyles that what they're doing is OK in the eyes of GOD. It's NOT - it's an ABOMINATION - GOD hates it! Bluntly - these people need JESUS CHRIST in their lives - repentance - forgiveness - rescue from the curse of sin and death.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 73:26 NASB  My flesh and my heart may fail, But God is the strength of my heart and my portion forever.

Thank you for your input as well as, the verses you quoted, Tom. I printed them off for future reference.

I have a liberal (will not call her a Christian see why below) at work that I try to witness with. Before I do I pray to the Lord to guide my mind and heart to quote proper scripture. She believes the Bible is old and outdated and does not apply to todays current lifestyles. I have heard this from several other liberals as well. Must be somewhat of a brainwash they employ. My brothers... God's word never changes, gets old or outdated. It applies today as it did 2000 years ago. And Revelation will prove it all to be true. When our Saviour blows that great trumpet to come take us home and punish all those who chose not to follow his command. Chose to ignore Jesus when He was tugging at their heart. Chose to ignore the simple instructions for eternal salvation through the blood of the Lamb. Chose an eternity in Hell with Satan cut off from the light and love of God. If you guys can throw in some good scripture right about now that would be awesome ;D

Amen MusicMedic,

Unfortunately many have been taught that the Bible is outdated. They have been taught all sorts of various and strange doctrines. They are blind to the truth being led by the blind.


Heb 13:8  Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
Heb 13:9  Be not carried about with divers and strange doctrines. For it is a good thing that the heart be established with grace; not with meats, which have not profited them that have been occupied therein.


Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
Mat 7:24  Therefore whosoever heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them, I will liken him unto a wise man, which built his house upon a rock:
Mat 7:25  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell not: for it was founded upon a rock.
Mat 7:26  And every one that heareth these sayings of mine, and doeth them not, shall be likened unto a foolish man, which built his house upon the sand:
Mat 7:27  And the rain descended, and the floods came, and the winds blew, and beat upon that house; and it fell: and great was the fall of it.

Well brothers and sisters, I had something strange happen today at dinner.  Lizzie and I were out to dinner with some friends. 

We were talking about the Lord, when an atheist walked up and spit on me, for talking about Christ.  I said may God bless you son.  Got up and walked to the bathroom to wash my face.  About 30 minutes later this kid walked back in, and asked questions about Christ.  At dinner this young boy came to Christ. 

I've never had a kid come to Christ this way.  Praise God for teachiing me to forgive along time ago.  In my old life, I would have gotten mad about being spit on.

Praise God! The love of God does go along way.

Hey Dream you should have paid for his dinner and wrote God loves you on the receipt.  ;D

Praise the Lord. The Lord works in mysterious ways. By thy works and thy actions one never knows when we may lead someone to to accept Jesus as their Lord and Saviour. Well done Brother.