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Title: Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Kris777 on July 04, 2005, 01:29:17 AM
Deuteronomy 32:3-4

Because I will publish the name of the Lord: ascribe ye greatness unto out God.  He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment; a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Matthew 17:18

And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

John 20:25-28

The other disciples therefore said unto him, We have seen the Lord.  But he said unto them, Except I shall see in his hands the print of the nails, and thrust my hand into his side, I will not believe.  And after eight days agian his disciples were within and Thomas with them; then came Jesus, the doors being shut, and stood in the midst, and said, Peace be unto you.  Then saith he to Thomas, Reach hither thy finger, and behold my hands; and reach hither thy hand, and thrust it into my side: and be not faithless, but believing.  And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.

Isaiah 42:1-4

Behold my servent, whom I uphold, mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit up him; he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.  He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be heard in the street.  A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.  He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till he have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Matthew 12:15-21

But when Jesus knew it, he withdrew himself from thence: and great multitudes followed him, and he healed them all: And charged them that they should not make him known:  That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esa'ias the prophet,saying,  Behold my servent, whom thy soul is well pleased:  I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall shew judgement to the Gentiles.  He shall not strive, nor cry neither shall any man hear his voice in the streets.  A bruised reed shall he not break, and smoking flax shall he not quench, till he send forth judgment unto victory.  And in his name shall the Gentiles trust.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: ldsaint on July 23, 2005, 07:24:23 PM
Jesus and God, and the Holy Ghost for that matter are all seperate beings. It is proven in the Bible if you read it correctly, or read at all for that matter. When Jesus is babtised by john the babtist, the heavens opened and there came a voice from heaven saying... This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. If they were the same being....Why Does this passage exsist?? Matt. 3:17. In the next chapter the devil refers to Jesus as the SON of God? If you need more passages to read about this subject reply and I will list the many chapters and verses. ???


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 23, 2005, 08:27:57 PM
The three are one. It is proven in the Bible if you read it correctly, or read at all for that matter. This is a Christian forum and the Trinity is not a debatable subject on this forum. For more information than the following verses you can read the threads "Is Jesus God? part one and part two" in Apologetics.

I repeat this is not a debatable subject on this forum.


Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.


Joh 10:30  I and my Father are one.


1Jo 5:7  For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: nChrist on July 23, 2005, 08:38:47 PM
Jesus and God, and the Holy Ghost for that matter are all seperate beings. It is proven in the Bible if you read it correctly, or read at all for that matter. When Jesus is babtised by john the babtist, the heavens opened and there came a voice from heaven saying... This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. If they were the same being....Why Does this passage exsist?? Matt. 3:17. In the next chapter the devil refers to Jesus as the SON of God? If you need more passages to read about this subject reply and I will list the many chapters and verses. ???

ldsaint,

First, I'll say WELCOME to Christians Unite.

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Now, back to your post. You would be wasting your time completely. All mature Christians know that God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit are One Almighty God.

The evidence in the Holy Bible is overwhelming. Take a look at the following threads. These are just a small sample of what's already on the forum, so please read them and learn.

Is Jesus God - Part 2 (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=6495)

Is Jesus God - Part 1 (http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=2397)

Love in Christ,
Tom

John 8:18-19 ASV  I am he that beareth witness of myself, and the Father that sent me beareth witness of me.  They said therefore unto him, Where is thy Father? Jesus answered, Ye know neither me, nor my Father: if ye knew me, ye would know my Father also.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: ldsaint on July 24, 2005, 12:56:45 PM
God, Jesus and the holy ghost are of the same purpose but not the same person....did you all not read the bible,,, why would jesus pray to himself?? and call himself, his son?? This is a debatable subject because I am a strong christian I go to church every sunday I read the scriptures. There are many instances were jesus prays to God, Not himself.In our religion we are taught this, I know it to be true. I am a Christian. I believe in Jesus Christ as the Son of God, and as my Savior and redeemer. I challenge you to read the Scriptures and pray about this, and I know you will find it to be true also. I say these things in the name of Jesus Christ. Amen.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 24, 2005, 01:30:57 PM
Yes, Jesus is the son of God. He is also very God. I strongly suggest that you open your eyes and read the Bible. It say both, Jesus Christ is the Son of God and He is God. To say this is not true is to ignore many verses in the Bible and to limit the power of God. It is to say that it is not possible for God to do such a thing. Again I refer you to the links that blackeyedpeas gave above. For your own benefit take the time to read those links.



Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: ldsaint on July 24, 2005, 03:19:50 PM
How are you not ignoring verses that say that jesus is the Son of God? I am not intrested in other peoples propaganda and interpretations of what the bible says.If jesus is the son of God,, He isnt God. They are one in the same in purpose. If jesus was God then why did he tell his desciples do not worship me worship God. Again I know what the Bible says about the Trinity, you are mis interpreting the Bible. Because if you believe they are the same, and the bible says that they are and that they are not... Is the Bible Flawed.... YES. Because the bible was written and re written By who??? By man. I believe the Bible is the word of god. As long as it is translated correctly. You all should realize that the Bible is only inspired by God.. God did not write it.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Kris777 on July 24, 2005, 03:26:07 PM
When I made this thread I made it to show people that Jesus is God.  He clearly is if you read the Bible.  I have read the New Testement and the majority of the Old Testement. I'm still working on it.  I have made this thread in response to the Muslims that are were in my college writing class and thought that I would use it here as well.  I didn't write it to attack anyone.  Just to prove that Jesus is God.  God is 3 in 1.  I just think that people how aren't saved can't understand that.  There is God the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.  It wouldn't be right to make them anything less then what they are.

Read this verse:

Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

It is hard to explain God, but as you can see from the verse above, there is definently one God, but like I said 3 in 1.  God the Father, God the Son, and God the Holy Spirit.

Brothers and sisters in Christ, please don't attack people that ask questions or don't understand, but show them why something is the way it is and always have Bible verses to back it up.

Love in Christ, all you guys,
Kris


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Soldier4Christ on July 24, 2005, 04:22:25 PM
How are you not ignoring verses that say that jesus is the Son of God? I am not intrested in other peoples propaganda and interpretations of what the bible says.If jesus is the son of God,, He isnt God. They are one in the same in purpose. If jesus was God then why did he tell his desciples do not worship me worship God. Again I know what the Bible says about the Trinity, you are mis interpreting the Bible. Because if you believe they are the same, and the bible says that they are and that they are not... Is the Bible Flawed.... YES. Because the bible was written and re written By who??? By man. I believe the Bible is the word of god. As long as it is translated correctly. You all should realize that the Bible is only inspired by God.. God did not write it.


I am not ignoring the verses that say Jesus is the son of God. I even told you in my last post that He is. You however are ignoring the verses that Jesus is also God. Is this such a difficult concept to understand that God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit, all three, are also one?


Joh 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.


Isa 7:14  Therefore the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Immanuel.


Isa 9:6  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Mat 1:23  Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

These are just a few of the many verses that prove that Jesus is also God. Do you deny these verses also or are you only willing to recognise the verses that say He is the Son of God?

You yourself  said that Jesus is the Son of God. If the Holy Spirit is not God also then why verses like the following one?

Mat 1:18  Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as his mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was found with child of the Holy Ghost.

 




Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: 2nd Timothy on July 24, 2005, 11:10:22 PM
Amen PR!   Jesus Christ is God.  If He wasn't, then we are still in our sins.  Only Righteous blood can redeem us, and only God is Righteous.  

Joh 1:1  In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.


Joh 1:14  And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.



Rev 1:7  Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
Rev 1:8  I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.


Jesus IS God full of grace and truth, Hallelujah to the King of Kings and Lord of Lords....THE ALMIGHTY!


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Reba on July 25, 2005, 12:39:24 AM
Jesus and God, and the Holy Ghost for that matter are all seperate beings. It is proven in the Bible if you read it correctly, or read at all for that matter. When Jesus is babtised by john the babtist, the heavens opened and there came a voice from heaven saying... This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. If they were the same being....Why Does this passage exsist?? Matt. 3:17. In the next chapter the devil refers to Jesus as the SON of God? If you need more passages to read about this subject reply and I will list the many chapters and verses. ???

Heb 1:8

8 But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
KJV

God calls Jesus God who is man to say different?


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: nChrist on July 25, 2005, 02:39:55 AM
Kriss777,

Several massive threads about the absolute fact that JESUS is and always has been VERY GOD were made for the same reasons you made this one. We've had a never ending stream of cult members coming here to do their work. There is no pulpit here for those cult members, and there never will be. It is kind to be bold in proclaiming the truth, especially to those who have been brain-washed with lies for many years. It would be unkind to do anything else, as the cult members would simply remain lost in their sins and headed for eternal destruction.

It's very common for cult members to ignore the facts, especially the Gospel of the Grace of God. They can't look at the facts and remain true to their mission. It is beyond imagination that they keep coming here to rescue us from JESUS, Very God, our Lord and Saviour. The facts are already here and in the Holy Bible, but that violates the mission of the cult member. The kindest and most reasonable thing to do is remove the cult pulpit and give them the truth, both here and for those who stand on your front porch. Anything less is cruel and risks others being snared by the devil for the same cult.

Bold and blunt truth is love and kindness for cult members for the above reasons. Even with that, it's hard to get their attention.

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Timothy 4:1-2 ASV  I charge thee in the sight of God, and of Christ Jesus, who shall judge the living and the dead, and by his appearing and his kingdom:  preach the word; be urgent in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Shammu on July 25, 2005, 02:39:51 PM
How are you not ignoring verses that say that jesus is the Son of God? I am not intrested in other peoples propaganda and interpretations of what the bible says.If jesus is the son of God,, He isnt God. They are one in the same in purpose. If jesus was God then why did he tell his desciples do not worship me worship God. Again I know what the Bible says about the Trinity, you are mis interpreting the Bible. Because if you believe they are the same, and the bible says that they are and that they are not... Is the Bible Flawed.... YES. Because the bible was written and re written By who??? By man. I believe the Bible is the word of god. As long as it is translated correctly. You all should realize that the Bible is only inspired by God.. God did not write it.
It is clear that the terms Father, Son, and Holy Ghost cannot imply three separate persons, personalities, wills, or beings. They can only denote different aspects or roles of one Spirit being   the one God. They describe God's relationships to man, not persons in a Godhead. We use Father to emphasize God's roles as Creator, Father of spirits, Father of the born-again believers, and Father of the humanity of Jesus Christ. We use Son to mean both the humanity of Jesus Christ and God as He manifested Himself in the flesh for the purpose of man's salvation. We use Holy Ghost to emphasize God's active power in the world and among men, particularly His work in regeneration.

It should noted that these three titles are not the only ones God has. Many other titles or names for God are very significant and appear frequently in the Bible, including terms such as LORD (Jehovah), Lord, Word, God Almighty, and Holy One of Israel. The oneness view does not deny Father, Son, or Holy Ghost, but it does refute the view that these terms designate persons in the Godhead. God has many titles, but He is one being. He is indivisible as to His existence, but His revelation of Himself to mankind has been expressed through many channels, including His revelation as the Father, in the Son, and as the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

In this passage, Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." However, this verse of Scripture does not teach that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate persons. Rather, it teaches the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost identify one name and therefore one being. The verse expressly says "in the name," not "in the names."

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all describe the one God, so the phrase in Matthew 28:19 simply describes the one name of the one God. The Old Testament promised that there would come a time when Jehovah would have one name and that this one name would be made known Zechariah 14:9; Isaiah 52:6. We know that the one name of Matthew 28:19 is Jesus, for Jesus is the name of the Father John 5:43; Hebrews 1:4, the Son Matthew 1:21, and the Holy Ghost John 14:26. The New Testament church understood this to be so, for they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5; I Corinthians 1:13. Matthew himself endorsed this interpretation by standing with Peter and the other apostles during the sermon in which Peter commanded the people to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ Acts 2:14-38.

Some claim that the references in Acts do not really mean that the name of Jesus was orally uttered as part of the baptismal formula. However, this appears to be an attempt to twist the language to comply with an erroneous doctrine and practice. Acts 22:16 says, "Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Matthew 28:19 does not teach three persons in one God, but rather it gives three titles of God, all of which properly apply to Jesus Christ. These titles sum up different roles of God or modes of His revelation; by its singular reference to "name," it focuses upon the one name of God revealed in the New Testament. That name is Jesus.

Further light on this interpretation that the name of God is Jesus comes from a comparison of Revelation 14:1 with 22:3-4. There is one name for the Father, God, and the Lamb. The Lamb is Jesus, so Jesus is the name of God and the Father.

The Bible speaks of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as different manifestations, roles, modes, titles, attributes, relationships to man, or functions of the one God, but it does not refer to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as three persons, personalities, wills, minds, or Gods. God is the Father of us all and in a unique way the Father of the man Jesus Christ. God manifested Himself in flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, called the Son of God. God is also called the Holy Spirit, which emphasizes His activity in the daily lives and affairs of mankind.

Please, don't fall into mans

Resting in the arms, of the Lord.
Bob

Deuteronomy 32:36 For the LORD shall judge his people, and repent himself for his servants, when he seeth that their power is gone, and there is none shut up, or left.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Kris777 on August 04, 2005, 01:09:50 AM
Just thought that I would add this too.  I feel that I am drawn to these verses for a reason.  I think that I'm supposed to tell people who are confused about who Jesus is, who he is exactly.  I think that it might be directed to the people at my college, but I thought that I would post it here too.  Hope I'm not annoying.

Isaiah 7:14  "Therefor the Lord himself shall give you a sign; Behold, a virgin shall conceive, and bear a son, and shall call his name Im-man'-u-el.  Butter and honey shall he eat, that he may know to refuse the evil, and choose the good.  For before the child shall know to refuse the evil, and choose the good, the land that thou abhorrest shall be forsaken of both her kings.

Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall call his name Em-man'-u-el, which being intepreted is, God with us."

Matthew 1:21 " And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus; for he shall save his people from their sins.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 04, 2005, 07:18:14 AM
Kris,

A person is never annoying when they present the truth. Thank you for adding this to this thread.



Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: nChrist on August 04, 2005, 07:56:35 AM
Amen Kris777!

That is a beautiful post, and it speaks volumes. It also proves the Holy Bible. An Old Testament Prophecy is given, and it is fulfilled perfectly in the New Testament by our precious Lord and Saviour, Jesus Christ, Very God!

Thanks - this was a great way to start my day.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 Peter 3:17-18 ASV  For it is better, if the will of God should so will, that ye suffer for well-doing than for evil-doing.  Because Christ also suffered for sins once, the righteous for the unrighteous, that he might bring us to God; being put to death in the flesh, but made alive in the spirit;


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Kris777 on August 04, 2005, 01:55:25 PM
The funny thing is, is I was in class when the word Isaiah came to mind.  I wrote it down and begain to scan the Bible when I got home.  I think that God was pointing that verse out to me.  I know that I'm supposed to do something with them.  Something is going to happen.  I am just excited with antisipation over what.

These verses prove without a doubt that Jesus is God, the Rock, Savior and Son of God.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: nChrist on August 04, 2005, 07:21:36 PM
Amen Kris777,

What you are talking about is the leading of the Holy Spirit. I love that feeling, and it's a joy to comply even when the task might be difficult.

Love In Christ,
Tom

1 John 5:4-5 ASV  For whatsoever is begotten of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that hath overcome the world, even our faith.  And who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Allinall on August 11, 2005, 05:52:08 AM
How are you not ignoring verses that say that jesus is the Son of God? I am not intrested in other peoples propaganda and interpretations of what the bible says.If jesus is the son of God,, He isnt God. They are one in the same in purpose. If jesus was God then why did he tell his desciples do not worship me worship God. Again I know what the Bible says about the Trinity, you are mis interpreting the Bible. Because if you believe they are the same, and the bible says that they are and that they are not... Is the Bible Flawed.... YES. Because the bible was written and re written By who??? By man. I believe the Bible is the word of god. As long as it is translated correctly. You all should realize that the Bible is only inspired by God.. God did not write it.


Genesis chapter 1 sets up the case for the 3 in 1 Triune God we worship.  God the Father commanded creation.  God the Son performed the act of creation.  God the Holy Spirit organized and made that creation beautiful.  Read Genesis 1.

Jesus, Who, as you agree, is the Son of God, said Himself that "I and the Father are One."  Study your Jewish history and learn what exactly was meant by stating you were the "son" of someone in that culture and mindset.  Doing so will shed light on why the Jews were so angry at Jesus' claim.

Throughout the pages of scripture this truth is revealed.  Completely understandable?  No.  Completely undeniable?  Absolutely.  

John says that to deny the Jesus is the Christ is to be without Him - i.e. unsaved.  You tread dangerously close here my friend.  Because the Christ is God very God.  Scripture teaches this.  I encourage you to study more.

 :)

His,

Kevin


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Jemidon2004 on August 11, 2005, 12:23:03 PM
It's clear to me that you can take the stance on Jesus' deity on many different angles. It's also clear to me that there are an every growing number of those who don't believe in the inerrancy of the Word of God and that there are those who don't believe in the Trinity. It's sad to know that this number exists, but the fact is it does. This is my response to those who claim Jesus is not God:

Look at His name!
Look at His life!
Look at His WORDS!
Look at the references to Him in the Old Testament. (Mainly by a fiercely monothiestic religion who saw the Messiah as God and called God the "savior")
Look at His death! (Who else in the world could have defeated Death, Hell, and the Grave? Then arise again to have only three injuries. As well as the amount of torture he suffered. Ordinary man would have died after the 39 stripes. Because the 40th one would have killed him. Plus He wouldn't have lasted 6 or so hours hanging on a cross after that. If i remember correctly it was rare for a person to hang up there for more than 1 hours. Let alone 6 hours.)

Look at His personality! (One who claims  to forgive sins that only God Himself can forgive. God doesn't just give that authoirty away jto anyone. Unless it was He Himself who forgave that sin. Keep in mind that man cannot forgive sin. Only God ALmighty can. If you deny  that Jesus is SGod, then you also deny that Jesus forgave the lame man's sin to heal him. It's noted in Scripture that on more than one occasion, Jesus made reference to Him forgiving sin. Why? because sin is a direct attack against God. Only God can forgive those who attack Him, not man. If we say a man can forgive the sins of another man, we are introducing a mediator between God and man. This has already been put into place by Jesus Christ. 1 Timothy 2:5 "For there is one mediator between God and man, Christ Jesus" Jesus is our advocate...He can only be that way if He was God.

Look at His sinlessness!
This should be proof enough of His deity. What ordinary man on this earth would have lived a sinless life, and not mess up once. Sure he was tempted, however, you cannot defeat the living Word! Also, I will again direct you to what Paul said:

Philippians 2:6-11

   6Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

   7But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

   8And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

   9Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

   10That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

   11And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

That ise the clearest, most direct reference to Jesus' deity i've found in the whole NT other than John 10:30 where it states: "I and my Father are one".

You cannot get much more clearer than that my friends. Jesus is indeed God. To deny such a thing would be in great error. Just a few thoughts my friends. God Bless you and keep you all. If you wish to read some other informatmion that i've written on this subject, check out the links that BlackEyedPeas has provided for you. and when all else fails, go to the original language and find the context in which the author was writing. New doors will open and new vision will be granted. God Bless

Joshua





Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: curious on August 13, 2005, 01:23:16 AM
Yeshua is part of the Trinity,but He is still the Son of God,& being the Son.He is still under the Father.


                             Yours in Yeshua,                          
                             curious


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: nChrist on August 13, 2005, 02:45:07 AM
Yeshua is part of the Trinity,but He is still the Son of God,& being the Son.He is still under the Father.


                             Yours in Yeshua,                          
                             curious

Hello Curious,

The Three are ONE, so JESUS is GOD and always has been.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Isaiah 9:6-7 ASV  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.  Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Bronzesnake on August 13, 2005, 03:07:01 AM
Yeshua is part of the Trinity,but He is still the Son of God,& being the Son.He is still under the Father.


                             Yours in Yeshua,                          
                             curious

Hello Curious,

The Three are ONE, so JESUS is GOD and always has been.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Isaiah 9:6-7 ASV  For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.  Of the increase of his government and of peace there shall be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it with justice and with righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of Jehovah of hosts will perform this.

Amen Tom...

Jhn 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Kris777 on August 14, 2005, 12:08:57 AM
Yeshua is part of the Trinity,but He is still the Son of God,& being the Son.He is still under the Father.


                             Yours in Yeshua,                          
                             curious

I don't believe that he is under the Father at all.  I believe that the Father, Son and Holy Spirit are definently just as important as the other one.  I believe that you might be confused about this Curious, because Jesus would show the Father great respect, but the fact of the matter is all of them need great respect.  They all make up one God.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: missionary angel on August 28, 2005, 06:13:12 PM
Jesus and God, and the Holy Ghost for that matter are all seperate beings. It is proven in the Bible if you read it correctly, or read at all for that matter. When Jesus is babtised by john the babtist, the heavens opened and there came a voice from heaven saying... This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. If they were the same being....Why Does this passage exsist?? Matt. 3:17. In the next chapter the devil refers to Jesus as the SON of God? If you need more passages to read about this subject reply and I will list the many chapters and verses. ???


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: missionary angel on August 28, 2005, 06:19:44 PM
Jesus and God, and the Holy Ghost for that matter are all seperate beings. It is proven in the Bible if you read it correctly, or read at all for that matter. When Jesus is babtised by john the babtist, the heavens opened and there came a voice from heaven saying... This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased. If they were the same being....Why Does this passage exsist?? Matt. 3:17. In the next chapter the devil refers to Jesus as the SON of God? If you need more passages to read about this subject reply and I will list the many chapters and verses. ???
I agree with you.. I will tomorrow post scripture to back this.. I think everyone has had the frog in kettle approach to the trinidy.. and we have lost who God really is... Over and Over Jesus said he was the son of God, Profit and teacher.. and he referred to his father always... Even in the bible it says nor the Angels nor Jesus knows the end times only the Father.. Jesus was the bigging and the end.. He was sent and convieved by the Holy Spirit of God.. and again when he was Babptized the Spirit came into him.. He will sit on the right hand of our Father.. And yes he was sent here so we might be saved... Becaues with out him we would not know who God is or his laws... And he died for us and he will come again to judge the living and the dead.. This was and always has been God's plan to send his son.. But Jesus is not God.. Even Jesus said when he rose the last time I will send the Spririt of God ( Holy Spirit and Comforter to be with you and you you wont be alone.. So why do our churches only worship Jesus.. Jesus never came to be worshiped. He came as God's son to teach s about the almighty God.. And yes he was the chosen one.. so what has happend that we have forgotten who the almighty God of Abriham is.. And why dont we Worship Him.. GOd said there shall be no other Gods before me.. I wlil back all I say in scripture.. and have been studying this for 2 years..   . ote]


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Soldier4Christ on August 28, 2005, 06:52:56 PM
missionary angel,

This is a Christian forum and nothing else will be taught here other than Jesus is very God. I suggest you read the forum rules before you attempt to post anything else. Support of anything other than this will be deleted.

You said that you have been studying this for 2 years. I suggest you study it some more because you have not found the truth.

I suggest that you read the threads "Is Jesus God? both parts one and two. It will help you in your studies.

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=2397

http://forums.christiansunite.com/index.php?board=6;action=display;threadid=6495

Again, any posts that support anything other than what I have stated will be deleted.




moderator




Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Bronzesnake on August 28, 2005, 07:22:55 PM
 It's really sad to see the damage done by false teachings which are perpetrated by cults such as the J.W.

Read the artical in this link, then be totally honest with yourself as to whether the Holy Bible is the Truth or mans own bible NWT is.

http://www.contenderministries.org/jehovahswitnesses/nwt.php (http://www.contenderministries.org/jehovahswitnesses/nwt.php)


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Shammu on August 28, 2005, 11:35:53 PM
I agree with you.. I will tomorrow post scripture to back this.. I think everyone has had the frog in kettle approach to the trinidy.. and we have lost who God really is... Over and Over Jesus said he was the son of God, Profit and teacher.. and he referred to his father always... Even in the bible it says nor the Angels nor Jesus knows the end times only the Father.. Jesus was the bigging and the end.. He was sent and convieved by the Holy Spirit of God.. and again when he was Babptized the Spirit came into him.. He will sit on the right hand of our Father.. And yes he was sent here so we might be saved... Becaues with out him we would not know who God is or his laws... And he died for us and he will come again to judge the living and the dead.. This was and always has been God's plan to send his son.. But Jesus is not God.. Even Jesus said when he rose the last time I will send the Spririt of God ( Holy Spirit and Comforter to be with you and you you wont be alone.. So why do our churches only worship Jesus.. Jesus never came to be worshiped. He came as God's son to teach s about the almighty God.. And yes he was the chosen one.. so what has happend that we have forgotten who the almighty God of Abriham is.. And why dont we Worship Him.. GOd said there shall be no other Gods before me.. I wlil back all I say in scripture.. and have been studying this for 2 years..   . ote]

It is clear that the terms Father, Son, and Holy Ghost cannot imply three separate persons, personalities, wills, or beings. They can only denote different aspects or roles of one Spirit being  the one God. They describe God's relationships to man, not persons in a Godhead. We use Father to emphasize God's roles as Creator, Father of spirits, Father of the born-again believers, and Father of the humanity of Jesus Christ. We use Son to mean both the humanity of Jesus Christ and God as He manifested Himself in the flesh for the purpose of man's salvation. We use Holy Ghost to emphasize God's active power in the world and among men, particularly His work in regeneration.

It should noted that these three titles are not the only ones God has. Many other titles or names for God are very significant and appear frequently in the Bible, including terms such as LORD (Jehovah), Lord, Word, God Almighty, and Holy One of Israel. The oneness view does not deny Father, Son, or Holy Ghost, but it does refute the view that these terms designate persons in the Godhead. God has many titles, but He is one being. He is indivisible as to His existence, but His revelation of Himself to mankind has been expressed through many channels, including His revelation as the Father, in the Son, and as the Holy Ghost.

Matthew 28:19 "Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost"

In this passage, Jesus commanded His disciples to baptize "in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost." However, this verse of Scripture does not teach that Father, Son, and Holy Ghost are three separate persons. Rather, it teaches the titles of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost identify one name and therefore one being. The verse expressly says "in the name," not "in the names."

Father, Son, and Holy Ghost all describe the one God, so the phrase in Matthew 28:19 simply describes the one name of the one God. The Old Testament promised that there would come a time when Jehovah would have one name and that this one name would be made known Zechariah 14:9; Isaiah 52:6. We know that the one name of Matthew 28:19 is Jesus, for Jesus is the name of the Father John 5:43; Hebrews 1:4, the Son Matthew 1:21, and the Holy Ghost John 14:26. The New Testament church understood this to be so, for they baptized in the name of Jesus Christ Acts 2:38; 8:16; 10:48; 19:5; I Corinthians 1:13. Matthew himself endorsed this interpretation by standing with Peter and the other apostles during the sermon in which Peter commanded the people to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ Acts 2:14-38.

Some claim that the references in Acts do not really mean that the name of Jesus was orally uttered as part of the baptismal formula. However, this appears to be an attempt to twist the language to comply with an erroneous doctrine and practice. Acts 22:16 says, "Arise and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord." Matthew 28:19 does not teach three persons in one God, but rather it gives three titles of God, all of which properly apply to Jesus Christ. These titles sum up different roles of God or modes of His revelation; by its singular reference to "name," it focuses upon the one name of God revealed in the New Testament. That name is Jesus.

Further light on this interpretation that the name of God is Jesus comes from a comparison of Revelation 14:1 with 22:3-4. There is one name for the Father, God, and the Lamb. The Lamb is Jesus, so Jesus is the name of God and the Father.

The Bible speaks of Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as different manifestations, roles, modes, titles, attributes, relationships to man, or functions of the one God, but it does not refer to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost as three persons, personalities, wills, minds, or Gods. God is the Father of us all and in a unique way the Father of the man Jesus Christ. God manifested Himself in flesh in the person of Jesus Christ, called the Son of God. God is also called the Holy Spirit, which emphasizes His activity in the daily lives and affairs of mankind.

Resting in the arms, of the Lord.
Bob

Galatians 4:6 And because ye are sons, God hath sent forth the Spirit of his Son into your hearts, crying, Abba, Father.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: .waRfaRe. on September 06, 2005, 02:07:23 AM
AMEN!


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Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Bronzesnake on September 08, 2005, 04:10:31 AM
AMEN!


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Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: Bronzesnake on September 08, 2005, 04:15:51 AM
AMEN!


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Is this a ligitimate reply or advertising?
I'm pretty sure everyone can see your warfare add at the bottom of your posts. I don't think you had to place another one at the end of your reply my friend.

What is this "warfare" all about anyway?
I can't make out what those letters spell out behind the main title. What does it say?


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: LittlePilgrim on September 10, 2005, 12:35:52 PM
I won't get involved with this debate since PR and others have answered well. However, I will say this. I don't understand how Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit can all be seperate persons, and yet one God. But I believe it. I take it on Faith. There are just some things that our human minds are too small to comprehend.


Title: Re:Jesus Christ is God.
Post by: nChrist on September 10, 2005, 03:53:35 PM
I won't get involved with this debate since PR and others have answered well. However, I will say this. I don't understand how Jesus, God the Father, and the Holy Spirit can all be seperate persons, and yet one God. But I believe it. I take it on Faith. There are just some things that our human minds are too small to comprehend.

Amen LittlePilgrim!!

There is no man that understands the Might and Majesty of ALMIGHTY GOD. I am just like you: I believe in the Holy Trinity 100% by faith and the teaching of the Holy Bible.

I simply give thanks that I know beyond any doubt that the Holy Spirit lives in my heart and I am a purchased possession of JESUS. My assurance of Salvation makes me want to sing:

Thank you LORD for Saving my soul,
Thank you LORD for making me whole.


Thanks be unto God for His unspeakable GIFT, Jesus Christ, our Lord and Saviour Forever!

Love In Christ,
Tom

2 Corinthians 5:7-9 NASB  for we walk by faith, not by sight--we are of good courage, I say, and prefer rather to be absent from the body and to be at home with the Lord. Therefore we also have as our ambition, whether at home or absent, to be pleasing to Him.