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Title: WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 25, 2005, 10:48:20 AM
All Headline News


June 25, 2005 1:35 a.m. EST

Danielle George - All Headline News Staff Reporter

Geneva, Switzerland (AHN) - The World Health Organization (WHO) releases a report on the benefits and risks associated with genetically modified (GM) foods.  According to the report GM foods can lead to better nutrition, but they also need to be monitored since they contain new genes that have yet to be introduced in the food chain.

The director of WHO's Food Safety Department, Dr. Jorgen Schlundt says, "GM foods should be examined from many standpoints, including the social and ethical, in addition to the health and environmental. If we help our Member States to do this on a national level we can avoid creating a 'genetic divide' between those countries which permit GM crops and those which do not."

The WHO says there are now 15 international legally-binding instruments and nonbinding codes of practice which address some aspect of GM organisms.  While many developed countries have established specific pre-market regulatory systems requiring the rigorous case-by-case risk assessment of GM foods prior to their release, many developing countries lack the capacity to implement a similar system.

The WHO is working with partners such as the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and the United Nations Environment Programme to help countries examine the introduction of a given GM food from all angles.

Dr. Schlundt adds, "We can hope to gain the health and nutritional improvements of GM foods when we can help countries to research how they can control and exploit the introduction of GM products for the benefit of their own people."


http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2239355444&fa=1




Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 25, 2005, 11:58:33 AM
All Headline News


June 25, 2005 1:35 a.m. EST

Danielle George - All Headline News Staff Reporter

Geneva, Switzerland (AHN) - The World Health Organization (WHO) releases a report on the benefits and risks associated with genetically modified (GM) foods.  According to the report GM foods can lead to better nutrition, but they also need to be monitored since they contain new genes that have yet to be introduced in the food chain.

The director of WHO's Food Safety Department, Dr. Jorgen Schlundt says, "GM foods should be examined from many standpoints, including the social and ethical, in addition to the health and environmental. If we help our Member States to do this on a national level we can avoid creating a 'genetic divide' between those countries which permit GM crops and those which do not."

The WHO says there are now 15 international legally-binding instruments and nonbinding codes of practice which address some aspect of GM organisms.  While many developed countries have established specific pre-market regulatory systems requiring the rigorous case-by-case risk assessment of GM foods prior to their release, many developing countries lack the capacity to implement a similar system.

The WHO is working with partners such as the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations and the United Nations Environment Programme to help countries examine the introduction of a given GM food from all angles.

Dr. Schlundt adds, "We can hope to gain the health and nutritional improvements of GM foods when we can help countries to research how they can control and exploit the introduction of GM products for the benefit of their own people."


http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2239355444&fa=1





World Health Organization.  That name gives me the willies.  What's your opinion PR on this article?

I believe God knew what He was doing when He created the food we are supposed to eat.  No way do I believe man can modify food for human consumption.  I seem to think if modified food is better than our Creator's food, then is a modified human okay, too?  I believe, eventually, all this consumption of modified food will modify the cells in our bodies, hence, humans will be different.  They will still consider themselves to be human, yet they really won't be.  Take a look at the PRION problem.  They can't be killed.  It all started with feeding cattle by-products of blood, animal remains, etc.  It was done for economics------money.  Now,  look at what we have in our beef industry, Man Cow Disease. Man just keeps on creating more problems.  Man cannot do better than God----it's just that simple.

Well, I've said elsewhere in posts that I'm really disgusted with all the evil going on in this world.  This genetically food, etc. IS evil.  It's actually creating more problems.

Well, isn't this is a good way to start a day.............ranting!

 


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 25, 2005, 01:00:37 PM

Correction above..........................I meant Mad Cow and not Man Cow.............and it was supposed to be genetically altered food and not genetically food.

                             Sorry!



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 25, 2005, 01:29:51 PM
Sorry Chris, I didn't mean to ruin your day.

I don't trust WHO. They have supported many things that I find scary. I must agree with them here, there needs to be more research done on GM foods and when (IF) they do I am sure they'll find it bad for human consumption.

I am not against natural genetic improvement of plants just this genetically engineered stuff. What I call natural genetic improvements ....  My Dad planted white corn with yellow corn and came up with a plant that is commonly called "Peaches and Cream" now. He did this many years before the  seed companies came up with it. It is simply a cross pollination of the same like kind plant.

I am not against grafting of one tree to another either. This was done even in Biblical times and was not taught against, but again it was done with like kinds.

The genetic engineering process mixes genes from unlike kinds. (i.e. a gene that spiders use for making webs strong being placed in sheep to strengthen their wool. This is messing with Gods order of things and is going to get us all into a whole lot of trouble.

It is indicated in a non-biblical ancient text (I can't remember which one now) that this sort of thing took place during Noahs time before the flood and is one of the reasons that God brought about the flood. Now I don't know how true this is as it was a non-biblical source but for some reason I find it believeable.


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 25, 2005, 02:22:57 PM
No PR, you didn't ruin my day.  No need to apologize.  I'm just very upset with all the evil going on.  I posted elsewhere that the government allowed (for 10 years now) unlabeled genetically altered food on our supermarket shelves.  Most people don't have the slightest idea that they're eating it.  It really makes me furious.  Enough so that I'm ready to go down on a corner protesting it.

I see nothing wrong with what your dad did with the corn and I see nothing wrong with tree grafting.  Even though it isn't exactly the same, we, the gentiles are even grafted into the vine.

I never heard about this thing taking place in Noah's day, or maybe something very similar.  I'm with you about finding it believable though.  They didn't have this kind of technology in those days and I'm wondering what exactly they did know way back then.

If I'm this furious about what's going on, then I can't imagine what our precious God and Savior, Jesus Christ, must feel.  It's a good thing I'm not God cause, well, you know what I'm getting at.  Oh, how much Love He has for His people!  If that doesn't prove how unworthy, how truly loveless we really are, then I guess nothing will.  I'm meaning, by loveless, we think we love others, but it's NOTHING in comparison to His Love.  My pain is nothing compared to His.  Now, maybe we know a little bit about what Jesus meant when He expected us to share in His sufferings.  He took the brunt of it all for us.  I'm just thinking about how He asked His apostles to stay awake while He prayed. They didn't. He really isn't asking much if one thinks about it from another perspective.  Whew!

It's the middle of the day but I think I need to go take some Sominex or Nytol and chill out for a bit. ;D ;D

 





Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 25, 2005, 02:47:38 PM
The texts that cover this in Noahs day, if I remember right, covered animals that show up in greek mythology. These techniques were supposedly taught to the people by the fallen angels.

I know what you mean about it making you furious.

Speaking of Nytol did you know that the main ingrediant is Diphenhydramine, a common antihistamine more commonly known today as Benadryl? Benadryl knocks me out. No wonder they put it in Nytol.



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 25, 2005, 06:38:46 PM
The texts that cover this in Noahs day, if I remember right, covered animals that show up in greek mythology. These techniques were supposedly taught to the people by the fallen angels.

I know what you mean about it making you furious.

Speaking of Nytol did you know that the main ingrediant is Diphenhydramine, a common antihistamine more commonly known today as Benadryl? Benadryl knocks me out. No wonder they put it in Nytol.



Whoa, this is the first time I've heard about this.  Greek mythology may not be mythology after all.  Hmmm.  This is something.  I can believe it.  John's visions?  Whoa!  What's coming?

I had forgotten about the ingredient in Nytol.  I vaguely remember now.  I don't take either Sominex or Nytol.  I was only kidding about taking them earlier on.  I did go lie down though. ;D  I've taken Benadryl, but it's been a very long time since I did.

Very interesting about the fallen angels giving such information to man.

Grace and peace,
cris

 


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 25, 2005, 07:09:10 PM
It is something to contemplate but I don't put a whole lot of weight to this story. There are a lot of old manuscripts of non-biblical source that are quite heretical.

I believe it is one of those mysteries that will stay a mystery at least in this lifetime.



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 25, 2005, 08:17:46 PM
It is something to contemplate but I don't put a whole lot of weight to this story. There are a lot of old manuscripts of non-biblical source that are quite heretical.

I believe it is one of those mysteries that will stay a mystery at least in this lifetime.



I know there's lots of heretical writings out there.  There isn't much else I can do other than contemplate on it.  I think there's an old saying that goes something like this, "there's some truth in everything you hear."

Personally, I think those fallen angels are all around us, still.  I really believe they manifest themselves as psychopaths sometimes.

Oh Lord God, come quickly!



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 28, 2005, 01:23:36 PM
Man!! Did YOU open a number of cans of worms here!! LOL!!

First off, the WHO is filthy. There are NOT benevolent. Their hidden agenda is just like every other org out there - MONEY!! And they have been bought by the pharmaceutical giants.

As for man in the time of Noah, don't discount their knowledge. There's a few theories circulating out there, and some are not only plausible, but aspect are being proven.

For example, one theory being proposed by creationist scientists:

The earth, pre-flood, was encased by a metalized hydrogen "bubble", which protected every living thing on the planet. The sun was filtered properly, and there was no rain. The earth was watered from below (Gen 2:6  But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground.)

This bubble provided an atmosphere of 2, (currently 1), and ensured much greater oxygen in the air. This increased pressure and oxygen would cause a wound to heal in a day. Also, the animals and plants would grow much larger.

A Japanese scientist has grown a tomato plant under these conditions in an environment he built himself. The plant grew to 16 feet high, and produced over 500 tomatoes.

Also, medical scientists have proven the increased healing capabilities in this environment. Remember stories about those oxygen chamber treatments? Now think about who would gain if they could suppress that knowledge.

So with this bubble around the planet, it didn't rain. As stated earlier, the earth was watered from below. So how did the flood occur? The theory proposed that there was a massive explosion from the earth, (volcano-type explosion), that ejected the water into the atmosphere, shattering the protective bubble.

Now, of course, all that water needs to go somewhere, and back down it went. Where did this massive explsion take place? Think of the ring of fire in the Pacific ocean.

There are other details about this theory that slip my mind at the moment, but I'm sure you can google "creation scientist" and find some sources.

As for those fallen angels that created the giants, I think reading the Book of Enoch would provide some wonderful ijnformation in that respect. Is it considered canon? Nope. But consider that the apostles and the early church fathers very much read the Book of Enoch.




Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 28, 2005, 02:05:44 PM
Forgot to comment on the gentic stuff.

Keep in mind thatt the Bible states that each reproduced after its own "kind". Kind is NOT a specific species. Kind would be better interpreted a dog or canine, horse, cattle. So, within each of these "kinds", you can have many varied breeds.

I would summarize then, that cross breeding, (animal kingdom)and cross pollinating (plant kingdom) would be totally legitimate with the "kind".

But as mention earlier, introducing insect genes into a plant, or one that I more recently found out is human cancer genes being introduced into plants, is probably going to meet with disastrous results.

And that staement by the WHO about GM leading to better nutrition is false. It is already proven that natural plants produce up to 30% more nutrients than their genetic counterparts. What the GM foods can do is produce greater harvets (supposedly). I have my doubts about that one too.

Many in the organic movement feel the GM movement, funded by large corporations, have a more devious agenda such as market domination. Think about this. Recently here in canada, a farmer was sued by Monsanto because he saved some seeds from his last year's crop, to plant this year. Monsanto found out about it because he didn't buy any seed from them in the current year. So they sued him, and actually won the lawsuit!!!! If that isn't a monoploy agenda, then I don't know what one is. But you can see that the strategy is to make farmers BUY seed every year.


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 28, 2005, 02:43:32 PM
I would like to find out more about the metalized hydrogen "bubble" project. Guess I'll have to go surfing on that one as I find it quite interesting.

The only thing I have seen with the GM being better is in corn. It does increase the yeild per acre as they are resistant to disease and insects but at what cost .....


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: JudgeNot on June 28, 2005, 03:07:26 PM
I've got a question regarding this - -
How about the "engineered" golden rice, (with Beta-carotene) for the purposes of improved yield and, more importantly (it is said) as a disease-fighting agent for poor, third world countries?  

Good or bad?


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 28, 2005, 03:35:21 PM
I've got a question regarding this - -
How about the "engineered" golden rice, (with Beta-carotene) for the purposes of improved yield and, more importantly (it is said) as a disease-fighting agent for poor, third world countries?  

Good or bad?

I said it elsewhere and I'll say it again, it's politics at fault here.  It isn't a lack of food.  Disease fighting agent for the poor, third world countries?  Well, considering, I'm surprised they aren't all dead by now.

I personally believe nothing GM (albeit within "kind" as ZakDar put it) is any good for human consumption, period.  No one knows the outcome for future generations.  I won't even eat GM corn, and I sure miss corn on the cob. Don't ask me how, (there is info on it out there in the WWW) but GM planting is contaminating the soil God gave us to take care of, not to mention cross pollination.  If we eat anything GM, we are not being good stewards of what God gave us.  Evil is creeping in oh so subtly and we're buying it. ;D   Pardon the pun!  God's food has worked for thousands of years.  I do understand that GM crops might give a higher yield, they might withstand droughts, etc., but what is that in comparison to what it might do to the cells in our bodies, our brains, and that of our children and grandchildren?  I'm against GM, totally.  Ar.............rrrrgh!

Beta-carotene alone isn't going to fight disease.  A balance of all vitamins, minerals, amino acids, etc. and hygiene is the answer here.  Adding in more beta-carotene will eventually create imbalances elsewhere.

Everyone, well, almost everyone has to have a beautiful, lush green lawn.  To get that they use chemicals which are contaminating our land and AIR.  We really need to wake up.  Rant is over, for now! ;D









Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 28, 2005, 06:22:37 PM


Hey Zak,

You're posts are really good ones.  Keep 'em coming.  I'm  really interested in what you have to say on this GM and organic foods front.

Thanks.

Grace and peace,
cris



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 29, 2005, 10:19:46 AM
I've got a question regarding this - -
How about the "engineered" golden rice, (with Beta-carotene) for the purposes of improved yield and, more importantly (it is said) as a disease-fighting agent for poor, third world countries?  

Good or bad?

Here you go. From "Nature" magazine.

Meanwhile, enough time was passing to allow observations all over the world of several generations of GM crops, many of which had to be withdrawn because they tasted weird and people wouldn't buy them (e.g. the Flaver Saver tomato, some potato varieties). Due to the increase in chemical use, scientists wondered what pesticides in general did to nutrients: apples, it turned out lost most and sometimes all their vitamin C, as reported in the prestigious Nature (April 19, 2001). And, the much touted "golden rice", which allegedly had a high vitamin A content to eradicate blindness in Third World children, turned out to be an inhibitor of Co-enzyme Q 10 synthesis (so the children could die of heart failure instead). Worse, as British geneticist Mae-Wan Ho pointed out, a person would have to eat 15 pounds of rice a day to get the amount of vitamin A required to prevent blindness, while the indigenous legumes, judged to be weeds by biotech companies and targeted for eradication with Roundup and other chemicals, contained a hundred times more vitamin A in just one regular serving in traditional meals (Nature, March 29, 2001).


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 29, 2005, 10:21:47 AM
And concerning those high crop yields and resistances, not to mention nutrition.

British scientist Dr. Christopher Williams started calculating the world-wide health effect of GM crops, after demonstrating that the genetic alteration process, combined with the increased use of chemicals they required, resulted in serious essential mineral deficiencies (zinc, magnesium, iron). About 1.5 billion people were thought to already be in "sub-clinical decline" by 2000 which would show up later in impaired brain development, he reported to the British Economic and Social Research Council. And it became well nigh impossible to suppress some 8,200 university-based studies showing that GM crops have a significantly lower yield than conventional varieties. Research in the UK and in Venezuela showed that crops genetically engineered to be immune to certain pests caused these pests to adapt and then destroy the now totally defenseless crops; this raised the specter of agricultural catastrophe (The Independent March 30, 2003). So much for feeding the world.


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 29, 2005, 10:29:10 AM
And to top it off, all about that GM corn and canola oil.

As early as 1995, the Chinese reported that stir-frying food in Canada's GM canola oil released carcinogenic chemicals (Wall
Street Journal June 7, 1995). Since then, animal experiments involving canola oil showed damage to the heart, kidneys, adrenals and thyroid gland; it is also implicated in the destruction of the myelin sheath protecting nerves (as in Multiple sclerosis). Remember that the next time you walk down the supermarket aisles carrying oils, maybe you best consider virgin olive oil instead. When the biotech wizards came up with the bright idea in November 2002 of using human colon cancer genes to speed up crop growth, medical scientists everywhere woke up and the European parliament said no thanks.

In late 2003 Nature Biotechnology (vol. 22/2) reported that controlled experiments with humans had shown that GM corn passes through the human gut undigested, thereby providing no nutrition at all. Human digestive enzymes don't know what to do with those figments of human imagination coming down the pike. Even more refined research (Environmental Health Perspectives January 29th 2004) shows just exactly how the hormone-disrupting pesticides so liberally used on GMOs disrupt the chemical signaling in the body such as to interfere with normal gene activity.


I have read another study which is very critical of all those nice clean looking oils yo can buy. for the sake of safety, only these oils should be used in cooking: olive oil, coconut oil (my favorite), sesame oil, and flax oil. Apparently those others oils are being seriously looked at as a cause of the epidemic of diabetes now plagueing the USA.

Flax and cocnut oil are very expensive, but did you know, (when I was growing up), that they used to be cheap econimcal mainstays in the oils section? Flax oil actually died in the 50s thanx to Crisco no less. Search for that story if you care, it'll boggle your mind, (but open your eyes).



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 29, 2005, 10:34:24 AM
And since the WHO was brought up, and that is an organization that wants EVEYBODY vaccinated, I put forth this Web site for those who do not know any better where vaccines are concered.

http://goodlight.net/nyvic/health/myth/default.htm


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 29, 2005, 06:58:45 PM
Here's some more information on vaccinations including the military ones, and help if one is ill.

http://www.vaclib.org/


Another one:

Http://www.vaccinationnews.com/Opening.htm


ZakDar,

Excellent posts. Thanks.  It just makes me so sad to see what's happening.  Some people hop on the bandwagon when they read about it, and others just ignore it.........probably because it's so overwhelming. The coconut and flax oil you spoke about need to be organic, too.

Too bad we live so far away from one another, because I'm sure if we ever met face to face, we could talk endlessly about all of this "stuff". ;) ;D  You're into the bodily effects of GM food much more than I am though.

Are you in to the effects on the body from mold infested homes, also?  It's rampant nowadays and it's left me wondering why so.  This wasn't taking place years ago and now it is.  It just has to be something in our atmosphere that wasn't there before.

IMO, not only is the middle class being wiped out, we're changing the cells in our bodies.  It will show up, eventually.  Generation after generation of eating this "food"? is going to create non-humans.  It's awful being aware of what's happening.  It's awful being in a minority.  Keeping our minds fixed on Jesus is the only way.

Oh Lord God, come quickly.

Grace and peace,
cris







Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 29, 2005, 07:32:52 PM
Cris, Thanks for those links especially those on the Military Vacs.

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not only is the middle class being wiped out, we're changing the cells in our bodies.

Doesn't the poor fall into this category also?

I have been looking on the net trying to find out more information about that Japanese Scientist that you mentioned growing the tomatoes in a special environment and haven't been able to find anything. I sure would like to get some more info on it if you have any handy.



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 29, 2005, 08:04:54 PM
Cris, Thanks for those links especially those on the Military Vacs.

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not only is the middle class being wiped out, we're changing the cells in our bodies.

Doesn't the poor fall into this category also?

I have been looking on the net trying to find out more information about that Japanese Scientist that you mentioned growing the tomatoes in a special environment and haven't been able to find anything. I sure would like to get some more info on it if you have any handy.



PR,

It was Zak that talked about the Japanese scientist.  I will check to see if I can come up with something.  I'd like to know about this also.  Maybe if he comes back on the board today, he can give us a link or point us in that direction.

Yes, the poor fit into this category, IMO.  The poor (as the poor because of a lack of money) have always been experimented on.  I think it's been without their knowledge.  Then, sometimes you will see an ad in the paper that such and such hospital is looking for volunteers for a certain experimental drug.  Tell me, do ya think anyone educated, and with money, would ever volunteer themselves for something like that?  I don't.  I'm not rich but I'm ON to what's going on out there. I stay away from mainstream medicine as much as I can.  In the one article on childhood vaccinations, the writer warned about what could happen if one brought this up with the pediatrician.  I've been kind of brave in the past because I did bring up some things (not vaccinations) and guess what, they KNOW more than I do.  Leave it up to them.  Yea, right.  I'm not going to go into detail but I just stopped going to any Doc other than one that's an M.D. in alternative medicine.  Problem with them is that one has to pay upfront and file their own claims. They usually aren't affiliated with a hospital so one still has to have a mainstream Doc in case one has need of a hospital.  It can be problematic, especailly if one doesn't have the money.  Told ya, it's going to be the rich and the poor.  No middle class.  We're in the throes of it now.

Oh Lord God, come back quickly.  Rescue Your people from the snare and wiles of the enemy.

Grace and peace,
cris



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 29, 2005, 08:40:42 PM
oops sorry about that I meant to address that part to Zak.

I know what you mean about the Docs/Hospitals.

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Tell me, do ya think anyone educated, and with money, would ever volunteer themselves for something like that?
  Only if they had a fatal disease and it was their last resort.  Not me, though. I've been a guinea pig long enough.





Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 29, 2005, 09:14:49 PM
oops sorry about that I meant to address that part to Zak.

I know what you mean about the Docs/Hospitals.

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Tell me, do ya think anyone educated, and with money, would ever volunteer themselves for something like that?
  Only if they had a fatal disease and it was their last resort.  Not me, though. I've been a guinea pig long enough.



Here's one.

http://www.discourseanddisclosure.ca/frontPage/tomato.htm

The Japanese scientist is named Dr.  Kei Mori.

More links.

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/exper/exper.htm
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/k75.htm


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 29, 2005, 09:16:33 PM
oops sorry about that I meant to address that part to Zak.

I know what you mean about the Docs/Hospitals.

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Tell me, do ya think anyone educated, and with money, would ever volunteer themselves for something like that?
  Only if they had a fatal disease and it was their last resort.  Not me, though. I've been a guinea pig long enough.





I've been out there on the net and google trying to find that information on the tomato plant experiment and can't find anything.  I've been out there since I last posted, a bit over an hour.  I've typed in everything I can think of.  It must be part of another article.


Where R U Zak?  We need help. ;D

       
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Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 29, 2005, 09:33:52 PM
oops sorry about that I meant to address that part to Zak.

I know what you mean about the Docs/Hospitals.

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Tell me, do ya think anyone educated, and with money, would ever volunteer themselves for something like that?
  Only if they had a fatal disease and it was their last resort.  Not me, though. I've been a guinea pig long enough.



Here's one.

http://www.discourseanddisclosure.ca/frontPage/tomato.htm

The Japanese scientist is named Dr.  Kei Mori.

More links.

http://www.genesispark.org/genpark/exper/exper.htm
http://www.biblestudymanuals.net/k75.htm


Thanks Zak.  You must have been typing away as I was calling ya. ;) :)

Grace and peace,
cris






Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 29, 2005, 09:49:29 PM
I'll leave you with another intriguing thought. If under the conditions described, plants grow so quickly and enormously, what kind of animal do you think God would have created to control such plant life?

I would imagine they would have to have huge appetites, and be very large. Kind of like a living lawn mower. Know of such a creature? Ever hear of a brontosaurus?


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: Soldier4Christ on June 29, 2005, 10:12:04 PM
Thanks Zak. I have to admit it does make a lot of sense.



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on June 29, 2005, 10:12:33 PM
I'll leave you with another intriguing thought. If under the conditions described, plants grow so quickly and enormously, what kind of animal do you think God would have created to control such plant life?

I would imagine they would have to have huge appetites, and be very large. Kind of like a living lawn mower. Know of such a creature? Ever hear of a brontosaurus?

Intriguing!

"Kind of like a living lawnmower" ;D.  I can just visualize them.  I'm not sure I would have wanted to live back in those days. ;D

I'm wondering how tall "normal" man was, as opposed to the giants who roamed the earth?  

I've listened to Dr. Carl Baugh on TV but not recently.  He has a program on TBN.

Interesting articles.  I'll go back and read the last one again as I breezed thru, fast.  I think I've heard most of what the article talked about on Baugh's program.  I'll be interested to hear about his project when it's completed.  Should be interesting.

Grace and peace,
cris



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 30, 2005, 10:24:13 AM
"You're into the bodily effects of GM food much more than I am though."

Believe me it wasn't by choice. Was diagnosed with type II diabetes a couple of years ago, and I've been researching ever since. I found out that the food is the problem, and the reason there's such an epidemic of diabetes in North America.

But I started here:

http://www.healingmatters.com/
(For those with diabetes, this fellow claims a cure)

God gave me a couple of words regarding this:

Gen 1:29  And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Eze 4:9  Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.

I took this to mean that the Lord was leading me to go vegetarian, or largely increase the plant-based foods in my diet.

From there I've been doing considerable research into food, and of course I came across organic foods. In Canada, Loblaws is THE major grocery store, and they have dedicated a considerable amount to organic food. They also distribute a local free magazine called Vitality (http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/) that had a number of articles on GM foods.


Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on June 30, 2005, 11:27:52 AM
I'd like to throw out onr more alert. This is for those of you who think soy is a wonderful health food.
This site presents both sided of the argument and is balanced. But you know the old saying, "Where there's smoke, there's fire".


http://www.shirleys-wellness-cafe.com/soy.htm



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on July 06, 2005, 05:31:24 PM
"You're into the bodily effects of GM food much more than I am though."

Believe me it wasn't by choice. Was diagnosed with type II diabetes a couple of years ago, and I've been researching ever since. I found out that the food is the problem, and the reason there's such an epidemic of diabetes in North America.

But I started here:

http://www.healingmatters.com/
(For those with diabetes, this fellow claims a cure)

God gave me a couple of words regarding this:

Gen 1:29  And God said, Behold, I have given you every herb bearing seed, which is upon the face of all the earth, and every tree, in the which is the fruit of a tree yielding seed; to you it shall be for meat.

Eze 4:9  Take thou also unto thee wheat, and barley, and beans, and lentiles, and millet, and fitches, and put them in one vessel, and make thee bread thereof, according to the number of the days that thou shalt lie upon thy side, three hundred and ninety days shalt thou eat thereof.

I took this to mean that the Lord was leading me to go vegetarian, or largely increase the plant-based foods in my diet.

From there I've been doing considerable research into food, and of course I came across organic foods. In Canada, Loblaws is THE major grocery store, and they have dedicated a considerable amount to organic food. They also distribute a local free magazine called Vitality (http://www.vitalitymagazine.com/) that had a number of articles on GM foods.

Zak,

Thanks for the links.  How are you doing with the diabetes problem since making some changes?  

When you posted I didn't have a chance to reply but I did go to your "Shirley's" link (from your other post).  That's a fabulous site.  I enjoyed the article on bentonite clay.  Very interesting.    

In my heart of hearts, I just know God is leading you in the right direction.  Keep on keepin' on, Zak.  I am in agreement with you 100% that most of our problems are coming from how we eat and what we eat.  I'm sure you know this already,  but in case you don't, here goes.  Once we cook our food there are no digestive enzyme's left to speak of, so we MUST supplement with enzymes.  Eating raw organic foods is what's best for us, though.  In another way it's really great too........no more pots and pans to scrub. ;D  No more cookin' dinner!  Yeah!  Unfortunately, I like (natural, of course) meat, and am not primitive enough to eat it raw.  So, I will still have at least 1 pan or grill to clean.

Never believed the soy story so never got on that bandwagon.  I'm glad I didn't.  It was brought to my attention that Crisco vegetable shortening has soy in it.  I wonder if it contained soy when it was first introduced.  I checked and couldn't find anything on it.  My mother used Crisco when I was growing up.

The recipe above........is that for Ezekiel bread?  I think some stores sell it, so one doesn't have to make it from scratch.  I didn't check, but there probably are recipes for it on the internet.  It's supposed to have everything in it to sustain health.  Anyway, that's what I heard.

Grace and peace,
cris








Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on July 06, 2005, 08:16:06 PM
Thanks for the links.  How are you doing with the diabetes problem since making some changes?

Funny you should ask. As you mention below about the enzymes in raw organics, that's exactly what I've been doing lately. I can actually control the glucose levels with food when I eat this way. And I'm losing a ton of weight, ( a very GOOD thing!)

Problem is, ya needs some protein sometime. And I've found a beauty - it's a grain from South America called quinoa (pronounced keen-wa). There are two foods on the planet that carry the complete protein complex - quinoa and milk, and milk ain't good for ya after yer about 4 years old. Your body can't digest it properly.

You pretty much cook and eat this grain just like rice. So Istir fry up some broccoli (best food on the planet IMO), garlic onions and mushrooms, (cremini or gotcha2ake), and you got a powerfully nutritious dinner.

Also, studies have shown 3rd world folks who get their protein from veggie sources like legumes (kidney beans, navy beans, romano beans, etc.), are WAAAAAAAYYYY healthier than us.

I believe very much what Thomas Smith said about fats in his site. I use strictly olive oil, (COLD PRESSED ONLY!), and coconut oil. How cocnut oil got phased out of North America is beyond me. Excellently flavoured oil, and lotsa omegas. Use this to offset the enormous amount of omega 3s in flax seeds to maintain balance.

In my heart of hearts, I just know God is leading you in the right direction.

Yeah, but the problem is I listened so late. If I had my ears on properly I woulda been doing this 15 years ago and wouldn't have this problem now.

The disease is doing its dirty work and ravaging body systems slowly but surely. But that doesn't phase me because I know by the stripes of Jesus I HAVE BEEN healed, (1 Pe. 2:24).

He forgives ALL my iniquities, and heals ALL my diseases, (Ps 103:3).
He IS the Lord who healeth me, (Ex. 15:26).
He WILL take sickness away from the midst of me, (Ex. 23:25).
He sent his WORD and healed me, and delivered me from my destructions, (Psalm 107:20).
His WORD will not return unto Him void, but will accomplish that whereunto He sent it, (Isa 55:11).
I am redeemed from the curse of the law, (Gal 3:13), therefore I am redeemed from all sickness and disease both named and not named in the book of the law, (Deut. 28).

I speak in faith that, "I AM HEALED", (Mark 11:23-25), because the Word of God says I am healed. And since we know that God's Word is truth, (Joh. 17:17), then I know the TRUTH will change the FACT that exists in my body.

Hallelujah!!!! I done typed myself happy!!!! LOL!!

Never believed the soy story so never got on that bandwagon.

My personal opinion on soy is somewhere in between. Soy definitely needs a process to remove the poisons to be edible. I prefer the natural fermenting method the Chinese use because I hold EVERYTHING suspect that has been altered by man. I do NOT trust their so-called modern processing methods of soy.

The recipe above........is that for Ezekiel bread?

Yes indeed that's the stuff. But I worked in the baking business for 10 years, so enjoy much more making my own. I use 100% whole wheat or spelt, millet, flax seeds (ground), and quinoa. some bigtime nutrition in this bread.

A word of advice for all out there - when you eat white bread, or anything made with white flour, your body sees that as pure glucose - or turns it all into glucose. And note that there's very little nutritional value in white flour.

My blessing to you all:

Num 6:24  The LORD bless thee, and keep thee:
Num 6:25  The LORD make his face shine upon thee, and be gracious unto thee:
Num 6:26  The LORD lift up his countenance upon thee, and give thee peace.



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on July 10, 2005, 07:41:50 PM

Hi Zak,

I'm so happy to hear about your ability to control the glucose levels with the raw food enzymes and that you're losing weight ta boot!  Yey!

I've heard of quinoa but have never eaten it.  I might try it one of these days.  I'm not a food lover, unfortunately.  Have always been a picky eater and I eat to stay alive, mostly.  There are a few things I love, however, but I definitely wouldn't say they were the best foods for one.  I like cooked broccoli better than raw but I like raw cauliflower and dislike it cooked.  I won't bore you with anymore details of my diet. ;D

Reference the study of the 3rd world folks being way healthier than us, well, I suppose it might be true but I like to get my protein from meat. ;D  Love good natural prime rib with organic mashed potatoes (mashed with a manual masher, cause if ya use an electric beater on em taters, it breaks the cell wall).  Well, that's what a chef said anyway.  Actually, the potatoes taste much better mashed that way, so I believe the chef.  Never would have believed it if I hadn't tried it myself.

Coconut oil.........well, from what I heard movie popcorn started it all.  Studies showed that this oil was inferior and could cause a plethora of problems.  The problem is that the studies were flawed and they weren't using the "good" coconut oil.  Type in Bruce Fife in your search window.  He gives the information on what happened.

I tried taking flax oil supplements many years ago and at the end of one month developed a pain at my back waist.  I stopped taking the oil and the pain went away.  I tried it sometime later and the same thing happened.  I imbalanced my omega 3's and 6's per testing, so I permanently gave up flax.

Yesterday, I developed some kind of an allergy.  One week ago I began taking cod liver oil caps and a fiber supplement.  I'm not sure if it's one of these, mold spores in the house or something else.  It's miserable, runny nose, 1 runny eye, other one not affected ;D for some reason, pressured sinus' and gums.  Sure would like to know what's causing this.  I've never had a reaction quite like this and now is definitely not the time for this to happen. ::)

Hey, I'm glad you know Jesus and glad you typed yourself happy. ;)

Don't sell yourself short about not listening 15 years ago.  Thank God, you had the presence of mind to search out these things for yourself 'cause the medical establishment would recommend more that food balancing. ;)

You mentioned on another thread about being burned alive.  Well, I'll tell you that sent pain through me.  What in the world happened?  Are you OK now?

Mark 11:23-25 Oh yeah.  The truth WILL change the fact that exists in your body.  Hallelujah!

I just typed myself silly!!! ;) ;D

Grace and peace,
cris





Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on July 10, 2005, 08:38:29 PM
Being burned alive is no fun as you can imagine. I was 2 and a half years old, and was enticed by that pretty red glow on the stove. And being in flannel pygamas, well, you can guess what happened next.

The entire right side of my torso is all burn scars. And that pain is unforgettable. This incident is the first cognizant memory I carry of my life.



Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: cris on July 10, 2005, 09:27:14 PM
Being burned alive is no fun as you can imagine. I was 2 and a half years old, and was enticed by that pretty red glow on the stove. And being in flannel pygamas, well, you can guess what happened next.

The entire right side of my torso is all burn scars. And that pain is unforgettable. This incident is the first cognizant memory I carry of my life.



I'm so very sorry Zak.  I have tears in my eyes.  I wish I could do something, but I can't, except to say it makes me very sad to know a child is harmed in any way. It really tears me apart.  I hope you are doing OK with the scars.  I hope they still aren't causing you problems in any way.  That's a terrible memory and it's terrible for me to visualize it, too.

Grace and peace,
cris




Title: Re:WHO: Genetically Modified Foods Need Safety Assessments
Post by: ZakDar on July 11, 2005, 08:15:14 AM
Being burned alive is no fun as you can imagine. I was 2 and a half years old, and was enticed by that pretty red glow on the stove. And being in flannel pygamas, well, you can guess what happened next.

The entire right side of my torso is all burn scars. And that pain is unforgettable. This incident is the first cognizant memory I carry of my life.



I'm so very sorry Zak.  I have tears in my eyes.  I wish I could do something, but I can't, except to say it makes me very sad to know a child is harmed in any way. It really tears me apart.  I hope you are doing OK with the scars.  I hope they still aren't causing you problems in any way.  That's a terrible memory and it's terrible for me to visualize it, too.

Grace and peace,
cris


Hey now, don't feel bad. I AM healed!!