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I'm curious about this board's reaction to this Crystal Cathedral production.

I'm not quite sure how to respond.  We have free will.  If it draws people to God, then, so be it.  As a whole, I think Christians are far too judgmental. It seems as if there will always be disagreements.  God knows the motive in their heart.

 

This said it all, compromise.

Mat 6:24  No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon.

Pastor Roger said: BINGO!
It is catering to the "One World Church" theme – which I find disgusting considering it comes from a famous worship center which is supposedly evangelical Christian.  

It’s scary…  A “mega” church making a “mega” gaffe.  But… is it a gaffe or an invasion?  Scary…

I'll first have to say that I didn't know what the Crystal Cathedral was. I did read the article, and I find the story to be sickening. Such massive luxury and the spending of so much money to contradict God's Word seems obscene to me. I can't believe that God's children would want a penny of their offerings to be used in this manner. So, I can't understand it at all.

Everything I want or need to know about Creation is in Genesis. I know the CREATOR also, so that's more than enough for me. I was recently called an extremist nut for this belief, but I'll be proud to wear this label.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 118:14  The LORD is my strength and song, and is become my salvation.

 There are Christians who believe in evolution!!
If you can't believe God's account of creation, then how can you believe any of it?

 God's Word is 100% accurate and True.

Scientists who “have all the answers” have shoved evolution down our throats for so many years, that some of us feel as though we must compromise in order to legitimize God.

God doesn't need to be legitimized!

I don't know anything about this church. What is their doctrine?

bluelake

Bluelake,

Go to:
http://www.crystalcathedral.org/misc/contact_crystal.html

You could also probably just type in your search window, "Crystal Cathedral".

Grace and peace,
cris

The Crystal Cathedral has always looked too rich in an impoverished world searching for hope. They have always seemed too showbizzy. Physical, not spiritual. Will such bring folks to the gift that Christ gives?

The production from the pictures shown looks very sensuous/worldly and perhaps could take one's spirit where it should not be.

Just give me Christ preached on the hillside.

ollie

Compromise!!

An interesting word, but when it comes to the word of God,
and christianity, there can be no compromise!  

John 1:1 in the beginning was the word and the word was
with God and the word was God. the same was in the
beginning with God, by him were all things made and without
him was not anything made that was made.

God said it, that settles it. end of discussion

ravenloche

Ollie said: Amen

ravenloche said: Amen

A quote that a good friend of mine uses quite frequently .... God is not in Heaven saying "let's make a deal" He is in heaven saying "THIS IS THE DEAL!!!"


Mat 7:13  Enter ye in at the strait gate: for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction, and many there be which go in thereat:
Mat 7:14  Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
Mat 7:15  Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
Mat 7:16  Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
Mat 7:17  Even so every good tree bringeth forth good fruit; but a corrupt tree bringeth forth evil fruit.
Mat 7:18  A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.
Mat 7:19  Every tree that bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.
Mat 7:20  Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
Mat 7:21  Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
Mat 7:22  Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
Mat 7:23  And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

How on Earth can it be 'compromise'?! The very foundation of scientific study is the belief that we live in an ordered universe that has been created by the Creator. There is absolutely no conflict between Theology and Science. The conflict comes because of the finite limitations of human creatures who struggle to reconcile different facets of the one Infinite Truth (Jn.14:6).

That being said I don't consider Robert Schuller to be a Christian anyway: http://www.apologeticsindex.com./s09.html (http://www.apologeticsindex.com./s09.html)

Simonline.

There is a big difference between true science and what is considered to be science today.

1Ti 6:20  O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1Ti 6:21  Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.

2Tim.2:15; Rev.22:18-19

Simonline.

Evolution? How can one not believe in evolution. God gave us free will man sinned was enveloped in sin. Man evolved and fell away from the grace of God. Therefore requiring a savior which came to us in Jesus Christ. Evolving into believers seems to be more difficult a proposition, but through faith we shall overcome. Believe and be made new

I find all this truly a useless effort on the part of everyone. I mean, whether you subscribe to the 6 day or intelligent design camp, it's totally irreleveant. As long as you don't subscribe to the evolutionists theory.

The only thing that matter is whether or not you made Jesus your Lord and Saviour. For there is no other name given by which we must saved. All other babblings are irrelevant to this truth.

So I judge not the Schullers, for they will be judged by the Master. Just as I will be Judged also, by the Master.

We don't need lavish theater productions.  We need plain unvarnished preaching of the Gospel.  Jesus died to pay for our sins.  We must repent of our sin and accept Him as our Lord and Savior!

AMEN!

I'm new here but I must disagree with this statement. If you can say that God couldn't have created the world in six days then your saying that God has limits in what He can do. Which is saying that God is not all powerful. If God couldn't create everything in six days then maybe Jesus wasn't really fully God and fully man because that might be beyond Gods capabilities. God could have created everything with one thought in one split second, but He chose not to.
Saying that it is ok to question Gods truth in the Bible can then lead to questioning other Truths found in His word.
John says the Word was God, we all agree that the Word is Truth, so to say that the Word has flaws is likesaying Christ had flaws, he said "I am the way, the truth and the life".

Why? Evolution is mans theory. Creation is the work of God, not man.

Resting in the hands, of Jesus.
Bob

1 Corinthians 4:14 I write not these things to shame you, but as my beloved sons I warn you.

I know evolution is mans theory and I strongly disagree with i. I don't know what your trying to say. My point was, one shouldn't claim that God could not have created in six days.

Hi rodimus,

Welcome to the forum.

Knowing Dreamweaver as I do I am sure that he was simply agreeing with you by adding to what you said.

Acutally I misread, the post, by rodimus. Sorry about that brother. :-[

Resting in the hands, of Jesus.
Bob

Psalm 30:1 I will extol thee, O LORD; for thou hast lifted me up, and hast not made my foes to rejoice over me.