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If a close friend of yours, who was not a christian asked you this question:
     "If God is the creator of everything in the universe, and God supposedly did not create homosexuality, then why did he make men and men or women and women attracted to each other?"
What would you say?

One of my friends asked me a question very similar to this, and after much thought I came up with my own answers, I would love to know anyone else's answers too.
Thanks! :)

God created us with free will. We chose the things we want to get involved with. Homosexuality is a chioce, a life style.
God does not create us with something which will cause us to lose our eternal souls.

Gen 1:27
So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:31
And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, [it was] very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

Please note that God said that everything He made was good.

Lev 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood [shall be] upon them.

Note that God says that this is an abomination, which is the exact opposite of good.

Rom 1:19
Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed [it] unto them.
Rom 1:20
For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, [even] his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
Rom 1:21
Because that, when they knew God, they glorified [him] not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened.
Rom 1:22
Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,
Rom 1:23
And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things.
Rom 1:24
Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves:
Rom 1:25
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
Rom 1:26
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
Rom 1:27
And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
Rom 1:28
And even as they did not like to retain God in [their] knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;

Please note throught he bolded and underlined parts, that God is simply allowing them to do what they want to do anyway, and He is not striving with them or trying to convince them otherwise.  They choose to be attracted to each other, and choose to give themselves up to that attraction and lust, just as Bronze explained.

God made men to be attracted to women, and women to be attracted to men....that was good (and is).  

Also, please note that this was before the "fall", too.


Sex sure has gotten mankind into a heap of trouble, hasn't it?


Am curious...........just for a moment, consider what this world might be like if sex were not pleasurable, and was used for pro-creation only?

Comments?

God created us in His image and likeness and we WERE destined to commune with Him forever, that is, until the "fall".  Sin causes us to separate from God.  Sin caused a different mindset in man.  We do not have the mindset we were originally created with, because of sin.  Sin perverted all the "good" He created.





 

I feel the emotions the Lord created in us were for man and woman, for the purpose of them joining,, and as like everything the Lord has created the deviled has found some way to defile it thus we have homosexuality.  A deviation from the norm, from the good.  The Lord told his disciples in the beginning that he would not be speaking with them long,  because the ruler of this world cometh.  He has control of everything here,  including some folks.   And you are so right about the Lord giving us free will...........and their are choices we have to make.......and your friends choice I regret to say will have devastating consequences.

 True...to a point. God did create Adam and Eve with free will, and even though they walked in the very presence of God, they still chose to sin.

Eve was deceived.  Adam willingly sinned.

BTW.........supposedly there's a book being published (?) that talks about the two trees in the "Garden".  We all believe God planted every tree and herb of the field, and He saw they were good.  Here comes the clincher.......the book supposedly talks about Satan sneaking in and planting the "tree of good and evil."  Possibly, this is why God told Adam and Eve not to eat of it.  Interesting thought!!





   

God did not "create" homosexuality, or "make" a person to
be homosexual. As was stated earlier we were made with a
free choice. Notice that God created Adam and Eve, not
Adam and Steve!

ravenloche

Eve was deceived.  Adam willingly sinned. ???
Eve was told at the same time that God told Adam, not to eat of that tree. Eve went to the tree in the first place, even though God had warned her about it. She was deceived, yes, but all sin begins with deceit from satan influence.

Adam and Eve were both equally guilty, but look what God said to Eve.

 Gen 3:13 And the LORD God said unto the woman, What [is] this [that] thou hast done? And the woman said, The serpent beguiled me, and I did eat.  


 Gen 3:14 And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou [art] cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:  


 Gen 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.  


 Gen 3:16 Unto the woman he said, I will greatly multiply thy sorrow and thy conception; in sorrow thou shalt bring forth children; and thy desire [shall be] to thy husband, and he shall rule over thee.  

 Gen 3:17 And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed [is] the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat [of] it all the days of thy life;

 God actually caused the woman to physically suffer because of her sin.

 When God judges Adam, he doesn't cause him any immediate physical consequence. He curses the ground which Adam will from that moment on have to sweat and work in order to eat and live.

 Both Adam and eve become mortal, and as God warned, they would both die. Eve actually sinned before she even took a bite of the forbiden fruit. By listening to the serpent, who told her God was a liar, that she would not die as a result of eating the fruit. So Eve did not believe God, she chose to believe satan instead. That is a sin.

While that is an interesting theory it is not Biblical.

Gen 2:9  And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil.

Bronze,

Gen:2:15-18  

verse 17 says (to Adam only, as Eve is not yet on the scene) But from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat from it, you shall surely die.
Then verse 18 God decides that it isn't good for Adam to be alone.


Are you getting my IM's?

Grace and peace,
cris

PR,

Yes, you are correct.  It doesn't sound biblical to me either.  Maybe the book will shed more on this theory.  We'll have to wait and see.

Grace and peace,
cris

While this is true it is also true that Eve knew of Gods commandment on the tree.

Gen 3:2  And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:
Gen 3:3  But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

PR,

You're right again.  I have a question though.  If Eve's eyes weren't opened to begin with, then how is it she SAW the tree was good for food before she even ate it?


Grace and peace,
cris

Obviously, Adam did tell Eve of God's command.  That's what I was taught.

Hey, if you and your wife were the only two people on earth, and all of a sudden a serpent starts talking to you, would you just stand there and hold a conversation with IT?  I think I'd run  r e a l  fast.  Then again, I'm not Adam or Eve, and wasn't in the Garden.

Grace and peace,
cris

This is what is meant by she was deceived. Satan convinced her that she would not die by eating this fruit.

She willingly chose to believe Satan instead of God.


Gen 3:4  And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die:
Gen 3:5  For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, knowing good and evil.
Gen 3:6  And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.



However he did it we are not clearly told but Satan convinced her somehow. (Just guessing here) Perhaps he ate of it in front of her to prove that it would not kill her??

 

Yep, there are pieces missing.  We are left imagining what might have happened.  I've had lots of thoughts on what could have been the case, but I'll spare you, for now anyway. ;D  It's just interesting to hear about how others think...................some people just don't, and some might think too much. ;D  It isn't pertinent(sp?) to our salvation but, nevertheless, an interesting topic.

Grace and peace,
cris



 

The pertinent part is the part that is told to us in the Bible.

I responded to three or four of your PM's to me, you obviously didn't get them.

Obviously!


Grace and peace,
cris

Noone is born homosexual.  It is not genetic.  For two hundred years psychiatrists have agreed that it is due to a number of factors during the developmental years, such as amount of interaction with the same sex parent.  If it were genetic it would either be a dominant or recessive gene.  If you pick up a genetics textbook anywhere you can study about selection against a recessive or dominant trait.  If it were dominant there would be no homosexuality; if it were recessive it would be as common as albinism, or 1 in 5,000  instead of 1 in 20.

thats very true. God did not make it as a gene or anything like that. What my friend meant was why are those things here on earth if God didn't create it. I do not practice or believe in homosexuality. I believe it is another trap that Satan trys to get us caught in. Gods perfect law was for a man and a woman to be united as one, adam and eve not "adam and steve". lol
But of course satan hates God's perfect law and his will, so he corrupts it and messes it up, he makes us believe that a man and a man or woman and a woman is ok- when really, its not.

If someone is an actual 100% pure homosexual who has no feelings at all and never has for the opposite sex, I don't think it was really a choice of theirs to make.  I think that is the case in a small percentage of situations though.   Wanting to know why it exists if God did not make it is a very simple question with a very simple answer, you have probably been trying too hard.  I find the best way to elevate the level of the conversation from the elementary level up to one that can actually be engaged in and not just puzzled over is the selective use of thought provoking questions.   Such as, Why is there gasoline if God didn't make it?  Why are there computers?  The answer is simple enough, God gave us free will to create many things, good and bad.

We may not understand the origens of the "impulse" to act in a homosexual nature, but is that reason to act on the impulse? we have clear instruction to the contrary. "if your right hand causes you to sin........." (forgive my lack of verse memorization). We are not to act on impulse that we know and can see is contrary to Gods law.

Nobody is born homosexual and nobody is created that way.  We all have free will and all can be tricked by satan.  God does not create someone to do something he dispises.

I'm sorry but you really are in correct there I have to say. In the case of one recessive gene the odds on expression are 3:1 (dominant : recessive), the odds for characteristics requiring two recessive genes are 15:1 (9:3:3:1 (DD, DR, RD, RR)) . for charecteristics requiring the expression of more than two recessive genes the odds go up in an exponetial manner

I am grieved by the number of children and young adults who are bullied and taunted by namecalling of "homo", "freak", "lesbian" in schools.  Some children look different or have different mannerisms such as a male having a higher pitched voice, more effeminate gestures, different interests than other males.  This is no reason for someone to be bullied or to think they must be "gay".  

Often people with mild autism come across as looking or acting differently.  I know one young woman who has Asperger's Syndrome, a type of high functioning autism.  She was constantly called lesbian and gay during her school years because she was not interested and could not afford fashionable clothing.  She did not have too much interest in flirting with boys either.  Even as she pursued higher education she was constantly being asked if she was gay either as an insult or by sexual predators.   There was constant pressure with men she dated to "prove" she wasn't gay by participating in unwanted sexual contact.  She actually started to wonder if she was gay because she was constantly being told she must be.  Only she was not gay.

This is the kind of pressure and abuse our youth are going through these days.  Children and young adults should not be bullied, especially by being labelled as homosexual because they are different.  

I agree, M. People can be cruel. I know of a young lady that is educationally handicapped. A very smart young lady in all other aspects. She has what is known as a "lazy eye" where the eyelid droops. Because of these things many people teased her, calling her retard as well as many other things. She was verbally abused sexually also. She dressed in baggy blue jeans and sweat shirts even in the middle of a hot summer as a result. Some of this mistreatment was received from kids at church.

Thank God there was a few caring adults around her. Today she is happily married and the mother of a beautiful, sweet young daughter. She works daily with mentally, educationally and physically handicapped children trying to bring them to the Lord.

This is part of our many responsibilities as Christians to try to change. To bring these children to Jesus. To stop this type of abuse.

God did not create "homosexuality". Man in his ungodly way of living seperate from God creates it. He does this in the ugly environments he molds his children.
Children are programed through this lack of God influence that produces the love and security from both male and female parents that a child needs.
It is so strongly programed into children that as becoming adults they go searching for the love and security they missed from one parent or the other.
Eventually it becomes a full blown sexual attarction that seems very difficult for them to turn away from.

ollie

Hi you all,

I figured i'd drop my two cents in here in a moment. i want to add to this discussion the following view to offer another way of looking at the fact that God did not create homosexuality. God created man and woman, to become one. It was beautiful in the sight of the Almighty, however man has made it into an abomination. Therefore as Romans 1:24 -26 basically says, He gave them up to their reprobate minds. Why? Because they willingly chose to disobey God. Now i'm sure your probably thinking "what does this have to do with the discussion" Here's my thinking, If God had created homosexuality, don't you think it would be ok? There is NOWHERE in the Scriptures that say God created homosexuality. That's like saying God created sin. Actually it's the same concept. Some say that homosexuality is genetic. I just got lamblasted by a guy the other night who was a christian and wanted my view on the issue. My view is that homosexuality is a choice...not genetic. Because why would God create something contrary to what He has decreed. That would make Him out to be a liar. Which isn't true. He decided that he then wanted to attack my personal calling when someone asked was i going to be a preacher. I replied "yes" then he proceeded with "I don't believe you" It's sad taht there are those who would sugarcoat and compromise the Word. I pray that there aren't any here. I'll add this note. There are even christians who believe homosexuality is ok. However, Scripture says differently. IT'S WRONG. God didn't create the wrong in the world. God didn't create the evil in the world. God most certainly didn't create homosexuality. Which is a complete contradiction to a man and a WOMAN being joined as one in marriage. Also, 'gay' marriage is a contradiction in terms because it is the complete opposite of that which God has decreed marriage to be. It is an abomination. Now i'm not bashing homosexuals or spreading hatred as so many choose to think now adays. I'm simply doing my duty as a watchman to warn others. See if my view lines up with Scripture. If so, where's the problem? If not, tell me the problem. I pray that those who respond to this will prayerfully consider their responses because this is a touchy subject for many and it can be a stumbling block to those who are new to what the Word says. I pray you all have a great day and God Bless.

Joshua

P.S. Sorry to the admins and the rest of the regulars here. My absence has been due to a new job that i have been blessed with and I've not had much time to really sit down and compile a response. Please bear with me while i get ready for college and get settled in. I promise that I'l post more when i'm able. I say this because I know many of you are praying for me, or wondering where I've gone. Just an update. God Bless

Well, I am pretty sure I am wasting my time but here goes.  Hitler wanted to create a blonde hair blue eyed population of humans.  Both of those are recessive homozygous traits, meaning that they are each the expression of 2 recessive genes being paired together.  In any pairing of genes there can be three solutions: 2 dominant genes, 1 dom and 1 rec, or 2 rec.  Dominant is always expressed over recessive.  Brown hair and brown eyes are dominant.  So if you breed 2 people with brown hair and brown eyes you can have a blonde haired blue eyed child because both of the parents could have  been  carrying  both genes but only expressing the brown ones because they are dominant.  Now that that is out of the way on to selection.  If we select against the dominant i.e. shoot all people with brown hair or brown eyes, all we will have left will be blue eyed blonde haired  people.  Their children will be blonde haired and blue eyed forever and on and on. Now if we do the reverse and shoot all the blonde hair blue eyed people we will be left with only brown haired brown eyed people but some of their children will always have blonde hair or blue eyes because the gene was hidden as it was paired with the dominant.   But they will become less and less frequent and it is virtually impossible to remove from the gene pool, but will become very rare.  

understand now?