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Here are two websites that all of you guys should be reading.  They are both very long, but extremely informative.  This has been going on for 10 years now, without our knowledge.  Ever wonder why so many people are sick?  Well, read and THINK about it.

http://www.truefoodnow.org/home_whatis.html

http://www.colostate.edu/programs/lifesciences/TransgenicCrops/current.html

Grace and peace,
cris

Anyone yet?

Oh Goodie!  I didn't see anything in there about original recipe  ;D

Grace and Peace!

What's your point?  I didn't think what you said was funny.  This is a most serious issue that can't be ignored. You're minimizing a globally potentially irreversible situation.  Right now, there is an "autism" epidemic.  We have children who are 10 years old who have been fed nothing but genetically altered food.  We're going to create a race of non-humans if it doesn't stop.  Our soil is now contaminated with this stuff.  It's blowing in the air.  Most serious, indeed.

Reference original recipe, the cancerous part of the chicken is removed and you're eating the rest of it.  

In light of your study on America at the Crossroads, your attitude is like those you wrote about.  I'm stunned 2T.

Grace and peace,
cris

I don't know, the Transgenic food can be the answer to the worlds hunger problems! I think these articles blow things WAY out of proportion. They don't talk about the millions of people these crops feed at all. They are having trouble getting food as it is! Are we just going to let them die because of a few hippies think this may be dangerous?

Tibby,

You need to do some more investigation on this subject.  This is not the food our Creator made for us.  The cells in our body respond to our Creator's food.  We're going to change who we are (future generations).  The government hid this information from us.  They didn't require these foods to be labeled.  Food is wasted.  There's enough to feed everyone without altering it.  It's politics that's starving people. The alteration is a means to make more money, not to feed the hungry.

Grace and peace,
cris

While I do not argue your political statements, you statements about God creation are a little off. God gave us the fruit of the Earth, yes, but he also gave us a brains, to work and make better foods. Your "God made it, so it is better" idology is the same theory Potheads use to defend their use of Herb smoke. THe COmptuer is not naturally, is it? We can't grow and pick circuitboardfs, but we have no problem using it. Sounds like you've done plent investigation on this subject yourself, now you jsut need to go think it over somemore.

Yes Tibby, I have investigated this issue.  It is not I who needs to do more thinking.  My eyes have been opened.  I am not blinded to what's going on.  One cannot make an analogy of transgenic food to computers or, for that matter, any object.  We are made in the image and likeness of God.  Man is corrupting the soil of the earth (with transgenic crops) that God gave us to take care of.  No one can make better crops than our heavenly Father.  He knows what our needs are and they aren't man-made.

Grace and peace,
cris



   

The autism "epidemic" started before transgenic foods were wide spread enough to be a major factor. There is no positively known cause for autism. There are those that think that childhood innoculations are the cause of autism, ADHD, ADD and other such ailments but then again there is still no definite proof to this either.

Autism is currently epidemic.  Autism has been around for awhile, but it has never been epidemic, till now.

As for the innoculations, I know all about this also, and have no doubt of the contribution they make to a host of maladies we have today.  If you're interested, I'll give you a website on vaccinations (if I still have it).

Grace and peace,
cris

No need to. I have already thoroughly investigated it as it is one of the beliefs that is the cause of the Gulf War illness which I have. Even though advocates of these theories are quite convinced there is no definitive proof.

The problem with any of these things is that it cannot be proven and it cannot be disproved. It is just like some of the natural foods have been blamed for various ailments and then years later these same people say no it isn't that it is something else.

Another thing that is blamed is that natural foods do not have the vitamin/mineral content that they used to have because of depletion of the soils.

We also keep hearing "this food causes cancer" (which are naturally grown foods). With another food being added to that list each year just to have another group come out years later denouncing that fact.

One of the reasons some of these "things" aren't proved is because of "lawsuits".

On your "natural foods" comment-------------natural is not the same as organic.  You are correct when you say some of our soil is depleted of vital minerals/vitamins, hence, that absence in the crop.  For example, NE Ohio has the highest rate of cancer (or, at least they did awhile back) and the lowest amount of selenium in their soil.  N. or S. Dakota has the lowest rate of cancer and the highest amount of selenium in their soil.

I have no idea where you ever heard that an organic food causes cancer.  You've been misinformed.  Organic food does not cause any disease.  

Grace and peace,
cris

 

Pastor Roger,

I just found something that might be of interest to you.

http://educate-yourself.org/ed/

This will take you to the "Emerging Diseases" page.  There are many more pages of reading, also.

So sorry to hear you are affected by the GWS.  If I can be of any help, let me know.

Grace and peace,
cris

What I was talking about was that at one time natural (or organic foods as you refer) were at one time listed as cancer causing and then they came out and said it wasn't the food but rather the manner in which it was processed. We all have heard that certain additives can cause cancer but one of these processes included just cooking it in too high of a heat without any additives.

My brothers, sisters and I were raised on naturally grown foods. My Dad raised his own using all natural products with no chemical assistance of any sort. It did not lesson our childhood or adult illnesses. 85% of our food consisted of fruits and vegetables. We had very little meat and what we did eat consisted mostly of fish and chicken we raised ourselves. My parents both died of heart ailments and everyone of us kids (8 of us) all have high blood pressure and/or problems with Cholesterol. In fact my younger brother first had his problem at age 15.

My point is ..... no matter what you eat or don't eat we all are going to have problems in this world. A person can get so consummed with this sort of thing that they tend to start overlooking the things that are really important.

Your eyes are opened? Ok, then open ours, please. You gave us a few articles, but the main focus of them was the increased USE of genetic food. It never shows us an Scientific data saying they where bad for humans.

You can say "It is bad because it isn't natural" all you want. This Frankenstein argument is ok, but it has a few fallacies. As I said before, just because it is made by God doesn't make it good. You are using the same debate marijuana users use. God made Poison Ivy, but I'm not about to touch that. God did not make the car, but that doesn’t keep me from using one. Your argument is good, but it has to many holes to hold any water. What I need is a Scientific study done in a lab. I want to see them feed natural foods to some mice and Transgenic Foods to others, I want to see what the outcome of that is before I just on your boat.

Tibby,

I've given you enough information.  You can go to your "search" window and type in GMO foods, Genetically Engineered Food, Transgenetic food, etc.  There's loads of information for someone who wants to know the truth.
Yes, you are correct when you say just because God made it doesn't make it good, partially.  Everything God made has a purpose, including poision ivy.  It's when man mis-uses what God has created that it becomes a problem.  We are mis-using just about everything He created.  I'm not going to list all of them.

The one website I gave you showed what happend to some mice that were given transgenic food-------they died.  If I've given you the wrong one, I'm sorry.  It's out there on the net, somewhere.

If you want scientific study, keep checking for it.  You'll find it.  I'm not going to do that searching for you.  If you have a desire, fine, if not, that's fine, too.  The only thing I'm doing is planting a seed, so to speak.  The rest is up to you to come to the truth.

The gov. is behind food alteration and they've hidden it from us for 10 years.  Doesn't that tell you something?

Grace and peace,
cris

PR,

No organic food was ever listed as cancer causing.  Yes, the preparation of some foods (high heat)were touted as possibly causing cancer.  We are supposed to be eating fruits and vegetables in their raw form.  Cooking causes them to lose their enzymes.  We all like cooked food so we are supposed to be supplementing with enzymes.

Cholesterol isn't a problem but we've been told that it is, however, the ratio of LDL to HDL must be balanced.  It's the high levels of homocysteine(sp) and Lipo protein A and C reactive protein that causes heart attacks.  Also, the cholesterol lowering drugs being given cause a delpetion of COQ10 and that is causing heart attacks.  Watch, very soon on the cho. drugs given will be a note about what it does to COQ10.  It took a lot of work from a certain person to get the truth printed on the prescription bottle.

Now, about all of your family being raised on a farm, etc. some families have faulty genes to begin with and no anything (at the present time) can change that.  I didn't live at your house and I don't know exactly went on.  Processed foods have been available since, I think, the late 1800's.  It appears
(from what I've read) we need beef in our diets (protein).

Pastor Roger, you said you feel that no matter what one eats they are going to have problems.  This is extremely negative.  The problems that we'll have won't be coming from wrong eating.

Grace and peace,
cris

I'll look it up next chance I get. You did bring the topic up, but if you do not feel like debating this topic, I can understand.

Just because the Government tried to hide it doesn't make it bad.

cris, I am sorry you found my comments offensive....but I think you said it best in your last post.


To this I will say Amen!

Grace and Peace!

To this I also say Amen.

Just in case I didn't make myself clear....................

If we eat organic foods (the way God intended), then the problems we'll encounter won't be coming from eating processed or altered food.

Grace and peace,
cris

"Was there ever a time when common sense was common?"

"Just because the government tried to hide it doesn't make it bad."

"Was there ever a time when common sense was common?"


Yes, I initiated the subject to inform my Christian brothers who are ignorant of it.  I did it out of love, not for debate.

Grace and peace,
cris

 

OK. Where to start. I HAVE done much research in these areas that have been brought up. I myself buy nothing but certified organic. Reason? The food has up to 30% more nutrients than their genetically altered counterparts.

Also, despite what claims you may have heard, (CONSIDER THE SOURCE!), foods treated with pesticides and herbicides contain considerable residue.

Next one - vaccinations. So you say you can't prove they are at fault? then provide me scientifc proof that vaccinations work!! And, I might add, scientific studies sponsored by pharmacuetical companies are disqualified.

Lastly, the cholestrol thing. I wa diagnosed with high cholestrol. Doc gave me a drug called Lipitor. I actually DO read those disclaimers, and found out the side effects - especially the shutting down of the body's production of ubiquinone (CoQ10).

Needless to say, I turned to a natural alternative with great success. First, high mega-doses of vitamin B3 (niacin) lowers your cholestrol quickly. Now, I eat flax seeds, supplemented with fish oils from salmon, sardines, mackerel, and tuna. This balances the very high omega 3 content in the flax seeds, with omega 6 in the fish.

It's not that surprising how God created things with such balance to keep us healthy.

In summary, I don't particularly like the way mankind has resorted to chemical food and chemical medicine. I think there is some real dangers here, especially when so many doctors mis-prescribe their patients. In fact, did you know that this mis-prescribing is now the 2nd leading killer of Americans?

One final little tidbit - the Greek word pharmacia, where we get our word pharmacy from, is translated sorcery in the Bible.

I don’t  believe that, Cris. You kept bumping the post, and then, you jump all over the first post who replied, it looks me like you where looking for some kind of attention with this post.

Are you trying to say the Government only hides bad things from us? ::)

Halleiujah---------------Prase the Lord!!!
I needn't say another word.....................but I will. ;D

Thanks for a confirmation of the truth ZakDar!  Wish I could have written as eloquently as you did.  God bless you.  He is. ;)

Grace and peace,
cris

1.  You have a choice to believe anything you choose!
2.  I have no idea what bumping the post means.  If you're    
     referring to what I said to 2T, it was between the two of
     us.  He apologized for being offensive.
3.  I don't need negative attention.  
4.  When it comes to food labeling, we, the citizens,    
     have a right to know what's in the food we're eating.  The
     gov. has been hiding it from us for 10 years.
5.  I posted information on transgenic food out of love for my  
     brothers who were ignorant of what is going on.  

Grace and peace,
cris

   

 

Ok, thats good enough for me.

Cris,

I do not agrue that genetically altered anything is against Gods plan .... at least to the extent that scientists are taking them. I had heard that they had put a spider gene into sheep. It had something to do with making the wool different, perhaps stronger or something. Whether it is foods or whatever else it is dangerous to mess with Gods creations in such a manner. After all how can fallible man improve on the perfect creations of God, he can't. Man will usually just make things less perfect and thereby cause himself more problems.

I am just not so sure about the part of the govnt purposefully hiding it from us for evil purposes. I hear these conspiracy type theories all the time and most of them just are not true. I would believe that the govn't was ignorant in what they were doing which is quite often the case with scientists and it does take them a long time to admit that they are wrong on anything. Look at the example of evolution and how long it has been. Scientists (some of them anyway) are just now willing to admit the falacies of that.

 

 

PR,

I understand how you feel about the gov.  Unfortunately it's a little naive and certainly disappointing, but it's true.  I've been into this "stuff" more years than I can count.  The fed's have raided alternative Doc's offices more times than you are aware of.  They've been called quacks and everything else you can think of. The gov. wants to discredit them but the Doc's patients have testimonies. These Doc's (a lot of them Christian) were not doing anything wrong, except helping people get healed without the help of pharmaceuticals.

May our Father, Creator of heaven and earth, through His son Jesus Christ give you wisdom and healing--------you and your family.  Amen

Grace and peace,
cris



 

Only because I like you, Cris:

http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html (http://www.storewars.org/flash/index.html)

While the gov't may be a target for criticism in this area, I do not believe it's the source of this evil. You see, back in the early 1900s, Rockefeller BOUGHT the AMA. Yup, just whipped out his stash and bought the agency that now determines whether or not you can practice medicine.

After buying the AMA, a fellow by the name of Morris Fishbein was inserted to run this org. Mr. Fishbein was anything but honorable. He would chase down "quacks", and use strong-arm tactics, and outright lies to discredit someone practicing medicine.

One example you can research is the saga of Raymond Royal Rife. He invented a machine that destroyed every pathogen it came up against. He even, (under supervision from respected doctors), cured 16 terminal cancer patients with his machine in a test.

Unfortunately for Mr. Rife, he wouldn't sell his machine to Fishbein. So Mr. Fishbein waged a dastardly campaign theat left Mr. Rife in extreme failing health, both mental and physical.

Some coincidences to examine include education. At the time Rockefeller bought the AMA, there were several dozen schools of "alternative" medicine, (although they weren't so "alternative" at that time). But after the AMA gained gov't sanctioning control, all these schools disappeared. Rockefeller tried this tactic in England also, but because the royal family uses homeopathic doctors exclusively, (and for hundreds of years), Rockefeller lost in his attempt to gain a monopoly in England. The royals wouldn't stand for it.

There's a ton of material to examine out there in this subject so I'll leave to Google for it if you're interested. Just keep a thought in mind next time you have to go to a doctor. Examine in extreme detail that drug that's being prescribed. Also, as an alternative, why not take the diagnosis to a naturapathic or homeopathic practitioner for safer treatment?

Hey there, hi there, Zak,

I agree with your post and know about Royal Rife.  One thing though, about the government not being the source, was your statement at the end of the post, "but after the AMA gained government sanctioning control".  They're all in bed together, including the pharmaceuticals.  As far as I'm concerned, they are all one big organization now.  They prey on the ignorance of the people.

Keep these posts coming.  They're excellent!  Hope others will do some research for themselves.

Thanks again.

Grace and peace,
cris

   

Hi Cris,

  I appreciate your post. I  watch out very carefully for GMO's in food. I buy only organic vegetables and free range beef & Chicken. This site  has a lot of information on pharma ect.  the study of diet and nutrition  as well as pharma is very important to me. There is a lot of greed in this world. We need to be awake, otherwise we will be led as sheep to slaughter. Thanx as well to Zak for your input as well. Oh and Tibby I loved the store wars link I put in on my favorites list!!
May God give us all the wisdom to discern what is harmful in this wicked generation. oh heres the link: http://www.bolenreport.com/

How long did they keep you in the bottom of that shopping cart, Tibby? ;D ;D ;D :-X

Grace and peace,
cris

PS---------I have also put "Store Wars" in my favorites.  That was just incredible-----------I loved it.  Thanks again!

Hello Jesusinme,

Thank you for that link.  I went there briefly, but will take the time to read it.  Am familiar with some of the names already, but I'm sure you probably knew that ;).

I appreciate your input, too, and agree with your post, 'cause it's all true.

Keep on keepin' on! :P  God's people have got to know what's going on.  Remember He said, "My people perish because of a lack of knowledge."  We're all in a war!

Grace and peace,
cris

Actually it's more of a back-scratching relationship. Gov't wants rockefeller's money, and Rockefeller wants a monopoly. Really though, in Rockefeller's case, they want ruling command and still seek to achieve it. However, other powers-that-be wouldn't stand for a Rockefeller president, and neither will Americans. But that doesn't stop them from trying to gain that post. They truly do want to rule, and rule with an iron fist. That's why they buy gov't, media, medicine, and of course, their cash cow, oil. Ever wonder why the internal combustion engine hasn't been replaced yet? And I guarantee you it's not because there isn't any alternatives!