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This is interesting:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44495 (http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44495)
Regardless of this story, what do YOU think the impact of finding the Ark of the Covenant might be?

Depends who what they find. Wouldn't it be interesting to find a non-decayed golden box with everything inside, and every one who touches it gets deathly ill? The would HAVE to accept that part of the bible as true!

Actually, they would no doubt blame it on some kind of endospore. ::) Fine, don't beleive the bible, see if God heals your "mysterous illness" :P

From a Christian point of view, the ark has been reduced to an interesting relic.  The Spirit lives in each of us, as opposed to the ark.  So there will be no “divine power” found.  But the political implications – I would think the Jews would want to rebuild the temple to allow a resting place for the uncovered treasure.  
It’s a big story - there have been novels written on the subject.  If the ark is found, things will get pretty interesting.  Right off the bat, the media will do everything they can to discredit it as a non-story:  “It is, after all, just a ‘religious thing’ and one little relic from the Bible certainly wouldn’t make the whole book true…”  
I hope its found, if for no other reason, to watch the liberal spin and catch agnostic reaction.  It would also be pretty cool if Noah’s Ark was found.  

Didn't read the article yet.  The Ethiopian Christians claim they have the Ark of the Covenant and it's being, and has been guarded 24/7.

Grace and peace,
cris

Good question!  The answer is, I don't know  :D

Its not hard to imagine what the Jews will take it to mean!    ;)

I wouldn't put much stock in what the Ethiopian church has to say. They claim they have the only correct version of the Bible, and they consort with Rastafarians a lot, and hold a lot of the same views.


I don't know, Judgenot, I don't see how having the power in us reduses it in the ark in any way. God does not have a limited amount of power to spead, I doubt he would have any problem keeping the power in the ark, while still giving us all the power we need.

The boys Creation evidence museum claim to have found the Ark from Satellite images. Soime say it is a hoax, but who knows.

I think this is one "mystery" that's been solved  ;D

Rev 11:19 And the temple of God was opened in heaven, and there was seen in his temple the ark of his testament: and there were lightnings, and voices, and thunderings, and an earthquake, and great hail.

This post was deleted due to personal attacks.
These claims may or may not be true, however, the person is not here to defend himself, and this type of attack could lead to legal issues.

Moderator

Since when has the reporting of first hand, eye-witness facts become illegal. It is the passing on of second hand facts that constitute slander.

I know the location where he is digging. I helped map the area with a theodilite ( a laser used in surveying).

Vendyl Jones, doesn't hide his 33rd degree Masonic involvement. Ask his website moderator!!

Vendyl Jones doesn't dispute the fact that he uses occult divination to locate hidden buried objects. I have heard his personal explanation as to why he believes this. Ask his webmaster!!

Everyone else on this forum is invovled in speculation. It is rank hypocrisy that permits YOU to suggest he may be a Satanist and yet deny me to supply this forum with facts which can be easily validated.

I know Vendyl Jones and have had close personal involvment.  ???

Irregardless of Jones character or religious beliefs, it is possible that he may be on to something here. The ark is supposed to be recovered in the end times and it will be whether it is Jew, Christian or a Satanists that does so.

Jones has now claimed that he will be revealing the location of the ark on August 14, 2005.

Also take note of where he claims it is located.



The late Ron Wyatt also claimed to have seen the Ark of the Covenant in a cave whose passageway led from the Temple Mount .

Following post made by tabitha was deleted by mistake, I am very sorry tabitha.



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This is interesting:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=44495
Regardless of this story, what do YOU think the impact of finding the Ark of the Covenant might be?

Finding the Ark would give a bit more hardcore proof to what we've been saying all along and could bring more people to  question the truth regarding the whole 'religious beliefs are relative and equally valid' mindframe. And going alone with what Pastor Roger said, it should be a clue to we Christians to get ready because the world is about to come to a messy end. Besides, seeing any object that is personally designed by God is fairly spiffy.
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There are two kinds of people: those who say to God, "Thy will be done," and those to whom God says, "All right, then, have it your way."
C. S. Lewis

     Why did the Jews build the first temple? To give a permanent house for the ark. What is in the ark? The ten commandments (the law). Grace and the law are opposed to each other. Both can not exist at the same time. If the ark is found the law will soon be coming back into effect as soon as the age of grace ends with the Rapture of the church.

     If the ark is found the temple will be rebuilt. The finding of the ark could be the cause for rebuilding of the temple. The temple was the house of the ark!

     When the time is right in God's eyes, the temple will be rebuilt.  The age of Grace is coming to an end and the law will be back in effect for the 70th week of Daniel just as The Law was in effect during the first 69 weeks of Daniel.

     The newly elected Sanhedrin in Israel is taking bids for rebuilding the temple. I'm not a date setter but I can read the writing on the wall...

    I wonder if Vendyl Jones is stupid enough to repeat the mistake made by Geraldo Rivera with Al Capones vault, or could Vendyl have already made the discovery and now he's planning on the dramatic revealing to the world.

    We'll know in 2 weeks, on August 14th.

    If the ark is found, the False Prophet and Antichrist won't be far behind. If the ark is to be discovered the Rapture of the church may be closer than you think.

    All of mans little plans would be altered if the Ark was discovered. We can kiss the middle east peace process goodbye until Antichrist comes on the scene if the Ark is discovered. Its almost to perfect or is it the perfect plan of God?

    The ark will be discovered when God allows it to be discovered and not until God allows it.

    I have a question... Could a true Christian touch the ark and live? Consider that a true Christian is considered justified by faith in Christ and righteous by the blood of Christ. The penalty of the law was paid by Christ on the cross. This is just a question I have pondered.

     Then again, It is written, thou shall not put the Lord, thy God to the test.
                                                         Paul2 8)



     

Hi, Paul2. Its great to see you again.

I am not sure if Dr Jones has confirmed the location yet. He is going on information based on a copper scroll found in Qumran. With the use of this scroll he has already located numerous other artifacts pertinent to worship in the temple. One of these items is 900 lbs of a special incense. Enough for at least one years worth. The other find was the Holy Anointing Oil.

August 14th is the day to watch.

I know where the location is! I helped him survey the area. It is at the entrance (or just inside) to the Cave of Columns about 3/4 of a mile from the Qumran tourist center at the site of the discovery of the Dead Sea Scroll. The Essene ruins. It is about halfway between the Copper Scroll cave and the Qumran visitors center. You cna't miss it. It can be seen twenty miles away as an ugly scar of debris flowing out of the Dead Sea escarpment.

I have been to the entrace to the cavern system in Zedikiah's cavern under the Temple Mount. The hidden entrance is located on a waist-high shelf in the "Masonic Hall" which is the lowest chamber of Zedikiah's cavern. This is where the Masons hold their deepest initiation rites. Interestingly enough it is the closest one can get to the former location of the Holy of Holies and still remain in total darkness.

Vendyl Jones is no Christian and he certainly shouldn't be encouraged.

Attacking Jones character or religious beliefs is not going to change anything. If it is meant for his group to find it then they will find it. If God doesn't want it found now, then Jones is simply wasting his time.

God has used many people, including non-christians, to bring about his will. All hate and animosity for him should be set aside in this matter and wait to see what God is going to do.

August 14th will reveal that to us.

There is no animosity or hate in my communication. Just facts. Vendyl is a false prophet by scriptural definitions. He is always proclaiming the future and being wrong in his predictions. His critics have filled books with examples of this. He is an apostate. This is NOT a personal attack, it is a scriptural discernement meant to protect the people of God from ensnarement.

I am pointing out to the many Christian believers that are "ensnared" by his lies NOT to support or place any credibility in his spurious claims.

Yes, God does accomplish his purposes by using evil, as seen in the statement, "My servant Nebuchadnezzar". That doens't mean we take joy in its execution as you seem to be doing. you seem to be saying, "Let evil come that Christ may come." Instead Christ taught us to pray, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done . . . deliver us from evil." Please don't allow end times speculation to cause believers to develop an interst in this false prophet.

 My friend, as I said, "These claims may or may not be true"
It's fair to say he's a false prophet, but you went much farther than that. For you to claim these are not personal attacks is a bit disingenuous. You have said you know him "personally" and you display an angry disposition towards the man in every post you have placed here in your brief time on this site. It does appear that you have personal issues with the man. This may or may not be warranted. The point is that this site is not intended for angry or slanderous intentions. If you have information to add on any topic, then please offer it.

 You don't have to keep ramming home your feelings towards this man. You actually double posted the same message. Once on this thread, and once on another thread. That isn't necessary, and it makes you appear to have an agenda, or a person issue with the man.

You stated "I am pointing out to the many Christian believers that are "ensnared" by his lies NOT to support or place any credibility in his spurious claims" and that is fair, but let's not get single minded about it my friend.

 This has led to more angry assertions from you, such as when you said... "That doesn’t mean we take joy in its execution as you seem to be doing [/b]." and ... "you seem to be saying, "Let evil come that Christ may come." Instead Christ taught us to pray, "Thy kingdom come, thy will be done . . . deliver us from evil." Please don't allow end times speculation to cause believers to develop an interst in this false prophet."

 These types of hyperbolic statements make you come across as an angry person. There is no need to have such an attitude here my friend.

Let's take a deep breath and start over.
You are welcome here my friend, but if you are only going to cause trouble and have an attitude, then why bother?

 You could have simply accepted the explanation, and continued to post on any and all other topics.

 Take care.


Moderator

OK. A deep breath and let's start over. Forgive me for coming across angry. That is not my intent.  :)

How would you suggest that the information be posted? ???

I was placed under house arrest because of Vendyls actions and I don't want any other believer in our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ to suffer a similar fate.

 My friend. You made your point quite clear in relation to Vendyl. I can understand your feelings toward the man, especially having been placed under house arrest because of him. Nobody here is trying to control what gets posted. We have a job to do as moderators; we have a responsibility toward other posters and to the ADMIN. This task sometimes makes us unpopular, and even the target of attacks.

 Most people here are unaware that moderators on this forum have had their computers attacked by hackers and viruses. It's an ongoing battle. We get angry e-mail, we get angry posts directed toward us. We are not here to cause people problems or take sides. We made a commitment to the ADMIN to uphold the rules and standards of this Christian forum, and we take that responsibility seriously.

 All I'm saying is try to keep your posts as friendly as possible. If you come across a false prophet, then by all means let us know, but you don't have to make it the sole content of your posts. You come across as an intelligent person who is a faithful Christian. I'm sure you have some very valuable contributions to offer, and I look forward to hearing from you my friend.

 Our job (moderator) is a difficult one, please try and appreciate that.

 I'd love to hear about your experiences in the field.

Take care my friend.

actsacts,

I am sorry if I came across as supporting Dr Jones. That was not my intent nor was it the intent of anyone here. The finding of the Ark is an important event to many believers as is any archaeological find that relates to Bible history.

I do not support or deny the late Ron Wyatt either but I do find some of his theories and supposed findings quite interesting. I personally am intrigued both with Biblical history as well as prophecy.

As for the end times ..... The Lord tells us it is going to happen .....  not a maybe but a fact. When that time will be is totally up to God and no man will know the time but it is an inevitable occurrence because God does not lie.

I do look forward to the time that the Lord comes for it will be a wonderful time indeed. Whether that time comes today or whether it comes hundreds of years from now I am ready for that time and gladly accept its coming.

       The temple being rebuilt brings the Antichrist to power. At the mid week of Daniel's 70th week Antichrist will set up the abomination which causes desolation at the temple.

       Knowing the destiny of the temple, it really doesn't matter to me who finds the ark, just that its found. The Church can not remain on the earth when Daniel's 70th week begins.

     Without Adolf Hitler would Israel have been reborn in 1948? He was the personification of evil but also was directly responcible for Israel's existance. God used the evil of Adolf Hitler for His good purpose of re-establishing national Israel. God can use the man Vendyl Jones although the man is a heritic. If Vendyl does find the Ark the man will enter the Great Tribulation. The Temple brings Antichrist. Knowing this why should we be surprized that a False Prophet might discover the Ark?

    I know that from the time of the making of the 7 year treaty (which starts the 70th week of Daniel), there are exactly 2,520 days until the Second Coming of Christ. I know that 1,260 days after the 70th week begins with the making of the 7 year covenant Antichrist will come to full power for the remaining 42 months. I know what is coming if the ark is found...  For the Church the Rapture is immenent. For those left behind unspeakable horrors followed by the return of Christ at the Second Coming.

     To get to the Second Coming the Great Tribulation must come first. I'm sorry that the non Christian world must endure the wrath of God but not sorry enough to want to postpone it.

     If it takes a False Prophet like Vendyl Jones to find the Ark, then dig Vendyl dig! I want the will of God to be fulfilled. It is God's will that the temple be rebuilt and that the Antichrist will come to full power at the temple at the midweek of the 70th week. It is God who will send delusions to mankind so that they will believe the lies of Antichrist. This is the wrath of God. When God is directly blinding men from the truth the wrath of God has begun.

     Vendyl Jones will have his day of judgment just as every person who has ever lived will be judged. He may be allowed to find the Ark but at the price of his eternal soul.

    If the Ark is found on August 14 it won't be a "good" day for the non Christian world but a day that brings the Antichrist closer. At the same time God's will is for the Great Tribulation to take place so God's will shall be done.

    The Ark will bring war not peace but it also will hasten the return of Christ at the Second Coming.

    God has the unique ability to use the evil of men for His Good purpose, this is nothing new, the Bible is loaded with example of evil men accomplishing the will of God although their methods are evil. Vendyl Jones may just be the man who brings the Antichrist onto the world scene.

     Jerusalem will erupt if the Ark is found, all Hell will break loose. The world will never be the same if the Ark is found. It may be God's sense of humor... We remove the ten commandments from our courthouses and all of a sudden the box holding the ten commandments is found and takes center stage across the world. Wouldn't surprize me at all.

                                                           Paul2 8)

       

AMEN Brother!

Your post is 100% right Paul! I couldn't say it any better!

Praying that all, may find the Grace, and peace of God.
Bob

Isaiah 12:5 Sing praises to the Lord, for He has done excellent things [gloriously]; let this be made known to all the earth.

[quote author=Paul2   .......
     When the time is right in God's eyes, the temple will be rebuilt.  The age of Grace is coming to an end and the law will be back in effect for the 70th week of Daniel just as The Law was in effect during the first 69 weeks of Daniel.

     The newly elected Sanhedrin in Israel is taking bids for rebuilding the temple. I'm not a date setter but I can read the writing on the wall...
....
    We'll know in 2 weeks, on August 14th.

    If the ark is found, the False Prophet and Antichrist won't be far behind. If the ark is to be discovered the Rapture of the church may be closer than you think........  
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This is quite the interesting thread.If this does happen now,speculating of course;could it be that what some are saying,that believe in the pre-trib rapture;that the rapture could happen on the day of Rosh-Hashanah,Oct.4th?

Only God knows the real day.

The little 'ark'  baby Moses was in was a type of Christ
the Ark in the temple was a type of Christ
the ark of Naoh was a type of Christ.

These are all man made symbels. God sent us His true  Ark the real one the one that matters and mans still want to find an idol.

Reba,

I understand what you are saying. There are those that will worship the ark or think that they need it in order to worship God. For those of us that know better and worship the true Jesus Christ we know the importance of the ark to the fullfillment of prophecy in the Bible to the end times.

hi i am new to this forum and it looks good to me. what news is the best to look on this sunday re: the ark of the covenant.

Hi monkey. Welcome to Christians Unite.

I simply do a google news search for "ark of the covenant". If there is anything in the news anywhere then it should show up on that.

I found this article interesting even though I don't believe the "Bible Code" holds any water.



The Race For The Lost Ark
Posted 8/3/2005
By Dvora Waysman

Thousands of people saw the movie "Raiders of the Lost Ark", and most of them knew that Indiana Jones was based on a real person, famous archaeologist Dr. Vendyl Jones. Less well-known is another charismatic contender, who believes he will be the first to uncover the hiding place of this fabulous prize. He was recently in Jerusalem, and his name is Lt. Barry S. Roffman of the U.S. Coast Guard.

Roffman is basing his search on the Bible Code ... a code encrypted in the Bible some 3,000 years ago, now unlocked by computer. The mathematician who discovered the code was Dr. Eliyahu Rips, one of the world`s leading experts in group theory, the field that underlies quantum physics. Jones is basing his research on the Talmud. Once a Christian pastor, he left his post to become a leader of the Noahide movement, Gentiles who observe the seven laws of Noah. His search is aided by an ancient document found in Qumran together with the Dead Sea Scrolls, known as the "Copper Scroll." He is convinced that he has pinpointed the ark`s location. (Vendyljones.org.il/copperscroll). For Roffman`s research, you can hear a 30 minute radio broadcast by accessing www.biblecodenews.com

In the case of Vendyl Jones, he plans to uncover the lost Ark of the Covenant by Tisha b`Av. It was the resting place of the Ten Commandments, given to the Jews at Mt. Sinai and supposedly hidden just before the First Temple was destroyed. Although the Talmud says the Ark is hidden under the Temple Mount, Jones believes the tunnel continues 18 miles to the south and is now in the Judean Desert. Jones is not Jewish, although his daughter Sarah has converted and lives in Samaria (Shomron). However, he is learned in Torah and Talmud and has contact with a mysterious kabbalist who has now given him his blessing to reveal the Ark by Tisha B`Av (August 14th), the anniversary of the destruction of both the First and Second Temples.

But Jones is not alone in his search. Barry Roffman, an Orthodox Jew and a Lieutenant in the U.S. Coast Guard and author of Ark Code, (www.amazon.com ) believes that the Torah codes he has discovered can unlock the secret of the Ark`s location, and his findings are very different from those of Vendyl Jones. According to Roffman, there are maps encoded in the Torah. Key site names are encoded in such a way that the angles between Jerusalem, Arabic sites and a suspect Egyptian Ark site correspond to actual course headings on real world maps. The site, which he describes as 31 degrees 9 minutes North, 33 degrees 4 minutes East, is where a cloud of fire blocked the Egyptian army from the Israelites before we crossed the Sea of Reeds (Yam Suf) at Lake Bardawil in Northern Sinai, Egypt. He cites Jeremiah as the last prophet to control the Ark before finishing his life in that area of Egypt. Roffman`s research is unique, quite different from methods used by other Bible code researchers. It is rooted in his expertise as a Coast Guard military planner. He has explanations as to why Jeremiah took the Ark to the site of the splitting of the sea, and believes that the Ark`s purpose is to prevent a nuclear war between Israel and its enemies.

Barry Roffman was born in 1947 in Philadelphia and now lives in California with his second wife, Katherine Kim Roffman and their young son David. He has a distinguished Navy background, and was also a high school teacher of earth science, biology, chemistry and physical science. In 1989, his book, A Matter of Spiritual Custody, dealt with an interfaith child custody battle in which the Catholic Church, possibly for the first and only time, annulled his older son`s baptism on a ruling by Edward A. McCarthy, Archbishop of Miami, on the grounds that it was carried out without the father`s knowledge or consent when the boy was seven and considered himself to be Jewish. Today, that son, Robert Altair Roffman, is an Orthodox Rabbi in the U.S. Air Force.

So now, the world is waiting with bated breath. Will it be Jones or Roffman who finds the Ark of the Covenant? Will it be found in Israel or in Egypt? Will it be discovered by means of ground-penetrating radar?

What will be the religious, political and scientific implications and ramifications if it is found? And what else can we learn of the future from the words encrypted in the Bible codes or the secrets of the Talmud? We may not have long to wait. The Nobel Laureate physicist, Richard Feynman, put it this way:

"To solve any problem that has never been solved before, you have to leave the door to the unknown, ajar."

Dvora Waysman is a writer living in Jerusalem. She is the author of nine books, including Woman of Jerusalem; Esther and newly-released in paperback in English and Hebrew by Chaim Mazo Publishers The Pomegranate Pendant. She can be reached at ways@netvision.net.il or website: www.dvorawaysman.com

      Knowing that finding the Ark of the Covenant will change the destiny of nations, in a move of severe desperation could a replica Ark be passed off as the real thing?

     Nobody would be allowed to conduct studies on it and not many people would have the courage to touch it.

     I'm sure somebody has considered presenting a replica ark to the world until the real one can be located.

     Imagine being Vendyl Jones. He is convinced finding the ark of the covenant will change the fate of Israel. He must have said to himself many times "I can change everything if I can just find the Ark." Could a man like this justify tricking the world with a replica Ark if he thought that he was "saving" Israel?

      I know that the temple will be rebuilt and that the Antichrist will set up the abomination that causes desolation in the rebuilt temple at the middle of Daniel's 70th week.

      I have always wondered what the Antichrist would do with the true Ark if it was found and housed in the rebuilt temple. A false Ark would not be a problem at all but the real one makes me wonder.

      How far would men go if they are convinced they are "saving" their country from a great mistake?

     Vendyl Jones desires to save Israel but how far is he willing to go? How bad does he desire the fame and how bad does he desire to end the Israeli pullout? Could he convince himself that faking the Ark would save Israel?

     Desperate times call for desperate measures, the question I am asking is how desperate is Vendyl Jones?

     The Antichrist is a liar. The rebuilt temple brings him to world power. Knowing these things makes me wonder...

     I won't be surprized to see an Ark being discovered but I also will wonder if its the real Ark or a fake. One fake golden replica of the ark could change the world. I'm sure I'm not the only person who has considered this. I'm willing to bet Vendyl Jones has pondered this over the years of frustration of not being able to locate the true ark and watching Israel trade away land for peace.

     The time for blindly accepting things at face value has ended. False prophets and false miracles are coming in the future. Those who trust their eyes will be deceived by false miralces the Antichrist and false prophet will perform during second half of Daniel's 70th week.

     I'm not saying the true Ark won't be found but I wouldn't be surprized if in zealous desperation a fake Ark isn't presented to halt the Israeli pullout.

     Something to consider...


                                                          Paul2 8)

Has anyone else noticed how silent the media has been on this subject??

Brothers,

I doubt there will be any coverage at all from the liberal news media. It might also be surprising to find out how many Christians really don't know or don't care what the Ark of the Covenant may represent in end of this age events.

I would also share the concerns of Brother Paul. Regardless of how things fit together, we know that it won't slow or hasten the fulfilment of prophecy by a second.

I don't read it very often, but I have a free access subscription to the Jerusalem Post. There are really some interesting stories there, and they are written from a totally unique perspective. They do have regular stories on the Temple Mount and other topics that relate to end of age.

Love In Christ,
Tom

Psalms 23:6 NASB  Surely goodness and lovingkindness will follow me all the days of my life, And I will dwell in the house of the LORD forever.

I guess it wasn't time yet. ;)

I once read on an archaeologic  website that the Arc of the Covenant was discovered by Ron Wyatt, a christian archaeologist.He also claimed to have found Noah's Arc.
And at Calvary he found some blood of Jesus!!

Can anyone tell me if this is the truth or a hoax?

God bless,


savah >:(

It hasn't been proven as truth or hoax. No one else has been able to see it. Ron Wyatts explanation for that was that he asked God to reveal it to him before he died but that because it wasn't time for it to be revealed to the world that no one else would be able to see it.

We won't know if it is true until they are actually found and revealed to the world.

Thank you Pastor Roger.
Well, hoax or not, I think Ron Wyatt was a sincere christian. :

savah)

Well, the word is out. Vendyl Jones did not find the Ark on Aug 14th. He now claims that he was misquoted on this date. An excerpt from his web site:


So now here we are in the middle of Sept and no updates yet. I wonder what we will hear in Oct on this?

Indiana Jones found, the Ark of the Covenant. So why can't Vendyl Jones? ???  *Snicker* ;D

 :D :D ;D ;D

Because he's not  8) 8) 8) 8) ?